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8人帮第一次在投票上分裂

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b*d2013-06-20 07:06

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rubio分裂了.
rand paul也瞎投了.
The Senate on Thursday rejected Sen. John Cornyn’s (R-Texas) immigration
reform bill amendment that would have put mandatory border security triggers
in place before immigrants were given legal status.
The Senate voted 54-43 to table the amendment, which was seen as crucial to
get more Republican support for the legislation. But Sens. John Hoeven (R-N.
D.) and Bob Corker (R-Tenn.) are expected to release an alternative border
security enforcement amendment later Thursday.
Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) split with his fellow GOP Gang of Eight members by
voting against tabling Cornyn's amendment, while Sens. John McCain (Ariz.),
Lindsey Graham (S.C.), Jeff Flake (Ariz.) voted to kill Cornyn's amendment.
Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) also voted to table the amendment. Democratic Sens.
Joe Manchin (W. Va.) and Mark Pryor (Ark.) voted in support of considering
Cornyn's amendment.
Read more: http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/votes/306823-senate-rejects-cornyn-plan-to-create-a-border-security-trigger#ixzz2Wm9GOazC
Follow us: @thehill on Twitter | TheHill on Facebook

e*s2013-06-20 07:06

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有点意思。

triggers
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【在 b*****d 的大作中提到】

: rubio分裂了.
: rand paul也瞎投了.
: The Senate on Thursday rejected Sen. John Cornyn’s (R-Texas) immigration
: reform bill amendment that would have put mandatory border security triggers
: in place before immigrants were given legal status.
: The Senate voted 54-43 to table the amendment, which was seen as crucial to
: get more Republican support for the legislation. But Sens. John Hoeven (R-N.
: D.) and Bob Corker (R-Tenn.) are expected to release an alternative border
: security enforcement amendment later Thursday.
: Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) split with his fellow GOP Gang of Eight members by

J*A2013-06-20 07:06

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总结一下？

a*a2013-06-20 07:06

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rubio是着眼2016，在意自己的voting record,
rand paul不知道为啥。按理说他也是有意2016的，虽然希望不大。

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【在 b*****d 的大作中提到】

b*d2013-06-20 07:06

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rubio最近压力很大.投这个票给他解解压.
参议员们都是老狐狸,知道已经达成deal了.所以安排投Cornyn amendment.

【在 J*******A 的大作中提到】

: 总结一下？

f*82013-06-20 07:06

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为什么Reid这个老王八蛋对amendments采取不同的杀法：
1. 某些amendment在floor让议员投票，让议员对amendment本身直接投票
2. 某些amendment在floor动议杀掉，然后让议员对自己的动议直接投票，也就是对
amendment本身间接投票
实际上就是因为对于2里面的某些amendment, 如果让议员对amendment本身投票，可能
会通过。比如border security.

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b*d2013-06-20 07:06

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所有的amendment都是要求60票,所以你的1,2没有区别.
之所以table,是不想浪费时间来辩论.
table, motion to - A senator may move to table any pending question. The
motion is not debatable, and agreement to the motion is equivalent to
defeating the question tabled. The motion is used to dispose quickly of
questions the Senate does not wish to consider further.

【在 f*******8 的大作中提到】

: 为什么Reid这个老王八蛋对amendments采取不同的杀法：
: 1. 某些amendment在floor让议员投票，让议员对amendment本身直接投票
: 2. 某些amendment在floor动议杀掉，然后让议员对自己的动议直接投票，也就是对
: amendment本身间接投票
: 实际上就是因为对于2里面的某些amendment, 如果让议员对amendment本身投票，可能
: 会通过。比如border security.
:
: triggers
: to
: N.

a*a2013-06-20 07:06

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motion不用debate, 所以motion to table一般用来cut debate。

【在 f*******8 的大作中提到】

w*l2013-06-20 07:06

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如果是这样，Rubio用不用提前给Gang of Eight的其他成员通个气？

【在 b*****d 的大作中提到】

: rubio最近压力很大.投这个票给他解解压.
: 参议员们都是老狐狸,知道已经达成deal了.所以安排投Cornyn amendment.

b*d2013-06-20 07:06

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纯粹个人猜想,应该是通了气的,8人也算了票数后,给他的pass.

【在 w*l 的大作中提到】

: 如果是这样，Rubio用不用提前给Gang of Eight的其他成员通个气？

b*d2013-06-20 07:06

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But at one point Mr. Rubio huddled with Sen. Charles E. Schumer, the New
York Democrat who’s taken the lead on writing the main bill, and Sen.
Robert Menendez, New Jersey Democrat and another member of the Gang of Eight
, to talk about what Mr. Schumer was overheard calling “the fence thing.”
“He just wants to make sure it’s doable,” Mr. Schumer said.
The deal they are working on reportedly involves doubling the size of the
border patrol and building more fencing along the border before illegal
immigrants get eventual citizenship. They would still get quick temporary
legal status and work permits no matter what.
Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/jun/20/rubio-breaks-gang-eight/#ixzz2WmN8Gd7m
Follow us: @washtimes on Twitter

【在 w*l 的大作中提到】

: 如果是这样，Rubio用不用提前给Gang of Eight的其他成员通个气？

w*l2013-06-20 07:06

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"The deal they are working on reportedly involves doubling the size of the
border patrol and building more fencing along the border before illegal
immigrants get eventual citizenship. They would still get quick temporary
legal status and work permits no matter what."
听起来是个不错的deal：加强了边界，又给citizenship，同时一定程度上是trigger，
只是trig了citizenship。

w*72013-06-20 07:06

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看清楚，新闻里说的是先修篱笆，再给临时身份，而不是先确保边境安全，再给临时身
份。这是一种很低级的障眼法。
修篱笆算个鸟事，跟House想要的trigger差了十万八千里了

【在 w*l 的大作中提到】

: "The deal they are working on reportedly involves doubling the size of the
: border patrol and building more fencing along the border before illegal
: immigrants get eventual citizenship. They would still get quick temporary
: legal status and work permits no matter what."
: 听起来是个不错的deal：加强了边界，又给citizenship，同时一定程度上是trigger，
: 只是trig了citizenship。

t*e2013-06-20 07:06

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现在觉得这些政客不管是人格多卑劣，手段确实是高超，其中的门道多了去了，和只会
码程序的猥琐男们有天壤之别