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UNC的Yi Zhang也要归了么?# Biology - 生物学
b*d
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就要去hawaii玩了,才发现找不到hawaii map了。当初下载的不知道放到哪里去了,应
该是这个file:
USA_Hawaii_2007.07_070813.fbl
或者更高更低一点版本的都成。网上找的都是包含所有州的。
不胜感谢!
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E*A
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RT
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U*O
3
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=C73OHZ19

【在 b*********d 的大作中提到】
: 就要去hawaii玩了,才发现找不到hawaii map了。当初下载的不知道放到哪里去了,应
: 该是这个file:
: USA_Hawaii_2007.07_070813.fbl
: 或者更高更低一点版本的都成。网上找的都是包含所有州的。
: 不胜感谢!

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a*k
4
wow,这个不错啊,希望之星~

【在 E****A 的大作中提到】
: RT
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l*n
6
where, where?
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s*x
7
不可能吧,他可是HHMI啊
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E*A
8
他不是中农大生院毕业的么

【在 l**********n 的大作中提到】
: where, where?
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E*A
9
长江讲座还是有可能的吧

【在 s*********x 的大作中提到】
: 不可能吧,他可是HHMI啊
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g*n
10
HHMI跟归不归没有必然关系吧?
11g不也是HHMI么?

【在 s*********x 的大作中提到】
: 不可能吧,他可是HHMI啊
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E*y
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哪里的小道消息
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J*3
12
确定?我倒是知道有几家在挖,关键是条件吧。
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E*t
13
This hearsay definitely can't be regarded as accurate info. I don't think he
would return until he makes a new round ground-breaking discovery (the long-
sought DNA demethylase?), even if he would be offered a position, like Dean,
School of Life Science, XX University...
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d*r
14
国内还有哪个名校的生命科学院缺少一个有名的Dean?

he
long-
Dean,

【在 E**********t 的大作中提到】
: This hearsay definitely can't be regarded as accurate info. I don't think he
: would return until he makes a new round ground-breaking discovery (the long-
: sought DNA demethylase?), even if he would be offered a position, like Dean,
: School of Life Science, XX University...

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p*r
15
南大?

【在 d*****r 的大作中提到】
: 国内还有哪个名校的生命科学院缺少一个有名的Dean?
:
: he
: long-
: Dean,

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a*o
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河马什么时候归呀,告别报告都做完了

【在 p*******r 的大作中提到】
: 南大?
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p*r
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告别报告?

【在 a****o 的大作中提到】
: 河马什么时候归呀,告别报告都做完了
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p*m
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zan 呵呵

【在 p*******r 的大作中提到】
: 告别报告?
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d*r
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我估计他说的是你在Harvard/MIT附近作的那个中文报告。。

【在 p*******r 的大作中提到】
: 告别报告?
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n*g
20
南大不是Chenyu Zhang在当院长么?

【在 p*******r 的大作中提到】
: 南大?
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d*r
21
who is this guy?

【在 n*********g 的大作中提到】
: 南大不是Chenyu Zhang在当院长么?
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l*u
22
他这种级别的人回去, 在国内的高校的范围里, 除了清北, 其它他估计看不上吧。

he
long-
Dean,

【在 E**********t 的大作中提到】
: This hearsay definitely can't be regarded as accurate info. I don't think he
: would return until he makes a new round ground-breaking discovery (the long-
: sought DNA demethylase?), even if he would be offered a position, like Dean,
: School of Life Science, XX University...

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p*m
23
how about ISBCB director I guess

【在 l******u 的大作中提到】
: 他这种级别的人回去, 在国内的高校的范围里, 除了清北, 其它他估计看不上吧。
:
: he
: long-
: Dean,

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s*r
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可以回科学院,可以自己单独搞一摊,象老蒲那样。
他的水平这么高,如果HHMI可以带回国的话,他已经不需要
清北来给自己壮声势,随便哪儿都行。

他这种级别的人回去, 在国内的高校的范围里, 除了清北, 其它他估计看不上吧。
he
long-
Dean,

【在 l******u 的大作中提到】
: 他这种级别的人回去, 在国内的高校的范围里, 除了清北, 其它他估计看不上吧。
:
: he
: long-
: Dean,

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l*u
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林安宁不是才上任吗。

【在 p*****m 的大作中提到】
: how about ISBCB director I guess
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p*m
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林感觉很不够格的说 呵呵

【在 l******u 的大作中提到】
: 林安宁不是才上任吗。
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l*u
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其实自身水平高的人不一定说明他适合做科研领袖, 但是一流研究所的科研领袖, 必
须科研水平一流。

【在 s******r 的大作中提到】
: 可以回科学院,可以自己单独搞一摊,象老蒲那样。
: 他的水平这么高,如果HHMI可以带回国的话,他已经不需要
: 清北来给自己壮声势,随便哪儿都行。
:
: 他这种级别的人回去, 在国内的高校的范围里, 除了清北, 其它他估计看不上吧。
: he
: long-
: Dean,

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r*r
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那种研究所的头,很不好当。权利没多大,个个都是老爷,个个都能拿钱,你说这个头
如果不能给他们带来更多的钱,或者提供比他们现在更好的研究平台,他们谁会睬你啊
?所以我看林是绝对水平不够,对自身的认识也不够,对那个所的认识就更不够了,是
个双败的结局。

【在 p*****m 的大作中提到】
: 林感觉很不够格的说 呵呵
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s*r
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也未必,林安宁能当所长,不知道有没有什么内部关系,
如果关系理顺了,所长随便当当,也就替自己谋个福利,
如果纯粹是外来的和尚,那还真的需要有金刚钻。

那种研究所的头,很不好当。权利没多大,个个都是老爷,个个都能拿钱,你说这个头
如果不能给他们带来更多的钱,或者提供比他们现在更好的研究平台,他们谁会睬你啊
?所以我看林是绝对水平不够,对自身的认识也不够,对那个所的认识就更不够了,是
个双败的结局。

【在 r****r 的大作中提到】
: 那种研究所的头,很不好当。权利没多大,个个都是老爷,个个都能拿钱,你说这个头
: 如果不能给他们带来更多的钱,或者提供比他们现在更好的研究平台,他们谁会睬你啊
: ?所以我看林是绝对水平不够,对自身的认识也不够,对那个所的认识就更不够了,是
: 个双败的结局。

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r*r
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这还不叫失败,那什么叫失败?
那个所十几年前所长的权利就不大了,其实我到觉得这是个好事,要是中国现在的大学
都能做到pi的独立性很大,不受所谓的领导干涉太多这一点,那是好的生态循环的第一
步。我不知道林的动机是什么,反正我觉得他最好不要有作用,而且我也不认为他能起
到作用,要走入第二步,引入优秀的国际评审队伍,我看放老poo在那里都搞不定,他
就更别想了。
象老poo那样的模式,在中国实在是无法推广的,但他在以另外一种宏观层面上的方式
影响中国科研的生态,这个作用也是巨大的。

【在 s******r 的大作中提到】
: 也未必,林安宁能当所长,不知道有没有什么内部关系,
: 如果关系理顺了,所长随便当当,也就替自己谋个福利,
: 如果纯粹是外来的和尚,那还真的需要有金刚钻。
:
: 那种研究所的头,很不好当。权利没多大,个个都是老爷,个个都能拿钱,你说这个头
: 如果不能给他们带来更多的钱,或者提供比他们现在更好的研究平台,他们谁会睬你啊
: ?所以我看林是绝对水平不够,对自身的认识也不够,对那个所的认识就更不够了,是
: 个双败的结局。

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e*e
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农大
不过lz说的大概是长江讲座
NIBS的郭岩也在长江特聘

【在 l******u 的大作中提到】
: 他这种级别的人回去, 在国内的高校的范围里, 除了清北, 其它他估计看不上吧。
:
: he
: long-
: Dean,

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J*3
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挺好!

【在 e*******e 的大作中提到】
: 农大
: 不过lz说的大概是长江讲座
: NIBS的郭岩也在长江特聘

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P*B
33
其实,中国的科学界并不缺某个人,或某个前沿课题,这个人的vision和境界才是最重
要的
这个当然并不针对Yi Zhang,因为我对他并无了解
如果只是为了更大的发展空间,更大的lab,更多的power,etc,这些人在我眼里都
是占用了更多的纳税人的钱而已
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J*3
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这种大多不是人家找学校要的,而是学校花点钱装点门面的,建立良性互动有时也是好
事哈。
另外问一下,这个讲座教授需要每年1个月还是3个月服务时间?

【在 P******B 的大作中提到】
: 其实,中国的科学界并不缺某个人,或某个前沿课题,这个人的vision和境界才是最重
: 要的
: 这个当然并不针对Yi Zhang,因为我对他并无了解
: 如果只是为了更大的发展空间,更大的lab,更多的power,etc,这些人在我眼里都
: 是占用了更多的纳税人的钱而已

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z*o
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zhang yi已经是中国农大的讲座教授了,详见长江学者的官网
中农大毕业的,中农大讲座教授正常
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t*t
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为什么非要这两个?
俺找工作就压根没考虑过这两个,地方也不爽,也不喜欢其风格。 这两个地方以外的
牛人也不少。

【在 l******u 的大作中提到】
: 他这种级别的人回去, 在国内的高校的范围里, 除了清北, 其它他估计看不上吧。
:
: he
: long-
: Dean,

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p*r
37
食堂很好。

【在 t******t 的大作中提到】
: 为什么非要这两个?
: 俺找工作就压根没考虑过这两个,地方也不爽,也不喜欢其风格。 这两个地方以外的
: 牛人也不少。

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a*o
38
严重同意
做毕业论文的时候,常去蹭饭

【在 p*******r 的大作中提到】
: 食堂很好。
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l*r
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。。。。。。。。。。。。

【在 p*******r 的大作中提到】
: 食堂很好。
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s*r
40
为什么?

人品不好, 祸害
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m*9
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research做大以后, 能不能成“家”全看个人修养和做人处事的态度。
一个缺乏仁厚之心以及人情味的科研工作者,对学术圈的贡献止于对其手下junior
researchers实验结果的分析。
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e*e
42
Newton笑了

【在 m**9 的大作中提到】
: research做大以后, 能不能成“家”全看个人修养和做人处事的态度。
: 一个缺乏仁厚之心以及人情味的科研工作者,对学术圈的贡献止于对其手下junior
: researchers实验结果的分析。

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E*t
43
I have been working in the same field with him, the epigenetics field, and I
read some paper from his lab. I do think he is a great scientist and he
understood science well. But what mt39 posted here obviously had some
extended meaning, so just for my curiosity, could you share a little more
inside info..

【在 m**9 的大作中提到】
: research做大以后, 能不能成“家”全看个人修养和做人处事的态度。
: 一个缺乏仁厚之心以及人情味的科研工作者,对学术圈的贡献止于对其手下junior
: researchers实验结果的分析。

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E*t
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Is that because he was from Danny's lab, who has been equally "famous" for
his personality and science...
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E*A
45
what do you mean?

【在 m**9 的大作中提到】
: research做大以后, 能不能成“家”全看个人修养和做人处事的态度。
: 一个缺乏仁厚之心以及人情味的科研工作者,对学术圈的贡献止于对其手下junior
: researchers实验结果的分析。

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p*i
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是不错啊,那几年我胖了一圈

【在 l*******r 的大作中提到】
: 。。。。。。。。。。。。
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n*b
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I am sure Yi Zhang understood science better than many of us. However,
except producing several Cells that can impress those who only care about
CNS, SCI, and IF factors, I can not tell if he or even his mentor has ever
made any significant original discovery. Most of of their papers, if
correct, are about settling scores or taking the side on a hot topic at the
tiime. Perhaps you know better and can share some inside info on this.

I

【在 E**********t 的大作中提到】
: I have been working in the same field with him, the epigenetics field, and I
: read some paper from his lab. I do think he is a great scientist and he
: understood science well. But what mt39 posted here obviously had some
: extended meaning, so just for my curiosity, could you share a little more
: inside info..

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n*k
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Wow, it seems everyone gets a bigger ego nowaday and I guess it is just easy
to give whatever comments as
one likes..Zhang indeed is doing some nice science and as well as produce
some potential on application
side...I am not that sure it is fair to say that he is just take a ride/side
? on a hot topic...two startup companies
on epigenetics may worth watching out , one is with Yang Shi and the other
with Yi Zhang behind...

the

【在 n*********b 的大作中提到】
: I am sure Yi Zhang understood science better than many of us. However,
: except producing several Cells that can impress those who only care about
: CNS, SCI, and IF factors, I can not tell if he or even his mentor has ever
: made any significant original discovery. Most of of their papers, if
: correct, are about settling scores or taking the side on a hot topic at the
: tiime. Perhaps you know better and can share some inside info on this.
:
: I

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n*b
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A big ego, that's fair enough for him.

easy
side

【在 n********k 的大作中提到】
: Wow, it seems everyone gets a bigger ego nowaday and I guess it is just easy
: to give whatever comments as
: one likes..Zhang indeed is doing some nice science and as well as produce
: some potential on application
: side...I am not that sure it is fair to say that he is just take a ride/side
: ? on a hot topic...two startup companies
: on epigenetics may worth watching out , one is with Yang Shi and the other
: with Yi Zhang behind...
:
: the

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l*u
50
其它地方高校不管生物类还是其他科研,获得国家支持都比这俩学校少很多很多,清北
跟其它高校的差距将会继续加大。而且如果招博士生,也能招到相对好的多一些, 国
内的科研都是以博士生为主的。
版上的人一般是自己去找工作, 人家是工作找他,并不属于一个级别的人才。

【在 t******t 的大作中提到】
: 为什么非要这两个?
: 俺找工作就压根没考虑过这两个,地方也不爽,也不喜欢其风格。 这两个地方以外的
: 牛人也不少。

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c*o
51
lol
If you can not even tell any significant original discoveries from his lab,
I wonder how much you actually know the field?
He established reputation much earlier on in the field even way before he em
barked on the pionneering studies of jumonji proteins. No comments on his me
ntor, but he is clearly visionary and has been leading the way all the time.

the

【在 n*********b 的大作中提到】
: I am sure Yi Zhang understood science better than many of us. However,
: except producing several Cells that can impress those who only care about
: CNS, SCI, and IF factors, I can not tell if he or even his mentor has ever
: made any significant original discovery. Most of of their papers, if
: correct, are about settling scores or taking the side on a hot topic at the
: tiime. Perhaps you know better and can share some inside info on this.
:
: I

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J*3
52
你真牛!按你这个灌点,许多炸药将得主也得跳楼哈。

the

【在 n*********b 的大作中提到】
: I am sure Yi Zhang understood science better than many of us. However,
: except producing several Cells that can impress those who only care about
: CNS, SCI, and IF factors, I can not tell if he or even his mentor has ever
: made any significant original discovery. Most of of their papers, if
: correct, are about settling scores or taking the side on a hot topic at the
: tiime. Perhaps you know better and can share some inside info on this.
:
: I

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n*b
53
His work on jumonji is a typical style of cherry picking. It supports the
point that he "understood" science because there were 100s papers before he
jumped in.

,
em
me
time.

【在 c***o 的大作中提到】
: lol
: If you can not even tell any significant original discoveries from his lab,
: I wonder how much you actually know the field?
: He established reputation much earlier on in the field even way before he em
: barked on the pionneering studies of jumonji proteins. No comments on his me
: ntor, but he is clearly visionary and has been leading the way all the time.
:
: the

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J*3
54
呵呵,你这么说,让人无话可说了。酸溜溜的,像施Y说的。

he

【在 n*********b 的大作中提到】
: His work on jumonji is a typical style of cherry picking. It supports the
: point that he "understood" science because there were 100s papers before he
: jumped in.
:
: ,
: em
: me
: time.

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a*k
55
不过我觉得施洋还是有资格酸一下的。

【在 J********3 的大作中提到】
: 呵呵,你这么说,让人无话可说了。酸溜溜的,像施Y说的。
:
: he

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p*r
56
施洋 is so shuai! So is his wife.

【在 a********k 的大作中提到】
: 不过我觉得施洋还是有资格酸一下的。
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n*b
57
施洋还是有资格酸一下的. Beside his recent work, YY1 and the assay for
measuring transcription were original.

【在 J********3 的大作中提到】
: 呵呵,你这么说,让人无话可说了。酸溜溜的,像施Y说的。
:
: he

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J*3
58
不过至从俺知道洋在JmjC上耍了把很伤rp的小聪明后,就开始觉得这位不地道了,光辉
形象大打折扣了,呵呵。

【在 a********k 的大作中提到】
: 不过我觉得施洋还是有资格酸一下的。
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a*o
59
事实上,为了找到去甲基化酶, 张的实验室花了好几年时间,在此之前,很多实验室
尝试过遗传学方法,生化方法,都没有成功,很多人都认为去甲基化酶根本不存在,直
到施和张的工作

he

【在 n*********b 的大作中提到】
: His work on jumonji is a typical style of cherry picking. It supports the
: point that he "understood" science because there were 100s papers before he
: jumped in.
:
: ,
: em
: me
: time.

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a*o
60
zkss

【在 J********3 的大作中提到】
: 不过至从俺知道洋在JmjC上耍了把很伤rp的小聪明后,就开始觉得这位不地道了,光辉
: 形象大打折扣了,呵呵。

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h*n
61
详细说说这是啥事?
纯好奇.

【在 J********3 的大作中提到】
: 不过至从俺知道洋在JmjC上耍了把很伤rp的小聪明后,就开始觉得这位不地道了,光辉
: 形象大打折扣了,呵呵。

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s*a
62
fsu phd?怎么后来混得这么好啊

【在 E****A 的大作中提到】
: RT
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E*t
63
The information you need is not "inside", actually you could easily find
them "outside", like PubMed...
First of all, there is nothing wrong with publishing papers on high profile
journals, if POSSIBLE. Secondly, so far as his scientific research is
concerned, from histone methylation to histone demethylation, till his
recent Nature paper about the DNA demethylation, I would say he has always
been leading the way rather than going with the flow. Finally, he probably
is the person "缺乏仁厚之心以及人情味" i

【在 n*********b 的大作中提到】
: I am sure Yi Zhang understood science better than many of us. However,
: except producing several Cells that can impress those who only care about
: CNS, SCI, and IF factors, I can not tell if he or even his mentor has ever
: made any significant original discovery. Most of of their papers, if
: correct, are about settling scores or taking the side on a hot topic at the
: tiime. Perhaps you know better and can share some inside info on this.
:
: I

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a*k
64
人可是determined!不要钱也要去好lab做postdoc

【在 s*******a 的大作中提到】
: fsu phd?怎么后来混得这么好啊
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J*3
65
对,人家这个是设计了好几个方案,一步一步踏踏实实走出来的,2004年就找到了JmjC
,可惜比施的那个撞大运找到的突破稍稍晚了那么一点。

【在 a****o 的大作中提到】
: 事实上,为了找到去甲基化酶, 张的实验室花了好几年时间,在此之前,很多实验室
: 尝试过遗传学方法,生化方法,都没有成功,很多人都认为去甲基化酶根本不存在,直
: 到施和张的工作
:
: he

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J*3
66
点到为止,施在某个关键时刻违君子鞋定,很不厚道的发了篇Cell,抢了个关键点,具体就不说了,必竟已过去的事了,两位都是华人里的翘楚。

【在 h********n 的大作中提到】
: 详细说说这是啥事?
: 纯好奇.

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n*b
67
First of all, no one is saying publishing papers on high profile journals is
wrong.
Second, no one is disputing that his work is respectful. Although there has
not been any surprising finding, at one point, he has led the flow under a
previously defined framework, which is a fact. His motivation to working on
his project could not be due to someone who has a doubt on the existence of
demethylases. The opposite must be true that it is because most people in
the field had been looking for demet

【在 E**********t 的大作中提到】
: The information you need is not "inside", actually you could easily find
: them "outside", like PubMed...
: First of all, there is nothing wrong with publishing papers on high profile
: journals, if POSSIBLE. Secondly, so far as his scientific research is
: concerned, from histone methylation to histone demethylation, till his
: recent Nature paper about the DNA demethylation, I would say he has always
: been leading the way rather than going with the flow. Finally, he probably
: is the person "缺乏仁厚之心以及人情味" i

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n*d
68
zhang yi开公司了?是真的么?看他网页上写的epizyme
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E*t
69
My comment on your response would be the last four words in "出师表", and
the discussion is over...

is
has
a
on
of
in
"

【在 n*********b 的大作中提到】
: First of all, no one is saying publishing papers on high profile journals is
: wrong.
: Second, no one is disputing that his work is respectful. Although there has
: not been any surprising finding, at one point, he has led the flow under a
: previously defined framework, which is a fact. His motivation to working on
: his project could not be due to someone who has a doubt on the existence of
: demethylases. The opposite must be true that it is because most people in
: the field had been looking for demet

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a*o
70
这是辩论的最高境界,自己都不知道在说什么,看你如何反驳

【在 E**********t 的大作中提到】
: My comment on your response would be the last four words in "出师表", and
: the discussion is over...
:
: is
: has
: a
: on
: of
: in
: "

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e*r
71
Zan

【在 m**9 的大作中提到】
: research做大以后, 能不能成“家”全看个人修养和做人处事的态度。
: 一个缺乏仁厚之心以及人情味的科研工作者,对学术圈的贡献止于对其手下junior
: researchers实验结果的分析。

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