Re: Science的理念和Engineering的理念 - 未名空间MITBBS历史存档

国际科技财经博客移民网络热点娱乐民生时事公众号

Redian新闻

>未名空间

>Biology - 生物学

Re: Science的理念和Engineering的理念

Re: Science的理念和Engineering的理念# Biology - 生物学

L*S2012-08-20 07:08

1 楼

如果我是CC公司
有人长期不用卡，关卡（小样的，不拉屎还占着坑）
有人拿到bonus后一个月不用，关卡（小样的吃了就走？）
有人短期猛开很多卡，大多数都有promotion bonus，拒（抢钱啊？）
有人连续几次reconsider 通过，关卡（我后悔了）

z*n2012-08-20 07:08

2 楼

【以下文字转载自 Automobile 讨论区】
发信人: yling (yling), 信区: Automobile
标题: Re: 05 Ford Five Hundred这个车怎么样？
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Tue Aug 17 18:07:33 2010, 美东)
尽量不要买 CVT 的 Model。
500还有一个马甲：水星梦特娇（Mercury Montego）。对 500 感兴趣的话，也多看看
梦特娇。多一种选择。

a*y2012-08-20 07:08

3 楼

t*d2012-08-20 07:08

4 楼

想弄一个便宜的能带hdmi接口的平板，其他时候偶尔用用。看看好像台电的价格都是
1000－700，感觉spec还行，就是不知道质量怎样。请问有人用过吗？现在便宜的好像
都是a10芯片的，老了一点，但是如果视频播放没有问题旧好。

j*d2012-08-20 07:08

5 楼

Another angle to look at Science vs Engineer:
Science is more of being the 1st - discover sth people never know before (
Newton's princples, genetic DNA, etc).
Engineer is more of optimization (of what we know we can do) to improve
efficiency, reduce cost, etc. Make a airplane, DNA sequencing of plasmid.

In between, as the 1st to do sth that demonstrate it is doable. The first
airplance, the first DNA sequencing of the very first plasmid, etc.
Using DNA as an example, the dsDNA in 1950's was clearly Science, which was
a revolution to human's knowledge, certainly deserve to be published on
Nature. Then, someone first figure out how to sequence a plasmid, again got
on Nature, but not the same impact as the dsDNA. After that, the DNA
sequencing of a plasmid got optimized so that a middle-school student can do
it after a few hours of training - and the work itself is nowhere to be
published.
That said, no one shall look down Engineer. The fact is that, if your
company do it fast and cheap than others, you certainly can make a lot of
money from DNA sequencing of plasmids! At the same time, the efficiency and
reduced cost support more scientific discovery.

s*r2012-08-20 07:08

6 楼

那你这个公司倒闭一定很快
不过也好省得你一个一个去关卡了 lol

T*e2012-08-20 07:08

7 楼

JP?

【在 z**n 的大作中提到】

: 【以下文字转载自 Automobile 讨论区】
: 发信人: yling (yling), 信区: Automobile
: 标题: Re: 05 Ford Five Hundred这个车怎么样？
: 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Tue Aug 17 18:07:33 2010, 美东)
: 尽量不要买 CVT 的 Model。
: 500还有一个马甲：水星梦特娇（Mercury Montego）。对 500 感兴趣的话，也多看看
: 梦特娇。多一种选择。

p*a2012-08-20 07:08

8 楼

台电是啥？

【在 t****d 的大作中提到】

: 想弄一个便宜的能带hdmi接口的平板，其他时候偶尔用用。看看好像台电的价格都是
: 1000－700，感觉spec还行，就是不知道质量怎样。请问有人用过吗？现在便宜的好像
: 都是a10芯片的，老了一点，但是如果视频播放没有问题旧好。

z*h2012-08-20 07:08

9 楼

Frankly speaking, I think that engineers look down to scientists. Most of
fundamental R&D is useless. A small fraction of fundamental breakthroughs
may have great impacts but most are achieved by engineers rather than
scientists.

z*i2012-08-20 07:08

10 楼

有人短期猛开很多卡，大多数都有promotion bonus，拒（抢钱啊？）
只能看到这个人短期猛开卡，看不到他拿别家的卡有没有bonus吧

b*e2012-08-20 07:08

11 楼

小点？

【在 z**n 的大作中提到】

t*d2012-08-20 07:08

12 楼

以前一个国内的山寨厂，做多了以后自己推品牌了，据说算是不错的牌子

j*d2012-08-20 07:08

13 楼

That is naturally true - breakthroughs were rare and optimization were
everywhere. Even if there was a breakthrough, sometime it was great, but
not very useful. I think that is partially Engineer relatively easy to find
job, while Scientists are having a hard time. But a few breakthrough did
form the foundation, without these, many of the great engineer achievement
simply were impossible.
Like a trillion, 1000,000,000,000, if you think Science as the "1" in front,
and all engineer as the 12 "0" following it - both the 1 and the 0s are
important and hard to say who is more important than the other - tie.

b*n2012-08-20 07:08

14 楼

我也觉得。这种耍小聪明的CC公司其实是聪明反被聪明误。

【在 s*******r 的大作中提到】

: 那你这个公司倒闭一定很快
: 不过也好省得你一个一个去关卡了 lol

p*e2012-08-20 07:08

15 楼

梦特娇，还啵死你呢

k*12012-08-20 07:08

16 楼

你这个比喻，如果“1”指的是牛顿和爱因斯坦这样的，那倒是不错，否则的话就是个
笑话了。

find
front,

【在 j********d 的大作中提到】

: That is naturally true - breakthroughs were rare and optimization were
: everywhere. Even if there was a breakthrough, sometime it was great, but
: not very useful. I think that is partially Engineer relatively easy to find
: job, while Scientists are having a hard time. But a few breakthrough did
: form the foundation, without these, many of the great engineer achievement
: simply were impossible.
: Like a trillion, 1000,000,000,000, if you think Science as the "1" in front,
: and all engineer as the 12 "0" following it - both the 1 and the 0s are
: important and hard to say who is more important than the other - tie.

L*S2012-08-20 07:08

17 楼

我怎么觉得不是cc公司耍小聪明，而是我们自己啊：）

【在 b*******n 的大作中提到】

: 我也觉得。这种耍小聪明的CC公司其实是聪明反被聪明误。

h*n2012-08-20 07:08

18 楼

engineering also more of larger scale.

was

【在 j********d 的大作中提到】

: Another angle to look at Science vs Engineer:
: Science is more of being the 1st - discover sth people never know before (
: Newton's princples, genetic DNA, etc).
: Engineer is more of optimization (of what we know we can do) to improve
: efficiency, reduce cost, etc. Make a airplane, DNA sequencing of plasmid.
:
: In between, as the 1st to do sth that demonstrate it is doable. The first
: airplance, the first DNA sequencing of the very first plasmid, etc.
: Using DNA as an example, the dsDNA in 1950's was clearly Science, which was
: a revolution to human's knowledge, certainly deserve to be published on

i*y2012-08-20 07:08

19 楼

cc公司也是要给他们的client和股东show number的，这个季度或者这个年度我们又ope
n了多少new account。现在你觉得这个make sense了吗？

【在 L*S 的大作中提到】

: 我怎么觉得不是cc公司耍小聪明，而是我们自己啊：）

L*S2012-08-20 07:08

20 楼

另外一方面，他们也要show number说我们为此支出了多少钱，
以后我们是不是还要这么干：）

ope

【在 i**y 的大作中提到】

: cc公司也是要给他们的client和股东show number的，这个季度或者这个年度我们又ope
: n了多少new account。现在你觉得这个make sense了吗？

HQ2012-08-20 07:08

21 楼

你当你在北美大陆面对的是2亿中国人？
你用中国人的思维面对美国大众来制定策略，还不觉得自己耍小聪明？

【在 L*S 的大作中提到】

: 我怎么觉得不是cc公司耍小聪明，而是我们自己啊：）

l*e2012-08-20 07:08

22 楼

世面上大部分好卡都在chase和amex手中，他们霸道点也米办法呀。

【在 b*******n 的大作中提到】

: 我也觉得。这种耍小聪明的CC公司其实是聪明反被聪明误。