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找IC工作时，会和CS一样有黑名单一说吗？# EE - 电子工程

s*y2011-02-03 08:02

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明年一月份开始tenure track，今年投出去的两篇文章肯定要明年才能发出来，但是署
名的单位还是老单位。这样发表的文章，将来评tenure时还有用吗？系里的人会不会把
这算作以前的工作而不予考虑？我现在应不应该和编辑说，把所属单位改成将要去的新
学校？谢谢！

c*y2011-02-03 08:02

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夏洛特南边，照顾一个3个月大的孩子和做简单家务。住家或通勤都可以。通勤得自己
负责交通。站内联系。同求推荐。

n*e2011-02-03 08:02

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看了置顶的帖子和USCIS上的要求
需要提交原始的I20和I94，而不是复印件，
我想知道这个他们办完后会退回来吗？
没I20,我就没有身份凭证了啊？
没I94,以后出入境会有麻烦啊
再就是USCIS上提到转F需要学校出具的财力证明，这个还要向学校要吗？
(Certification of Eligibility of Non immigrant Student,issued by the school
where you will study.)
我看到我I20里面有我的财力证明内容，
this school has information showing the following as the sutent's neabs if
support.......
谢谢

M*i2011-02-03 08:02

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每个女艾迪都有一颗成为名媛的心，就如同每个男艾迪心里都有一座断背山。。。
请马克

l*e2011-02-03 08:02

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不知道谁的TMC可用，给我看看到底是啥样的!

w*s2011-02-03 08:02

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RT。比如Marvell，Maxim，intel这些的。如果首轮interview挂掉的话，会被拉黑半年
吗？
谢谢！
另外，如果碰到面试的是三哥，英语又实在听不懂，有什么应付的技巧吗？刚刚就应为
听不懂印度英语挂了一个。。。

s*o2011-02-03 08:02

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I was told previous work won't count.

p*y2011-02-03 08:02

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没人知道?

d*e2011-02-03 08:02

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你心中的断碑山在哪？

【在 M**i 的大作中提到】

: 每个女艾迪都有一颗成为名媛的心，就如同每个男艾迪心里都有一座断背山。。。
: 请马克

x*g2011-02-03 08:02

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不会的吧，
不同的组之间也不知道的

【在 w*****s 的大作中提到】

: RT。比如Marvell，Maxim，intel这些的。如果首轮interview挂掉的话，会被拉黑半年
: 吗？
: 谢谢！
: 另外，如果碰到面试的是三哥，英语又实在听不懂，有什么应付的技巧吗？刚刚就应为
: 听不懂印度英语挂了一个。。。

s*y2011-02-03 08:02

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Thanks!
那我是不是应该现在就把署名下的单位改了？刚刚有一个同事要投一篇文章，把我作为
co-author，在问我是否要把affliation写成未来的新学校，我还在犹豫不知道怎么办
呢.

【在 s****o 的大作中提到】

: I was told previous work won't count.

b*a2011-02-03 08:02

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请说说你的心中偶像

【在 M**i 的大作中提到】

: 每个女艾迪都有一颗成为名媛的心，就如同每个男艾迪心里都有一座断背山。。。
: 请马克

E*a2011-02-03 08:02

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no. don't worry about it

【在 w*****s 的大作中提到】

: RT。比如Marvell，Maxim，intel这些的。如果首轮interview挂掉的话，会被拉黑半年
: 吗？
: 谢谢！
: 另外，如果碰到面试的是三哥，英语又实在听不懂，有什么应付的技巧吗？刚刚就应为
: 听不懂印度英语挂了一个。。。

d*a2011-02-03 08:02

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Final version时再改不迟。

【在 s******y 的大作中提到】

: Thanks!
: 那我是不是应该现在就把署名下的单位改了？刚刚有一个同事要投一篇文章，把我作为
: co-author，在问我是否要把affliation写成未来的新学校，我还在犹豫不知道怎么办
: 呢.

M*i2011-02-03 08:02

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这么隐私的事情怎么能告诉你

你心中的断碑山在哪？

【在 d********e 的大作中提到】

: 你心中的断碑山在哪？

w*s2011-02-03 08:02

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Thanks！可惜浪费了一个不错的组了

D*t2011-02-03 08:02

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Credit where credit is due. Don't risk your reputation.

【在 s******y 的大作中提到】

: Thanks!
: 那我是不是应该现在就把署名下的单位改了？刚刚有一个同事要投一篇文章，把我作为
: co-author，在问我是否要把affliation写成未来的新学校，我还在犹豫不知道怎么办
: 呢.

M*i2011-02-03 08:02

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我的偶像很多啊，比如梁朝伟，姜文，葛优。。

【在 b*a 的大作中提到】

: 请说说你的心中偶像

w*s2011-02-03 08:02

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@EEmania
Thanks！

s*y2011-02-03 08:02

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谢谢。这是一个好办法。看来还是要改的。多亏问了下，以前总是觉得"previous work
should count".

【在 d***a 的大作中提到】

: Final version时再改不迟。

d*e2011-02-03 08:02

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你是看肉跳上榜了你没上，极度了吧？

【在 M**i 的大作中提到】

: 这么隐私的事情怎么能告诉你
:
: 你心中的断碑山在哪？

g*t2011-02-03 08:02

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绝对没有小黑屋这回事儿.
Good luck

【在 w*****s 的大作中提到】

: RT。比如Marvell，Maxim，intel这些的。如果首轮interview挂掉的话，会被拉黑半年
: 吗？
: 谢谢！
: 另外，如果碰到面试的是三哥，英语又实在听不懂，有什么应付的技巧吗？刚刚就应为
: 听不懂印度英语挂了一个。。。

d*a2011-02-03 08:02

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work
不用谢。Previous work does NOT count，这个是不能搞错的。:-)

【在 s******y 的大作中提到】

: 谢谢。这是一个好办法。看来还是要改的。多亏问了下，以前总是觉得"previous work
: should count".

M*i2011-02-03 08:02

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没能跟你们并列榜单，我无比心痛

你是看肉跳上榜了你没上，极度了吧？

【在 d********e 的大作中提到】

: 你是看肉跳上榜了你没上，极度了吧？

w*s2011-02-03 08:02

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@guvest
Thanks~

D*t2011-02-03 08:02

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Once upon a time there was bullish guy who joined a top Ivy League faculty.
He quickly published a top paper in a top journal (using only his Ivy
League affiliation). His old boss was mad, because he thought the guy had done the work mostly in the old school. The guy continued to publish in top
journals....
To make a long story short, the guy lost tenure 10 years later, mostly
because the old boss raised some ethical issues...

M*i2011-02-03 08:02

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你们都去blessing吃包子呀

没能跟你们并列榜单，我无比心痛
你是看肉跳上榜了你没上，极度了吧？

【在 M**i 的大作中提到】

: 没能跟你们并列榜单，我无比心痛
:
: 你是看肉跳上榜了你没上，极度了吧？

w*h2011-02-03 08:02

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这么晚才把以前的工作投出去？
//不好意思，看错了，以为你说明年一月份评tenure...
这个你要和老板商量，如果他愿意，就可以用新单位。。。

【在 s******y 的大作中提到】

: 明年一月份开始tenure track，今年投出去的两篇文章肯定要明年才能发出来，但是署
: 名的单位还是老单位。这样发表的文章，将来评tenure时还有用吗？系里的人会不会把
: 这算作以前的工作而不予考虑？我现在应不应该和编辑说，把所属单位改成将要去的新
: 学校？谢谢！

d*e2011-02-03 08:02

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要不要我去给你提个名？

【在 M**i 的大作中提到】

: 没能跟你们并列榜单，我无比心痛
:
: 你是看肉跳上榜了你没上，极度了吧？

w*h2011-02-03 08:02

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it all depends how good your relationaship with your previous advisor.

.

【在 D*********t 的大作中提到】

: Once upon a time there was bullish guy who joined a top Ivy League faculty.
: He quickly published a top paper in a top journal (using only his Ivy
: League affiliation). His old boss was mad, because he thought the guy had done the work mostly in the old school. The guy continued to publish in top
: journals....
: To make a long story short, the guy lost tenure 10 years later, mostly
: because the old boss raised some ethical issues...

A*e2011-02-03 08:02

31 楼

错我心中就木有断背山

【在 M**i 的大作中提到】

: 每个女艾迪都有一颗成为名媛的心，就如同每个男艾迪心里都有一座断背山。。。
: 请马克

d*a2011-02-03 08:02

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.
楼主确实要和原来的导师沟通一下。一般来说是没有问题的，在文章的footnote或某个
地方加上象这样的一句：Most of the work by XXX was done at XXX when he was a
graduate student...

【在 D*********t 的大作中提到】

: Once upon a time there was bullish guy who joined a top Ivy League faculty.
: He quickly published a top paper in a top journal (using only his Ivy
: League affiliation). His old boss was mad, because he thought the guy had done the work mostly in the old school. The guy continued to publish in top
: journals....
: To make a long story short, the guy lost tenure 10 years later, mostly
: because the old boss raised some ethical issues...

d*e2011-02-03 08:02

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去看看

【在 M**i 的大作中提到】

: 你们都去blessing吃包子呀
:
: 没能跟你们并列榜单，我无比心痛
: 你是看肉跳上榜了你没上，极度了吧？

w*h2011-02-03 08:02

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不同地方有不同的要求。
这里说的previous work其实主要是指在你join以前发表的文章。
当然，你以前做的后来发出来的文章，虽然不做重点，
但count其实也是count的，尤其是很多情况下，
有很多人故意把一些文章推迟发表，弥补起步时期缺文章；
还有的老板愿意送一些文章给你，
允许你署新单位甚至做第一兼通讯作者，
这些，在我们这里都很常见的，
纯粹取决于原来老板跟你的关系。
更不用说，
你的文章多了，citation, h-index都多了，
这不是也count的部分么？
即便不count，你也不会因为这就放弃发表已经成型的文章吧。

work

【在 s******y 的大作中提到】

: 谢谢。这是一个好办法。看来还是要改的。多亏问了下，以前总是觉得"previous work
: should count".

d*e2011-02-03 08:02

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你不是名媛么？

【在 A*****e 的大作中提到】

: 错我心中就木有断背山

w*t2011-02-03 08:02

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you can change the affiliation when the publisher asks you to prove the
final print version. I did it after I moved to my school and my dissertation
advisor did it after he moved to a new school. Both are A journals.
Nobody complained.

【在 s******y 的大作中提到】

: 明年一月份开始tenure track，今年投出去的两篇文章肯定要明年才能发出来，但是署
: 名的单位还是老单位。这样发表的文章，将来评tenure时还有用吗？系里的人会不会把
: 这算作以前的工作而不予考虑？我现在应不应该和编辑说，把所属单位改成将要去的新
: 学校？谢谢！

b*a2011-02-03 08:02

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居然没有这个人？
http://photo2.bababian.com/upload1/20090822/609C0C27A68FB38460A
.jpg

【在 M**i 的大作中提到】

: 我的偶像很多啊，比如梁朝伟，姜文，葛优。。

s*y2011-02-03 08:02

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谢谢DrBiologist ,digua and wonderlich (左岸，遁去)你们提出了这么好的问题，这
的确很重要：就是不能“过河拆桥”！
但是，我的情况特殊：我本人已经作research faculty两三年了，自己手上有几个项目
，也有学生，我目前投出去的文章都是基于目前所做的项目，而这些项目的经费是要转
到新的学校去的，工作还要继续做，所以是很难界定这些工作到底是“之前”还是“之
后”完成的。我也没有“以前的老板会不高兴”的问题。
看了这里的一些讨论，对于如何拿到太牛很有帮助。我觉得funding对我不是问题，但
是写proposal花去了很多时间，将来又要教书，怕将来文章少了有问题，所以才想到这
个。也许对我来说，选择推迟投稿更合理一些。

M*i2011-02-03 08:02

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太假了，炒作的我不要

要不要我去给你提个名？

【在 d********e 的大作中提到】

: 要不要我去给你提个名？

s*y2011-02-03 08:02

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Thanks for the reassuring. I think I'll do it this way. By the way, your PhD
advisor is nice. My PhD advisor is very nice too. He helped me a lot on
building connections in the field.

dissertation

【在 w*****t 的大作中提到】

: you can change the affiliation when the publisher asks you to prove the
: final print version. I did it after I moved to my school and my dissertation
: advisor did it after he moved to a new school. Both are A journals.
: Nobody complained.

M*i2011-02-03 08:02

41 楼

你是美女，可以木有

【在 A*****e 的大作中提到】

: 错我心中就木有断背山

k*n2011-02-03 08:02

42 楼

不同的专业不同的政策吧

M*i2011-02-03 08:02

43 楼

看不到。。谁啊

【在 b*a 的大作中提到】

: 居然没有这个人？
: http://photo2.bababian.com/upload1/20090822/609C0C27A68FB38460A
: .jpg

r*y2011-02-03 08:02

44 楼

It is supposed to be similar, regardless majors and fields.
The main reasons that a tenure-track assistant professor need six or more
years to evaluate is they (the admin level) want to see whether s/he can
evolve into an independent researcher and a leader (science and engineering
is more obvious). If s/he fail to do so, then the game should be over for s/
he.
In some cases, previous publications with your former advisor may be counted
a little bit, but with a serious discount.

【在 k*******n 的大作中提到】

: 不同的专业不同的政策吧

b*a2011-02-03 08:02

45 楼

【在 b*a 的大作中提到】

: 居然没有这个人？
: http://photo2.bababian.com/upload1/20090822/609C0C27A68FB38460A
: .jpg

S*n2011-02-03 08:02

46 楼

Manuscript review and publishing is a long process. In most cases,
manuscripts have to be revised at least once or twice before accepted. You
should let the process run the course. After you have moved to your new
position, you may still in the revising process. By then, you will use your
time to make contributions to the final publications. By doing so, it is
justifiable to use your new working address. You may also list you under two
addresses, just to be politically correct. After I moved to

d*e2011-02-03 08:02

47 楼

切~~还装清高

【在 M**i 的大作中提到】

: 太假了，炒作的我不要
:
: 要不要我去给你提个名？

p*t2011-02-03 08:02

48 楼

at tenure time, usually there is no such thing as "counted" or not; or at
least the line was not clear. i have not heard of any school having explicit
policy about what counts and what does not, and how many papers you have to
publish, etc. What is important is the overall picture: whether you have
been continuously publishing in reputable journals; and whether you have
established yourself in your field.
that aside, your current school would feel good if you publish with your
current school's a

M*i2011-02-03 08:02

49 楼

什么玩样儿。。

【在 b*a 的大作中提到】

g*e2011-02-03 08:02

50 楼

It does not count

【在 s******y 的大作中提到】

: 谢谢DrBiologist ,digua and wonderlich (左岸，遁去)你们提出了这么好的问题，这
: 的确很重要：就是不能“过河拆桥”！
: 但是，我的情况特殊：我本人已经作research faculty两三年了，自己手上有几个项目
: ，也有学生，我目前投出去的文章都是基于目前所做的项目，而这些项目的经费是要转
: 到新的学校去的，工作还要继续做，所以是很难界定这些工作到底是“之前”还是“之
: 后”完成的。我也没有“以前的老板会不高兴”的问题。
: 看了这里的一些讨论，对于如何拿到太牛很有帮助。我觉得funding对我不是问题，但
: 是写proposal花去了很多时间，将来又要教书，怕将来文章少了有问题，所以才想到这
: 个。也许对我来说，选择推迟投稿更合理一些。

M*i2011-02-03 08:02

51 楼

你偷偷炒作我可以假装没看到，咳咳

切~~还装清高

【在 d********e 的大作中提到】

: 切~~还装清高

s*y2011-02-03 08:02

52 楼

Agree!
One thing is that for all the papers that I published, either for the work
with my PhD or postdoc advisors or for my own project, I have been the first
and corresponding authors. So it seems different fields have different
rules.

your
two

【在 S***n 的大作中提到】

: Manuscript review and publishing is a long process. In most cases,
: manuscripts have to be revised at least once or twice before accepted. You
: should let the process run the course. After you have moved to your new
: position, you may still in the revising process. By then, you will use your
: time to make contributions to the final publications. By doing so, it is
: justifiable to use your new working address. You may also list you under two
: addresses, just to be politically correct. After I moved to

d*e2011-02-03 08:02

53 楼

有钱么？

【在 M**i 的大作中提到】

: 你偷偷炒作我可以假装没看到，咳咳
:
: 切~~还装清高

s*y2011-02-03 08:02

54 楼

This seems very reasonable. But it is too general to follow. Usually either
the tenure-to-be or the review committee members wants to explain this by
some detailed bars or numbers. Yes, there probably is no explicit policy on
how many papers you should publish, but I think there still should be a
rough number there to make the bar. 从量变到质变吧. Don't you think so?

explicit
to

【在 p********t 的大作中提到】

: at tenure time, usually there is no such thing as "counted" or not; or at
: least the line was not clear. i have not heard of any school having explicit
: policy about what counts and what does not, and how many papers you have to
: publish, etc. What is important is the overall picture: whether you have
: been continuously publishing in reputable journals; and whether you have
: established yourself in your field.
: that aside, your current school would feel good if you publish with your
: current school's a

M*i2011-02-03 08:02

55 楼

有板栗你要不要

有钱么？

【在 d********e 的大作中提到】

: 有钱么？

w*t2011-02-03 08:02

56 楼

the tenure criterion depends on the field.
For B-majors, one A journal/per year is considered productive. It includes
papers coauthored with big guys (e.g., your boss), but you need show some
independent work (e.g., publishing single author A papers).

either
on

【在 s******y 的大作中提到】

: This seems very reasonable. But it is too general to follow. Usually either
: the tenure-to-be or the review committee members wants to explain this by
: some detailed bars or numbers. Yes, there probably is no explicit policy on
: how many papers you should publish, but I think there still should be a
: rough number there to make the bar. 从量变到质变吧. Don't you think so?
:
: explicit
: to

d*e2011-02-03 08:02

57 楼

流氓无产者

【在 M**i 的大作中提到】

: 有板栗你要不要
:
: 有钱么？

p*t2011-02-03 08:02

58 楼

In most places, this is intentionally kept vague, for several reasons.
Some people are aiming for the number of papers, and there are plenty of
journals that would publish garbage papers. People can publish 10 journal
papers per year without much trouble, but all are just garbage. Some
people want quality (and his own reputation in the field) instead of
quantity; and 2 paper per year in top journals is a also a reasonable
number. So, schools keep this as vague as possible to leave room for
the c

M*i2011-02-03 08:02

59 楼

西瓜吃完了，瓜子给你点

【在 d********e 的大作中提到】

: 流氓无产者

k*n2011-02-03 08:02

60 楼

据我所知，商学院，你以前的文章也是count的，不管你是在哪做的。

d*e2011-02-03 08:02

61 楼

西瓜妹那没新货了？

【在 M**i 的大作中提到】

: 西瓜吃完了，瓜子给你点

A*n2011-02-03 08:02

62 楼

It seems that many people on this board are narrow minded and think that
every field runs or should run in the way that they are used to. As you said
, it's common in my field too for me to be both the first and correspondence
author. If you are the correspondence author but don't list your most
current contact info, what is the point to have a correspondence author?!
I had a similar feeling while reading comments regarding funding and publications
in another post by a recently promoted business

【在 s******y 的大作中提到】

: Agree!
: One thing is that for all the papers that I published, either for the work
: with my PhD or postdoc advisors or for my own project, I have been the first
: and corresponding authors. So it seems different fields have different
: rules.
:
: your
: two

M*i2011-02-03 08:02

63 楼

被瓜瓜抢走了

【在 d********e 的大作中提到】

: 西瓜妹那没新货了？

S*n2011-02-03 08:02

64 楼

It was disrespectful to say that others were 'narrow-minded'. We were here
to offer help based on what we know. Please be polite and professional.

d*e2011-02-03 08:02

65 楼

瞧你俩这点欣赏水平。。。

【在 M**i 的大作中提到】

: 被瓜瓜抢走了

w*n2011-02-03 08:02

66 楼

你俩id倒是很像。哈哈

【在 S***n 的大作中提到】

: It was disrespectful to say that others were 'narrow-minded'. We were here
: to offer help based on what we know. Please be polite and professional.

m*y2011-02-03 08:02

67 楼

为什么这个帖子都马克了
我们被出卖了的还没有被补偿？！

H*r2011-02-03 08:02

68 楼

have to make your short story longer, this guy is called Fu ** doing
biology,
tenure denied at Yale but moved to Indianapolis.
His story is long and very complicated

.
done the work mostly in the old school. The guy continued to publish in
top

【在 D*********t 的大作中提到】

: Once upon a time there was bullish guy who joined a top Ivy League faculty.
: He quickly published a top paper in a top journal (using only his Ivy
: League affiliation). His old boss was mad, because he thought the guy had done the work mostly in the old school. The guy continued to publish in top
: journals....
: To make a long story short, the guy lost tenure 10 years later, mostly
: because the old boss raised some ethical issues...

b*a2011-02-03 08:02

69 楼

没办法，小姨和安子有奸情

【在 m**y 的大作中提到】

: 为什么这个帖子都马克了
: 我们被出卖了的还没有被补偿？！

D*t2011-02-03 08:02

70 楼

How complicated?
He published at least 2xCell, 2xScience, 1 Nature and numerous PNAS papers
in his own lab, as far as I know. Pretty sad!

【在 H*********r 的大作中提到】

: have to make your short story longer, this guy is called Fu ** doing
: biology,
: tenure denied at Yale but moved to Indianapolis.
: His story is long and very complicated
:
: .
: done the work mostly in the old school. The guy continued to publish in
: top

m*y2011-02-03 08:02

71 楼

叶孤城眼里怎么容得下？

【在 b*a 的大作中提到】

: 没办法，小姨和安子有奸情

H*r2011-02-03 08:02

72 楼

A long story.
He was in Darell's lab in Rockefeller 20 yrs ago, his boss and F had a very
smart idea which may lead to Nobel prize for Darell. Suddenly 8*8 happened
...

【在 D*********t 的大作中提到】

: How complicated?
: He published at least 2xCell, 2xScience, 1 Nature and numerous PNAS papers
: in his own lab, as far as I know. Pretty sad!

b*a2011-02-03 08:02

73 楼

西门小姨潘驴邓小闲样样都占全，叶孤城也禁不住诱惑

【在 m**y 的大作中提到】

: 叶孤城眼里怎么容得下？

D*t2011-02-03 08:02

74 楼

Go on, please!

very
happened

【在 H*********r 的大作中提到】

: A long story.
: He was in Darell's lab in Rockefeller 20 yrs ago, his boss and F had a very
: smart idea which may lead to Nobel prize for Darell. Suddenly 8*8 happened
: ...

m*y2011-02-03 08:02

75 楼

你的曾志伟成型了么？》

【在 b*a 的大作中提到】

: 西门小姨潘驴邓小闲样样都占全，叶孤城也禁不住诱惑

H*r2011-02-03 08:02

76 楼

give me 5 baozi, then...

【在 D*********t 的大作中提到】

: Go on, please!
:
: very
: happened

D*t2011-02-03 08:02

77 楼

I have to run now... I will give you tomorrow.

【在 H*********r 的大作中提到】

: give me 5 baozi, then...

H*r2011-02-03 08:02

78 楼

all right

【在 D*********t 的大作中提到】

: I have to run now... I will give you tomorrow.

w*n2011-02-03 08:02

79 楼

开讲吧。

【在 H*********r 的大作中提到】

: all right

A*n2011-02-03 08:02

80 楼

If ones thinks that 6 A publications in business before tenure is no big
deal, no funding is ridiculous and no Ph.D. students is laughable, then I
will say that the person is narrow minded. I hope that you were offended not
because you are one of them. The point is that not every major is like
biology! Show some respect to others before demanding the same.

【在 S***n 的大作中提到】

: It was disrespectful to say that others were 'narrow-minded'. We were here
: to offer help based on what we know. Please be polite and professional.

w*n2011-02-03 08:02

81 楼

not
biology有啥特别的地方？

【在 A***n 的大作中提到】

: If ones thinks that 6 A publications in business before tenure is no big
: deal, no funding is ridiculous and no Ph.D. students is laughable, then I
: will say that the person is narrow minded. I hope that you were offended not
: because you are one of them. The point is that not every major is like
: biology! Show some respect to others before demanding the same.

S*n2011-02-03 08:02

82 楼

Just a piece of advice from a real old ( a successful professor in China and
now a tenured associate professor
in a land grant university (not a very good one):
If you are a professional as you have claimed, please share with others your
own experience. This is what I do
in this forum. Please do not generalize and do not attack others. If you are
a student or postdoc, you have a
long way to go to be a successful faculty. Even if you are a faculty, you
should learn to be professional. But I
do ap

【在 A***n 的大作中提到】

: If ones thinks that 6 A publications in business before tenure is no big
: deal, no funding is ridiculous and no Ph.D. students is laughable, then I
: will say that the person is narrow minded. I hope that you were offended not
: because you are one of them. The point is that not every major is like
: biology! Show some respect to others before demanding the same.

A*n2011-02-03 08:02

83 楼

I was not even replying to nor commenting on your post at the first place!
PLEASE, stop talking to me in the tone you have been using and please don't
act like that you are more superior. It is frankly quite annoying. How
successful I am, have been or will be is not subject to your judgement. I
never asked for any advice from you and if you don't mind, please stop
pouring them toward me.

and
your
are

【在 S***n 的大作中提到】

: Just a piece of advice from a real old ( a successful professor in China and
: now a tenured associate professor
: in a land grant university (not a very good one):
: If you are a professional as you have claimed, please share with others your
: own experience. This is what I do
: in this forum. Please do not generalize and do not attack others. If you are
: a student or postdoc, you have a
: long way to go to be a successful faculty. Even if you are a faculty, you
: should learn to be professional. But I
: do ap

S*n2011-02-03 08:02

84 楼

It does not matter which post you were trying to reply to, when I read
postings such as
yours, I can not help but take issues with your negative comments toward
others (I am not
sure if I was annoying or not), which apparently had demonstrated again by
your post
here. Please do not attack others!!! Show respects!!! In fact, I am doing
this for your own
good. If you were offended and did not see any merits by my voluntary advice
, too bad. I
think I will stop here per your 'advice'. Anyway, we ar

【在 A***n 的大作中提到】

: I was not even replying to nor commenting on your post at the first place!
: PLEASE, stop talking to me in the tone you have been using and please don't
: act like that you are more superior. It is frankly quite annoying. How
: successful I am, have been or will be is not subject to your judgement. I
: never asked for any advice from you and if you don't mind, please stop
: pouring them toward me.
:
: and
: your
: are

p*e2011-02-03 08:02

85 楼

这个版怎么也吵架

w*n2011-02-03 08:02

86 楼

因为faculty不怎么灌水吧。其他版吵得厉害多了。这里还是讲道理的。

【在 p********e 的大作中提到】

: 这个版怎么也吵架

A*n2011-02-03 08:02

87 楼

"In fact, I am doing this for your own good. If you were offended and did
not see any merits by my voluntary advice, too bad."
For my own good?! Wow, you just reminded me of my high school teachers and I
miss them so much!! Thank you!
"Just a piece of advice from a real old ( a successful professor in China
and now a tenured associate professor in a land grant university (not a very
good one):"
Is the person yourself? You know I am just a pathetic student/postdoc
as you said and I really admire

【在 S***n 的大作中提到】

: It does not matter which post you were trying to reply to, when I read
: postings such as
: yours, I can not help but take issues with your negative comments toward
: others (I am not
: sure if I was annoying or not), which apparently had demonstrated again by
: your post
: here. Please do not attack others!!! Show respects!!! In fact, I am doing
: this for your own
: good. If you were offended and did not see any merits by my voluntary advice
: , too bad. I

D*t2011-02-03 08:02

88 楼

Baozi sent.

【在 H*********r 的大作中提到】

: all right

m*52011-02-03 08:02

89 楼

faculty版没啥好吵的
但是一旦涉及到几个问题必然开战
bschool profs vs. other profs
postdoc vs. chinese AP
female candidate vs. male candidate
欢迎大家补充

【在 w*****n 的大作中提到】

: 因为faculty不怎么灌水吧。其他版吵得厉害多了。这里还是讲道理的。

w*n2011-02-03 08:02

90 楼

英语好的 vs 英语差的
nice的 vs tough的

【在 m********5 的大作中提到】

: faculty版没啥好吵的
: 但是一旦涉及到几个问题必然开战
: bschool profs vs. other profs
: postdoc vs. chinese AP
: female candidate vs. male candidate
: 欢迎大家补充

C*y2011-02-03 08:02

91 楼

两个单位一起用。容许的，也合理。

【在 s******y 的大作中提到】

: 明年一月份开始tenure track，今年投出去的两篇文章肯定要明年才能发出来，但是署
: 名的单位还是老单位。这样发表的文章，将来评tenure时还有用吗？系里的人会不会把
: 这算作以前的工作而不予考虑？我现在应不应该和编辑说，把所属单位改成将要去的新
: 学校？谢谢！

T*y2011-02-03 08:02

92 楼

This post is right.
in tenure committee, people want to see your independent work and growth.
no matter which school you put your affiliation with, it's easy for people
to see your research topic, etc to see where this work is done. the
affiliation issue is minor.

explicit
to

【在 p********t 的大作中提到】

: at tenure time, usually there is no such thing as "counted" or not; or at
: least the line was not clear. i have not heard of any school having explicit
: policy about what counts and what does not, and how many papers you have to
: publish, etc. What is important is the overall picture: whether you have
: been continuously publishing in reputable journals; and whether you have
: established yourself in your field.
: that aside, your current school would feel good if you publish with your
: current school's a

H*r2011-02-03 08:02

93 楼

to continue---
After Tiananmen square blood splashed, the chinese students studying in us
demonstrated vigorously to express their anger. Fu was an activist in this
movement, he even presented at the Congress hearing. Of course, F stopped
his experiments for nearly one entire year.

【在 D*********t 的大作中提到】

: Baozi sent.

D*t2011-02-03 08:02

94 楼

Was it before or after he landed his Yale job? How did that affect his
tenure decision? Hey, HouLoneStar, we need more of your toothpaste.

【在 H*********r 的大作中提到】

: to continue---
: After Tiananmen square blood splashed, the chinese students studying in us
: demonstrated vigorously to express their anger. Fu was an activist in this
: movement, he even presented at the Congress hearing. Of course, F stopped
: his experiments for nearly one entire year.

s*y2011-02-03 08:02

95 楼

I support you because I saw a lot of nice posts by you that are very helpful
for new APs. Keep doing it and please do not stop!

advice

【在 S***n 的大作中提到】

: It does not matter which post you were trying to reply to, when I read
: postings such as
: yours, I can not help but take issues with your negative comments toward
: others (I am not
: sure if I was annoying or not), which apparently had demonstrated again by
: your post
: here. Please do not attack others!!! Show respects!!! In fact, I am doing
: this for your own
: good. If you were offended and did not see any merits by my voluntary advice
: , too bad. I

H*r2011-02-03 08:02

96 楼

Let me set a background for this long story.
F's phd advisor was Darnell, joined the NAS in 70's, received the National
Medal of Science, and Laskar Award, and numerous other awards.
Darnell is very powerful in the field, and has a lot of followers.
His only unfilled hope is Nobel award, and he counted on F's results to get
Nobel award.

【在 D*********t 的大作中提到】

: Was it before or after he landed his Yale job? How did that affect his
: tenure decision? Hey, HouLoneStar, we need more of your toothpaste.

D*t2011-02-03 08:02

97 楼

OK, I'm still waiting for the long story.

get

【在 H*********r 的大作中提到】

: Let me set a background for this long story.
: F's phd advisor was Darnell, joined the NAS in 70's, received the National
: Medal of Science, and Laskar Award, and numerous other awards.
: Darnell is very powerful in the field, and has a lot of followers.
: His only unfilled hope is Nobel award, and he counted on F's results to get
: Nobel award.

w*h2011-02-03 08:02

98 楼

你还等啥。。。不是很久以前的故事么。。。。
看这个转贴：
真人真事，付辛原即以前在耶鲁医学院任教的傅新元
上篇：美国学术界钩心斗角：付辛原永别耶鲁甜妞儿教授的故事
美国学术界钩心斗角，不闻炮声，不见硝烟，但出伤兵，也留尸体。
故事故事，过去的事，谁听了多少，谁记得多少。哎哟呵。欢迎对号入座。
从前，有个中国学生付辛原，南京人，留学美国最早的一批吧。去的是顶尖名牌
大学，胡适的母校，哥伦比亚大学（哥大）。得了博士，到更顶尖的大学，
Rockefeller（骡大）做博士后。导师呢，叫达人尔。
这达人尔可是名将。要的诺贝尔奖的大牌教授。付辛原在达人尔实验室做的东西
，就是达人尔要得诺贝尔奖的那劳什子。
看官，这诺贝尔奖，可是一个小矛盾的起因。达人尔在这圈里耕耘多年，没有功
劳也有苦劳。付辛原呢，做出了突破。两人没一个软柿子。达人尔岂容他人沾光，付辛
原岂甘排斥。
付辛原分离纯化到了现在叫STAT的蛋白质，那时叫ISGF-3。他东西都拿到了。可
是呢，历史风云突变：中国来了个“春夏之交的动乱事件”。这付辛原哪能袖手旁观。

【在 D*********t 的大作中提到】

: OK, I'm still waiting for the long story.
:
: get

w*n2011-02-03 08:02

99 楼

唉

【在 w********h 的大作中提到】

: 你还等啥。。。不是很久以前的故事么。。。。
: 看这个转贴：
: 真人真事，付辛原即以前在耶鲁医学院任教的傅新元
: 上篇：美国学术界钩心斗角：付辛原永别耶鲁甜妞儿教授的故事
: 美国学术界钩心斗角，不闻炮声，不见硝烟，但出伤兵，也留尸体。
: 故事故事，过去的事，谁听了多少，谁记得多少。哎哟呵。欢迎对号入座。
: 从前，有个中国学生付辛原，南京人，留学美国最早的一批吧。去的是顶尖名牌
: 大学，胡适的母校，哥伦比亚大学（哥大）。得了博士，到更顶尖的大学，
: Rockefeller（骡大）做博士后。导师呢，叫达人尔。
: 这达人尔可是名将。要的诺贝尔奖的大牌教授。付辛原在达人尔实验室做的东西

D*t2011-02-03 08:02

100 楼

Jesus! Who is the author? Baozi sent!

【在 w********h 的大作中提到】

: 你还等啥。。。不是很久以前的故事么。。。。
: 看这个转贴：
: 真人真事，付辛原即以前在耶鲁医学院任教的傅新元
: 上篇：美国学术界钩心斗角：付辛原永别耶鲁甜妞儿教授的故事
: 美国学术界钩心斗角，不闻炮声，不见硝烟，但出伤兵，也留尸体。
: 故事故事，过去的事，谁听了多少，谁记得多少。哎哟呵。欢迎对号入座。
: 从前，有个中国学生付辛原，南京人，留学美国最早的一批吧。去的是顶尖名牌
: 大学，胡适的母校，哥伦比亚大学（哥大）。得了博士，到更顶尖的大学，
: Rockefeller（骡大）做博士后。导师呢，叫达人尔。
: 这达人尔可是名将。要的诺贝尔奖的大牌教授。付辛原在达人尔实验室做的东西

y*e2011-02-03 08:02

101 楼

写得很有才华啊

你还等啥。。。不是很久以前的故事么。。。。
看这个转贴：
真人真事，付辛原即以前在耶鲁医学院任教的傅新元
上篇：美国学术界钩心斗角：付辛原永别耶鲁甜妞儿教授的故事
美国学术界钩心斗角，不闻炮声，不见硝烟，但出伤兵，也留尸体。
故事故事，过去的事，谁听了多少，谁记得多少。哎哟呵。欢迎对号入座。
从前，有个中国学生付辛原，南京人，留学美国最早的一批吧。去的是顶尖名牌
大学，胡适的母校，哥伦比亚大学（哥大）。得了博士，到更顶尖的大学，
Rockefeller（骡大）做博士后。导师呢，叫达人尔。
这达人尔可是名将。要的诺贝尔奖的大牌教授。付辛原在达人尔实验室做的东西
，就是达人尔要得诺贝尔奖的那劳什子。
看官，这诺贝尔奖，可是一个小矛盾的起因。达人尔在这圈里耕耘多年，没有功
劳也有苦劳。付辛原呢，做出了突破。两人没一个软柿子。达人尔岂容他人沾光，付辛
原岂甘排斥。
付辛原分离纯化到了现在叫STAT的蛋白质，那时叫ISGF-3。他东西都拿到了。可
是呢，历史风云突变：中国来了个“春夏之交的动乱事件”。这付辛

【在 w********h 的大作中提到】

: 你还等啥。。。不是很久以前的故事么。。。。
: 看这个转贴：
: 真人真事，付辛原即以前在耶鲁医学院任教的傅新元
: 上篇：美国学术界钩心斗角：付辛原永别耶鲁甜妞儿教授的故事
: 美国学术界钩心斗角，不闻炮声，不见硝烟，但出伤兵，也留尸体。
: 故事故事，过去的事，谁听了多少，谁记得多少。哎哟呵。欢迎对号入座。
: 从前，有个中国学生付辛原，南京人，留学美国最早的一批吧。去的是顶尖名牌
: 大学，胡适的母校，哥伦比亚大学（哥大）。得了博士，到更顶尖的大学，
: Rockefeller（骡大）做博士后。导师呢，叫达人尔。
: 这达人尔可是名将。要的诺贝尔奖的大牌教授。付辛原在达人尔实验室做的东西

F*D2011-02-03 08:02

102 楼

一句话，老中何时学会抱团才是中国人在世界学术界腾飞的起点。

【在 w*****n 的大作中提到】

: 唉

b*l2011-02-03 08:02

103 楼

付辛原现在在哪里？

【在 w********h 的大作中提到】

: 你还等啥。。。不是很久以前的故事么。。。。
: 看这个转贴：
: 真人真事，付辛原即以前在耶鲁医学院任教的傅新元
: 上篇：美国学术界钩心斗角：付辛原永别耶鲁甜妞儿教授的故事
: 美国学术界钩心斗角，不闻炮声，不见硝烟，但出伤兵，也留尸体。
: 故事故事，过去的事，谁听了多少，谁记得多少。哎哟呵。欢迎对号入座。
: 从前，有个中国学生付辛原，南京人，留学美国最早的一批吧。去的是顶尖名牌
: 大学，胡适的母校，哥伦比亚大学（哥大）。得了博士，到更顶尖的大学，
: Rockefeller（骡大）做博士后。导师呢，叫达人尔。
: 这达人尔可是名将。要的诺贝尔奖的大牌教授。付辛原在达人尔实验室做的东西

sa2011-02-03 08:02

104 楼

日本

【在 b****l 的大作中提到】

: 付辛原现在在哪里？

D*t2011-02-03 08:02

105 楼

日本? The article says he was banished to 阴地庵.

【在 sa 的大作中提到】

: 日本