b*d
2 楼
这个大的bill,harry reid一定会要求走常规途径,就是所有的amendment都要60票通过.
h*3
3 楼
有戏!可能是让director做最后决定把。。。bless!
m*k
6 楼
很可惜你猜错了:
The measure is likely to pass because Democrats face pressure from gay
rights advocates to deal with it in committee, rather than on the Senate
floor, where the odds of passage are far less favorable.
Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Patrick Leahy (D-Vt.) has told advocates
that he will offer an amendment during the bill markup next week allowing
gay Americans to sponsor their foreign-born partners for green cards
过.
【在 b*****d 的大作中提到】
: 这个大的bill,harry reid一定会要求走常规途径,就是所有的amendment都要60票通过.
The measure is likely to pass because Democrats face pressure from gay
rights advocates to deal with it in committee, rather than on the Senate
floor, where the odds of passage are far less favorable.
Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Patrick Leahy (D-Vt.) has told advocates
that he will offer an amendment during the bill markup next week allowing
gay Americans to sponsor their foreign-born partners for green cards
过.
【在 b*****d 的大作中提到】
: 这个大的bill,harry reid一定会要求走常规途径,就是所有的amendment都要60票通过.
w*c
9 楼
最后拿到了么?
d*r
11 楼
bless
b*d
12 楼
这说的是通过judicial committee.这个只是简单的多数,就能过.但是harry reid是可
以把这条去掉的.仔细研究一下控抢里面的禁半自动步枪.health care里面的public
option.
advocates
【在 m***k 的大作中提到】
: 很可惜你猜错了:
: The measure is likely to pass because Democrats face pressure from gay
: rights advocates to deal with it in committee, rather than on the Senate
: floor, where the odds of passage are far less favorable.
: Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Patrick Leahy (D-Vt.) has told advocates
: that he will offer an amendment during the bill markup next week allowing
: gay Americans to sponsor their foreign-born partners for green cards
:
: 过.
以把这条去掉的.仔细研究一下控抢里面的禁半自动步枪.health care里面的public
option.
advocates
【在 m***k 的大作中提到】
: 很可惜你猜错了:
: The measure is likely to pass because Democrats face pressure from gay
: rights advocates to deal with it in committee, rather than on the Senate
: floor, where the odds of passage are far less favorable.
: Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Patrick Leahy (D-Vt.) has told advocates
: that he will offer an amendment during the bill markup next week allowing
: gay Americans to sponsor their foreign-born partners for green cards
:
: 过.
n*r
13 楼
看了一下,好像是在Judiciary Committee里面只要简单多数就能够通过成为bill
的amendment。
advocates
【在 m***k 的大作中提到】
: 很可惜你猜错了:
: The measure is likely to pass because Democrats face pressure from gay
: rights advocates to deal with it in committee, rather than on the Senate
: floor, where the odds of passage are far less favorable.
: Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Patrick Leahy (D-Vt.) has told advocates
: that he will offer an amendment during the bill markup next week allowing
: gay Americans to sponsor their foreign-born partners for green cards
:
: 过.
的amendment。
advocates
【在 m***k 的大作中提到】
: 很可惜你猜错了:
: The measure is likely to pass because Democrats face pressure from gay
: rights advocates to deal with it in committee, rather than on the Senate
: floor, where the odds of passage are far less favorable.
: Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Patrick Leahy (D-Vt.) has told advocates
: that he will offer an amendment during the bill markup next week allowing
: gay Americans to sponsor their foreign-born partners for green cards
:
: 过.
a*a
14 楼
committee的markup还是要作为amendment到floor去投票的。senator在floor也可以在
amendment上再加amendment.
advocates
【在 m***k 的大作中提到】
: 很可惜你猜错了:
: The measure is likely to pass because Democrats face pressure from gay
: rights advocates to deal with it in committee, rather than on the Senate
: floor, where the odds of passage are far less favorable.
: Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Patrick Leahy (D-Vt.) has told advocates
: that he will offer an amendment during the bill markup next week allowing
: gay Americans to sponsor their foreign-born partners for green cards
:
: 过.
amendment上再加amendment.
advocates
【在 m***k 的大作中提到】
: 很可惜你猜错了:
: The measure is likely to pass because Democrats face pressure from gay
: rights advocates to deal with it in committee, rather than on the Senate
: floor, where the odds of passage are far less favorable.
: Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Patrick Leahy (D-Vt.) has told advocates
: that he will offer an amendment during the bill markup next week allowing
: gay Americans to sponsor their foreign-born partners for green cards
:
: 过.
a*a
19 楼
amendment先投票,不过,就不加到最后的bill里,过了就加进去。
所有的amendment都处理了,三读,然后整个bill再投票。
比如gun control bill,在background check上作了妥协的amendment先挂掉了,那就
是说原来的bill更没希望通过,所以最后整个bill就搁置了。同时挂掉还有很多更激进
的amendment,但是那些都是表明立场的,不通过对最后的bill也没有影响。
同性恋条款,首先八人帮里的GOP都不支持,所以就算dem加进去,到floor上能拿到60
票的可能极小。如果加进去,还有一个是不是要极力push的问题,push的太多,可能把
整个bill都拖进去,dem要算计后果如何。
【在 n********r 的大作中提到】
: 某个amendment不过的话,会影响bill的通过吗?
:
: 过.
所有的amendment都处理了,三读,然后整个bill再投票。
比如gun control bill,在background check上作了妥协的amendment先挂掉了,那就
是说原来的bill更没希望通过,所以最后整个bill就搁置了。同时挂掉还有很多更激进
的amendment,但是那些都是表明立场的,不通过对最后的bill也没有影响。
同性恋条款,首先八人帮里的GOP都不支持,所以就算dem加进去,到floor上能拿到60
票的可能极小。如果加进去,还有一个是不是要极力push的问题,push的太多,可能把
整个bill都拖进去,dem要算计后果如何。
【在 n********r 的大作中提到】
: 某个amendment不过的话,会影响bill的通过吗?
:
: 过.
n*r
21 楼
这部分投票是Judiciary Committee内部投的?
60
【在 a****a 的大作中提到】
: amendment先投票,不过,就不加到最后的bill里,过了就加进去。
: 所有的amendment都处理了,三读,然后整个bill再投票。
: 比如gun control bill,在background check上作了妥协的amendment先挂掉了,那就
: 是说原来的bill更没希望通过,所以最后整个bill就搁置了。同时挂掉还有很多更激进
: 的amendment,但是那些都是表明立场的,不通过对最后的bill也没有影响。
: 同性恋条款,首先八人帮里的GOP都不支持,所以就算dem加进去,到floor上能拿到60
: 票的可能极小。如果加进去,还有一个是不是要极力push的问题,push的太多,可能把
: 整个bill都拖进去,dem要算计后果如何。
a*a
24 楼
Once a bill or resolution is before the Senate, it is subject to the
amendatory process, both by the committee reporting it and by individual
Senators offering amendments from the floor. A committee amendment reported
as a total substitute (striking all after the enacting clause and inserting
new language for the entire bill) for the pending measure is always voted on
last, inasmuch as once a total substitute is agreed to, further amendments
are precluded. With this exception, however, committee amendments take
priority and are considered in order as they appear in the printed copy of
the measure before the Senate. The only amendments from the floor in order
during the consideration of these committee amendments are amendments to the
committee amendments or sometimes to the part of the bill the committee
amendments would affect.
Once the committee amendments have been disposed of, however, any Senator
may propose amendments to any part of the bill not already amended, and
while an amendment is pending, an amendment to the amendment is in order. By
precedent, an amendment to an amendment to an amendment, being an amendment
in the third degree, is not in order. However, the first amendment in the
nature of a substitute for a bill, whether reported by a committee or
offered by an individual Senator, is considered an original question and is
amendable in two more degrees.
【在 n********r 的大作中提到】
:
: 这部分投票是Judiciary Committee内部投的?
: 60
amendatory process, both by the committee reporting it and by individual
Senators offering amendments from the floor. A committee amendment reported
as a total substitute (striking all after the enacting clause and inserting
new language for the entire bill) for the pending measure is always voted on
last, inasmuch as once a total substitute is agreed to, further amendments
are precluded. With this exception, however, committee amendments take
priority and are considered in order as they appear in the printed copy of
the measure before the Senate. The only amendments from the floor in order
during the consideration of these committee amendments are amendments to the
committee amendments or sometimes to the part of the bill the committee
amendments would affect.
Once the committee amendments have been disposed of, however, any Senator
may propose amendments to any part of the bill not already amended, and
while an amendment is pending, an amendment to the amendment is in order. By
precedent, an amendment to an amendment to an amendment, being an amendment
in the third degree, is not in order. However, the first amendment in the
nature of a substitute for a bill, whether reported by a committee or
offered by an individual Senator, is considered an original question and is
amendable in two more degrees.
【在 n********r 的大作中提到】
:
: 这部分投票是Judiciary Committee内部投的?
: 60
b*d
25 楼
多谢科普.这段读起来倒是挺费劲的.
reported
inserting
on
amendments
the
【在 a****a 的大作中提到】
: Once a bill or resolution is before the Senate, it is subject to the
: amendatory process, both by the committee reporting it and by individual
: Senators offering amendments from the floor. A committee amendment reported
: as a total substitute (striking all after the enacting clause and inserting
: new language for the entire bill) for the pending measure is always voted on
: last, inasmuch as once a total substitute is agreed to, further amendments
: are precluded. With this exception, however, committee amendments take
: priority and are considered in order as they appear in the printed copy of
: the measure before the Senate. The only amendments from the floor in order
: during the consideration of these committee amendments are amendments to the
reported
inserting
on
amendments
the
【在 a****a 的大作中提到】
: Once a bill or resolution is before the Senate, it is subject to the
: amendatory process, both by the committee reporting it and by individual
: Senators offering amendments from the floor. A committee amendment reported
: as a total substitute (striking all after the enacting clause and inserting
: new language for the entire bill) for the pending measure is always voted on
: last, inasmuch as once a total substitute is agreed to, further amendments
: are precluded. With this exception, however, committee amendments take
: priority and are considered in order as they appear in the printed copy of
: the measure before the Senate. The only amendments from the floor in order
: during the consideration of these committee amendments are amendments to the
a*a
26 楼
floor先投committee amendment,或者其衍生amendment;然后senator可以在floor上加
amendment,再对这些floor amendment及其衍生amendment投票。amendment in the
nature of substitute最后投票。(如果有amendment in the nature of substitute
,所有的amendment都是针对这个substitute的,而不在是针对初始bill的。)
所以我不太明白为啥LGBT的支持者认为在comittee搞amendment成功的可能性比较大,
因为所有的amendment还是要到floor投票的。而LGBT条款过floor的机会很小。
【在 b*****d 的大作中提到】
: 多谢科普.这段读起来倒是挺费劲的.
:
: reported
: inserting
: on
: amendments
: the
amendment,再对这些floor amendment及其衍生amendment投票。amendment in the
nature of substitute最后投票。(如果有amendment in the nature of substitute
,所有的amendment都是针对这个substitute的,而不在是针对初始bill的。)
所以我不太明白为啥LGBT的支持者认为在comittee搞amendment成功的可能性比较大,
因为所有的amendment还是要到floor投票的。而LGBT条款过floor的机会很小。
【在 b*****d 的大作中提到】
: 多谢科普.这段读起来倒是挺费劲的.
:
: reported
: inserting
: on
: amendments
: the
b*d
27 楼
LGBT条款过floor的机会是0.
substitute
【在 a****a 的大作中提到】
: floor先投committee amendment,或者其衍生amendment;然后senator可以在floor上加
: amendment,再对这些floor amendment及其衍生amendment投票。amendment in the
: nature of substitute最后投票。(如果有amendment in the nature of substitute
: ,所有的amendment都是针对这个substitute的,而不在是针对初始bill的。)
: 所以我不太明白为啥LGBT的支持者认为在comittee搞amendment成功的可能性比较大,
: 因为所有的amendment还是要到floor投票的。而LGBT条款过floor的机会很小。
substitute
【在 a****a 的大作中提到】
: floor先投committee amendment,或者其衍生amendment;然后senator可以在floor上加
: amendment,再对这些floor amendment及其衍生amendment投票。amendment in the
: nature of substitute最后投票。(如果有amendment in the nature of substitute
: ,所有的amendment都是针对这个substitute的,而不在是针对初始bill的。)
: 所以我不太明白为啥LGBT的支持者认为在comittee搞amendment成功的可能性比较大,
: 因为所有的amendment还是要到floor投票的。而LGBT条款过floor的机会很小。
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