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Re: Poo muming's letter to his lab staff

Re: Poo muming's letter to his lab staff# Biology - 生物学

f*n2004-05-31 07:05

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PMM对自己实验室的人要求高，有几个问题。他用别人的劳动使
自己在竞争中处于有利地位。同时他给同行竞争加大了压力，
迫使其他人也提高标准。他有没有针对更艰苦的工作提高工资
标准呢？科学家也是人。为什么对他们的工作有特殊要求？
如果他可以这样，那公司老板也可以要求员工无偿加班。公司
兴旺大家有饭吃嘛。不是这样么？但是最大的受益者是谁？就算
老板自己也干得很辛苦，是不是就有理由要求公司员工都和他
一样？

n*e2004-05-31 07:05

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I don't think his ideas are reasonable. It is simply wrong.
You can't demand people to work 60 hours, while you only pay them for 40 hours
salary a week.
Poo himself may be working 60 hours even 168 hours a week, that's his problem.
I hate people saying like 'if you don't want to do science, just quit...',
doing science is just the same as any other works, why researchers have to
work overtime?
Hardworking doesn't simply mean working overtime. Hardworking means you make
good plans and finish wha

s*l2004-05-31 07:05

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Every employee has the right to choose work hard or work normally hard, so
does a researcher. If a researcher, like you, willing to work hard, both
employee and employer are happy. If a researcher chooses to work normally
hard, the employer CANNOT make a rule such as 60hours/week. I can bet you a
dollor if an employer fires a employee simple because the employee cannot work
60hrs/week, the employer will be sued. Why this kind of employer in scientific
community cannot be charged!
As for low sala

m*e2004-05-31 07:05

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你选择要去他实验室，所以你要符合他的要求。
如果你不喜欢他的要求，你可以不要去。
如果你拿得出结果，那么你可以不那么辛苦。
但是一般人没有那么好运，所以还是要拼时间。
不管他是否可以这么赤裸裸的说出来，平心而论，
他说的都是有道理的，只是politically incorrect。
而作为回报，你的努力工作会有好的publication。
不能否认很多人是抱着这样的想法去一个这样的实验
室的。当然这种PI多了，水涨船高，大家日子都不好
过，得有更好的背景才找得到理想的工作。工资等等
的问题，大概如果没有人这么热衷做科学，他们就不
得不靠金钱吸引人员了。跟市场经济似的。所以，受
不了的大家，退出好了。
这个其实跟以前的作坊里学徒跟着师父做是一样的，
严厉的师父手下才出人。符合中国老一辈的概念，吃得
苦中苦，方为人上人。这就是不同的life style的选
择。如果你想兢兢业业出人头地，你就去，如果你不想
这么辛苦，你就不要去。其实就算是公司里面，也不是9-5。

【在 s****l 的大作中提到】

: Every employee has the right to choose work hard or work normally hard, so
: does a researcher. If a researcher, like you, willing to work hard, both
: employee and employer are happy. If a researcher chooses to work normally
: hard, the employer CANNOT make a rule such as 60hours/week. I can bet you a
: dollor if an employer fires a employee simple because the employee cannot work
: 60hrs/week, the employer will be sued. Why this kind of employer in scientific
: community cannot be charged!
: As for low sala