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TrueStory (不是幸福的坑不挖) 于 (Tue Dec 20 09:42:39 2011, 美东) 提到:
from "The joy of living".
It's so refreshing to know, and it makes so much more sense.
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JeanIris (Iris) 于 (Tue Dec 20 10:39:50 2011, 美东) 提到:
I am also reading this book, and found what the author emphasizes again and
again is typical 'tathagatagarbha' theory.
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TrueStory (不是幸福的坑不挖) 于 (Tue Dec 20 10:50:20 2011, 美东) 提到:
I see. I am only at about 1/5th of it.
Is this wiki explanation on tathagatagarbha that's what you meant?
佛性（梵文：sk. Tathāgatagarbha, Buddhatva），佛教术语，也叫觉性、自性、真
如、实相、如来藏、圆觉等。
佛性一词在不同的情况下可有不同的内涵。《涅槃经》说“佛性有种种名，于一佛性，
亦名法性、涅槃，亦名般若、一乘，亦名首楞严三昧、狮子吼三昧”。大乘佛教的一些
经典认为一切众生皆有佛性，一切众生都有觉悟成佛的可能性。但众生因迷妄的深浅，
而有贤愚、明昧的不同。
在早期結集的佛教經典中並無相關記載，此為公元一世紀後，後般若經時期及唯識初期
所出現之用詞，已經引入印度奧義書和其他教派思想的觀念，為大乘佛教"有宗"的核心
思想，並非全部佛教教派皆認可之觀念。
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JeanIris (Iris) 于 (Tue Dec 20 10:53:54 2011, 美东) 提到:
yeah, if you are reading the Chinese version, on page 38 (in pdf) you can
see how the author is saying. Quite clear!
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JeanIris (Iris) 于 (Tue Dec 20 10:55:05 2011, 美东) 提到:
and it is in the 3rd chapter.
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TrueStory (不是幸福的坑不挖) 于 (Tue Dec 20 11:03:05 2011, 美东) 提到:
oh, I am not reading the Chinese version. I am listening to its CDs in
English. Where's the link to the Chinese version?
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JeanIris (Iris) 于 (Tue Dec 20 11:06:32 2011, 美东) 提到:
http://ishare.iask.sina.com.cn/f/11254258.html
some of the analogies and examples in this book are quite insightful at
least for me.
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TrueStory (不是幸福的坑不挖) 于 (Tue Dec 20 11:11:18 2011, 美东) 提到:
Thanks for the link.
Yes, I find this book very approachable and it helps me to understand more.
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JeanIris (Iris) 于 (Tue Dec 20 11:13:46 2011, 美东) 提到:
It is also helpful for me, but I do not accept 'tathagatagarbha' theory,
which means I do not accept the foundation of this book.
:-)
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TrueStory (不是幸福的坑不挖) 于 (Tue Dec 20 11:16:12 2011, 美东) 提到:
I am still far from finishing this book, and there're surely many good
things I will talk about it later.
Here's one minor criticism on the understanding of "science" that the
authors think though.
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He assumed that the scientific view of mind should be a like centralized
conductor to the symphony, but the Buddhist view of the mind is different
that the mind is never an entity. But no, that's not even how science
pictured it. There are centralized processing, and also distributed
processing. Distributed processing is also studied in science, and the
inspiration of such science is the Nature, the Rule of everything.
Many scientists are mimicking what the Nature is doing and they could
achieve lots of inspirations to put them into applications. I'd recommend a
book " Emergence: The Connected Lives of Ants, Brains, Cities, and Software"
by Steven Johnson. It's a good explanation how the world runs on swarm
based interaction, rather than by a centralized design.
I haven't read the book enough to know whether this book mentions it or
knows it, but human brains are very adaptive, and that's affirmed again and
again in experiments. Some experiments are like this: when certain area of
the brain is identified as related to, say, vision, smell, or taste, if that
brain area is damaged, another part of the brain will learn to acquire the
same functionality to enable vision, smell or taste. Mind does not happen as
fixed with certain biological structure, but there's a holistic connection
between mind and body.
My point is that science is ever evolving, what science describes is part of
the Rule, on how it's operated. All experiences have biological and
physical basis, and what once unknown may become known. For instance, I once
posted about the hormones and MRI results that scientists discovered for
people in love, such as Hellen Fisher's work, and their discoveries are
amazing to illustrate how this process is happening with the changes in
human bodies. But this understanding on this physical process does not
negate or replace the experiences themselves. As Hellen Fisher puts it, "You
can know every single ingredient in a piece of chocolate cake and still sit
down and eat that chocolate cake and feel that rush of joy."
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JeanIris (Iris) 于 (Tue Dec 20 11:18:48 2011, 美东) 提到:
The last paragraph is wonderful. :-)
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TrueStory (不是幸福的坑不挖) 于 (Tue Dec 20 11:39:47 2011, 美东) 提到:
May I know what theory you accept then? I want to know your most basic
opinion.
Also, why do you think that 'tathagatagarbha' is not true? I am not
interested in whether it's stated by Buddha or not, but just why you find it
not true.
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Yisu (大头教主) 于 (Tue Dec 20 12:49:21 2011, 美东) 提到:
thank you, will add to the good book list..
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windysnow (逸飞) 于 (Tue Dec 20 19:52:32 2011, 美东) 提到:
多谢分享
请问哪里有英文的下载么？
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freeman08 (平常心) 于 (Tue Dec 20 20:06:49 2011, 美东) 提到:
不错，有时候用不同语言说同一个事情，还是很有灵动感的，
中文怎么说？真空非顽空，真空非乌有，寂灭非断灭？
所以我认为你应该去参选BM，原因也简单，
这个版的版主应该让学-者来做，而不是让“教者”或管理者来做。
学-者，就是有兴趣并正在学习的人，这样比较有新鲜感，可以时常冒火花。
边学边干，比较有新鲜感和生命力。
其实早期几个版主当时都是学-者，Ray,para，Jstar,Qxc等等。
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windysnow (逸飞) 于 (Tue Dec 20 20:29:30 2011, 美东) 提到:
en, 这个空的概念，我当初学的中文，很久都没搞懂。一切都虚无，名利权情都浮云了
，然后心里空荡荡，廖无生趣。
后来参加一个英文的课程，阐述的很妙，out of nothing, there's space for
everything/possibilities 我终于知道空中生妙有
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bdbd (kakali) 于 (Tue Dec 20 20:33:00 2011, 美东) 提到:
她搞的东西水平那么低，你也支持？ 拿她跟J那种人比？ 你开玩笑呢吧。
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freeman08 (平常心) 于 (Tue Dec 20 20:38:14 2011, 美东) 提到:
我觉得不是水平问题，而是兴趣问题，wisdom应该是个活的东西，不是背诵课本，
关键一个人要有兴趣既读书又读心。还open mind.
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liozodell (山水白鹤) 于 (Tue Dec 20 20:42:28 2011, 美东) 提到:
嗯， yes
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bdbd (kakali) 于 (Tue Dec 20 20:43:18 2011, 美东) 提到:
她最喜欢背self help books啦。 我觉得她对评价别人，研究别人很感兴趣，没瞧出她
对佛法有兴趣。你是真有耐心，而且很宽容。 俺不大喜欢被别人研究。 她把我们当什
么？精神病？还是什么？她对你的客气和尊重，我个人认为是装出来的。 不好意思。
这么无聊加无礼的人，我觉得还是离远点好。
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bdbd (kakali) 于 (Tue Dec 20 20:54:04 2011, 美东) 提到:
说得非常对，但是这个美眉不是你说的那种人。。。。。。。
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bdbd (kakali) 于 (Tue Dec 20 20:54:54 2011, 美东) 提到:
你去竞选斑竹吧，俺觉得你蛮合适的。
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freeman08 (平常心) 于 (Tue Dec 20 21:52:07 2011, 美东) 提到:
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TrueStory (不是幸福的坑不挖) 于 (Wed Dec 21 09:18:12 2011, 美东) 提到:
Am I true or not? Time can tell.
"没瞧出她对佛法有兴趣。" I have never said that I am a Buddhist, what I am
interested in is the explanation of this Universe, the wisdom, not just
Buddhism. I still have many doubts about Buddhism. I have asked some
questions here, and I reserve my opinions.
"她把我们当什么？精神病？还是什么？" What is that "我们"? I spent long time
talking to you (you alone, not others) on your fear of death, and your
misjudging my intention as either cursing you or challenging you, but those
were not my intentions. If you want to avoid death, that's fine. For myself,
I see death as part of the cycle in life, and I accept death, my own and
others', peacefully.
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TrueStory (不是幸福的坑不挖) 于 (Wed Dec 21 09:36:38 2011, 美东) 提到:
sigh, you know why I don't read much of the old Sutra? I can't understand it
. It's so much easier to read English books.
What do you mean here ah? Or, is it "读心不是读别人的心，不是读你的心，而是
了解“自心”"?
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danalake (此曲只应天上有) 于 (Wed Dec 21 09:56:39 2011, 美东) 提到:
我当然记得你来这里和我的对话,
我感觉你是个比较强硬的人.我可能缺乏你那种强硬,
我如果有那个品质,我今天就不会是这样了....
我不反对你当班主,我对谁当都不太在乎,
但是,有人怕SEEU当,好象SEEU当,天就会塌了一样,
这么强烈的一种想控制版面的愿望,我很好奇是为什么?
我对你没什么,只是觉得你来的时间还少,SEEU比你久,
我们大概知道他的经历,性别,甚至收入,工作性质,
如果你有诚意的话,你不妨介绍一下你自己好吗?
这样大家对你有所了解,也增加信任感.
班主还是要灌一定时间,从天而降一个会把这个版面变成
一个让人困惑的地方.
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JeanIris (Iris) 于 (Wed Dec 21 10:02:44 2011, 美东) 提到:
Is here any relationship between whether can be a BM with 经历,性别,甚至收入
,工作性质?
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danalake (此曲只应天上有) 于 (Wed Dec 21 10:10:27 2011, 美东) 提到:
我从来不把这里看成一个灌水的地方,这里的人,我并不了解,
了解一下,对这个版面是好的.
大家真诚相待,这是一种姿态.
你在生活中碰到的人,你大概就会知道方的,圆的,那个接缘分
的效率是很高的,网确实是个障碍.你可能聊了几年,
你根本不了解对方的价值观.
当然,我要求比较过分,因为,我处世比较谨小慎微那类的.
你当然可以反对我的观点.
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JeanIris (Iris) 于 (Wed Dec 21 10:15:55 2011, 美东) 提到:
That is fine, I just meant here is wisdom board for communication of
knowledge in wisdom or just watering to have fun.
The personal information is not so important for whether can be a good BM.
And I do not think it is necessary to show so much to other IDs.
Here may be a platform to make friends, but not always.
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JeanIris (Iris) 于 (Wed Dec 21 10:17:27 2011, 美东) 提到:
But now I think I know you much better than before, and you should be a
quite good mom and woman. :-)
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Drkiller (帅帅) 于 (Wed Dec 21 10:17:39 2011, 美东) 提到:
网上还是注意自我保护为好，毕竟这里不是可以同城聚会的地方版
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JeanIris (Iris) 于 (Wed Dec 21 10:18:26 2011, 美东) 提到:
yeah, you are absolutely right!
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danalake (此曲只应天上有) 于 (Wed Dec 21 10:21:16 2011, 美东) 提到:
那也不是,我一向对人高标准,严要求.
我比较挑剔,非常挑剔,PICKY,就是了.
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JeanIris (Iris) 于 (Wed Dec 21 10:24:43 2011, 美东) 提到:
good to know :-)
But to 比较挑剔 the IDs here is unnecessary, and why should they be the
targets of your 挑剔? If you like, just reply their posts, otherwise do not.
Happy!
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danalake (此曲只应天上有) 于 (Wed Dec 21 10:28:00 2011, 美东) 提到:
我考虑不周了,灌得忘乎所以了,
不过,我相信,
路遥知马力,日久见人心.
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JeanIris (Iris) 于 (Wed Dec 21 10:28:46 2011, 美东) 提到:
re this sentence!!!
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Nonarisen (近在眼前) 于 (Wed Dec 21 10:29:40 2011, 美东) 提到:
佛性从禅修的体验上来讲,其实很简单.佛性就是我们的awareness. 我们每个人生来都
有awareness, 所以是本来俱足的. 大多数作过禅修的人,应该都会知道awareness是禅
修的核心. Meditation, 就是"keep your awareness present".
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JeanIris (Iris) 于 (Wed Dec 21 10:54:10 2011, 美东) 提到:
chapter 7 and 8 are quite nice!
thanks for your recommendation
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TrueStory (不是幸福的坑不挖) 于 (Wed Dec 21 11:34:19 2011, 美东) 提到:
"有人怕SEEU当,好象SEEU当,天就会塌了一样"
I don't know who you are talking about. Not me at least.
I don't mind who is the BM, and I don't want to be a BM.
SeeU could use this chance to really think how he evaluates the past,
especially his relationship with Yisu. Is it due to different opinions on
different sects in Buddhism, or what? I don't know the history enough, and I
was often reminded of the history on this board here.
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TrueStory (不是幸福的坑不挖) 于 (Wed Dec 21 11:45:59 2011, 美东) 提到:
en, that's what I thought.
I listened a bit more yesterday onto the second disc, about witnessing the thoughts and emotions coming and going, not as the absolute, etc, that's exactly what I have been doing, and what I had learned from The Work by Byron Katie.
A notion in this book is that emptyness shows the unlimited possibilities, including thoughts, and that's how The Work could help people assimilate the turn-around thoughts as an entry-point into this physical world after checking the original though
hich were believed to be true, but not true, or not the only thought to be true.
I'm looking forward to the later part of this book.
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danalake (此曲只应天上有) 于 (Wed Dec 21 11:57:37 2011, 美东) 提到:
无所谓,我就是想看天塌下来什么样.
这里有人想证明什么给我看,给大家看,我知道,就是看怎么玩.
我不愿意被人控制逻辑思维的自由度.
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TrueStory (不是幸福的坑不挖) 于 (Wed Dec 21 11:58:58 2011, 美东) 提到:
hehe.天 will never 塌下来. Don't 杞人忧天 le. :-)
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danalake (此曲只应天上有) 于 (Wed Dec 21 12:04:49 2011, 美东) 提到:
天快塌下来了,这里塌比较好,更多的人意识到,
真的天塌了,人死了,我还不至于坏到无动于衷的!!!
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Nonarisen (近在眼前) 于 (Wed Dec 21 13:29:41 2011, 美东) 提到:
Glad you like the book!
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Nonarisen (近在眼前) 于 (Wed Dec 21 13:35:41 2011, 美东) 提到:
Glad you find similarity between The Work and this book. Wish you benefit
from both of the books.
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bdbd (kakali) 于 (Wed Dec 21 21:07:23 2011, 美东) 提到:
这段话，基本属于驴唇不对马嘴，整个的和我的帖不相干。 说明，一，你看不懂中文
，二，你英文很差，表达也有问题。 既然如此，我就不算你造谣，你自己回去反省吧
。 这种垃圾帖，我就不回啦。
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freeman08 (平常心) 于 (Wed Dec 21 21:15:08 2011, 美东) 提到:
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JeanIris (Iris) 于 (Wed Dec 21 21:23:15 2011, 美东) 提到:
我们其实都不喜欢别人读自己，尤其是读出些不够好的东西，很多时候和我们自己的
self-image不附和。
我们又很不喜欢读自己，虽然佛法强调的就是这个。
但是我们很倾向去读别人，并且以自己的经验做判断。
哈哈
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freeman08 (平常心) 于 (Wed Dec 21 21:26:24 2011, 美东) 提到:
所以我觉得，打架是物理反应，恋爱是化学反应，宗教就是核子反应，
真要是核心问题被触及了，那反应就大了，很难hold住啊。
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bdbd (kakali) 于 (Wed Dec 21 21:41:31 2011, 美东) 提到:
有些道理。但是更大的问题是，这些人都没有他心通，基本属于把自己乱猜的别人的心
当真的在班上讲，这个是妄语吧。
问题更大的是，有些人读自己的心，拼命的美化，读得还是错的。
读人家，读自己都是瞎读。
而且俺个人认为，过去的事情，let it go。live in now. 但是这个true story,一方
面要说live in now, 一方面又问一大堆问题让这个去反省，让那个去反省，自己又忽
然跑出来要clarify什么process. 导致大家误入歧途。
Move on. It is over. Practise, practise practise. 呼吸观alone can lead to
wakening. 没听过研究他人的想法，导致自己解脱的。。。。。。。。。Do not 浪费
时间。
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JeanIris (Iris) 于 (Wed Dec 21 21:43:53 2011, 美东) 提到:
其实佛法所说，妄念对于我们这些没有解脱的普通人，几乎无时无刻不在发生。
：-）
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TrueStory (不是幸福的坑不挖) 于 (Thu Dec 22 09:48:35 2011, 美东) 提到:
" 这种垃圾帖，我就不回啦。" :-)
基本属于驴唇不对马嘴
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TrueStory (不是幸福的坑不挖) 于 (Thu Dec 22 09:53:31 2011, 美东) 提到:
"这些人都没有他心通"
Empathy and compassion is not some mystery, such as the "他心通", that only
Buddhists can do. Everyone is capable of it.
You probably understand my words on face value for about 80%, but you
understand my meaning for about 50%.
"俺个人认为，过去的事情，let it go。live in now" You say this as if I am
talking about a different thing. I mean exactly this. Think about it.
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TrueStory (不是幸福的坑不挖) 于 (Thu Dec 22 10:41:50 2011, 美东) 提到:
okay, I see. Thanks for the explanation.
"不是读你的心，是自读自心"
This is true, as what we see is through our own projections.
"你可以把自己的心捂得严严的。"
en, for this I have some objection. It's not only hard, if not impossible,
but also unnecessary for one to hide.
I am for radical honesty and non-violent communications, and speaking our
minds are much easier to all parties involved. Once the thoughts are taken
out (typed down here or spoken in our daily life), they are subject to the
light (the Love), and if they are not true, they vanish automatically. Un-
investigated thoughts, especially the stressful or hurtful ones, are
powerful in their damage.
I once shared a video that you commented on, "The power of vulnerability",
that's what it's about.
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freeman08 (平常心) 于 (Thu Dec 22 13:47:02 2011, 美东) 提到:
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JeanIris (Iris) 于 (Thu Dec 22 14:05:19 2011, 美东) 提到:
When you were saying SeeU was hurt, you made your judgement based on your
understanding. When you were asking him to check himself with the questions
you adapted from Byron Katie,you also thought about him from your
projections.
bdbd was talking about different thing with you.
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TrueStory (不是幸福的坑不挖) 于 (Thu Dec 22 14:05:55 2011, 美东) 提到:
Thank you for commenting on this.
I have one more thing to say. Maybe it's automatic for you to compare
yourself with others, or maybe you want to be nice to me, to say that "这点
你比我做的好。" Well, we are all perfect as what we are right now, and there
's no need to compare.
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robbin (robbin) 于 (Thu Dec 22 14:08:47 2011, 美东) 提到:
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freeman08 (平常心) 于 (Thu Dec 22 14:10:55 2011, 美东) 提到:
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TrueStory (不是幸福的坑不挖) 于 (Thu Dec 22 14:12:37 2011, 美东) 提到:
Yes, I was asking SeeU those questions based on my judgements, that's the best I could do, as a human being.
Yesterday I felt that SeeU was very defensive, and I was trying to break his shell.
This morning, however, in the posts I read from SeeU, he seemed to open up a bit, and I want to know what it was that I felt about him.
bdbd is a different story. She had assumed many things about me, and I am waiting to see whether she'll ever change her opinions about me.
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JeanIris (Iris) 于 (Thu Dec 22 14:18:44 2011, 美东) 提到:
I can tell you I had quite different feelings with you yesterday. I did not
see he was defensive. So judgements are quite personal.
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freeman08 (平常心) 于 (Thu Dec 22 14:20:56 2011, 美东) 提到:
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freeman08 (平常心) 于 (Thu Dec 22 14:21:56 2011, 美东) 提到:
我觉得他有躲。
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JeanIris (Iris) 于 (Thu Dec 22 14:22:55 2011, 美东) 提到:
Same as what I said here yesterday, we are all making illusions. lol
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TrueStory (不是幸福的坑不挖) 于 (Thu Dec 22 14:29:11 2011, 美东) 提到:
Let SeeU explain himself more ba. If he answers my question, then I'll know
more.
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JeanIris (Iris) 于 (Thu Dec 22 14:32:27 2011, 美东) 提到:
haha
Now understand you want to know more. That is fine.
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TrueStory (不是幸福的坑不挖) 于 (Thu Dec 22 14:37:33 2011, 美东) 提到:
I want to know more about whether my feelings were accurate about him.
You seemed to imply more leakage on the past events or something? Did you?
That's not what I cared about. If you want to say something, just say it.
Don't hint at it.
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JeanIris (Iris) 于 (Thu Dec 22 14:42:16 2011, 美东) 提到:
haha
you are always extending the topic.
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TrueStory (不是幸福的坑不挖) 于 (Thu Dec 22 14:50:37 2011, 美东) 提到:
"Always"? lol
If you didn't mean that this time, that's good.
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Yisu (大头教主) 于 (Thu Dec 22 15:20:29 2011, 美东) 提到:
It's neither nothingness nor something invisible..
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TrueStory (不是幸福的坑不挖) 于 (Thu Dec 22 20:21:16 2011, 美东) 提到:
en. I see. I didn't notice this earlier.
I know what you mean.
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TrueStory (不是幸福的坑不挖) 于 (Thu Dec 22 20:24:19 2011, 美东) 提到:
That book used an analogy as the enormous space, out of which things appear
and vanish. It makes sense to me, although I am still far away from knowing
this concept of emptyness.
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TrueStory (不是幸福的坑不挖) 于 (Thu Dec 22 20:26:08 2011, 美东) 提到:
Thank you for recommending the book. I am now on the part of "path", and I
am looking forward to the later part.
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robbin (robbin) 于 (Fri Dec 23 04:48:50 2011, 美东) 提到:
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bdbd (kakali) 于 (Fri Dec 23 05:47:13 2011, 美东) 提到:
我老人家问了你那么多问题，你都没回答，视而不见。你在躲什么？你很defensive呀
。
你的whole world constructed on 什么呀？ 你弄清楚你是Seeu肚子里面的蛔虫没有？
你凭什么认为你对别人的想法是正确的？ 你摆正自己的位置没有？
YOu did not answer any single question I asked. Instead, you avoided them.
是什么样的一种uncomfortable，让你不回答这些问题呢？ Think about it. Like I
told you again and again, 你很自相矛盾。不仅自相矛盾，而且非常不愿意承认自己
的错误。 错误时neutral的呀。 认个错有那么难吗？
I hope you can learn something.
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bdbd (kakali) 于 (Fri Dec 23 05:49:31 2011, 美东) 提到:
很对。 好在我还知道我是在灌水，浪费时间。有些人好像不知道呀。
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bdbd (kakali) 于 (Fri Dec 23 05:52:59 2011, 美东) 提到:
你还是先explain yourself more吧。
How do you feel? When SeeU told you he was not hurt? disappointed? Why do
you avoid my questions?
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TrueStory (不是幸福的坑不挖) 于 (Fri Dec 23 09:26:06 2011, 美东) 提到:
You said that you would not answer my post, but that same post was exactly
that you were replying my post, and many more. I enjoyed your show.
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TrueStory (不是幸福的坑不挖) 于 (Fri Dec 23 09:34:12 2011, 美东) 提到:
I understand his words, not 空, and I said it clearly that I am not there
yet. You are misunderstanding my words.
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robbin (robbin) 于 (Fri Dec 23 13:48:14 2011, 美东) 提到:
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bdbd (kakali) 于 (Fri Dec 23 16:03:39 2011, 美东) 提到:
哪里，哪里，你表演得比我好多啦。。。。。。。况且我根本没有表演。如果你一定要
说是show,说明你的心态有问题。
别跑。我问你的问题呢？ 怎么？就准你研究别人的feeling,别人不能研究你呀？ 哈哈
哈。
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bdbd (kakali) 于 (Fri Dec 23 16:28:30 2011, 美东) 提到:
的确说得非常差。我没功夫啦，如果我要翻译一段给你看，You will see 那整个的就
是乱七八糟。。。。
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Lostatlantis (。) 于 (Sat Dec 24 00:14:40 2011, 美东) 提到:
前段时间，我也“听”了这本书，很喜欢。这几天在读A New Earth，醍醐灌顶得很
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JeanIris (Iris) 于 (Sat Dec 24 08:12:28 2011, 美东) 提到:
Nice to see you again here jiejie, and Merry Christmas!
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TrueStory (不是幸福的坑不挖) 于 (Mon Dec 26 23:35:40 2011, 美东) 提到:
Thanks for the comment. It's good to know that we loved the same books.
Holiday has slowed down my reading, and I hope to know more of your comments
after I finish reading this book. I enjoyed Eckhart Tolle's books, too.
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Lostatlantis (。) 于 (Tue Dec 27 00:13:10 2011, 美东) 提到:
Thanks! Merry merry everyday, my friend!
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Lostatlantis (。) 于 (Tue Dec 27 00:17:36 2011, 美东) 提到:
I am afraid that I might let you down if you do have expectations for my
comments, my dear.
最近是，随性地读，随时地想，每时每刻地活着，experience。唯独就是说的益发地少
了。总觉得，话一出口，就已经不是那个意思了，不如不说。尤其是一写下来，就更不
一样了。
TrueStory (不是幸福的坑不挖) 于 (Tue Dec 20 09:42:39 2011, 美东) 提到:
from "The joy of living".
It's so refreshing to know, and it makes so much more sense.
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JeanIris (Iris) 于 (Tue Dec 20 10:39:50 2011, 美东) 提到:
I am also reading this book, and found what the author emphasizes again and
again is typical 'tathagatagarbha' theory.
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TrueStory (不是幸福的坑不挖) 于 (Tue Dec 20 10:50:20 2011, 美东) 提到:
I see. I am only at about 1/5th of it.
Is this wiki explanation on tathagatagarbha that's what you meant?
佛性（梵文：sk. Tathāgatagarbha, Buddhatva），佛教术语，也叫觉性、自性、真
如、实相、如来藏、圆觉等。
佛性一词在不同的情况下可有不同的内涵。《涅槃经》说“佛性有种种名，于一佛性，
亦名法性、涅槃，亦名般若、一乘，亦名首楞严三昧、狮子吼三昧”。大乘佛教的一些
经典认为一切众生皆有佛性，一切众生都有觉悟成佛的可能性。但众生因迷妄的深浅，
而有贤愚、明昧的不同。
在早期結集的佛教經典中並無相關記載，此為公元一世紀後，後般若經時期及唯識初期
所出現之用詞，已經引入印度奧義書和其他教派思想的觀念，為大乘佛教"有宗"的核心
思想，並非全部佛教教派皆認可之觀念。
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JeanIris (Iris) 于 (Tue Dec 20 10:53:54 2011, 美东) 提到:
yeah, if you are reading the Chinese version, on page 38 (in pdf) you can
see how the author is saying. Quite clear!
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JeanIris (Iris) 于 (Tue Dec 20 10:55:05 2011, 美东) 提到:
and it is in the 3rd chapter.
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TrueStory (不是幸福的坑不挖) 于 (Tue Dec 20 11:03:05 2011, 美东) 提到:
oh, I am not reading the Chinese version. I am listening to its CDs in
English. Where's the link to the Chinese version?
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JeanIris (Iris) 于 (Tue Dec 20 11:06:32 2011, 美东) 提到:
http://ishare.iask.sina.com.cn/f/11254258.html
some of the analogies and examples in this book are quite insightful at
least for me.
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TrueStory (不是幸福的坑不挖) 于 (Tue Dec 20 11:11:18 2011, 美东) 提到:
Thanks for the link.
Yes, I find this book very approachable and it helps me to understand more.
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JeanIris (Iris) 于 (Tue Dec 20 11:13:46 2011, 美东) 提到:
It is also helpful for me, but I do not accept 'tathagatagarbha' theory,
which means I do not accept the foundation of this book.
:-)
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TrueStory (不是幸福的坑不挖) 于 (Tue Dec 20 11:16:12 2011, 美东) 提到:
I am still far from finishing this book, and there're surely many good
things I will talk about it later.
Here's one minor criticism on the understanding of "science" that the
authors think though.
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He assumed that the scientific view of mind should be a like centralized
conductor to the symphony, but the Buddhist view of the mind is different
that the mind is never an entity. But no, that's not even how science
pictured it. There are centralized processing, and also distributed
processing. Distributed processing is also studied in science, and the
inspiration of such science is the Nature, the Rule of everything.
Many scientists are mimicking what the Nature is doing and they could
achieve lots of inspirations to put them into applications. I'd recommend a
book " Emergence: The Connected Lives of Ants, Brains, Cities, and Software"
by Steven Johnson. It's a good explanation how the world runs on swarm
based interaction, rather than by a centralized design.
I haven't read the book enough to know whether this book mentions it or
knows it, but human brains are very adaptive, and that's affirmed again and
again in experiments. Some experiments are like this: when certain area of
the brain is identified as related to, say, vision, smell, or taste, if that
brain area is damaged, another part of the brain will learn to acquire the
same functionality to enable vision, smell or taste. Mind does not happen as
fixed with certain biological structure, but there's a holistic connection
between mind and body.
My point is that science is ever evolving, what science describes is part of
the Rule, on how it's operated. All experiences have biological and
physical basis, and what once unknown may become known. For instance, I once
posted about the hormones and MRI results that scientists discovered for
people in love, such as Hellen Fisher's work, and their discoveries are
amazing to illustrate how this process is happening with the changes in
human bodies. But this understanding on this physical process does not
negate or replace the experiences themselves. As Hellen Fisher puts it, "You
can know every single ingredient in a piece of chocolate cake and still sit
down and eat that chocolate cake and feel that rush of joy."
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JeanIris (Iris) 于 (Tue Dec 20 11:18:48 2011, 美东) 提到:
The last paragraph is wonderful. :-)
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TrueStory (不是幸福的坑不挖) 于 (Tue Dec 20 11:39:47 2011, 美东) 提到:
May I know what theory you accept then? I want to know your most basic
opinion.
Also, why do you think that 'tathagatagarbha' is not true? I am not
interested in whether it's stated by Buddha or not, but just why you find it
not true.
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Yisu (大头教主) 于 (Tue Dec 20 12:49:21 2011, 美东) 提到:
thank you, will add to the good book list..
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windysnow (逸飞) 于 (Tue Dec 20 19:52:32 2011, 美东) 提到:
多谢分享
请问哪里有英文的下载么？
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freeman08 (平常心) 于 (Tue Dec 20 20:06:49 2011, 美东) 提到:
不错，有时候用不同语言说同一个事情，还是很有灵动感的，
中文怎么说？真空非顽空，真空非乌有，寂灭非断灭？
所以我认为你应该去参选BM，原因也简单，
这个版的版主应该让学-者来做，而不是让“教者”或管理者来做。
学-者，就是有兴趣并正在学习的人，这样比较有新鲜感，可以时常冒火花。
边学边干，比较有新鲜感和生命力。
其实早期几个版主当时都是学-者，Ray,para，Jstar,Qxc等等。
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windysnow (逸飞) 于 (Tue Dec 20 20:29:30 2011, 美东) 提到:
en, 这个空的概念，我当初学的中文，很久都没搞懂。一切都虚无，名利权情都浮云了
，然后心里空荡荡，廖无生趣。
后来参加一个英文的课程，阐述的很妙，out of nothing, there's space for
everything/possibilities 我终于知道空中生妙有
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bdbd (kakali) 于 (Tue Dec 20 20:33:00 2011, 美东) 提到:
她搞的东西水平那么低，你也支持？ 拿她跟J那种人比？ 你开玩笑呢吧。
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freeman08 (平常心) 于 (Tue Dec 20 20:38:14 2011, 美东) 提到:
我觉得不是水平问题，而是兴趣问题，wisdom应该是个活的东西，不是背诵课本，
关键一个人要有兴趣既读书又读心。还open mind.
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liozodell (山水白鹤) 于 (Tue Dec 20 20:42:28 2011, 美东) 提到:
嗯， yes
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bdbd (kakali) 于 (Tue Dec 20 20:43:18 2011, 美东) 提到:
她最喜欢背self help books啦。 我觉得她对评价别人，研究别人很感兴趣，没瞧出她
对佛法有兴趣。你是真有耐心，而且很宽容。 俺不大喜欢被别人研究。 她把我们当什
么？精神病？还是什么？她对你的客气和尊重，我个人认为是装出来的。 不好意思。
这么无聊加无礼的人，我觉得还是离远点好。
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bdbd (kakali) 于 (Tue Dec 20 20:54:04 2011, 美东) 提到:
说得非常对，但是这个美眉不是你说的那种人。。。。。。。
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bdbd (kakali) 于 (Tue Dec 20 20:54:54 2011, 美东) 提到:
你去竞选斑竹吧，俺觉得你蛮合适的。
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freeman08 (平常心) 于 (Tue Dec 20 21:52:07 2011, 美东) 提到:
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TrueStory (不是幸福的坑不挖) 于 (Wed Dec 21 09:18:12 2011, 美东) 提到:
Am I true or not? Time can tell.
"没瞧出她对佛法有兴趣。" I have never said that I am a Buddhist, what I am
interested in is the explanation of this Universe, the wisdom, not just
Buddhism. I still have many doubts about Buddhism. I have asked some
questions here, and I reserve my opinions.
"她把我们当什么？精神病？还是什么？" What is that "我们"? I spent long time
talking to you (you alone, not others) on your fear of death, and your
misjudging my intention as either cursing you or challenging you, but those
were not my intentions. If you want to avoid death, that's fine. For myself,
I see death as part of the cycle in life, and I accept death, my own and
others', peacefully.
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TrueStory (不是幸福的坑不挖) 于 (Wed Dec 21 09:36:38 2011, 美东) 提到:
sigh, you know why I don't read much of the old Sutra? I can't understand it
. It's so much easier to read English books.
What do you mean here ah? Or, is it "读心不是读别人的心，不是读你的心，而是
了解“自心”"?
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danalake (此曲只应天上有) 于 (Wed Dec 21 09:56:39 2011, 美东) 提到:
我当然记得你来这里和我的对话,
我感觉你是个比较强硬的人.我可能缺乏你那种强硬,
我如果有那个品质,我今天就不会是这样了....
我不反对你当班主,我对谁当都不太在乎,
但是,有人怕SEEU当,好象SEEU当,天就会塌了一样,
这么强烈的一种想控制版面的愿望,我很好奇是为什么?
我对你没什么,只是觉得你来的时间还少,SEEU比你久,
我们大概知道他的经历,性别,甚至收入,工作性质,
如果你有诚意的话,你不妨介绍一下你自己好吗?
这样大家对你有所了解,也增加信任感.
班主还是要灌一定时间,从天而降一个会把这个版面变成
一个让人困惑的地方.
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JeanIris (Iris) 于 (Wed Dec 21 10:02:44 2011, 美东) 提到:
Is here any relationship between whether can be a BM with 经历,性别,甚至收入
,工作性质?
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danalake (此曲只应天上有) 于 (Wed Dec 21 10:10:27 2011, 美东) 提到:
我从来不把这里看成一个灌水的地方,这里的人,我并不了解,
了解一下,对这个版面是好的.
大家真诚相待,这是一种姿态.
你在生活中碰到的人,你大概就会知道方的,圆的,那个接缘分
的效率是很高的,网确实是个障碍.你可能聊了几年,
你根本不了解对方的价值观.
当然,我要求比较过分,因为,我处世比较谨小慎微那类的.
你当然可以反对我的观点.
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JeanIris (Iris) 于 (Wed Dec 21 10:15:55 2011, 美东) 提到:
That is fine, I just meant here is wisdom board for communication of
knowledge in wisdom or just watering to have fun.
The personal information is not so important for whether can be a good BM.
And I do not think it is necessary to show so much to other IDs.
Here may be a platform to make friends, but not always.
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JeanIris (Iris) 于 (Wed Dec 21 10:17:27 2011, 美东) 提到:
But now I think I know you much better than before, and you should be a
quite good mom and woman. :-)
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Drkiller (帅帅) 于 (Wed Dec 21 10:17:39 2011, 美东) 提到:
网上还是注意自我保护为好，毕竟这里不是可以同城聚会的地方版
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JeanIris (Iris) 于 (Wed Dec 21 10:18:26 2011, 美东) 提到:
yeah, you are absolutely right!
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danalake (此曲只应天上有) 于 (Wed Dec 21 10:21:16 2011, 美东) 提到:
那也不是,我一向对人高标准,严要求.
我比较挑剔,非常挑剔,PICKY,就是了.
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JeanIris (Iris) 于 (Wed Dec 21 10:24:43 2011, 美东) 提到:
good to know :-)
But to 比较挑剔 the IDs here is unnecessary, and why should they be the
targets of your 挑剔? If you like, just reply their posts, otherwise do not.
Happy!
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danalake (此曲只应天上有) 于 (Wed Dec 21 10:28:00 2011, 美东) 提到:
我考虑不周了,灌得忘乎所以了,
不过,我相信,
路遥知马力,日久见人心.
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JeanIris (Iris) 于 (Wed Dec 21 10:28:46 2011, 美东) 提到:
re this sentence!!!
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Nonarisen (近在眼前) 于 (Wed Dec 21 10:29:40 2011, 美东) 提到:
佛性从禅修的体验上来讲,其实很简单.佛性就是我们的awareness. 我们每个人生来都
有awareness, 所以是本来俱足的. 大多数作过禅修的人,应该都会知道awareness是禅
修的核心. Meditation, 就是"keep your awareness present".
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JeanIris (Iris) 于 (Wed Dec 21 10:54:10 2011, 美东) 提到:
chapter 7 and 8 are quite nice!
thanks for your recommendation
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TrueStory (不是幸福的坑不挖) 于 (Wed Dec 21 11:34:19 2011, 美东) 提到:
"有人怕SEEU当,好象SEEU当,天就会塌了一样"
I don't know who you are talking about. Not me at least.
I don't mind who is the BM, and I don't want to be a BM.
SeeU could use this chance to really think how he evaluates the past,
especially his relationship with Yisu. Is it due to different opinions on
different sects in Buddhism, or what? I don't know the history enough, and I
was often reminded of the history on this board here.
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TrueStory (不是幸福的坑不挖) 于 (Wed Dec 21 11:45:59 2011, 美东) 提到:
en, that's what I thought.
I listened a bit more yesterday onto the second disc, about witnessing the thoughts and emotions coming and going, not as the absolute, etc, that's exactly what I have been doing, and what I had learned from The Work by Byron Katie.
A notion in this book is that emptyness shows the unlimited possibilities, including thoughts, and that's how The Work could help people assimilate the turn-around thoughts as an entry-point into this physical world after checking the original though
hich were believed to be true, but not true, or not the only thought to be true.
I'm looking forward to the later part of this book.
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danalake (此曲只应天上有) 于 (Wed Dec 21 11:57:37 2011, 美东) 提到:
无所谓,我就是想看天塌下来什么样.
这里有人想证明什么给我看,给大家看,我知道,就是看怎么玩.
我不愿意被人控制逻辑思维的自由度.
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TrueStory (不是幸福的坑不挖) 于 (Wed Dec 21 11:58:58 2011, 美东) 提到:
hehe.天 will never 塌下来. Don't 杞人忧天 le. :-)
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danalake (此曲只应天上有) 于 (Wed Dec 21 12:04:49 2011, 美东) 提到:
天快塌下来了,这里塌比较好,更多的人意识到,
真的天塌了,人死了,我还不至于坏到无动于衷的!!!
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Nonarisen (近在眼前) 于 (Wed Dec 21 13:29:41 2011, 美东) 提到:
Glad you like the book!
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Nonarisen (近在眼前) 于 (Wed Dec 21 13:35:41 2011, 美东) 提到:
Glad you find similarity between The Work and this book. Wish you benefit
from both of the books.
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bdbd (kakali) 于 (Wed Dec 21 21:07:23 2011, 美东) 提到:
这段话，基本属于驴唇不对马嘴，整个的和我的帖不相干。 说明，一，你看不懂中文
，二，你英文很差，表达也有问题。 既然如此，我就不算你造谣，你自己回去反省吧
。 这种垃圾帖，我就不回啦。
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freeman08 (平常心) 于 (Wed Dec 21 21:15:08 2011, 美东) 提到:
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JeanIris (Iris) 于 (Wed Dec 21 21:23:15 2011, 美东) 提到:
我们其实都不喜欢别人读自己，尤其是读出些不够好的东西，很多时候和我们自己的
self-image不附和。
我们又很不喜欢读自己，虽然佛法强调的就是这个。
但是我们很倾向去读别人，并且以自己的经验做判断。
哈哈
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freeman08 (平常心) 于 (Wed Dec 21 21:26:24 2011, 美东) 提到:
所以我觉得，打架是物理反应，恋爱是化学反应，宗教就是核子反应，
真要是核心问题被触及了，那反应就大了，很难hold住啊。
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bdbd (kakali) 于 (Wed Dec 21 21:41:31 2011, 美东) 提到:
有些道理。但是更大的问题是，这些人都没有他心通，基本属于把自己乱猜的别人的心
当真的在班上讲，这个是妄语吧。
问题更大的是，有些人读自己的心，拼命的美化，读得还是错的。
读人家，读自己都是瞎读。
而且俺个人认为，过去的事情，let it go。live in now. 但是这个true story,一方
面要说live in now, 一方面又问一大堆问题让这个去反省，让那个去反省，自己又忽
然跑出来要clarify什么process. 导致大家误入歧途。
Move on. It is over. Practise, practise practise. 呼吸观alone can lead to
wakening. 没听过研究他人的想法，导致自己解脱的。。。。。。。。。Do not 浪费
时间。
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JeanIris (Iris) 于 (Wed Dec 21 21:43:53 2011, 美东) 提到:
其实佛法所说，妄念对于我们这些没有解脱的普通人，几乎无时无刻不在发生。
：-）
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TrueStory (不是幸福的坑不挖) 于 (Thu Dec 22 09:48:35 2011, 美东) 提到:
" 这种垃圾帖，我就不回啦。" :-)
基本属于驴唇不对马嘴
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TrueStory (不是幸福的坑不挖) 于 (Thu Dec 22 09:53:31 2011, 美东) 提到:
"这些人都没有他心通"
Empathy and compassion is not some mystery, such as the "他心通", that only
Buddhists can do. Everyone is capable of it.
You probably understand my words on face value for about 80%, but you
understand my meaning for about 50%.
"俺个人认为，过去的事情，let it go。live in now" You say this as if I am
talking about a different thing. I mean exactly this. Think about it.
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TrueStory (不是幸福的坑不挖) 于 (Thu Dec 22 10:41:50 2011, 美东) 提到:
okay, I see. Thanks for the explanation.
"不是读你的心，是自读自心"
This is true, as what we see is through our own projections.
"你可以把自己的心捂得严严的。"
en, for this I have some objection. It's not only hard, if not impossible,
but also unnecessary for one to hide.
I am for radical honesty and non-violent communications, and speaking our
minds are much easier to all parties involved. Once the thoughts are taken
out (typed down here or spoken in our daily life), they are subject to the
light (the Love), and if they are not true, they vanish automatically. Un-
investigated thoughts, especially the stressful or hurtful ones, are
powerful in their damage.
I once shared a video that you commented on, "The power of vulnerability",
that's what it's about.
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freeman08 (平常心) 于 (Thu Dec 22 13:47:02 2011, 美东) 提到:
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JeanIris (Iris) 于 (Thu Dec 22 14:05:19 2011, 美东) 提到:
When you were saying SeeU was hurt, you made your judgement based on your
understanding. When you were asking him to check himself with the questions
you adapted from Byron Katie,you also thought about him from your
projections.
bdbd was talking about different thing with you.
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TrueStory (不是幸福的坑不挖) 于 (Thu Dec 22 14:05:55 2011, 美东) 提到:
Thank you for commenting on this.
I have one more thing to say. Maybe it's automatic for you to compare
yourself with others, or maybe you want to be nice to me, to say that "这点
你比我做的好。" Well, we are all perfect as what we are right now, and there
's no need to compare.
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robbin (robbin) 于 (Thu Dec 22 14:08:47 2011, 美东) 提到:
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freeman08 (平常心) 于 (Thu Dec 22 14:10:55 2011, 美东) 提到:
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TrueStory (不是幸福的坑不挖) 于 (Thu Dec 22 14:12:37 2011, 美东) 提到:
Yes, I was asking SeeU those questions based on my judgements, that's the best I could do, as a human being.
Yesterday I felt that SeeU was very defensive, and I was trying to break his shell.
This morning, however, in the posts I read from SeeU, he seemed to open up a bit, and I want to know what it was that I felt about him.
bdbd is a different story. She had assumed many things about me, and I am waiting to see whether she'll ever change her opinions about me.
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JeanIris (Iris) 于 (Thu Dec 22 14:18:44 2011, 美东) 提到:
I can tell you I had quite different feelings with you yesterday. I did not
see he was defensive. So judgements are quite personal.
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freeman08 (平常心) 于 (Thu Dec 22 14:20:56 2011, 美东) 提到:
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freeman08 (平常心) 于 (Thu Dec 22 14:21:56 2011, 美东) 提到:
我觉得他有躲。
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JeanIris (Iris) 于 (Thu Dec 22 14:22:55 2011, 美东) 提到:
Same as what I said here yesterday, we are all making illusions. lol
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TrueStory (不是幸福的坑不挖) 于 (Thu Dec 22 14:29:11 2011, 美东) 提到:
Let SeeU explain himself more ba. If he answers my question, then I'll know
more.
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JeanIris (Iris) 于 (Thu Dec 22 14:32:27 2011, 美东) 提到:
haha
Now understand you want to know more. That is fine.
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TrueStory (不是幸福的坑不挖) 于 (Thu Dec 22 14:37:33 2011, 美东) 提到:
I want to know more about whether my feelings were accurate about him.
You seemed to imply more leakage on the past events or something? Did you?
That's not what I cared about. If you want to say something, just say it.
Don't hint at it.
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JeanIris (Iris) 于 (Thu Dec 22 14:42:16 2011, 美东) 提到:
haha
you are always extending the topic.
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TrueStory (不是幸福的坑不挖) 于 (Thu Dec 22 14:50:37 2011, 美东) 提到:
"Always"? lol
If you didn't mean that this time, that's good.
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Yisu (大头教主) 于 (Thu Dec 22 15:20:29 2011, 美东) 提到:
It's neither nothingness nor something invisible..
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TrueStory (不是幸福的坑不挖) 于 (Thu Dec 22 20:21:16 2011, 美东) 提到:
en. I see. I didn't notice this earlier.
I know what you mean.
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TrueStory (不是幸福的坑不挖) 于 (Thu Dec 22 20:24:19 2011, 美东) 提到:
That book used an analogy as the enormous space, out of which things appear
and vanish. It makes sense to me, although I am still far away from knowing
this concept of emptyness.
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TrueStory (不是幸福的坑不挖) 于 (Thu Dec 22 20:26:08 2011, 美东) 提到:
Thank you for recommending the book. I am now on the part of "path", and I
am looking forward to the later part.
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robbin (robbin) 于 (Fri Dec 23 04:48:50 2011, 美东) 提到:
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bdbd (kakali) 于 (Fri Dec 23 05:47:13 2011, 美东) 提到:
我老人家问了你那么多问题，你都没回答，视而不见。你在躲什么？你很defensive呀
。
你的whole world constructed on 什么呀？ 你弄清楚你是Seeu肚子里面的蛔虫没有？
你凭什么认为你对别人的想法是正确的？ 你摆正自己的位置没有？
YOu did not answer any single question I asked. Instead, you avoided them.
是什么样的一种uncomfortable，让你不回答这些问题呢？ Think about it. Like I
told you again and again, 你很自相矛盾。不仅自相矛盾，而且非常不愿意承认自己
的错误。 错误时neutral的呀。 认个错有那么难吗？
I hope you can learn something.
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bdbd (kakali) 于 (Fri Dec 23 05:49:31 2011, 美东) 提到:
很对。 好在我还知道我是在灌水，浪费时间。有些人好像不知道呀。
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bdbd (kakali) 于 (Fri Dec 23 05:52:59 2011, 美东) 提到:
你还是先explain yourself more吧。
How do you feel? When SeeU told you he was not hurt? disappointed? Why do
you avoid my questions?
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TrueStory (不是幸福的坑不挖) 于 (Fri Dec 23 09:26:06 2011, 美东) 提到:
You said that you would not answer my post, but that same post was exactly
that you were replying my post, and many more. I enjoyed your show.
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TrueStory (不是幸福的坑不挖) 于 (Fri Dec 23 09:34:12 2011, 美东) 提到:
I understand his words, not 空, and I said it clearly that I am not there
yet. You are misunderstanding my words.
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robbin (robbin) 于 (Fri Dec 23 13:48:14 2011, 美东) 提到:
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bdbd (kakali) 于 (Fri Dec 23 16:03:39 2011, 美东) 提到:
哪里，哪里，你表演得比我好多啦。。。。。。。况且我根本没有表演。如果你一定要
说是show,说明你的心态有问题。
别跑。我问你的问题呢？ 怎么？就准你研究别人的feeling,别人不能研究你呀？ 哈哈
哈。
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bdbd (kakali) 于 (Fri Dec 23 16:28:30 2011, 美东) 提到:
的确说得非常差。我没功夫啦，如果我要翻译一段给你看，You will see 那整个的就
是乱七八糟。。。。
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Lostatlantis (。) 于 (Sat Dec 24 00:14:40 2011, 美东) 提到:
前段时间，我也“听”了这本书，很喜欢。这几天在读A New Earth，醍醐灌顶得很
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JeanIris (Iris) 于 (Sat Dec 24 08:12:28 2011, 美东) 提到:
Nice to see you again here jiejie, and Merry Christmas!
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TrueStory (不是幸福的坑不挖) 于 (Mon Dec 26 23:35:40 2011, 美东) 提到:
Thanks for the comment. It's good to know that we loved the same books.
Holiday has slowed down my reading, and I hope to know more of your comments
after I finish reading this book. I enjoyed Eckhart Tolle's books, too.
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Lostatlantis (。) 于 (Tue Dec 27 00:13:10 2011, 美东) 提到:
Thanks! Merry merry everyday, my friend!
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Lostatlantis (。) 于 (Tue Dec 27 00:17:36 2011, 美东) 提到:
I am afraid that I might let you down if you do have expectations for my
comments, my dear.
最近是，随性地读，随时地想，每时每刻地活着，experience。唯独就是说的益发地少
了。总觉得，话一出口，就已经不是那个意思了，不如不说。尤其是一写下来，就更不
一样了。
r*t
3 楼
【 以下文字转载自 shopping 讨论区 】
发信人: rivulet (砌沙塔的小孩), 信区: shopping
标 题: 这个机器怎么样？
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Mon May 23 15:57:25 2011, 美东)
HP Pavilion dm4x Laptop, 2nd generation Intel Dual Core i5-2410M (2.3 GHz),
14.0" HD BrightView LED Display, 6GB Ram, 640GB HDD, 1GB Radeon HD 6470M
Graphics [HDMI, VGA], SuperMulti 8X DVD+/-R/RW with Double Layer, 802.11 b/g
/n, 6-cell, HD Webcam, Wireless Display Support, Windows 7 Home Premium
187; for $719.99 at HP Home & Home Office Store
http://www.deals2buy.com/deals/15jclaxf-hp-pavilion-dm4x-laptop
对HP不了解，前几年听说他们的笔记本有散热的问题，不知道现在怎么样了？
发信人: rivulet (砌沙塔的小孩), 信区: shopping
标 题: 这个机器怎么样？
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Mon May 23 15:57:25 2011, 美东)
HP Pavilion dm4x Laptop, 2nd generation Intel Dual Core i5-2410M (2.3 GHz),
14.0" HD BrightView LED Display, 6GB Ram, 640GB HDD, 1GB Radeon HD 6470M
Graphics [HDMI, VGA], SuperMulti 8X DVD+/-R/RW with Double Layer, 802.11 b/g
/n, 6-cell, HD Webcam, Wireless Display Support, Windows 7 Home Premium
187; for $719.99 at HP Home & Home Office Store
http://www.deals2buy.com/deals/15jclaxf-hp-pavilion-dm4x-laptop
对HP不了解，前几年听说他们的笔记本有散热的问题，不知道现在怎么样了？
s*r
4 楼
cong~
baozi~
lz神人啊，怎么做到的
baozi~
lz神人啊，怎么做到的
p*t
5 楼
珍惜生命，远离HP
当然，实在贪图便宜，那些$300左右的买回来用用也行，$700的就不用考虑了
,
/g
【在 r*****t 的大作中提到】
: 【 以下文字转载自 shopping 讨论区 】
: 发信人: rivulet (砌沙塔的小孩), 信区: shopping
: 标 题: 这个机器怎么样？
: 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Mon May 23 15:57:25 2011, 美东)
: HP Pavilion dm4x Laptop, 2nd generation Intel Dual Core i5-2410M (2.3 GHz),
: 14.0" HD BrightView LED Display, 6GB Ram, 640GB HDD, 1GB Radeon HD 6470M
: Graphics [HDMI, VGA], SuperMulti 8X DVD+/-R/RW with Double Layer, 802.11 b/g
: /n, 6-cell, HD Webcam, Wireless Display Support, Windows 7 Home Premium
: 187; for $719.99 at HP Home & Home Office Store
: http://www.deals2buy.com/deals/15jclaxf-hp-pavilion-dm4x-laptop
当然，实在贪图便宜，那些$300左右的买回来用用也行，$700的就不用考虑了
,
/g
【在 r*****t 的大作中提到】
: 【 以下文字转载自 shopping 讨论区 】
: 发信人: rivulet (砌沙塔的小孩), 信区: shopping
: 标 题: 这个机器怎么样？
: 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Mon May 23 15:57:25 2011, 美东)
: HP Pavilion dm4x Laptop, 2nd generation Intel Dual Core i5-2410M (2.3 GHz),
: 14.0" HD BrightView LED Display, 6GB Ram, 640GB HDD, 1GB Radeon HD 6470M
: Graphics [HDMI, VGA], SuperMulti 8X DVD+/-R/RW with Double Layer, 802.11 b/g
: /n, 6-cell, HD Webcam, Wireless Display Support, Windows 7 Home Premium
: 187; for $719.99 at HP Home & Home Office Store
: http://www.deals2buy.com/deals/15jclaxf-hp-pavilion-dm4x-laptop
b*d
6 楼
恭喜！
打过电话吗
打过电话吗
t*s
7 楼
dm做工还可以，散热差强人意吧，贵了一点
b*k
8 楼
你准备怎么在6月份内化掉4000块呢？头三个月还要再花掉2500块。
75k
【在 h*******d 的大作中提到】
: 收到club pin了，credit history 只有一年，score只有690。准备继续申citi AA 75k
: 了。
75k
【在 h*******d 的大作中提到】
: 收到club pin了，credit history 只有一年，score只有690。准备继续申citi AA 75k
: 了。
r*t
9 楼
多谢！
但这么夸张？具体说说，也涨点见识。
但这么夸张？具体说说，也涨点见识。
h*d
10 楼
为啥是在花掉2500呢？citi不是六个月 4000吗？
月均消费1000吧。
实在不行，买walmart gc呗，反正旁边的walmart就是我的grocery store，长期耗着
【在 b*******k 的大作中提到】
: 你准备怎么在6月份内化掉4000块呢？头三个月还要再花掉2500块。
:
: 75k
月均消费1000吧。
实在不行，买walmart gc呗，反正旁边的walmart就是我的grocery store，长期耗着
【在 b*******k 的大作中提到】
: 你准备怎么在6月份内化掉4000块呢？头三个月还要再花掉2500块。
:
: 75k
d*u
11 楼
亲身经历：远离HP，除非你能一直忍受巨烫无比的底座（CPU部分）以及永远不停止制
造噪音的风扇。当年买了个HP13寸的本，本来想上课做笔记或者出门旅行随身用，结果
那散热，放腿上估计没几分钟就要烫伤！风扇就更离谱了，光开个浏览器看个网页就狂
转，拿了一次去教室，课堂上就听见自己一个风扇在狂响，其他人侧目，你说下次还好
意思拿这破烂玩意么？
造噪音的风扇。当年买了个HP13寸的本，本来想上课做笔记或者出门旅行随身用，结果
那散热，放腿上估计没几分钟就要烫伤！风扇就更离谱了，光开个浏览器看个网页就狂
转，拿了一次去教室，课堂上就听见自己一个风扇在狂响，其他人侧目，你说下次还好
意思拿这破烂玩意么？
b*k
12 楼
Chase BA需要你头三个月花掉2500
【在 h*******d 的大作中提到】
: 为啥是在花掉2500呢？citi不是六个月 4000吗？
: 月均消费1000吧。
: 实在不行，买walmart gc呗，反正旁边的walmart就是我的grocery store，长期耗着
【在 h*******d 的大作中提到】
: 为啥是在花掉2500呢？citi不是六个月 4000吗？
: 月均消费1000吧。
: 实在不行，买walmart gc呗，反正旁边的walmart就是我的grocery store，长期耗着
h*d
13 楼
上周末申的，周三打了个 888-270-2127，但是说还pending了没下文了。今天发现收到
club pin了。
【在 b********d 的大作中提到】
: 恭喜！
: 打过电话吗
club pin了。
【在 b********d 的大作中提到】
: 恭喜！
: 打过电话吗
h*d
14 楼
sorry, 说错了，citi是六个月1500吧？两张卡，我一共只需要六个月花4000吧，对吧？
【在 b*******k 的大作中提到】
: Chase BA需要你头三个月花掉2500
【在 b*******k 的大作中提到】
: Chase BA需要你头三个月花掉2500
b*k
15 楼
citi aa是六个月4000。
你一共需要半年内花掉6500
吧？
【在 h*******d 的大作中提到】
: sorry, 说错了，citi是六个月1500吧？两张卡，我一共只需要六个月花4000吧，对吧？
你一共需要半年内花掉6500
吧？
【在 h*******d 的大作中提到】
: sorry, 说错了，citi是六个月1500吧？两张卡，我一共只需要六个月花4000吧，对吧？
h*d
16 楼
http://www.fatwallet.com/forums/finance/1025255/
这个链接说的1500啊，而且其他的贴也有1500一说。不知道哪个是对的了
【在 b*******k 的大作中提到】
: citi aa是六个月4000。
: 你一共需要半年内花掉6500
:
: 吧？
这个链接说的1500啊，而且其他的贴也有1500一说。不知道哪个是对的了
【在 b*******k 的大作中提到】
: citi aa是六个月4000。
: 你一共需要半年内花掉6500
:
: 吧？
b*k
17 楼
你这个链接点进去后说的是4个月花掉 4000
【在 h*******d 的大作中提到】
: http://www.fatwallet.com/forums/finance/1025255/
: 这个链接说的1500啊，而且其他的贴也有1500一说。不知道哪个是对的了
【在 h*******d 的大作中提到】
: http://www.fatwallet.com/forums/finance/1025255/
: 这个链接说的1500啊，而且其他的贴也有1500一说。不知道哪个是对的了
h*d
18 楼
点进去就是申请表格了……没看到怎么花钱的描述
【在 b*******k 的大作中提到】
: 你这个链接点进去后说的是4个月花掉 4000
【在 b*******k 的大作中提到】
: 你这个链接点进去后说的是4个月花掉 4000
q*2
19 楼
Those are two different programs. one has to spend $4000, the other only
need to spend $1500.both have same bonus miles. you need to call cs to get
the detail of your program.
【在 h*******d 的大作中提到】
: 点进去就是申请表格了……没看到怎么花钱的描述
need to spend $1500.both have same bonus miles. you need to call cs to get
the detail of your program.
【在 h*******d 的大作中提到】
: 点进去就是申请表格了……没看到怎么花钱的描述
p*n
20 楼
这个变了，不是原来的75k w/1500了，是50k w/ 4000了
x*g
21 楼
楼主为了攒你的人品继续申citi AA，发偶baozi吧：）
y*e
22 楼
本人觉得申信用卡和annual income也有很大关系， 如果楼主是F1学生, 没有30k+
income的话可能那就真牛逼了，呵呵。
income的话可能那就真牛逼了，呵呵。
i*n
23 楼
牛，看来还是credit history和hard pull有效
要休息半年了，hard太多，history太短。。。
要休息半年了，hard太多，history太短。。。
F*D
24 楼
你这么短的时间说score是没有意义，chase根本不是冲着你score才给你卡的，申到BA就
是运气。
75k
【在 h*******d 的大作中提到】
: 收到club pin了，credit history 只有一年，score只有690。准备继续申citi AA 75k
: 了。
是运气。
75k
【在 h*******d 的大作中提到】
: 收到club pin了，credit history 只有一年，score只有690。准备继续申citi AA 75k
: 了。
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