w*1
2 楼
Thu, 05 Jul 2012 07:52:39 PDT
Late last month, federal judge Richard Posner threw out one of the major U.S
. cases in the ongoing patent battle between Apple and Motorola, and Reuters
today publishes an interesting interview with Posner in which he discusses
his view that patents have become too widely used and suggests that there
may not be a need for software patents at all.
Noting his belief that software and other industries do not require the same
level of patent protection as industries like pharmaceuticals where
hundreds of millions of dollars are spent to develop a single protected
product, Posner indicates individual software advances require much less
economic investment and much of the benefit is gained simply by being first
to market.
"It's not clear that we really need patents in most industries," he said.
Also, devices like smartphones have thousands of component features, and
they all receive legal protection.
"You just have this proliferation of patents," Posner said. "It's a problem."
In Posner's ruling last month, he noted that Apple's patent on smooth
operation of streaming video was in no way a monopoly on all streaming video
and that barring an entire product over a single feature would be harmful
to consumers. Posner also ruled against Motorola in its efforts to ban the
iPhone over standards-essential patents that were to be licensed under fair,
reasonable and non-discriminatory (FRAND) terms.
Apple is of course involved in intellectual property disputes with a number
of companies, with the cases including both software patents and design
rights. Just this week, a ban on U.S. sales of the Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1
and Galaxy Nexus went into effect as Apple won preliminary injunctions, but
the company also experienced setbacks in its battle with HTC in recent days.
In those cases, both the U.S. International Trade Commission and a UK
court ruled in HTC's favor, with the UK judge ruling that several of Apple's
patents including one covering the "slide-to-unlock" feature are invalid in
that country.
Late last month, federal judge Richard Posner threw out one of the major U.S
. cases in the ongoing patent battle between Apple and Motorola, and Reuters
today publishes an interesting interview with Posner in which he discusses
his view that patents have become too widely used and suggests that there
may not be a need for software patents at all.
Noting his belief that software and other industries do not require the same
level of patent protection as industries like pharmaceuticals where
hundreds of millions of dollars are spent to develop a single protected
product, Posner indicates individual software advances require much less
economic investment and much of the benefit is gained simply by being first
to market.
"It's not clear that we really need patents in most industries," he said.
Also, devices like smartphones have thousands of component features, and
they all receive legal protection.
"You just have this proliferation of patents," Posner said. "It's a problem."
In Posner's ruling last month, he noted that Apple's patent on smooth
operation of streaming video was in no way a monopoly on all streaming video
and that barring an entire product over a single feature would be harmful
to consumers. Posner also ruled against Motorola in its efforts to ban the
iPhone over standards-essential patents that were to be licensed under fair,
reasonable and non-discriminatory (FRAND) terms.
Apple is of course involved in intellectual property disputes with a number
of companies, with the cases including both software patents and design
rights. Just this week, a ban on U.S. sales of the Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1
and Galaxy Nexus went into effect as Apple won preliminary injunctions, but
the company also experienced setbacks in its battle with HTC in recent days.
In those cases, both the U.S. International Trade Commission and a UK
court ruled in HTC's favor, with the UK judge ruling that several of Apple's
patents including one covering the "slide-to-unlock" feature are invalid in
that country.
w*g
3 楼
cool.
this one is also nice
【在 a**e 的大作中提到】
this one is also nice
【在 a**e 的大作中提到】
w*2
4 楼
is this judge a joke?
no need patent?
.S
Reuters
discusses
same
【在 w********1 的大作中提到】
: Thu, 05 Jul 2012 07:52:39 PDT
: Late last month, federal judge Richard Posner threw out one of the major U.S
: . cases in the ongoing patent battle between Apple and Motorola, and Reuters
: today publishes an interesting interview with Posner in which he discusses
: his view that patents have become too widely used and suggests that there
: may not be a need for software patents at all.
: Noting his belief that software and other industries do not require the same
: level of patent protection as industries like pharmaceuticals where
: hundreds of millions of dollars are spent to develop a single protected
: product, Posner indicates individual software advances require much less
no need patent?
.S
Reuters
discusses
same
【在 w********1 的大作中提到】
: Thu, 05 Jul 2012 07:52:39 PDT
: Late last month, federal judge Richard Posner threw out one of the major U.S
: . cases in the ongoing patent battle between Apple and Motorola, and Reuters
: today publishes an interesting interview with Posner in which he discusses
: his view that patents have become too widely used and suggests that there
: may not be a need for software patents at all.
: Noting his belief that software and other industries do not require the same
: level of patent protection as industries like pharmaceuticals where
: hundreds of millions of dollars are spent to develop a single protected
: product, Posner indicates individual software advances require much less
a*e
5 楼
【在 w*******g 的大作中提到】
: cool.
: this one is also nice
e*l
6 楼
没有software patent，苹果会专心致志研发产品，而不是花大笔的钱去打没完没了的
官司，感觉都有点无赖了。这个cook除的开发新产品，别的都很卖力。
官司，感觉都有点无赖了。这个cook除的开发新产品，别的都很卖力。
l*n
7 楼
patent is fully necessary for small guys to survive. the other day, people
were talking about that OS vendors stole ideas from application developers.
if those ideas are patentable, there would be a better chance for small
guys.
on the other hand, those big companies are surely trying to jam/game the
system. Money talks. it has been like that for thousands of years.
personally, i fully support open patent platform that USPTO was/is testing.
hopefully, it will be reality soon.
【在 w********2 的大作中提到】
: is this judge a joke?
: no need patent?
:
: .S
: Reuters
: discusses
: same
were talking about that OS vendors stole ideas from application developers.
if those ideas are patentable, there would be a better chance for small
guys.
on the other hand, those big companies are surely trying to jam/game the
system. Money talks. it has been like that for thousands of years.
personally, i fully support open patent platform that USPTO was/is testing.
hopefully, it will be reality soon.
【在 w********2 的大作中提到】
: is this judge a joke?
: no need patent?
:
: .S
: Reuters
: discusses
: same
a*y
8 楼
是啊，狗狗有钱，人手也多，抄得也快，我不知道如果狗狗可以随便抄，是否系统就更
公正了？没了苹果狗狗怎么继续创新？就像微软，没得抄的话，进步真的很缓慢。
people
.
.
【在 l**n 的大作中提到】
: patent is fully necessary for small guys to survive. the other day, people
: were talking about that OS vendors stole ideas from application developers.
: if those ideas are patentable, there would be a better chance for small
: guys.
: on the other hand, those big companies are surely trying to jam/game the
: system. Money talks. it has been like that for thousands of years.
: personally, i fully support open patent platform that USPTO was/is testing.
: hopefully, it will be reality soon.
公正了？没了苹果狗狗怎么继续创新？就像微软，没得抄的话，进步真的很缓慢。
people
.
.
【在 l**n 的大作中提到】
: patent is fully necessary for small guys to survive. the other day, people
: were talking about that OS vendors stole ideas from application developers.
: if those ideas are patentable, there would be a better chance for small
: guys.
: on the other hand, those big companies are surely trying to jam/game the
: system. Money talks. it has been like that for thousands of years.
: personally, i fully support open patent platform that USPTO was/is testing.
: hopefully, it will be reality soon.
l*n
9 楼
谷歌的强项也是他的问题所在。面铺的太开，几乎和所有的IT vendor竞争。做
business还是应该有所取舍的。
【在 a***y 的大作中提到】
: 是啊，狗狗有钱，人手也多，抄得也快，我不知道如果狗狗可以随便抄，是否系统就更
: 公正了？没了苹果狗狗怎么继续创新？就像微软，没得抄的话，进步真的很缓慢。
:
: people
: .
: .
business还是应该有所取舍的。
【在 a***y 的大作中提到】
: 是啊，狗狗有钱，人手也多，抄得也快，我不知道如果狗狗可以随便抄，是否系统就更
: 公正了？没了苹果狗狗怎么继续创新？就像微软，没得抄的话，进步真的很缓慢。
:
: people
: .
: .
w*2
10 楼
狗后面的进展速度快不全是抄的问题。
一个是狗在android 上的business model leverage 了硬件厂商的资源，
一个是狗的开发方式更加现代和open，果子的相来有保密性，对于新产品发布会有好处
，但升级就会慢了。狗的开发方式更快出新的版本，fix等等，也更快搜集用户反馈。
还有的就是狗的人才和技术积累比较diversify，mobile 应用作为一个“新方向”，他
们可以轻易拿来自己已经有的很多技术整合，数据中心也是最强的了，资源可以说是随
叫随到。
微软是公司政治问题，bill gates 走后，SB基本上没魄力管好公司，产品东一块西一
块，tablet 做了那么多次努力和投入，然后都没搞好或者成功推出就出又一个新东西。
软件patent 对于苹果比较重要，苹果注重设计，很多“小”地方和微妙的设计是帮助
产品成功的关键。不respect 软件或者设计上的patent是对苹果的不公平。话说回来，
google 在软件上（webservice，search 等等）也应该有无数的patent，没有软件
patent对google也会有伤害。
developers
testing
【在 a***y 的大作中提到】
: 是啊，狗狗有钱，人手也多，抄得也快，我不知道如果狗狗可以随便抄，是否系统就更
: 公正了？没了苹果狗狗怎么继续创新？就像微软，没得抄的话，进步真的很缓慢。
:
: people
: .
: .
一个是狗在android 上的business model leverage 了硬件厂商的资源，
一个是狗的开发方式更加现代和open，果子的相来有保密性，对于新产品发布会有好处
，但升级就会慢了。狗的开发方式更快出新的版本，fix等等，也更快搜集用户反馈。
还有的就是狗的人才和技术积累比较diversify，mobile 应用作为一个“新方向”，他
们可以轻易拿来自己已经有的很多技术整合，数据中心也是最强的了，资源可以说是随
叫随到。
微软是公司政治问题，bill gates 走后，SB基本上没魄力管好公司，产品东一块西一
块，tablet 做了那么多次努力和投入，然后都没搞好或者成功推出就出又一个新东西。
软件patent 对于苹果比较重要，苹果注重设计，很多“小”地方和微妙的设计是帮助
产品成功的关键。不respect 软件或者设计上的patent是对苹果的不公平。话说回来，
google 在软件上（webservice，search 等等）也应该有无数的patent，没有软件
patent对google也会有伤害。
developers
testing
【在 a***y 的大作中提到】
: 是啊，狗狗有钱，人手也多，抄得也快，我不知道如果狗狗可以随便抄，是否系统就更
: 公正了？没了苹果狗狗怎么继续创新？就像微软，没得抄的话，进步真的很缓慢。
:
: people
: .
: .
a*a
11 楼
先看看apple都用那些patent来做patent trolling再来说软件patent保护创新。
西。
【在 w********2 的大作中提到】
: 狗后面的进展速度快不全是抄的问题。
: 一个是狗在android 上的business model leverage 了硬件厂商的资源，
: 一个是狗的开发方式更加现代和open，果子的相来有保密性，对于新产品发布会有好处
: ，但升级就会慢了。狗的开发方式更快出新的版本，fix等等，也更快搜集用户反馈。
: 还有的就是狗的人才和技术积累比较diversify，mobile 应用作为一个“新方向”，他
: 们可以轻易拿来自己已经有的很多技术整合，数据中心也是最强的了，资源可以说是随
: 叫随到。
: 微软是公司政治问题，bill gates 走后，SB基本上没魄力管好公司，产品东一块西一
: 块，tablet 做了那么多次努力和投入，然后都没搞好或者成功推出就出又一个新东西。
: 软件patent 对于苹果比较重要，苹果注重设计，很多“小”地方和微妙的设计是帮助
西。
【在 w********2 的大作中提到】
: 狗后面的进展速度快不全是抄的问题。
: 一个是狗在android 上的business model leverage 了硬件厂商的资源，
: 一个是狗的开发方式更加现代和open，果子的相来有保密性，对于新产品发布会有好处
: ，但升级就会慢了。狗的开发方式更快出新的版本，fix等等，也更快搜集用户反馈。
: 还有的就是狗的人才和技术积累比较diversify，mobile 应用作为一个“新方向”，他
: 们可以轻易拿来自己已经有的很多技术整合，数据中心也是最强的了，资源可以说是随
: 叫随到。
: 微软是公司政治问题，bill gates 走后，SB基本上没魄力管好公司，产品东一块西一
: 块，tablet 做了那么多次努力和投入，然后都没搞好或者成功推出就出又一个新东西。
: 软件patent 对于苹果比较重要，苹果注重设计，很多“小”地方和微妙的设计是帮助
p*c
12 楼
apple的不少patent说起来patent挺牛b，其实大家都清楚，就是个idea而已，比方那个
若干年前的圆角方形。。。。
现在这个时代，idea不都是互相抄？你出个youtube，我也搞个online video sharing
，你出个myspace，我弄个facebook，你搞facebook，我做google+，你做dropbox，我
弄icloud。。。。没完没了。。。到美国留学的同学，那些paper，引用过去过来，咳
咳。。。。
做得好不好，是看execution，那么多startup和成熟公司，好多相似的idea，有的s了
，有的活了，就是看执行能力。。。。。这要是patent过去过来，大家都别干活成天打
官司了。。。。
乔老擅长的就是execution，你说谁不知道把电话做好用，做漂亮。。。前几个帖子有
位果粉同学说得好，乔老能坚持到底哪怕得罪无数人，这个就是大牛。只要公司能把
idea变成好产品，还能占领市场。
成王败寇
只靠打官司限制对手，不是个好现象也不是好兆头
若干年前的圆角方形。。。。
现在这个时代，idea不都是互相抄？你出个youtube，我也搞个online video sharing
，你出个myspace，我弄个facebook，你搞facebook，我做google+，你做dropbox，我
弄icloud。。。。没完没了。。。到美国留学的同学，那些paper，引用过去过来，咳
咳。。。。
做得好不好，是看execution，那么多startup和成熟公司，好多相似的idea，有的s了
，有的活了，就是看执行能力。。。。。这要是patent过去过来，大家都别干活成天打
官司了。。。。
乔老擅长的就是execution，你说谁不知道把电话做好用，做漂亮。。。前几个帖子有
位果粉同学说得好，乔老能坚持到底哪怕得罪无数人，这个就是大牛。只要公司能把
idea变成好产品，还能占领市场。
成王败寇
只靠打官司限制对手，不是个好现象也不是好兆头
b*i
13 楼
software patent is a joke.
patent is about disclosing the main mechanism of an invention. For software
, that should be the source code, not a flow chart. A software patent
shouldn't be granted without the source code of the software disclosed.
As some one said, most software patents, which are jokes, don't have source
code disclosed. Yes, most of them are just ideas. And these ideas are not
the time consuming part for developing the software at all.
【在 w********2 的大作中提到】
: is this judge a joke?
: no need patent?
:
: .S
: Reuters
: discusses
: same
patent is about disclosing the main mechanism of an invention. For software
, that should be the source code, not a flow chart. A software patent
shouldn't be granted without the source code of the software disclosed.
As some one said, most software patents, which are jokes, don't have source
code disclosed. Yes, most of them are just ideas. And these ideas are not
the time consuming part for developing the software at all.
【在 w********2 的大作中提到】
: is this judge a joke?
: no need patent?
:
: .S
: Reuters
: discusses
: same
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