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家乐福卖身腾讯,正式退出中国市场!# Business - 商学院
a*g
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以后取出来的时候不会搞错了,再上一次税吧?
有什么好处吗?
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l*y
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去年OPT(F1>5y)在georgia工作了几个月, 5月-12 月.之前一直在texas.
我报georgia州税时,是resident还是non resident呢
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S*y
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家乐福是法国的超市连锁机构,在中国也经营了很多年,开了很多门店,但是家乐福终
于还是抵不过中国境内强大的对手竞争,再加上电商“天猫超市”和“京东超市”等等
的冲击,法国总部是裁员了2000人,然后把中国的部分,卖给了腾讯和永辉。
腾讯现在是想要全方位的跟阿里巴巴竞争,很多人也都说了,国内的商界巨头,只有两
个,一个是阿里巴巴,一个是腾讯,其他的都排不上号。
腾讯收购了家乐福,也说明是在零售业方面针对马云的“新零售”有个竞争的意思。
家乐福我曾经去过北京的店,确实没有什么亮点,而且还曾经涉嫌辱华,故意打折,然
后拍摄中国老百姓疯狂抢购的画面,嘲笑中国人,记得是2009年左右的事情吧,从那之
后,中国也掀起来了抵制家乐福的小高潮,然后不知道是电商的冲击太大了,还是人们
真的对家乐福的印象很不好了,家乐福在中国的业务,确实是从2009年开始,就一蹶不
振了。
逐年下滑的销售额和利润,家乐福终于扛不住了,现在退出中国,也是对的,中国有大
润发和永辉等等,还有电商的超市,已经不再需要家乐福了。
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K*D
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The benefit is you are betting you will have higher tax rate
when you take the money out after retiring.
For example, someone likes to suddenly buy a yacht by cash
at age 65. It saves you a lot of you have a Roth account.

【在 a******g 的大作中提到】
: 以后取出来的时候不会搞错了,再上一次税吧?
: 有什么好处吗?

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o*o
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腾讯挺牛逼呀
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t*s
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after-tax != roth.

【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: The benefit is you are betting you will have higher tax rate
: when you take the money out after retiring.
: For example, someone likes to suddenly buy a yacht by cash
: at age 65. It saves you a lot of you have a Roth account.

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d*m
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走好,小时候经常去
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K*D
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Not Roth 401(k)? @[email protected]

【在 t***s 的大作中提到】
: after-tax != roth.
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d*m
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腾寻的OICQ
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t*s
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there's 3 kinds: pre-tax 401k, after-tax 401k, and roth 401k

【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: Not Roth 401(k)? @[email protected]
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a*g
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I am talking about after-tax 401K.
I don't see any benefit of it. Maybe just make a portfolio larger?

【在 t***s 的大作中提到】
: there's 3 kinds: pre-tax 401k, after-tax 401k, and roth 401k
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a*g
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自己re一下
google到下面这段关于after-tax 401K
"Because you've already been taxed on your after-tax contributions,
you won't be taxed again when you withdraw those contributions from
the plan. However, you'll be taxed on the investment earnings when
you take a withdrawal."
看来好处就是profit可以tax-deferred.
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c*o
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就是traditonal IRA的意思了?
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K*D
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seems higher limit?

【在 c****o 的大作中提到】
: 就是traditonal IRA的意思了?
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s*d
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non-deductible traditional IRA

【在 c****o 的大作中提到】
: 就是traditonal IRA的意思了?
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a*g
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traditional IRA是pre-tax的
感觉after-tax 401K更接近Roth IRA. 但是区别是Roth IRA的profit/loss完全免税,
after-tax 401K最后还是要交profit的税。 至于loss怎么报税我不知道。

【在 c****o 的大作中提到】
: 就是traditonal IRA的意思了?
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s*d
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"after-tax 401K最后还是要交profit的税"
where did you learn this?
There are only two types of 401(k), traditional and Roth, traditional is pre
-tax, Roth is after-tax. There are three types of IRAs, traditional, Roth,
and non-deductable IRA.
You can contribute to either types of 401(k) as long as your company offers
them.
You can contribute to a traditional IRA (individual retirement account, or,
annuity) and deduct the contribution if you income is less than a threshold,
maybe 60,000 as a single or 80,0

【在 a******g 的大作中提到】
: traditional IRA是pre-tax的
: 感觉after-tax 401K更接近Roth IRA. 但是区别是Roth IRA的profit/loss完全免税,
: after-tax 401K最后还是要交profit的税。 至于loss怎么报税我不知道。

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t*s
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no. there's 3 types. why ppl want to conribute to after-tax 401k,
i don't know.

pre
offers
,
threshold,

【在 s*******d 的大作中提到】
: "after-tax 401K最后还是要交profit的税"
: where did you learn this?
: There are only two types of 401(k), traditional and Roth, traditional is pre
: -tax, Roth is after-tax. There are three types of IRAs, traditional, Roth,
: and non-deductable IRA.
: You can contribute to either types of 401(k) as long as your company offers
: them.
: You can contribute to a traditional IRA (individual retirement account, or,
: annuity) and deduct the contribution if you income is less than a threshold,
: maybe 60,000 as a single or 80,0

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s*n
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there are 3 types of 401K,
traditional (pre-tax)
post-tax
Roth.

pre
offers
,
threshold,

【在 s*******d 的大作中提到】
: "after-tax 401K最后还是要交profit的税"
: where did you learn this?
: There are only two types of 401(k), traditional and Roth, traditional is pre
: -tax, Roth is after-tax. There are three types of IRAs, traditional, Roth,
: and non-deductable IRA.
: You can contribute to either types of 401(k) as long as your company offers
: them.
: You can contribute to a traditional IRA (individual retirement account, or,
: annuity) and deduct the contribution if you income is less than a threshold,
: maybe 60,000 as a single or 80,0

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r*y
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因为没有别的choice了?IRA不qualify或者都投满了。。钱多的没处找tax benefit?
我猜的。。呵呵

【在 t***s 的大作中提到】
: no. there's 3 types. why ppl want to conribute to after-tax 401k,
: i don't know.
:
: pre
: offers
: ,
: threshold,

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s*d
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after-tax 401(k)跟non-deductible IRA一回事,不是roth。
唯一的好处是tax-deferred growth。
没事别搞这个,很烦的,你一旦有这个,以后的所有distribution
都有tax问题,不能指定从pre-tax或after-tax拿钱。401(k) IRA
都有这个问题。tax deferred growth虽然有好处,但不是很大。
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t*s
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i think all 401k share the same annual cap.

【在 r****y 的大作中提到】
: 因为没有别的choice了?IRA不qualify或者都投满了。。钱多的没处找tax benefit?
: 我猜的。。呵呵

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s*n
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no, traditional and roth share the annual cap of $16,500.
Post-tax 401K doesn't have any cap.

【在 t***s 的大作中提到】
: i think all 401k share the same annual cap.
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t*s
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ok. then it makes a little bit more sense.

【在 s*****n 的大作中提到】
: no, traditional and roth share the annual cap of $16,500.
: Post-tax 401K doesn't have any cap.

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s*n
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Actually, post-tax 401K is not a good choice, at least for most people. Even
one wants to save more in addition to the annual cap, one should put the mo
ney into a regular brokage account. Although it is not tax-advantaged, if on
e hold the securities long, the gain will be taxed as long term capital gain
, with low tax rate.
However, for the post-tax 401K, capital gain will be taxed as regular income
when it is withdrawn. It is even worse than other accounts, from a taxation
perspective.
There

【在 t***s 的大作中提到】
: ok. then it makes a little bit more sense.
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a*g
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看来401k after-tax最大的好处就是每年报税的时候可以省点事,不用填sch D了

Even
mo
on
gain
income
taxation
management
accessi

【在 s*****n 的大作中提到】
: Actually, post-tax 401K is not a good choice, at least for most people. Even
: one wants to save more in addition to the annual cap, one should put the mo
: ney into a regular brokage account. Although it is not tax-advantaged, if on
: e hold the securities long, the gain will be taxed as long term capital gain
: , with low tax rate.
: However, for the post-tax 401K, capital gain will be taxed as regular income
: when it is withdrawn. It is even worse than other accounts, from a taxation
: perspective.
: There

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s*d
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好处绝对比这个多。
after-tax 401k等你换工作的时候可以rollover到non-deductible ira.
non-deductible ira明年以后可以随意convert成roth ira

【在 a******g 的大作中提到】
: 看来401k after-tax最大的好处就是每年报税的时候可以省点事,不用填sch D了
:
: Even
: mo
: on
: gain
: income
: taxation
: management
: accessi

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G*t
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convert成roth ira 可以分期分批么?一次性转换税太多了啊。

【在 s******d 的大作中提到】
: 好处绝对比这个多。
: after-tax 401k等你换工作的时候可以rollover到non-deductible ira.
: non-deductible ira明年以后可以随意convert成roth ira

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s*p
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问个问题,non-deductible ira的profit部分在convert to Roth IRA时还是要交税的
吧?是不是跟deductible traditional IRA区别就是IRA basis那部分不用交?

【在 s******d 的大作中提到】
: 好处绝对比这个多。
: after-tax 401k等你换工作的时候可以rollover到non-deductible ira.
: non-deductible ira明年以后可以随意convert成roth ira

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s*n
30
yes. There is no way to avoid taxation on earnings/gains, except Roth (401K/
IRA) accounts.

【在 s**p 的大作中提到】
: 问个问题,non-deductible ira的profit部分在convert to Roth IRA时还是要交税的
: 吧?是不是跟deductible traditional IRA区别就是IRA basis那部分不用交?

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s*n
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不是明年以后吧, 是2010年only.
而且即使convert, 收益部分也要交税, 不怎么划算.
如果已经有TIRA, 那问题会更大, convert的时候, 是按照pro-rated方式进行的, 如果
IRA帐号里面有3w traditional 和 2w non-deductible的, 你选择convert 2w, 那么会
按比例给你convert 1.2w traditional 和 0.8w non-deductible, 好像无法选择我只c
onvert non-deductible的部分.

【在 s******d 的大作中提到】
: 好处绝对比这个多。
: after-tax 401k等你换工作的时候可以rollover到non-deductible ira.
: non-deductible ira明年以后可以随意convert成roth ira

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l*i
32


【在 s**********d 的大作中提到】
: after-tax 401(k)跟non-deductible IRA一回事,不是roth。
: 唯一的好处是tax-deferred growth。
: 没事别搞这个,很烦的,你一旦有这个,以后的所有distribution
: 都有tax问题,不能指定从pre-tax或after-tax拿钱。401(k) IRA
: 都有这个问题。tax deferred growth虽然有好处,但不是很大。

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t*s
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好像不止一年。具体几年我也忘了。这个conversion的具体规定哪里可以看?比如
什么时候就可以convert,account value按什么时候的算,是1月1日,还是conversion
date,还是12月31日?

只c

【在 s*****n 的大作中提到】
: 不是明年以后吧, 是2010年only.
: 而且即使convert, 收益部分也要交税, 不怎么划算.
: 如果已经有TIRA, 那问题会更大, convert的时候, 是按照pro-rated方式进行的, 如果
: IRA帐号里面有3w traditional 和 2w non-deductible的, 你选择convert 2w, 那么会
: 按比例给你convert 1.2w traditional 和 0.8w non-deductible, 好像无法选择我只c
: onvert non-deductible的部分.

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s*n
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好像就是2010年一年之内.
具体哪一天无所谓, 任何一天都行.
你convert的时候, 会产生tax, 整体算在2010年的tax file里面.

conversion

【在 t***s 的大作中提到】
: 好像不止一年。具体几年我也忘了。这个conversion的具体规定哪里可以看?比如
: 什么时候就可以convert,account value按什么时候的算,是1月1日,还是conversion
: date,还是12月31日?
:
: 只c

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