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y*r2012-06-26 07:06

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Since there is no warranty on this computer thru dell that is a problem. I
bought a new computer from you! This is not new there is NO manufacturer
warranty the warranty is expired. Please send me a paid return tag so I can
return this computer to you for my FULL refund. If I do not get this I will
contact amazon directly to discuss these problem.
怪我还是怪她？

k*82012-06-26 07:06

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http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2012/06/25/a-con-man-who-lives-betw
Former hedge fund manager Samuel Israel III after a hearing in 2008 in
Massachusetts, ordering him to return to New York.
BUTNER, N.C. — “I’m a proven liar. Don’t believe anything I say.”
That was what Samuel Israel III told me last week. He is the hedge fund
manager convicted of running a $450 million Ponzi scheme who faked his own
suicide in the summer of 2008 to avoid his prison sentence before turning
himself in after a worldwide manhunt.
He was sitting across from me in the visiting center of the Butner prison
complex, about 45 minutes north of Raleigh in eastern North Carolina. (
Bernard L. Madoff is in the same complex.)
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Mr. Israel, 52, who is serving a 22-year sentence, was wearing a tan prison
uniform with his hair grown out, a mass of silver and brown curls sprouting
from the sides of his bald head. (“I’m never going to cut it until I get
out,” he exclaimed.)
I was there to talk to him because his story is a cautionary tale of the
highly sophisticated, often endemic, fraud that still lurks on Wall Street.
People I spoke with who dealt with him are still mystified about the breach
of trust and how no one had a clue about his deception until it was too late.
“Everyone cheats,” he said as a matter of fact.
“I’m not a liar,” he insisted, affably. “I became a liar.”
I flew down to visit Mr. Israel after reading an advance copy of a book
about him that is coming out in two weeks, “Octopus: Sam Israel, the Secret
Market, and Wall Street’s Wildest Con” by Guy Lawson (Crown). I was
riveted by Mr. Lawson’s telling of Mr. Israel’s bizarre conduct —
sometimes genius and often sickening.
Here’s a quick recap of his sordid story: A native of New Orleans who is
the grandson of a well-known commodities trader on Wall Street, he started
Bayou Hedge Fund Group in 1996 and quickly became a rising star, amassing
money from some of the most-respected investors on Wall Street based on the
firm’s trading track record. Bayou traded through, among other firms, a
unit of Goldman Sachs. There was only one problem: the firm’s profits were
fictitious. Completely made up. In truth, Bayou consistently lost money. The
firm’s accounting firm, which blessed Mr. Israel’s numbers in letters to
investors, was also fictitious. Mr. Israel and his partners created the
accounting shop out of thin air, including its stationery and logo.
After the fraud unraveled in 2005 as his losses mounted and investors
demanded their money, Mr. Israel pleaded guilty. But after he was sentenced
to 20 years in prison (the sentence was extended after his efforts to avoid
prison), he faked his suicide on Bear Mountain just north of Manhattan,
leaving his GMC Envoy on a bridge after writing “Suicide is Painless” in
dust on the hood. He was on the run for two months during which, he now says
, he tried to commit suicide for real, but failed. He told me he turned
himself in after he saw himself on TV and was struck by how many people he
had truly hurt. “I was watching America’s Most Wanted and I see me!” he
said. “I said, ‘Oh my god!’ ”
His girlfriend, Debra Ryan, had been arrested on charges of helping him with
his escape plan. “I have so many regrets but my biggest is ruining this
poor girl’s life. The only reason they screwed her was to get to me — and
it worked. I knew they were coming for my mother next.” (Ms. Ryan plead
guilty and was sentenced to house arrest.)
So how did Mr. Israel’s fraud begin?
He said building a fraud was never the plan. (It never is.) Early on, he
said the firm had made a series of losing trades. He was willing to lie to
his investors — which he claimed was his partners’ idea — because he
thought that by the next quarter he would be able to make back a profit.
“I thought, ‘I can make this back.’ I wasn’t worried in the least,” he
said. “I was a good trader. I was a workaholic.” He added: “Was it hard
to lie in the beginning? No. Did it get harder? Yes. I lived with this beast
every day. I lived with ‘the hole.’ It was awful. It was the worst
feeling in the world.”
Yet he continued to lose — and lie, compounding lies upon more elaborate
lies.
At one of his lowest moments, he said, he chased what he believed was a “
secret market” supposedly run by the Federal Reserve in order to make back
the lost money for investors. Along the way, he fell in with a con man, and
of course, never was able to return any money to investors.
The story is mind-boggling. But it raises the question of why no one saw the
red flags.
The Securities and Exchange Commission, Mr. Israel said, “could not bother
to go through everything with a fine-tooth comb because they did not have
the manpower to do so.” He said that only six months before the firm’s
collapse the S.E.C. had looked at its trading and “they did not see
anything wrong.”
Goldman Sachs’s execution and clearing unit, formerly known as Spear Leeds
& Kellogg, which cleared trades for Bayou, was fined $20.6 million by the
Financial Industry Regulatory Authority for not spotting the fraud. The firm
is appealing the decision.
“Are there similar frauds going on today?” Mr. Israel asked. “I am most
sure there are.”
What, I asked him, can an investor do to avoid being conned by the next
Samuel Israel?
“Seek as much transparency as possible,” he said. “If they do not
understand exactly how a manager is making money, do not invest. If there is
a secret process that cannot be explained, run. Go see the organization
yourself, talk to the employees. The manager cannot see everyone or he could
not be making money; if he has all the time in the world for you, that is a
flag.”
Mr. Israel is a good salesman, even in prison. It is clear why he was able
to get away with his fraud for as long as he did. He is likable; he likes to
tell you about his mistakes and acts as if he has known you forever. When I
first sat down to talk with him, he offered me an orange Life Saver. When
he mentioned Mr. Madoff, he leaned in to confide — as if we were best
friends — that the Butner grapevine had it Mr. Madoff was “a terrible guy.
Not a nice dude.”
About halfway through, the interview turned bizarre when Mr. Israel, on the
verge of crying, announced: “I took a man’s life. I shot him twice.”
I asked for more details. The story is recounted in “Octopus,” but the
author, Mr. Lawson, doesn’t appear to believe it. In the supposed slaying,
Mr. Israel describes himself defending a known con man, Robert Booth Nichols
, who claimed to have once worked for the Central Intelligence Agency and
has since died. Mr. Nichols was undertaking a secret trade at a German bank
and was ambushed outside by a cockeyed “Middle Eastern guy.” Mr. Israel
says he shot the ambusher in the hip and then in the head.
He looked at me, shaking, and said, “I’ve seen someone with their head
blown off maybe two feet back — as close as I am to you.”
Mr. Israel recognized my skepticism. When I asked him what happened to the
body, he said, “Bob made a couple of calls.”
Again, I looked at him quizzically.
“These people can do anything. They can get rid of a body,” he said. “
Come on,” he added, looking at me as if I didn’t understand. “They can
kill presidents.”
I wasn’t sure what he was talking about. “The J.F.K. thing,” he said. He
went on to tell me that he had videotapes of Kennedy’s assassination and
that one was stolen by the F.B.I. “I know it makes me look like a crackpot,
” he said. “But I know it’s real. Look into my eyes — I don’t care if
people think I’m crazy.”
When I asked Mr. Lawson what to make of Mr. Israel’s more adventurous
stories, he told me: “I don’t think he’s lying. But that doesn’t mean he
’s telling the truth.”
Mr. Lawson holds out the possibility that a murder was staged in Hamburg.
But, he said, Mr. Israel “believes J.F.K. was assassinated by the C.I.A. I
don’t.” The author added: “That’s the nature of confidence games — it
becomes impossible to tell where the truth ends and deception begins.”
My conversation with Mr. Israel left me with a sense that at some level Wall
Street, too, is a confidence game. Investors are sometimes too busy looking
for profits to notice where the truth ends and the deception begins.

s*k2012-06-26 07:06

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怪你

can
will

【在 y***r 的大作中提到】

: Since there is no warranty on this computer thru dell that is a problem. I
: bought a new computer from you! This is not new there is NO manufacturer
: warranty the warranty is expired. Please send me a paid return tag so I can
: return this computer to you for my FULL refund. If I do not get this I will
: contact amazon directly to discuss these problem.
: 怪我还是怪她？

k*82012-06-26 07:06

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长得是不是有点像大本?

y*r2012-06-26 07:06

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电脑过了warranty，就不算新的了吗？
这个官司打到amazon，我能赢吧？谁有类似经验给说说？

【在 s******k 的大作中提到】

: 怪你
:
: can
: will

s*t2012-06-26 07:06

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原来是这个家伙。我依稀记得2008年有hedge fund头头自杀（失踪），
然后就没有再follow up过这个事情。

【在 k********8 的大作中提到】

: http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2012/06/25/a-con-man-who-lives-betw
: Former hedge fund manager Samuel Israel III after a hearing in 2008 in
: Massachusetts, ordering him to return to New York.
: BUTNER, N.C. — “I’m a proven liar. Don’t believe anything I say.”
: That was what Samuel Israel III told me last week. He is the hedge fund
: manager convicted of running a $450 million Ponzi scheme who faked his own
: suicide in the summer of 2008 to avoid his prison sentence before turning
: himself in after a worldwide manhunt.
: He was sitting across from me in the visiting center of the Butner prison
: complex, about 45 minutes north of Raleigh in eastern North Carolina. (

s*k2012-06-26 07:06

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到amazon你必定输

【在 y***r 的大作中提到】

: 电脑过了warranty，就不算新的了吗？
: 这个官司打到amazon，我能赢吧？谁有类似经验给说说？

i*22012-06-26 07:06

8 楼

都是犹太人，当然象了。

【在 k********8 的大作中提到】

: 长得是不是有点像大本?

w*d2012-06-26 07:06

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花xx刀买个warranty吧，估计病人还是不干。。。

【在 s******k 的大作中提到】

: 到amazon你必定输

b*n2012-06-26 07:06

10 楼

收回来自用吧

can
will

【在 y***r 的大作中提到】

Y*a2012-06-26 07:06

11 楼

只能给label，除非一开始就有写清楚

y*r2012-06-26 07:06

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我让她退了，她得寸进尺，还找我要label了。
搞的我不爽。

【在 b***n 的大作中提到】

: 收回来自用吧
:
: can
: will

x*92012-06-26 07:06

13 楼

应该说明是new without warranty
不过我也从来没写过

p*e2012-06-26 07:06

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Warranty是必须的吗？我怎么不知道？

S*e2012-06-26 07:06

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如果你是买新的，难道你会希望东西买来是没有waranty？
将心比心

【在 p***e 的大作中提到】

: Warranty是必须的吗？我怎么不知道？

e*d2012-06-26 07:06

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想要warranty就别在third party seller买呗

【在 S******e 的大作中提到】

:
: 如果你是买新的，难道你会希望东西买来是没有waranty？
: 将心比心

d*r2012-06-26 07:06

17 楼

不怕az就死扛，就说要退就restocking fee，不退就需要buyer自己去update warranty
，amz 不见得会判你输。

s*d2012-06-26 07:06

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不懂，帮顶。

y*r2012-06-26 07:06

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回信了，决定强对！
We shipped you a brand new, factory sealed Laptop.
Everything is as described. We did nothing wrong for this transaction.
If you want to return, please send it back and 20% restocking fee will be
charged for open box return. We will not pay return shipping fee since we
did nothing wrong.

y*r2012-06-26 07:06

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病人回复了：
“
Why does it not have a manufacture warranty!!
”
我该怎么说？

【在 y***r 的大作中提到】

: 回信了，决定强对！
: We shipped you a brand new, factory sealed Laptop.
: Everything is as described. We did nothing wrong for this transaction.
: If you want to return, please send it back and 20% restocking fee will be
: charged for open box return. We will not pay return shipping fee since we
: did nothing wrong.

d*r2012-06-26 07:06

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This question i will just ignore it.

【在 y***r 的大作中提到】

: 病人回复了：
: “
: Why does it not have a manufacture warranty!!
: ”
: 我该怎么说？