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e*g
1 楼
父母上次持同一签证入境了两次，中间回国逗留了将近两个月，在美国两次一共呆了11
个半月。这次回国要呆多久后再申请签证才比较稳妥呢？
他们3月初回国的，上次签证在12月中就要失效满一年了，如果能在那之前申请签证的
话可以使用中信银行免面签服务，应该简单一些。只是不知道成功率大不大。
请各位给点意见。谢谢！
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c*u
2 楼
父母在国内，想给他们办加拿大签证。他们已经有美国签证了。想问是否要说明是我代
他们填的表？看到有个表格是use of a family member representative for online
application的。
谢谢！
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d*e
3 楼
上午刚刚泄露的，居然没有人讨论
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p*r
4 楼
I heard from a colleague today. Election result is in, Republican made large inroads. My prediction is they will probably take presidency in two years.
They proposed 20% cut to NSF and 10% cut to NIH for next year.
The compromise number is likely to be around 5% for initial year.
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H*e
5 楼
只要是合法入境和停留，应该没有问题。
符合免面试条件，当然要先试免面试。当然也听说有符合免面试的还要求面试的，不过
应该概率很小。即使要求面试，出示所有材料证明一切都是合法的入境和停留也没有道
理不通过。

11

【在 e******g 的大作中提到】
: 父母上次持同一签证入境了两次，中间回国逗留了将近两个月，在美国两次一共呆了11
: 个半月。这次回国要呆多久后再申请签证才比较稳妥呢？
: 他们3月初回国的，上次签证在12月中就要失效满一年了，如果能在那之前申请签证的
: 话可以使用中信银行免面签服务，应该简单一些。只是不知道成功率大不大。
: 请各位给点意见。谢谢！
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s*i
6 楼
hardcore apple fans don't JB.
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y*8
7 楼
The golden age for basic research has gone. Do something translational.
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e*g
8 楼
嗯，原则上是如此，只是还想知道最近的情况，希望有类似情形的成功了的朋友们能回
复一下。谢谢！

【在 H*****e 的大作中提到】
: 只要是合法入境和停留，应该没有问题。
: 符合免面试条件，当然要先试免面试。当然也听说有符合免面试的还要求面试的，不过
: 应该概率很小。即使要求面试，出示所有材料证明一切都是合法的入境和停留也没有道
: 理不通过。
:
: 11
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s*u
9 楼
谁有用来越狱ipad2 4.3 版本的pdf文件能不能发到w****[email protected] 谢了先

【在 d******e 的大作中提到】
: 上午刚刚泄露的，居然没有人讨论
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s*y
10 楼
yeah...
We will all have to scramble to find something that is fundable

【在 y******8 的大作中提到】
: The golden age for basic research has gone. Do something translational.
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x*q
11 楼
没有4.3.3的，只有4.3的

★ 发自iPhone App: ChineseWeb - 中文网站浏览器

【在 d******e 的大作中提到】
: 上午刚刚泄露的，居然没有人讨论
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y*8
12 楼
Maybe I am cynical. The first thing should be cut is the intramural
research at NIH. The extramural funding is 76k/person year, the direct cost
is less than 50k. The intramural one is 500k/person year.
But in reality, the intramural research is the last thing which can be touched.
Quote:
The NIH invests over $31.2* billion annually in medical research for the
American people.
More than 80% of the NIH's funding is awarded through almost 50,000
competitive grants to more than 325,000 researchers at over 3,000
universities, medical schools, and other research institutions in every
state and around the world.
About 10% of the NIH's budget supports projects conducted by nearly 6,000
scientists in its own laboratories, most of which are on the NIH campus in
Bethesda, Maryland.

【在 s******y 的大作中提到】
: yeah...
: We will all have to scramble to find something that is fundable
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d*e
13 楼
呵呵,你太out了.自己去google,iPad_4.3.3_8J3.pdf

【在 x***q 的大作中提到】
: 没有4.3.3的，只有4.3的
:
: ★ 发自iPhone App: ChineseWeb - 中文网站浏览器
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w*t
14 楼
and europe just gets better and better

large inroads. My prediction is they will
probably take presidency in two years.

【在 p*******r 的大作中提到】
: I heard from a colleague today. Election result is in, Republican made large inroads. My prediction is they will probably take presidency in two years.
: They proposed 20% cut to NSF and 10% cut to NIH for next year.
: The compromise number is likely to be around 5% for initial year.
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c*e
15 楼
不行了。总是提示：
There was a problem downloading the jailbreak files
http response code 403

【在 d******e 的大作中提到】
: 呵呵,你太out了.自己去google,iPad_4.3.3_8J3.pdf
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s*y
16 楼
Well...It would be very, very tough to force NIH to cut inside.
The labs in NIH is very rich, and poorly performing, but...THEY are the NIH

cost
touched.

【在 y******8 的大作中提到】
: Maybe I am cynical. The first thing should be cut is the intramural
: research at NIH. The extramural funding is 76k/person year, the direct cost
: is less than 50k. The intramural one is 500k/person year.
: But in reality, the intramural research is the last thing which can be touched.
: Quote:
: The NIH invests over $31.2* billion annually in medical research for the
: American people.
: More than 80% of the NIH's funding is awarded through almost 50,000
: competitive grants to more than 325,000 researchers at over 3,000
: universities, medical schools, and other research institutions in every
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p*d
17 楼
weiphone上有不少山寨的jb网站，自建的
http://jb3.appvv.com
这个就可以越
刚越了4.3 wifi only的
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y*8
18 楼
Another way, get the citizenship. Let's retire at NIH.

NIH

【在 s******y 的大作中提到】
: Well...It would be very, very tough to force NIH to cut inside.
: The labs in NIH is very rich, and poorly performing, but...THEY are the NIH
:
: cost
: touched.
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d*r
19 楼
所以结论是, 要么像你这样回国去做教授, 要么像我这样不做生物了?

large inroads. My prediction is they will probably take presidency in two
years.

【在 p*******r 的大作中提到】
: I heard from a colleague today. Election result is in, Republican made large inroads. My prediction is they will probably take presidency in two years.
: They proposed 20% cut to NSF and 10% cut to NIH for next year.
: The compromise number is likely to be around 5% for initial year.
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p*r
20 楼
No, the picture in England is far bleaker.
I won't be surprised if they get a 30% cut in England next year.
Germany and Switzerland are the bright spots now.

【在 w***t 的大作中提到】
: and europe just gets better and better
:
: large inroads. My prediction is they will
: probably take presidency in two years.
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p*r
21 楼
Well, I am also worried about Chinese funding for science over long term,
because I think China will sink with the rest of world eventually in this
economic downturn which I think will last well over a decade, but I think it
's safe for next 3-5 years.
Seriously, I would like to encourage people who are qualified to consider
Tsinghua. It's not heaven, but your future will likely to be brighter than
if you stayed in US.

【在 d*****r 的大作中提到】
: 所以结论是, 要么像你这样回国去做教授, 要么像我这样不做生物了?
:
: large inroads. My prediction is they will probably take presidency in two
: years.
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l*d
22 楼
To a loser in bio like me, there has never been good time to be a biomedical
researcher.
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p*r
23 楼
Actually it's not good for financial services either.
Financial people back Democrats, that's why Obama hasn't really touched wall
street in any real way.
The Republicans are backed by oil money. I think we can probably kiss byebye
to global warming laws now. We will all die in 50 years becasue of that
anyway, why worry about anything, haha. :)

【在 d*****r 的大作中提到】
: 所以结论是, 要么像你这样回国去做教授, 要么像我这样不做生物了?
:
: large inroads. My prediction is they will probably take presidency in two
: years.
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w*t
24 楼
yes, germany and switzerland,
and uk has UCL, which is way better than most US institutions in cellular
and systems neuroscience.

【在 p*******r 的大作中提到】
: No, the picture in England is far bleaker.
: I won't be surprised if they get a 30% cut in England next year.
: Germany and Switzerland are the bright spots now.
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z*t
25 楼
but Germany and Swiss is quite hard for Chinese to get in
Most PI in their institute comes from EU...

【在 p*******r 的大作中提到】
: No, the picture in England is far bleaker.
: I won't be surprised if they get a 30% cut in England next year.
: Germany and Switzerland are the bright spots now.
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O*e
26 楼
Obama will get his 2nd term. GOP does not have any good candidates.

large inroads. My prediction is they will probably take presidency in two
years.

【在 p*******r 的大作中提到】
: I heard from a colleague today. Election result is in, Republican made large inroads. My prediction is they will probably take presidency in two years.
: They proposed 20% cut to NSF and 10% cut to NIH for next year.
: The compromise number is likely to be around 5% for initial year.
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O*e
27 楼
Germany is doing really well -relatively. Switzerland is too small.

【在 p*******r 的大作中提到】
: No, the picture in England is far bleaker.
: I won't be surprised if they get a 30% cut in England next year.
: Germany and Switzerland are the bright spots now.
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O*e
28 楼
Global warming is not that urgent and serious as being claimed.

wall
byebye

【在 p*******r 的大作中提到】
: Actually it's not good for financial services either.
: Financial people back Democrats, that's why Obama hasn't really touched wall
: street in any real way.
: The Republicans are backed by oil money. I think we can probably kiss byebye
: to global warming laws now. We will all die in 50 years becasue of that
: anyway, why worry about anything, haha. :)
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K*S
29 楼
I think any GOP candidate can kick O8M out of oval office if he doesn't have
much "change" in the next 2 yrs.

【在 O******e 的大作中提到】
: Obama will get his 2nd term. GOP does not have any good candidates.
:
: large inroads. My prediction is they will probably take presidency in two
: years.
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K*S
30 楼
re, it's considered one of the biggest hoax.

【在 O******e 的大作中提到】
: Global warming is not that urgent and serious as being claimed.
:
: wall
: byebye
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O*e
31 楼
I wouldn't say it's a hoax ...

【在 K******S 的大作中提到】
: re, it's considered one of the biggest hoax.
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O*e
32 楼
How much do you want to bet on that?

have

【在 K******S 的大作中提到】
: I think any GOP candidate can kick O8M out of oval office if he doesn't have
: much "change" in the next 2 yrs.
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K*S
33 楼
whatever you want to bet. :)

【在 O******e 的大作中提到】
: How much do you want to bet on that?
:
: have
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K*S
34 楼
Let me put it this way. Global warming is much much more of a political
controversy than a real scientific discussion.

【在 O******e 的大作中提到】
: I wouldn't say it's a hoax ...
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p*r
35 楼

funding cut is scary. My friends at UCL thinking of jumping now.

【在 w***t 的大作中提到】
: yes, germany and switzerland,
: and uk has UCL, which is way better than most US institutions in cellular
: and systems neuroscience.
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p*r
36 楼
Alright, it seems the recent media campaign by the oil companies has worked.
:)

【在 K******S 的大作中提到】
: Let me put it this way. Global warming is much much more of a political
: controversy than a real scientific discussion.
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l*s
37 楼
financial guys back both sides ;-)

wall
byebye

【在 p*******r 的大作中提到】
: Actually it's not good for financial services either.
: Financial people back Democrats, that's why Obama hasn't really touched wall
: street in any real way.
: The Republicans are backed by oil money. I think we can probably kiss byebye
: to global warming laws now. We will all die in 50 years becasue of that
: anyway, why worry about anything, haha. :)
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l*s
38 楼
name some electable candidates I might have heard of.

have

【在 K******S 的大作中提到】
: I think any GOP candidate can kick O8M out of oval office if he doesn't have
: much "change" in the next 2 yrs.
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c*r
39 楼
European now has good system to support both big bull and young investigater
...ERC grant is a good example..
Also a lot of bio-tech company support basic and translational research in
University....the salary of scientist is really high...(Switzerland postdoc
,s salary is almost two fold of the US..)
maybe that is why some of the big shot left US for Singapore or Europe...
(Gil Laurent,Doug Hanahan....also I heard Frank Mckeon will soon move to
France or already?)
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w*y
40 楼
NO place in the world is good for basic biology research now.
China may be the only exception.
Switzerland has strong support for translational research,
but not basic biology research.

investigater
postdoc

【在 c********r 的大作中提到】
: European now has good system to support both big bull and young investigater
: ...ERC grant is a good example..
: Also a lot of bio-tech company support basic and translational research in
: University....the salary of scientist is really high...(Switzerland postdoc
: ,s salary is almost two fold of the US..)
: maybe that is why some of the big shot left US for Singapore or Europe...
: (Gil Laurent,Doug Hanahan....also I heard Frank Mckeon will soon move to
: France or already?)
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K*S
41 楼
on the other hand, it seems gore really grabs your attention.

worked.

【在 p*******r 的大作中提到】
: Alright, it seems the recent media campaign by the oil companies has worked.
: :)
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K*S
42 楼
LOL, have you heard of O8M before 08? And both senate and house were
controlled by democrats since 06. So personally I'm really sick of democrats
criticize republicans for the economy.

【在 l*********s 的大作中提到】
: name some electable candidates I might have heard of.
:
: have
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g*1
43 楼

not jumping from building, right?

【在 p*******r 的大作中提到】
: Alright, it seems the recent media campaign by the oil companies has worked.
: :)
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g*1
44 楼

what's the odds here? :) Let's set up a pool!
Checking Vegas and London odds now...

【在 O******e 的大作中提到】
: How much do you want to bet on that?
:
: have
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l*r
45 楼
被你说得哪里都不能活了

it

【在 p*******r 的大作中提到】
: Well, I am also worried about Chinese funding for science over long term,
: because I think China will sink with the rest of world eventually in this
: economic downturn which I think will last well over a decade, but I think it
: 's safe for next 3-5 years.
: Seriously, I would like to encourage people who are qualified to consider
: Tsinghua. It's not heaven, but your future will likely to be brighter than
: if you stayed in US.
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l*r
46 楼
我觉得奥八还是赶快滚了比较好

have

【在 K******S 的大作中提到】
: I think any GOP candidate can kick O8M out of oval office if he doesn't have
: much "change" in the next 2 yrs.
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O*e
47 楼
I like him, hoho...

【在 l*******r 的大作中提到】
: 我觉得奥八还是赶快滚了比较好
:
: have
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w*y
48 楼
because?

【在 O******e 的大作中提到】
: I like him, hoho...
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O*e
49 楼
Smart, good speaker, and a liberal. As a scientist and an immigrant, I
prefer
Democracts.

【在 w******y 的大作中提到】
: because?
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j*d
50 楼
你的cut论已经宣扬了快一年了吧？
我的信念是，基础研究在NIH会很痛苦，其实已经痛苦了（果蝇的大潮就看出来了）。
但是疾病方面的研究，无论美国还是中国，都是hot的领域。
拭目以待。我相信这是结构性调整。

large inroads. My prediction is they will probably take presidency in two
years.

【在 p*******r 的大作中提到】
: I heard from a colleague today. Election result is in, Republican made large inroads. My prediction is they will probably take presidency in two years.
: They proposed 20% cut to NSF and 10% cut to NIH for next year.
: The compromise number is likely to be around 5% for initial year.
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d*r
51 楼
"hot research area" actually doesn't mean much to ordinary biology
researchers like postdoc or even junior faculties. Similarly, "biology
will be hot in 21st century" was actually the biggest rosy/illusive
picture for biology students.

two

【在 j*****d 的大作中提到】
: 你的cut论已经宣扬了快一年了吧？
: 我的信念是，基础研究在NIH会很痛苦，其实已经痛苦了（果蝇的大潮就看出来了）。
: 但是疾病方面的研究，无论美国还是中国，都是hot的领域。
: 拭目以待。我相信这是结构性调整。
:
: large inroads. My prediction is they will probably take presidency in two
: years.
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l*d
52 楼
本土早就说过，做生物的就象农民。如果你只是小农一个，土里刨食的，这产品再怎么
畅销，好处也和你无缘。能够做到富农或者地主，那才有点关系。

【在 d*****r 的大作中提到】
: "hot research area" actually doesn't mean much to ordinary biology
: researchers like postdoc or even junior faculties. Similarly, "biology
: will be hot in 21st century" was actually the biggest rosy/illusive
: picture for biology students.
:
: two
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w*t
53 楼
lol, easy for you to say~

【在 d*****r 的大作中提到】
: "hot research area" actually doesn't mean much to ordinary biology
: researchers like postdoc or even junior faculties. Similarly, "biology
: will be hot in 21st century" was actually the biggest rosy/illusive
: picture for biology students.
:
: two
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w*t
54 楼
前不久听一个采访，某华女pi说前几年申不到钱差点回国
后来她进了hhmi，又有一两个r01，
可最近她做的工作实在江河日下，不堪入目，基本上是东抄西借
所以我的顾虑是，研究经费的宽裕可以导致很多平庸的研究，平庸的pi，然后后面跟着
一捆一捆trainee浪费宝贵青春

large inroads. My prediction is they will
probably take presidency in two years.

【在 p*******r 的大作中提到】
: I heard from a colleague today. Election result is in, Republican made large inroads. My prediction is they will probably take presidency in two years.
: They proposed 20% cut to NSF and 10% cut to NIH for next year.
: The compromise number is likely to be around 5% for initial year.
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r*r
55 楼
瑞士对基础研究很重视的

【在 w******y 的大作中提到】
: NO place in the world is good for basic biology research now.
: China may be the only exception.
: Switzerland has strong support for translational research,
: but not basic biology research.
:
: investigater
: postdoc
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c*r
56 楼
同意啊，别的先不说，瑞士就是每年SNSF和NCCR的钱就是大把大把的往外撒啊（相对这
么小的国家），撒钱的规模已经不小了。
而且NCCR里面很多项目可以连续资助超过10年的。。。
你再看看SNSF的博后和教授工资级别。。。
说瑞士不投钱给基础研究我是不太同意的。。至少我了解的情况还好
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c*r
57 楼

呵呵~~华女HHMI可是不多啊。。。。我大概猜出是谁了。。。

【在 w***t 的大作中提到】
: 前不久听一个采访，某华女pi说前几年申不到钱差点回国
: 后来她进了hhmi，又有一两个r01，
: 可最近她做的工作实在江河日下，不堪入目，基本上是东抄西借
: 所以我的顾虑是，研究经费的宽裕可以导致很多平庸的研究，平庸的pi，然后后面跟着
: 一捆一捆trainee浪费宝贵青春
:
: large inroads. My prediction is they will
: probably take presidency in two years.
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j*n
58 楼
Democrats 反合法移民的，你倒喜欢上他了？

【在 O******e 的大作中提到】
: Smart, good speaker, and a liberal. As a scientist and an immigrant, I
: prefer
: Democracts.
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O*e
59 楼
她做得也算是OK了，至少一直出东西。

【在 c********r 的大作中提到】
:
: 呵呵~~华女HHMI可是不多啊。。。。我大概猜出是谁了。。。
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O*e
60 楼
别太把自己头上这顶所谓合法的帽子太当回事了。移民就是移民，还分什么三六九等。
作为一个做science的，共和党和民主党的差距不要太大吧？？

【在 j*********n 的大作中提到】
: Democrats 反合法移民的，你倒喜欢上他了？
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G*m
61 楼
agree, switzerland invest large amount of money in research, higher % than
many countries...

【在 c********r 的大作中提到】
: 同意啊，别的先不说，瑞士就是每年SNSF和NCCR的钱就是大把大把的往外撒啊（相对这
: 么小的国家），撒钱的规模已经不小了。
: 而且NCCR里面很多项目可以连续资助超过10年的。。。
: 你再看看SNSF的博后和教授工资级别。。。
: 说瑞士不投钱给基础研究我是不太同意的。。至少我了解的情况还好
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l*r
62 楼
被你说得哪里都不能活了

it

【在 p*******r 的大作中提到】
: Well, I am also worried about Chinese funding for science over long term,
: because I think China will sink with the rest of world eventually in this
: economic downturn which I think will last well over a decade, but I think it
: 's safe for next 3-5 years.
: Seriously, I would like to encourage people who are qualified to consider
: Tsinghua. It's not heaven, but your future will likely to be brighter than
: if you stayed in US.
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l*r
63 楼
我觉得奥八还是赶快滚了比较好

have

【在 K******S 的大作中提到】
: I think any GOP candidate can kick O8M out of oval office if he doesn't have
: much "change" in the next 2 yrs.
avatar
O*e
64 楼
I like him, hoho...

【在 l*******r 的大作中提到】
: 我觉得奥八还是赶快滚了比较好
:
: have
avatar
w*y
65 楼
because?

【在 O******e 的大作中提到】
: I like him, hoho...
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O*e
66 楼
Smart, good speaker, and a liberal. As a scientist and an immigrant, I
prefer
Democracts.

【在 w******y 的大作中提到】
: because?
avatar
j*d
67 楼
你的cut论已经宣扬了快一年了吧？
我的信念是，基础研究在NIH会很痛苦，其实已经痛苦了（果蝇的大潮就看出来了）。
但是疾病方面的研究，无论美国还是中国，都是hot的领域。
拭目以待。我相信这是结构性调整。

large inroads. My prediction is they will probably take presidency in two
years.

【在 p*******r 的大作中提到】
: I heard from a colleague today. Election result is in, Republican made large inroads. My prediction is they will probably take presidency in two years.
: They proposed 20% cut to NSF and 10% cut to NIH for next year.
: The compromise number is likely to be around 5% for initial year.
avatar
d*r
68 楼
"hot research area" actually doesn't mean much to ordinary biology
researchers like postdoc or even junior faculties. Similarly, "biology
will be hot in 21st century" was actually the biggest rosy/illusive
picture for biology students.

two

【在 j*****d 的大作中提到】
: 你的cut论已经宣扬了快一年了吧？
: 我的信念是，基础研究在NIH会很痛苦，其实已经痛苦了（果蝇的大潮就看出来了）。
: 但是疾病方面的研究，无论美国还是中国，都是hot的领域。
: 拭目以待。我相信这是结构性调整。
:
: large inroads. My prediction is they will probably take presidency in two
: years.
avatar
w*t
69 楼
lol, easy for you to say~

【在 d*****r 的大作中提到】
: "hot research area" actually doesn't mean much to ordinary biology
: researchers like postdoc or even junior faculties. Similarly, "biology
: will be hot in 21st century" was actually the biggest rosy/illusive
: picture for biology students.
:
: two
avatar
w*t
70 楼
前不久听一个采访，某华女pi说前几年申不到钱差点回国
后来她进了hhmi，又有一两个r01，
可最近她做的工作实在江河日下，不堪入目，基本上是东抄西借
所以我的顾虑是，研究经费的宽裕可以导致很多平庸的研究，平庸的pi，然后后面跟着
一捆一捆trainee浪费宝贵青春

large inroads. My prediction is they will
probably take presidency in two years.

【在 p*******r 的大作中提到】
: I heard from a colleague today. Election result is in, Republican made large inroads. My prediction is they will probably take presidency in two years.
: They proposed 20% cut to NSF and 10% cut to NIH for next year.
: The compromise number is likely to be around 5% for initial year.
avatar
r*r
71 楼
瑞士对基础研究很重视的

【在 w******y 的大作中提到】
: NO place in the world is good for basic biology research now.
: China may be the only exception.
: Switzerland has strong support for translational research,
: but not basic biology research.
:
: investigater
: postdoc
avatar
c*r
72 楼
同意啊，别的先不说，瑞士就是每年SNSF和NCCR的钱就是大把大把的往外撒啊（相对这
么小的国家），撒钱的规模已经不小了。
而且NCCR里面很多项目可以连续资助超过10年的。。。
你再看看SNSF的博后和教授工资级别。。。
说瑞士不投钱给基础研究我是不太同意的。。至少我了解的情况还好
avatar
c*r
73 楼

呵呵~~华女HHMI可是不多啊。。。。我大概猜出是谁了。。。

【在 w***t 的大作中提到】
: 前不久听一个采访，某华女pi说前几年申不到钱差点回国
: 后来她进了hhmi，又有一两个r01，
: 可最近她做的工作实在江河日下，不堪入目，基本上是东抄西借
: 所以我的顾虑是，研究经费的宽裕可以导致很多平庸的研究，平庸的pi，然后后面跟着
: 一捆一捆trainee浪费宝贵青春
:
: large inroads. My prediction is they will
: probably take presidency in two years.
avatar
j*n
74 楼
Democrats 反合法移民的，你倒喜欢上他了？

【在 O******e 的大作中提到】
: Smart, good speaker, and a liberal. As a scientist and an immigrant, I
: prefer
: Democracts.
avatar
O*e
75 楼
她做得也算是OK了，至少一直出东西。

【在 c********r 的大作中提到】
:
: 呵呵~~华女HHMI可是不多啊。。。。我大概猜出是谁了。。。
avatar
O*e
76 楼
别太把自己头上这顶所谓合法的帽子太当回事了。移民就是移民，还分什么三六九等。
作为一个做science的，共和党和民主党的差距不要太大吧？？

【在 j*********n 的大作中提到】
: Democrats 反合法移民的，你倒喜欢上他了？
avatar
G*m
77 楼
agree, switzerland invest large amount of money in research, higher % than
many countries...

【在 c********r 的大作中提到】
: 同意啊，别的先不说，瑞士就是每年SNSF和NCCR的钱就是大把大把的往外撒啊（相对这
: 么小的国家），撒钱的规模已经不小了。
: 而且NCCR里面很多项目可以连续资助超过10年的。。。
: 你再看看SNSF的博后和教授工资级别。。。
: 说瑞士不投钱给基础研究我是不太同意的。。至少我了解的情况还好
avatar
l*n
78 楼
看来小奥不行了，明年。

large inroads. My prediction is they will probably take presidency in two
years.

【在 p*******r 的大作中提到】
: I heard from a colleague today. Election result is in, Republican made large inroads. My prediction is they will probably take presidency in two years.
: They proposed 20% cut to NSF and 10% cut to NIH for next year.
: The compromise number is likely to be around 5% for initial year.
avatar
l*d
79 楼
你这都是哪里来的小道消息。
这文章也mark,这是nsf 7月底的官方消息。
If 20% nsf cut, 估计大家都没兴趣写proposals.
http://www.nsf.gov/about/congress/
HOUSE APPROPRIATIONS COMMITTEE MAINTAINS NSF FUNDING LEVELS
July 28, 2011
On Wednesday, July 13, the U.S. House of Representatives Committee on Approp
riations marked up the FY 2012 Commerce, Justice, Science, and Related Agenc
ies Appropriations Bill (CJS) and provided $6.9 billion for the National Sci
ence Foundation (NSF). The Committee held NSF's budget flat relative to the
FY 2011 enacted level, but changed the appropriated levels for three of NSF'
s six accounts.
The Research and Related Activities (R&RA) account received $5.6 billion. Th
is change is roughly a 1 percent ($43 million) increase over the FY 2011 ena
cted level and a 10 percent ($647 million) decrease below President Obama's
budget request. The Education and Human Resources (EHR) account is funded at
$835 million, a decrease of 3 percent ($26 million) compared to the FY 2011
enacted level, and 8 percent ($77 million) below the President's request. T
he Major Research Equipment and Facilities Construction (MREFC) account is f
unded at $100 million; nearly 15 percent ($17 million) below the FY 2011 ena
cted level and 55 percent ($125 million) below the President's request. Full
story/Appropriations Table

large inroads. My prediction is they will probably take presidency in two
years.

【在 p*******r 的大作中提到】
: I heard from a colleague today. Election result is in, Republican made large inroads. My prediction is they will probably take presidency in two years.
: They proposed 20% cut to NSF and 10% cut to NIH for next year.
: The compromise number is likely to be around 5% for initial year.
avatar
p*r
80 楼
yes. I fear for him...

【在 l**********n 的大作中提到】
: 看来小奥不行了，明年。
:
: large inroads. My prediction is they will probably take presidency in two
: years.
avatar
p*r
81 楼
So my prediction was wrong. I am happy about that.
haha...

Approp
Agenc
Sci
the

【在 l***d 的大作中提到】
: 你这都是哪里来的小道消息。
: 这文章也mark,这是nsf 7月底的官方消息。
: If 20% nsf cut, 估计大家都没兴趣写proposals.
: http://www.nsf.gov/about/congress/
: HOUSE APPROPRIATIONS COMMITTEE MAINTAINS NSF FUNDING LEVELS
: July 28, 2011
: On Wednesday, July 13, the U.S. House of Representatives Committee on Approp
: riations marked up the FY 2012 Commerce, Justice, Science, and Related Agenc
: ies Appropriations Bill (CJS) and provided $6.9 billion for the National Sci
: ence Foundation (NSF). The Committee held NSF's budget flat relative to the
avatar
l*n
82 楼
要是明年共和党既控制了国会又占了白宫，情况就两说了。他们不干，茶党也会逼着
他们干，何况还有个不能砍的军工复合体。

【在 p*******r 的大作中提到】
: So my prediction was wrong. I am happy about that.
: haha...
:
: Approp
: Agenc
: Sci
: the
avatar
p*r
83 楼

是的。而且现在股票崩盘了，就是民主党能保住，可能也在经济二次探底的压力下要砍
开支。
不过据说Obama开始动华尔街了，不是还要告银行？这个倒是出乎我意料。
如果他们真能搬倒华尔街，那美国还有救，不过我不抱多大希望。
美国唯一的解决方法就是增富人的税。

【在 l**********n 的大作中提到】
: 要是明年共和党既控制了国会又占了白宫，情况就两说了。他们不干，茶党也会逼着
: 他们干，何况还有个不能砍的军工复合体。
avatar
p*r
84 楼
而且去年的stimulus　package其实是把下面几年的科研经费给透支出去了。

【在 l**********n 的大作中提到】
: 要是明年共和党既控制了国会又占了白宫，情况就两说了。他们不干，茶党也会逼着
: 他们干，何况还有个不能砍的军工复合体。
avatar
l*n
85 楼
美国的华尔街，中国的房地产，两大 greedy groups...

【在 p*******r 的大作中提到】
: 而且去年的stimulus　package其实是把下面几年的科研经费给透支出去了。
avatar
j*d
86 楼
你的确错了，就算CUT也是结构性调整
就好比一个公司盈利不行了，是会砍掉某些部门、某些产品
但核心和新兴部门产品反而有机会得到更好的照顾
对于这种问题（CUT），光做出一个CUT的结论容易misleading

【在 p*******r 的大作中提到】
: So my prediction was wrong. I am happy about that.
: haha...
:
: Approp
: Agenc
: Sci
: the
avatar
t*m
87 楼
well said

【在 O******e 的大作中提到】
: Obama will get his 2nd term. GOP does not have any good candidates.
:
: large inroads. My prediction is they will probably take presidency in two
: years.
avatar
t*m
88 楼
the climate was much warmer in Han and Tan dynasty than today.

【在 O******e 的大作中提到】
: Global warming is not that urgent and serious as being claimed.
:
: wall
: byebye
avatar
t*m
89 楼
米国的解决办法是降低生活水平，重新获得竞争力。

要砍

【在 l**********n 的大作中提到】
: 美国的华尔街，中国的房地产，两大 greedy groups...
avatar
o*4
90 楼
who?

【在 c********r 的大作中提到】
:
: 呵呵~~华女HHMI可是不多啊。。。。我大概猜出是谁了。。。
avatar
h*r
91 楼
three chinese female hmmi
zhuang, xiaowei
yan, dang
zheng, ???

【在 o**4 的大作中提到】
: who?
avatar
j*d
92 楼
jue chen?

【在 h********r 的大作中提到】
: three chinese female hmmi
: zhuang, xiaowei
: yan, dang
: zheng, ???
avatar
d*y
93 楼
砍的这些钱还不够打几天仗的。
avatar
f*4
94 楼
ERC是特殊的。计划在2007年就做好了，一直到2013年。每年递增。
2013 年这个项目取消是毫无疑问的。

investigater
postdoc

【在 c********r 的大作中提到】
: European now has good system to support both big bull and young investigater
: ...ERC grant is a good example..
: Also a lot of bio-tech company support basic and translational research in
: University....the salary of scientist is really high...(Switzerland postdoc
: ,s salary is almost two fold of the US..)
: maybe that is why some of the big shot left US for Singapore or Europe...
: (Gil Laurent,Doug Hanahan....also I heard Frank Mckeon will soon move to
: France or already?)
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