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mitbbs上面不懂装懂的人太多了，对付cps,还是看老外的吧

mitbbs上面不懂装懂的人太多了，对付cps,还是看老外的吧# NextGeneration - 我爱宝宝

s*l2012-01-15 08:01

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http://fightcps.com/2010/04/09/what-to-do-if-child-protective-s
这个文章写得还是对的。
没有warrant和court order，坚决不让进门。至于warrant和court order是什么，请参
考老外文章写得很清楚。
如果他们没有，还要坚决进门，也不要动枪。呵呵。人家不是绑匪，不会要你命，犯不
着。如果因为这个动枪，打死了谁都是大麻烦，就算你打死了别人，而且你无罪，还要
看陪审团，他们瞎判，你也没什么辙。打死了你，警官也没有死刑，还可能无罪，你犯
得着吗？
另外一个需要注意的是要全程录像，参考你们当地的法律，一般都是允许录像的。这是
一个重点，否则他们会胡说八道。
我觉得还要拒绝回答任何实质性问题，我们有权利保持沉默。回答问题只能给人家提供
借口。另外坚决不让他们看孩子，不让他们看家里的情况。（如果你家里较乱，这也是
他们的借口）。
准备一份当地法律的复印件更好。
要时刻记得CPS就是别人雇来找你罪名的，只要能把事情弄大，他们就能挣钱，否则他
们就要丢掉工作。这是真的！

a*n2012-01-15 08:01

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我问一句哈，社工跟警察性质不一样吧，假如都没有搜查令，是不是可以拒绝社工进门，但如果警察请你开门让他们进去你就必须配合啊？

H*H2012-01-15 08:01

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警察也需要搜查令的。这个看过犯罪剧集的人应该都有所了解。

门，但如果警察请你开门让他们进去你就必须配合啊？

【在 a****n 的大作中提到】

:
: 我问一句哈，社工跟警察性质不一样吧，假如都没有搜查令，是不是可以拒绝社工进门，但如果警察请你开门让他们进去你就必须配合啊？

f*u2012-01-15 08:01

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警察和社工的情况不同，但社工去ghetto办公往往会拉上警察的。
这是印地安那州去年的一𠆤法庭判例，不知是否会上诉到最高法院？
其中这句最TMD精釆：＂David said a person arrested
following an unlawful entry by police still can be released on bail and has
plenty of opportunities to protest the illegal entry through the court "
Indiana Supreme Court Rules Police Can Enter Home Without Warrant
Indiana Supreme Court overturned a common law dating back to the English
Magna Carta of 1215, the Indiana Supreme Court ruled Thursday that Hoosiers
have no right to resist unlawful police entry into their homes. EA Worldview
reports in a 3-2 decision, Justice Steven David writing for the court said
if a police officer wants to enter a home for any reason or no reason at all
, a homeowner cannot do anything to block the officer’s entry. “We believe
… a right to resist an unlawful police entry into a home is against public
policy and is incompatible with modern Fourth Amendment jurisprudence,”
David said. “We also find that allowing resistance unnecessarily escalates
the level of violence and therefore the risk of injuries to all parties
involved without preventing the arrest.” David said a person arrested
following an unlawful entry by police still can be released on bail and has
plenty of opportunities to protest the illegal entry through the court
system.
The court’s decision stems from a Vanderburgh County case in which police
were called to investigate a husband and wife arguing outside their
apartment.
When the couple went back inside their apartment, the husband told police
they were not needed and blocked the doorway so they could not enter. When
an officer entered anyway, the husband shoved the officer against a wall. A
second officer then used a stun gun on the husband and arrested him.
Professor Ivan Bodensteiner, of Valparaiso University School of Law, said
the court’s decision is consistent with the idea of preventing violence.
“It’s not surprising that they would say there’s no right to beat the
hell out of the officer,” Bodensteiner said. “(The court is saying) we
would rather opt on the side of saying if the police act wrongfully in
entering your house your remedy is under law, to bring a civil action
against the officer.”
Justice Robert Rucker, a Gary native, and Justice Brent Dickson, a Hobart
native, dissented from the ruling, saying the court’s decision runs afoul
of the Fourth Amendment of the U.S. Constitution.
“In my view the majority sweeps with far too broad a brush by essentially
telling Indiana citizens that government agents may now enter their homes
illegally — that is, without the necessity of a warrant, consent or exigent
circumstances,” Rucker said. “I disagree.”
Rucker and Dickson suggested if the court had limited its permission for
police entry to domestic violence situations they would have supported the
ruling.
But Dickson said, “The wholesale abrogation of the historic right of a
person to reasonably resist unlawful police entry into his dwelling is
unwarranted and unnecessarily broad.”
This is the second major Indiana Supreme Court ruling this week involving
police entry into a home.
On Tuesday, the court said police serving a warrant may enter a home without
knocking if officers decide circumstances justify it. Prior to that ruling,
police serving a warrant would have to obtain a judge’s permission to
enter without knocking.

s*l2012-01-15 08:01

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都不让进啊。

门，但如果警察请你开门让他们进去你就必须配合啊？

【在 a****n 的大作中提到】

:
: 我问一句哈，社工跟警察性质不一样吧，假如都没有搜查令，是不是可以拒绝社工进门，但如果警察请你开门让他们进去你就必须配合啊？