hehe,Chopin Prelude No.16 PK赛 - 未名空间MITBBS历史存档

国际科技财经博客移民网络热点娱乐民生时事公众号

Redian新闻

>未名空间

>Arts - 艺术殿堂

hehe,Chopin Prelude No.16 PK赛

hehe,Chopin Prelude No.16 PK赛# Arts - 艺术殿堂

K*y2006-08-31 07:08

1 楼

请先看第一个
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBbzPekdrJA
可怜的Meiting Sun,弹得这么好，被一个日本女评委评了20多分。。。
发指！
大家记住了，肖邦比赛真是太黑了，每次肯定有个日本人第六的！
忘了具体是多少，可惜没有一个Argerich给他出头。。。
再看kissin弹得
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOLwHU31Wc0
孙梅庭已经够猛了，kissin简直觉得血管都要爆了。

y*e2006-08-31 07:08

2 楼

小孙58", kissin54". kissin的八度太凌厉了，而且音阶反复弹的都有变化, 不服不行.
来个小孙那年肖赛第三名棒子的, 52"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-AjkImVcs4I
再来个大姐的，50秒"!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsraoacTYk4
最后来个老派的
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDRGD_GVjbE

【在 K********y 的大作中提到】

: 请先看第一个
: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBbzPekdrJA
: 可怜的Meiting Sun,弹得这么好，被一个日本女评委评了20多分。。。
: 发指！
: 大家记住了，肖邦比赛真是太黑了，每次肯定有个日本人第六的！
: 忘了具体是多少，可惜没有一个Argerich给他出头。。。
: 再看kissin弹得
: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOLwHU31Wc0
: 孙梅庭已经够猛了，kissin简直觉得血管都要爆了。

K*y2006-08-31 07:08

3 楼

做肖邦评委也真是不容易的,
反反复复听那么多次肖邦的曲子,
而且都是高手弹的,硬是要分出高低,....不容易啊...
我觉得你的评价很到位啊!
Argerich与kissin
其实在时间上,可能kissin还要长些,
但他音阶的伸张力非常大,
对听众造成了一种心里上的压力,
而且段落非常清晰,
这点meiting跟kissin很像,
第一段的时候显然控制住了
argerich真是太厉害了,那个手指好像都不是她的似的.
要是录音在好就好了..
Earl wild中间两次八度半音音阶瞬间对比控制能力实在太强,
那么快的速度,强弱转换不过是在弹指间,
非常清晰指示出乐曲的结构,厉害.....
那个林东明技术真是好,俄罗斯功底啊.
我觉得这首的音乐他不够meiting好.
刚才考古,还发现了另外一个帅锅
Sergio Tiempo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbU_N102vIY&mode=related&search=
中间的处理跟Earl wild好像,
理智型的pianist

行.

【在 y****e 的大作中提到】

: 小孙58", kissin54". kissin的八度太凌厉了，而且音阶反复弹的都有变化, 不服不行.
: 来个小孙那年肖赛第三名棒子的, 52"
: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-AjkImVcs4I
: 再来个大姐的，50秒"!
: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsraoacTYk4
: 最后来个老派的
: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDRGD_GVjbE

y*e2006-08-31 07:08

4 楼

那韩国哥俩都拿了第三名，不过我觉得这首前奏曲16，弟弟Lim DongHyek弹的比哥哥
Lim DongMin好.
Lim DongHyek
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tSBaiLFuVQ
Lim DongMin
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-AjkImVcs4I

【在 K********y 的大作中提到】

: 做肖邦评委也真是不容易的,
: 反反复复听那么多次肖邦的曲子,
: 而且都是高手弹的,硬是要分出高低,....不容易啊...
: 我觉得你的评价很到位啊!
: Argerich与kissin
: 其实在时间上,可能kissin还要长些,
: 但他音阶的伸张力非常大,
: 对听众造成了一种心里上的压力,
: 而且段落非常清晰,
: 这点meiting跟kissin很像,

K*y2006-08-31 07:08

5 楼

1.Dong Hyek Lim
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-AjkImVcs4I
他与他哥哥Dong min Lim也算是近年来钢琴界内传奇的佳话.他们上一次得奖是在
肖邦钢琴大赛里面并列第三.
哥哥Dong Min Lim一直似乎都处于上峰,拿了不少奖,
弟弟后来也不甘示弱
最牛气的一次是在2003年比利时伊丽莎白钢琴大赛得了第三,觉得不公平
拒绝领奖.
听说2005年肖邦决赛的时候,他还请了伊丽莎白女王去观战.
非常俄罗斯的弹法.
2.Dong Min Lim
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tSBaiLFuVQ
最早听他在柴可夫斯基大赛里面弹得李斯特超技练习曲+斯克里亚宾练习曲+肖邦练习曲
留下了基本上一生都不大可能忘记得的印象,还有他弹得appassionata也是很好的
两兄弟我更喜欢他,同首曲子速度比弟弟慢些,但是音乐伸张力更强.
3. Mei ting Sun
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBbzPekdrJA
我们中国人,上音附小,后来举家搬到NY.
我觉得他弹得真的很

【在 y****e 的大作中提到】

: 那韩国哥俩都拿了第三名，不过我觉得这首前奏曲16，弟弟Lim DongHyek弹的比哥哥
: Lim DongMin好.
: Lim DongHyek
: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tSBaiLFuVQ
: Lim DongMin
: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-AjkImVcs4I

K*y2006-08-31 07:08

6 楼

哥哥的确技术上不如弟弟啊............
中间有点吃不上的感觉..hoho
但是音乐我喜欢哥哥多点

【在 y****e 的大作中提到】

f*r2006-08-31 07:08

7 楼

The Polish guy's musical sense is far better. His Waltz is great. His
championship is well deserved. For the Korean brothers, the younger brother
is better. But both of them are lacking in musical sense, too mechanical ,
and showmanship. They sound senstaional in the beginning, but you may
easily get bored after listening more times. Maybe they could win the
championship if there existed a Liszt Competition.

【在 K********y 的大作中提到】

f*r2006-08-31 07:08

8 楼

BTW, The Polish guy is named Rafal Blechacz. On October 21 2005 he was the
sole recipient of all five top prizes at the 15th International Frederick
Chopin Piano Competition in Warsaw, namely First Prize and polonaise,
mazurka, sonata and concerto prizes. You may think it is due to the fact
that he is Polish. But if you really listen more on his music and that of
the Korean brothers (especially the younger brother), you will see that the
judgement is fair.
You can easily find most of his live pe

【在 f*****r 的大作中提到】

: The Polish guy's musical sense is far better. His Waltz is great. His
: championship is well deserved. For the Korean brothers, the younger brother
: is better. But both of them are lacking in musical sense, too mechanical ,
: and showmanship. They sound senstaional in the beginning, but you may
: easily get bored after listening more times. Maybe they could win the
: championship if there existed a Liszt Competition.

K*y2006-08-31 07:08

9 楼

ft
最后那个是委内瑞拉帅哥,Sergio Tiempo

brother

【在 f*****r 的大作中提到】

f*r2006-08-31 07:08

10 楼

We may not talk about the same competition. The one I mentioned is the 15th
International Chpoin Piano Competition in Warsaw in 2005, the most
prestigious in the world. It is held every 5 years. In 2000, Yundi Li won
the 14th championship. According to the rule, I think the 16th Competition
should be held in 2010.
The one you mentioned here may be the National Chopin Piano Competition,
which is help in US. I guess the winner will then be presented to the
International Competition. The 2005 U.S n

【在 K********y 的大作中提到】

: ft
: 最后那个是委内瑞拉帅哥,Sergio Tiempo
:
: brother

K*y2006-08-31 07:08

11 楼

呵呵,只是突然间扯到肖邦的冠军,觉得有点突兀,
还以为你说的是最后那个帅哥.
我也知道你在说谁,那个备受争议的冠军.
他的确是弹的好.
孙梅亭是2005年美国肖邦比赛第一
代表美国去波兰比赛的
算是同一个比赛.
他没进决赛的原因我前面已经说过
这里不提了
其实听说之前他在日本参加一次比赛,
碰到同样的一个评委
也是同样的结局了.
比赛的事情,
因素本来就很多
我还去听过一次国际钢琴大赛,
一个俄罗斯选手
弹了三首不同作曲家的作品,
用了三种不同的音色,
最后却连决赛都没进.

15th

【在 f*****r 的大作中提到】

: We may not talk about the same competition. The one I mentioned is the 15th
: International Chpoin Piano Competition in Warsaw in 2005, the most
: prestigious in the world. It is held every 5 years. In 2000, Yundi Li won
: the 14th championship. According to the rule, I think the 16th Competition
: should be held in 2010.
: The one you mentioned here may be the National Chopin Piano Competition,
: which is help in US. I guess the winner will then be presented to the
: International Competition. The 2005 U.S n

f*r2006-08-31 07:08

12 楼

Argerich's Championship in 1965 is well-deserved. You can find her live
performance of Heroic Polonaise from youtube at
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVtJbmMJLz4
I guess this is her winning performance in 1965, but I am not very sure. But
I feel this piece alone can bring her the award.
I don't think Mei-ting could win the 15th champion after listening to his
performance. Nothing special except some tech part. The musicality is far
from being mature and pure. I do not think Argerich could ever

K*y2006-08-31 07:08

13 楼

haha,有趣..
我一直也没觉得就算梅亭进了决赛会拿第一.
只是觉得那样的水平,
决赛没进,有失公允拉.
倒是有这么一个俄罗斯天才
第八届的第四名
Rem Urasin
一直真的没什么运气,
当他29岁卷土重来参加cliburn 大赛的时候
年龄显得相对大,决赛都没进...

But
for

【在 f*****r 的大作中提到】

: Argerich's Championship in 1965 is well-deserved. You can find her live
: performance of Heroic Polonaise from youtube at
: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVtJbmMJLz4
: I guess this is her winning performance in 1965, but I am not very sure. But
: I feel this piece alone can bring her the award.
: I don't think Mei-ting could win the 15th champion after listening to his
: performance. Nothing special except some tech part. The musicality is far
: from being mature and pure. I do not think Argerich could ever

f*r2006-08-31 07:08

14 楼

Youtube is really a fantastic place. You can easily compare various
performance and appreciate the value and nuance. Many people belive Kissin
is a genius with superb tech and musical sense. But compare him with
Horowitz, he is just a small kid. Listen to this famous Scriabin Etude Op 8,
No.12.
There are two versions, one by Kissin, the one by Horowitz. It shows what is
tech , what is musicality, and how these two things are connected.
Kissin:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfXjk7GkCF8
Horowitz:

K*y2006-08-31 07:08

15 楼

我们Pk 来Pk去,其实都忘记了很重要的一点
音乐本来就是会成长的东西
霍洛维兹弹这个的时候,比KISSIN大整整60多岁
又有谁知道60年后的kissin会怎么样呢?
^_^,很高兴跟你交流
我先睡觉了,明天继续

8,
is

【在 f*****r 的大作中提到】

: Youtube is really a fantastic place. You can easily compare various
: performance and appreciate the value and nuance. Many people belive Kissin
: is a genius with superb tech and musical sense. But compare him with
: Horowitz, he is just a small kid. Listen to this famous Scriabin Etude Op 8,
: No.12.
: There are two versions, one by Kissin, the one by Horowitz. It shows what is
: tech , what is musicality, and how these two things are connected.
: Kissin:
: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfXjk7GkCF8
: Horowitz: