招博后：纳米材料的合成，组装及其表面增强# Chemistry - 化学
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准备时间比较长，塞的肉太多，煮时间长了点。肉里面加了香菇，马蹄，小粉，盐，油，水，酱油，姜，葱。
剩下的肉糜做了几个大肉丸子，做了狮子头汤。汤底用的玉米排骨汤，玉米的鲜甜味，
正好让汤有淮扬味道。
剩下的肉糜做了几个大肉丸子，做了狮子头汤。汤底用的玉米排骨汤，玉米的鲜甜味，
正好让汤有淮扬味道。
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本人属音响白痴级菜鸟，希望不需要太多的技术知识就能达到不错的效果。大家别笑话哈
两个音箱都是在完成initiation后基本的调试下比较的，Yamaha 的Ypao和Onkyo的
Audessey，音质比较用的USB接Iphone input，2.0 stereo，音箱Polk M60。 感想如下：
1. 功率：Yamaha 673 power M60 明显没劲儿，其实这个早知道，兔子同学也跟我说了
要选功率较大那个，只是没想到效果区别这么大。Onkyo一上全家都被震撼了，音质很
赞，我还什么都没调呢。如果power 小点功率的音箱我想yamaha应该也不错
2. 界面：雅马哈的GUI比较简陋，看着灰蒙蒙的。我查了好多次manual才弄懂一些基本
应用。 Onkyo有点21世纪的感觉了，intuitive，就我这种菜鸟也能顺藤摸瓜，不用看
manual就弄个差不离
3. Iphone USB：我只是想试试最简单的USB input， 这个yamaha不知道怎么想的，不
能从iphone 直接控制，得通过yamaha的界面选music or video。Onkyo插上就能从
iphone控制，也可以用onkyo remote 上的playback buttons。Yamaha wired
connection我也试过，似乎不如onkyo方便
4. Remote Control and Front Matters: Yamaha RC长，起码有五，六十个button，看
着有点晕。Onkyo的短粗胖，挺和手，button少，我没全试所以不敢评价功能。
Receiver前脸Yamaha做的好，buttons很清楚，Onkyo我一个钮也看不清，绝对要打手电
的，呵呵。不过remote弄熟了也用不着看清
比了半天也不知道这两个有没有可比性，毕竟Onkyo 贵了130呢
两个音箱都是在完成initiation后基本的调试下比较的，Yamaha 的Ypao和Onkyo的
Audessey，音质比较用的USB接Iphone input，2.0 stereo，音箱Polk M60。 感想如下：
1. 功率：Yamaha 673 power M60 明显没劲儿，其实这个早知道，兔子同学也跟我说了
要选功率较大那个，只是没想到效果区别这么大。Onkyo一上全家都被震撼了，音质很
赞，我还什么都没调呢。如果power 小点功率的音箱我想yamaha应该也不错
2. 界面：雅马哈的GUI比较简陋，看着灰蒙蒙的。我查了好多次manual才弄懂一些基本
应用。 Onkyo有点21世纪的感觉了，intuitive，就我这种菜鸟也能顺藤摸瓜，不用看
manual就弄个差不离
3. Iphone USB：我只是想试试最简单的USB input， 这个yamaha不知道怎么想的，不
能从iphone 直接控制，得通过yamaha的界面选music or video。Onkyo插上就能从
iphone控制，也可以用onkyo remote 上的playback buttons。Yamaha wired
connection我也试过，似乎不如onkyo方便
4. Remote Control and Front Matters: Yamaha RC长，起码有五，六十个button，看
着有点晕。Onkyo的短粗胖，挺和手，button少，我没全试所以不敢评价功能。
Receiver前脸Yamaha做的好，buttons很清楚，Onkyo我一个钮也看不清，绝对要打手电
的，呵呵。不过remote弄熟了也用不着看清
比了半天也不知道这两个有没有可比性，毕竟Onkyo 贵了130呢
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POLITICS AND POLICY
Push to Tax ‘529’ Plans Stokes Debate
Obama Touts Proposal as Means to Restructure Student Aid, but Critics See
Challenges for Middle Class
ENLARGE
By JOSH MITCHELL
Updated Jan. 22, 2015 4:04 p.m. ET
240 COMMENTS
President Barack Obama ’s push to start taxing college-saving accounts,
including the popular “529” accounts, would affect millions of Americans
who are stashing money for their children’s education, stirring debate
about how to structure federal student aid and how to define the middle
class.
The proposal, which has sparked a public backlash but faces dim prospects in
Congress, targets so-called 529 savings accounts that boomed after Congress
passed the tax breaks starting in 2001. States have promoted the plans as a
way for middle-class parents to combat escalating college costs.
The president’s push, unveiled as part of a broader tax overhaul last
weekend, would strip the main federal tax benefit from the plans by taxing
any money earned from future contributions. Currently, earnings aren’t
taxed and the White House says existing funds would be shielded from the new
tax.
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Administration officials say the changes are part of a move to restructure a
slew of education tax benefits that, according to the College Board,
amounted to $17.4 billion in 2012. The net effect would be to boost aid for
low- and middle-income families while removing benefits currently enjoyed by
wealthier families, the White House said.
The president’s proposal, which has critics within his own party, has
generated concern among middle-income families who say they prefer the
current system.
Elizabeth Philips, a single mother in San Diego, opened a 529 plan last year
for her two boys, ages 6 and 9. She said that without more details, she is
skeptical.
“I think we should be making it easier for parents to get started with 529s
and not add any more roadblocks,” said Ms. Philips, who said she earns six
figures but under $150,000 as a marketing professional at a technology
company. At time of rising college costs, she said, “the No. 1 thing people
should be doing is setting up these accounts as early as possible to
maximize the time value of money.”
To buttress its case in the context of a sharpened focus on the middle class
, the White House points out that around 70% of funds in 529 accounts and
lesser-known Coverdell plans—which would also be affected—belong to
households earning more than $200,000 a year. Thus the benefit of the tax
break skews heavily toward the highest earners.
While the president’s push to eliminate tax breaks on ‘529’ college-
saving plans isn’t likely to clear Congress, it has sparked debate over how
to structure student aid and how to define the middle class. Here, the
University of Mississippi campus in Oxford. ENLARGE
While the president’s push to eliminate tax breaks on ‘529’ college-
saving plans isn’t likely to clear Congress, it has sparked debate over how
to structure student aid and how to define the middle class. Here, the
University of Mississippi campus in Oxford. PHOTO: ASSOCIATED PRESS
Chye-Ching Huang, senior tax policy analyst at left-leaning Center on Budget
and Policy Priorities, said the president’s plan is sound. “Overall, the
plan would scale back benefits that primarily benefit students from high-
income families and would attain college anyway without those tax subsidies,
and redirect it more towards people who actually need help for college and
more likely to react to incentives,” Ms. Huang said.
Slightly over half of all the college-saving accounts are held by Americans
making under $150,000 a year, according to a 2012 Government Accountability
Office report. About 30% earned under $100,000 a year. There are about 12
million 529 accounts in total, according to the College Savings Plan Network
, an industry group, while the average balance in a 529 account is about $21
,000—enough to cover almost two years average tuition, room and board—
minus aid—at a public four-year university.
Ryan Ellis, tax policy director for the conservative think tank Americans
for Tax Reform, said the proposal violates an Obama campaign pledge to not
raise taxes on middle-income Americans.
“This idea that this is an account for the preserve of the Huxtables out
there that make $250,000 a year is kind of ridiculous,” Mr. Ellis said.
Many owners of 529 plans are young parents who take pride in saving money in
advance for their children’s college education, he said. “You’ve made
them look like chumps for saving whatever they’ve saved so far.”
Other critics, including Capitol Hill Republicans and conservative think
tanks, said the president’s plan of “streamlining” education tax benefits
was vague and that removing the 529 tax break would ultimately hurt middle-
income families. The change, critics say, would dissuade parents from saving
and ultimately push more families to borrow for educations at a time when
student debt burdening many middle-class Americans.
“What these accounts are designed for is the middle-income families that
can’t afford to pay as you go and aren’t going to get need-based aid,”
said Betty Lochner, head of the College Savings Plan Network. “It doesn’t
make any sense to” take away the incentive to save, she said. Ultimately,
many families would have to borrow more to cover expenses without the 529
tax break, she said.
The White House said 529 plans would continue to receive “favorable” tax
treatment even with the proposed change. The accounts would still grow tax-
free, with funds being taxed only after being withdrawn. Also, the earnings
would be taxed as income to the beneficiary—the student. Officials pointed
out that in most cases students are in lower income brackets than their
parents and thus pay a lower tax rate.
The 529 provision was pitched as part of a broader tax overhaul, which faces
steep odds on Capitol Hill. Sen. Lamar Alexander (R., Tenn.), chairman of
the committee that oversees education policy, said the 529 provision is “
sure to go nowhere in Congress.”
But the larger restructuring, were it to pass Congress, would make the
system fairer, the White House said.
“Under the president’s plan, every dollar saved from consolidating and
curbing inefficient education tax breaks—and tens of billions more—is
ploughed right back into higher-education tax benefits for students and
middle-class families,” an Obama administration official said.
The vast majority of middle-income families who would lose the tax break for
529 earnings would benefit from an expansion of the American Opportunity
Tax Credit under the president’s plan, the official said.
Write to Josh Mitchell at [email protected]
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OldestReader RecommendedJacob MaczugaJacob Maczuga just now
Obysmal has never built anything but he certainly is trying to wreck
everything.
Dan LaroqueDan Laroque 4 minutes ago
Here is the rub. Let me be racial for a second. The President is Black by
his definition and it is assumed he wants to help Black people. So, in
order to help Black people he wants to tax all future 529 contributions when
they are withdrawn for the education of a Black child. We are all now
clear on this, are we not?
In actuality, the President does not see Black people having 529 plans and
therefore sees this as a way to tax rich and upper middle class segments of
society. He literally has turned the 529 plan into a dangerously expensive
401k because the saver may not be able to use the money as intended.
I warned one of my children NOT to put money into a 529 because the
government cannot be trusted. It appears I was correct.
Absolutely nothing that comes out of this administration can be believed,
trusted, or counted upon to be reliable.
Most Americans will not care about the 529 plan.... because the 20 to 30 age
class owe billions on their college loans.
Beth WeingardenBeth Weingarden 4 minutes ago
why does obama hate high earners. did they do something wrong?
Michael BerkovichMichael Berkovich 4 minutes ago
Well if saving for the future is bad according to Obama's policy, then I
guess I will only work hard enough to earn what I need now and not a bit
more. Let someone else take care of me later.
Jacob MaczugaJacob Maczuga 10 minutes ago
"Chye-Ching Huang, senior tax policy analyst at left-leaning Center on
Budget and Policy Priorities, said the president’s plan is sound. “Overall
, the plan would scale back benefits that primarily benefit students from
high-income families and would attain college anyway without those tax
subsidies, and redirect it more towards people who actually need help for
college and more likely to react to incentives,” Ms. Huang said."
I'd bet t hat Ms. Huang attended a fine ivy league institution as a foreign
national on a university sponsored scholarship, just like our dear leftist
Kenyan did no doubt. It's always easier to be a liberal when you only deal
with other people's money.
Let's see. This is double taxation. You pay into these 529's with after tax
money and when you withdraw the funds for college, you would be forced to
pay taxes again. Is this as all libs cry "fair"? Only to those who gotten
screwed twice.
Obysmal and M00chelle ought to be taxed for their lavish vacations.
Anthony AlferoAnthony Alfero 12 minutes ago
I was under the impression that once elected, a president became the leader
of ALL of the American people? Of course any president will favor that which
aligns with his vision. Reagan was said to have disliked blacks (don't
agree) yet being the president of all of the people, his policies created
the greatest performance in the history of US blacks. They made their own
gains. Under Obama, it's all about what can I rob from whites to give to
blacks. How can I extort from the winners to use to buy off the "others"?
Jeffrey KellyJeffrey Kelly 4 minutes ago
@Anthony Alfero I was going to avoid the race subject however you brought
it up. Yes, there are many blacks that simply have made no effort and
wallow in race as an excuse. It is a multi generational thing that seems to
have no end. There are just as many whites however that have done little as
well and live on the free government programs.
When the Blacks realize that Sharpton and his kind are doing nothing but
living very well promoting racism, then maybe there is a chance. Then again
, there is little hope that will occur. I just wonder if King have lived
would things be better. I suspect so.
Jeffrey KellyJeffrey Kelly 12 minutes ago
Obama is an absolute joke, nothing but a thief taking from those who worked
hard to benefit those lazy slobs that have achieved nothing in life. Sure
sometimes life throws someone a bad curve ball. However many many are just
underachievers who have made little effort. It is simply unacceptable to
subsidize those who do not try. That is what he is all about.
EDWARD HUGHESEDWARD HUGHES 15 minutes ago
And chumps we all are to save in the first place!
Frederick A. GreenFrederick A. Green 21 minutes ago
But let me perfectly clear, because I know you'll hear the same old claims
that rolling back these tax breaks means a massive tax increase on the
American people: if your family earns less than $250,000 a year, you will
not see your taxes increased a single dime. I repeat: not one single dime.
--Barack Obama, 2008
If you like your doctor, you will be able to keep your doctor. Period. If
you like your health care plan, you will be able to keep your health care
plan. Period. No one will take it away. No matter what.
--Barack Hussein Obama, July 2009
Liar-in-chief!
Louis MazzioLouis Mazzio 34 minutes ago
Obama = Clown
Jacob MaczugaJacob Maczuga 18 minutes ago
Lying, duplicitous clown!
David ZamosDavid Zamos 43 minutes ago
That "The Obamanation" would claim to desire to help the middle class while,
as reported in this article, simultaneously, "...push to start taxing
college-saving accounts, including the popular '529' accounts" documents
what a narcissistic liar he is. However, this support for that sad reality
is really quite superfluous and the tragic truth that he is nothing more
than an utter incompetent and a narcissistic liar who cares only about
himself has already been well documents by the acute variance between this
man's words and his deeds.
Kaitlen SuriKaitlen Suri 1 hour ago
When is the 'asset tax' coming down the pike from Robin Hood in the White
house? "We think you've saved too much so we are going to give it to
someone else who has sat on their behind and waited for their EBT credit'
Anthony AlferoAnthony Alfero 1 hour ago
I have no problem in exposing racism. Free community college benefits far
more of Obama's voting base, while 529 plans, while available to all, have
been taken advantage of by whites. For 6 years it's been, take from the
oppressor to give to the oppressed. In his twisted mind!
David ZamosDavid Zamos 38 minutes ago
@Anthony Alfero
It's good that you have no problem in exposing racism, and that's especially
true since racism is substantially responsible for "The Obamanation" being
in the White House. Indeed, in the 2012 presidential election, "The
Obamanation" received fully 93% of the black votes cast. This is even more
than the percentage of Democrats who voted for him.
http://www.ropercenter.uconn.edu/elections/how_groups_voted/vot
ALAN WOLFEALAN WOLFE 1 hour ago
FREE community college for everyone but taxing 529 payouts????
Where does that make any sense? Oh! I see.
Mike DonovanMike Donovan 1 hour ago
Another dead on arrival idea from the Benghazi Liar.
David ZamosDavid Zamos 33 minutes ago
@Mike Donovan
While it is another dead on arrival idea from "The Obamanation," it does
fortify the reality that he is nothing more than an utter incompetent and a
narcissistic who cares only about himself and whatever might capriciously
appeal to him.
Indeed, his proposing taxing 529 accounts documents just how fraudulent his
stated concerns with helping the middle class truly are.
Robert StewartRobert Stewart 2 hours ago
This should discourage many from pursuing a college degree, which is OK
since once graduated and earning 6 figures, they'd be taxed for being
successful rather than being subsidized for being aimless.
JOSEPH VALENTIJOSEPH VALENTI 2 hours ago
I put money in on taxed income for my children's 529.They are taxing the
money I'm taking from my IRA.Although we will not be affected by this
proposed 529 tax it's crazy.This is a tremendous incentive for all people to
save for their chidren's education.How many more days till this guy OBUMMER
is gone
David ColeDavid Cole 3 hours ago
“...you've made them look like chumps for saving whatever they've saved so
far”
We keep thinking that somehow its our money that we earn and decide to save.
At what point do the Feds start flipping up couch cushions looking for spare
change to hand out?
David BronsteinDavid Bronstein 3 hours ago
The whole topic is a waste time. It will not happen and is DOA if it ever
reaches congress. There will be little or no agreement between Congress and
Mr. Obama. The GOP winning Congress was not to get things done but to
prevent Mr. Obama from enacting any more policies into law except through
executive order which will be reversed if a Republican wins the White House.
The only agreement between Mr. Obama and Congress will be housekeeping
issues and even that might be a stretch.
robert staabrobert staab 3 hours ago
The fool obungler wants to tax 529 savings of Americans who actually work
and save to help their children and give the money to those who do neither.
Can we survive two more years?
David ZamosDavid Zamos 29 minutes ago
@robert staab
Except that you've, perhaps inadvertently, just offended fools, I totally
agree with you.
Also, your "can-we-survive-two-more-years" of "The Obamanation" is a good
one. After all, who knows how much more damage he intends to do to this
country?
Alan FreemondAlan Freemond 3 hours ago
The Obama administrations personal expenses charged to the voters are too
high. Ally those airplanes,and those SUV's.
It seems that these people are surrounded by regimens of secret service.
Does anyone remember when Truman took his morning walk with one agent in
attendance.
We need strict control on the Obama expenditures.
Steve PendergastSteve Pendergast 4 hours ago
Fund the 'affordability gap', Warren student loan bill, and get funding to
HBCU's with an annual 5% tax on all University endowments who balance
exceeds 1bb.
Why is it that the beneficiaries of all these college funding schemes are
never asked to be part of the solution?
Are grants/scholarships added to AGI? (no, why not? hmm)
Tom ToparTom Topar 4 hours ago
Of course the racist Obama sees this as a good idea. The people he panders
to spend their money on essentials like crack, grass, and bail bondsmen.
Jacob MaczugaJacob Maczuga 16 minutes ago
They also get free ObamaPhones and SNAP cards.
John DamaJohn Dama 4 hours ago
Obama has shot himself in the foot with this proposal. It couldn't be
clearer to the public that the president is bitten with the concept of
income distribution. Not only Republicans but middle to higher income
liberals - and their parents (grandparents to the future college student) -
will recoil at the prospect of losing the benefit of saving via 529's.
Obama might as well have proposed to do likewise to Roth IRA's because both
make use of after tax contributions, and then allow tax free withdrawals. If
Obama could effectively kill the reason for 529's he could just as well
kill Roth's. Under Obama no government promise is forever or sacred.
mary hansenmary hansen 4 hours ago
Every proposal to tax one group in order to give something 'free' to another
group is Socialism, pure and simple. It is redistribution of wealth. It
is destructive to the middle class. It is evil. It is turning America into
a third-world country: a handful of uber-wealthy at the top, and the rest of
us stripped of our savings. This compels more otherwise self-reliant
people to look to the government for 'help.' The government becomes Big
Brother.
Dan MartinDan Martin 4 hours ago
Does the President realize that 529 plans are funded with "after-tax"
dollars? So the rich family earning over $200,000 with three kids wishes to
put some money away for the future? Obama considers that a loophole for
the rich? Code section 529 came into law by the democrats after some court
cases involving college savings trust plans. This idiot, who has the
government spending millions on his vacations, just has no clue.
David ZamosDavid Zamos 16 minutes ago
@Dan Martin
Perhaps inadvertently, you've just offended idiots. While "The Obamanation"
is no genius, he's no idiot either. Rather, he is a cunning, ruthless
narcissistic liar who cares only about himself, and everything he does is
part of his effort to do precisely what he'd promised just days before his
inauguration: "We are five days away from fundamentally changing the United
States of America."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kg9m1F8B2_c
65 Outrageous Lies by President Obama65 Outrageous Lies by President Obama
James DoppelheuerJames Doppelheuer 4 hours ago
Big Brutha giveth...
And Big Brutha taketh away.
ROBERT SARTINIROBERT SARTINI 4 hours ago
We're saving for Stanford not tic toc community college.
Joseph Erbal KonradJoseph Erbal Konrad 5 hours ago
Can someone clarify if the proposal is to tax 529s already in existence,
which would constitute the government breaking its promise, or only new ones
going forwarded?
Geri KellyGeri Kelly 2 hours ago
@Joseph Erbal Konrad The article said plans in existence would not be taxed.
Only new plans.
keith kennykeith kenny 5 hours ago
Obama has a sense of humor? "... the White House says existing funds would
be shielded from the new tax." Which one? This new tax or the next one. How
about the one after that?
keith kennykeith kenny 5 hours ago
He's just trying to close the work-plan-save loophole.
Jacob MaczugaJacob Maczuga 4 hours ago
@keith kenny
No! The personal responsibility stigma.
R R HAYESR R HAYES 5 hours ago
Those who are "above" Obama's definition of the Middle Class are exactly the
ones who need to use these 529's. Because their children will not be able
to get "easy" college aid from their chosen university. Those with less
income can qualify. Anyone who opens these accounts should be applauded
because they are building a better future for their children. Proposing to
tax these is just a trial balloon for the real BIG tax: 401K withdrawals
above the "normal" tax rate of the person. I seem to remember that Miss
Nancy even proposed that when she had the BIG Gavel.
Put it up to a straight, not hidden, mid-night vote and get people on the
record.
Jacob MaczugaJacob Maczuga 4 hours ago
@R R HAYES
Just because Obysmal probably got a free ride through college as a Kenyan
doesn't matter now.
Frank TallutoFrank Talluto 7 hours ago
Again, another static view of incomes and "class." Chances are the $100k
income are parents of the 6 to 9 year old and the $200k income are the
parents of the 17 year old getting ready to go to college. So yes, one
should expect over time the higher balances to accrue to higher income
families over time simply because their incomes will rise and their kids
will get older. Not too complex (and dare I say, not too inequitable) a
concept.
M. Ralph SchmidtM. Ralph Schmidt 8 hours ago
I, for one, am delighted. Obama is giving this nation the greatest gift he
can, and that is to be the staunchest socialist progressive he can be for
the time he has left.
He is exactly incompetent enough to act as a sort of inoculation for the U.S
. against his own party.
Pavel GatynyaPavel Gatynya 8 hours ago
it this idiot has any single brain cell left not affected by socialist virus?
ERIC SHIERMANERIC SHIERMAN 10 hours ago
Plenty of irony here: middle class parents use 529 plans in the hope of
affording something better than community college for their kids, but the
President wants to tax these plans to help finance free community college.
Jacob MaczugaJacob Maczuga 2 minutes ago
Obysmal has HIV, Human Intellectual-deficiency Viirus. It renders an
individual devoid of reason.
Alan GuggenheimAlan Guggenheim 10 hours ago
Oh, that's just great -- it took me a year to explain the advantages of the
529 and persuade my granddaughters' parents to open accounts for them!
Michael IrgangMichael Irgang 10 hours ago
It is remarkable how the Obama administration hates the upper middle class
with so much passion!
Jacob MaczugaJacob Maczuga 1 minute ago
That's because they're "typical white people".
JOHN STEPHENSONJOHN STEPHENSON 10 hours ago
The proposal is classic for this WH. It is intended to increase federal tax
revenue, punish anyone attempting to maintain control of the financing of
advanced education for their children, and transfer wealth to people who
have made poor lifestyle choices, increasing dependency on government and
destroying programs proposed by previous administrations to aid middle class
parents.
It is always interesting to note the way in which the upper income boundary
for "middle class" is moving toward the "poverty" income upper boundary.
Thus, for a family of four, the upper limit for ACA subsidies is an income
of about $90 k. Since the administration now says most 529's belong to "
wealthier families", and since over 50% of plans belong to families with
incomes below $150k, the "wealthier family" lower income boundary must be
below that level. The group of citizens which Mr. Obana deems worthy of
punishment seems to be expanding.
Anita MacDougallAnita MacDougall 11 hours ago
More dis-incentive to save and be self-reliant
Just spend and depend on government aid when the time comes
Carol SandorCarol Sandor 11 hours ago
Now we know why Obama pulled the stunt of pushing federal funding for
community college. He was set to take more taxes from middle class voters
who were saving for their OWN CHILDRENS' college education. Since they didn
't "build that" why not take it away and redistribute the money to someone
else's kids. In his world there is no personal incentive, only "to each
according to his need". Better have everyone equally unhappy that some
doing better than others.
Scott MoffattScott Moffatt 11 hours ago
The Federal Government currently needs money, now, and it doesn't make money
unless gains are realized. Therefore, long-term investments do not
benefit the Government in the short-term as much as short-term investments.
Hence, the current Administration doesn't want to encourage saving for the
long-term.
By extension, The "Liberal" policy needs funding to realize short-term
revenue, and that requires the movement of money in the short-term.
That's why they're trying to equalize the taxation of gains from Long-Term
investment with the taxation of gains from Short-Term investment. ...to
remove the benefits of investing for the long-term.
...but you're too stupid to understand that, so just trust us...
David MitchellDavid Mitchell 11 hours ago
Talk about the law of unintended consequences......It's trial balloons like
this that have prevented me from opening up a Roth. All I have is the
government's word that money from a Roth won't be taxed again in the future.
I'll never, ever open a Roth. So what happens? I save less money today
which means fewer funds for investment today which means a smaller capital
stock tomorrow and smaller future economic growth. Thanks again Barry!
Oh....and don't think I have forgotten the trial balloon you floated several
years ago about nationalizing the 401k market either.
Marcus CashMarcus Cash 11 hours ago
We should tax the President's salary at 100%. Come to think of it, do the
same with Congress. That would help get the gold-diggers out of Washington.
Pavel GatynyaPavel Gatynya 8 hours ago
@Marcus Cash 110%, get all the money from him, his kids and all relatives,
James MerlottiJames Merlotti 11 hours ago
This proposal was an insult to America's young future.....
Just going there is a bizarre political move...especially when the pres
himself has $300K stashed away in his kids 529s....how convenient...
He ruined Illinois and is doing his best to ruin the US...
jerome ogdenjerome ogden 11 hours ago
Countless videos in two election show Obama promising “no new taxes on the
middle class.” Yet now we have all the hidden middle class taxes in the ACA
. And we also have this brazen attempt to betray the middle class again in
Obama’s 529 tax grab.
Plato came up with the concept of the Noble Lie as a way for the elites to
keep themselves in power and the peasants subjugated to the interests of the
State. Clearly Obama has raised the Noble Lie to new heights of mendacity
and hypocrisy. From now on it should be called, not the Platonic, but the “
Obamic concept of the Noble Lie.”
John MeehanJohn Meehan 12 hours ago
Its interesting to see this, having just started cashing in a 529 to pay for
my oldest kid's first year of college. Here's what my wife and I noticed:
1. Our 529's did not return as well as an index fund.
2. We make too much to qualify for any grants or tuition reduction for our
kid, so we pay the full rate. Funny! We dont feel rich.
3. Tuition is rising faster than our paychecks, yet our kid's colllege has a
foundation with over $1Billion in assests, a corpoate jet, a shopping
center, rental properties, a hotel, and other income producing assets, yet
the school doesnt issue a rebate to the tuition paying folks.
4. The college advisors keep pushing my smart kid ro go on a five year
program and spread out the classes. Hmmm .
So, if the Pres wants to tax the 529's, they will evaporate overnight, and
people will start questioning more and more the vslue of a college education
. The education mafia will then have to push even harder for free tuition (
paid by the taxpayers, of course) to keep this gravy train going, because
soon student loans will be tapped out and there wont be much left to fund a
college education with if one isnt in a low tax bracket with grant money
galore.
judy smithjudy smith 11 hours ago
@John Meehan You nailed the scenario! Especially the part where people stop
putting $ into the 529s, and the whole scheme dries up like manure on a hot
rock. Govt types conveniently overlook "unintended consequences."
George DyerGeorge Dyer 11 hours ago
@John Meehan Good comment...but you forgot #5: Thanks to Obama's rotten
economy, over regulation and high taxes, almost half of college graduates
won't find a job which requires their degree.
(At least there's work at fast food joints, until Michelle Obama's food
police shuts them down.)
http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2014/05/08/unemployment_and
Scott HorsburghScott Horsburgh 12 hours ago
Maybe we've passed the tipping point. Recent polls show 46% approval for
this clown even though every one of his proposals calls for more dependence
on government benevolence and punishment of success and individual
initiative. The Yellow Brick Road has become the Road to Serfd
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Push to Tax ‘529’ Plans Stokes Debate
Obama Touts Proposal as Means to Restructure Student Aid, but Critics See
Challenges for Middle Class
ENLARGE
By JOSH MITCHELL
Updated Jan. 22, 2015 4:04 p.m. ET
240 COMMENTS
President Barack Obama ’s push to start taxing college-saving accounts,
including the popular “529” accounts, would affect millions of Americans
who are stashing money for their children’s education, stirring debate
about how to structure federal student aid and how to define the middle
class.
The proposal, which has sparked a public backlash but faces dim prospects in
Congress, targets so-called 529 savings accounts that boomed after Congress
passed the tax breaks starting in 2001. States have promoted the plans as a
way for middle-class parents to combat escalating college costs.
The president’s push, unveiled as part of a broader tax overhaul last
weekend, would strip the main federal tax benefit from the plans by taxing
any money earned from future contributions. Currently, earnings aren’t
taxed and the White House says existing funds would be shielded from the new
tax.
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Administration officials say the changes are part of a move to restructure a
slew of education tax benefits that, according to the College Board,
amounted to $17.4 billion in 2012. The net effect would be to boost aid for
low- and middle-income families while removing benefits currently enjoyed by
wealthier families, the White House said.
The president’s proposal, which has critics within his own party, has
generated concern among middle-income families who say they prefer the
current system.
Elizabeth Philips, a single mother in San Diego, opened a 529 plan last year
for her two boys, ages 6 and 9. She said that without more details, she is
skeptical.
“I think we should be making it easier for parents to get started with 529s
and not add any more roadblocks,” said Ms. Philips, who said she earns six
figures but under $150,000 as a marketing professional at a technology
company. At time of rising college costs, she said, “the No. 1 thing people
should be doing is setting up these accounts as early as possible to
maximize the time value of money.”
To buttress its case in the context of a sharpened focus on the middle class
, the White House points out that around 70% of funds in 529 accounts and
lesser-known Coverdell plans—which would also be affected—belong to
households earning more than $200,000 a year. Thus the benefit of the tax
break skews heavily toward the highest earners.
While the president’s push to eliminate tax breaks on ‘529’ college-
saving plans isn’t likely to clear Congress, it has sparked debate over how
to structure student aid and how to define the middle class. Here, the
University of Mississippi campus in Oxford. ENLARGE
While the president’s push to eliminate tax breaks on ‘529’ college-
saving plans isn’t likely to clear Congress, it has sparked debate over how
to structure student aid and how to define the middle class. Here, the
University of Mississippi campus in Oxford. PHOTO: ASSOCIATED PRESS
Chye-Ching Huang, senior tax policy analyst at left-leaning Center on Budget
and Policy Priorities, said the president’s plan is sound. “Overall, the
plan would scale back benefits that primarily benefit students from high-
income families and would attain college anyway without those tax subsidies,
and redirect it more towards people who actually need help for college and
more likely to react to incentives,” Ms. Huang said.
Slightly over half of all the college-saving accounts are held by Americans
making under $150,000 a year, according to a 2012 Government Accountability
Office report. About 30% earned under $100,000 a year. There are about 12
million 529 accounts in total, according to the College Savings Plan Network
, an industry group, while the average balance in a 529 account is about $21
,000—enough to cover almost two years average tuition, room and board—
minus aid—at a public four-year university.
Ryan Ellis, tax policy director for the conservative think tank Americans
for Tax Reform, said the proposal violates an Obama campaign pledge to not
raise taxes on middle-income Americans.
“This idea that this is an account for the preserve of the Huxtables out
there that make $250,000 a year is kind of ridiculous,” Mr. Ellis said.
Many owners of 529 plans are young parents who take pride in saving money in
advance for their children’s college education, he said. “You’ve made
them look like chumps for saving whatever they’ve saved so far.”
Other critics, including Capitol Hill Republicans and conservative think
tanks, said the president’s plan of “streamlining” education tax benefits
was vague and that removing the 529 tax break would ultimately hurt middle-
income families. The change, critics say, would dissuade parents from saving
and ultimately push more families to borrow for educations at a time when
student debt burdening many middle-class Americans.
“What these accounts are designed for is the middle-income families that
can’t afford to pay as you go and aren’t going to get need-based aid,”
said Betty Lochner, head of the College Savings Plan Network. “It doesn’t
make any sense to” take away the incentive to save, she said. Ultimately,
many families would have to borrow more to cover expenses without the 529
tax break, she said.
The White House said 529 plans would continue to receive “favorable” tax
treatment even with the proposed change. The accounts would still grow tax-
free, with funds being taxed only after being withdrawn. Also, the earnings
would be taxed as income to the beneficiary—the student. Officials pointed
out that in most cases students are in lower income brackets than their
parents and thus pay a lower tax rate.
The 529 provision was pitched as part of a broader tax overhaul, which faces
steep odds on Capitol Hill. Sen. Lamar Alexander (R., Tenn.), chairman of
the committee that oversees education policy, said the 529 provision is “
sure to go nowhere in Congress.”
But the larger restructuring, were it to pass Congress, would make the
system fairer, the White House said.
“Under the president’s plan, every dollar saved from consolidating and
curbing inefficient education tax breaks—and tens of billions more—is
ploughed right back into higher-education tax benefits for students and
middle-class families,” an Obama administration official said.
The vast majority of middle-income families who would lose the tax break for
529 earnings would benefit from an expansion of the American Opportunity
Tax Credit under the president’s plan, the official said.
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OldestReader RecommendedJacob MaczugaJacob Maczuga just now
Obysmal has never built anything but he certainly is trying to wreck
everything.
Dan LaroqueDan Laroque 4 minutes ago
Here is the rub. Let me be racial for a second. The President is Black by
his definition and it is assumed he wants to help Black people. So, in
order to help Black people he wants to tax all future 529 contributions when
they are withdrawn for the education of a Black child. We are all now
clear on this, are we not?
In actuality, the President does not see Black people having 529 plans and
therefore sees this as a way to tax rich and upper middle class segments of
society. He literally has turned the 529 plan into a dangerously expensive
401k because the saver may not be able to use the money as intended.
I warned one of my children NOT to put money into a 529 because the
government cannot be trusted. It appears I was correct.
Absolutely nothing that comes out of this administration can be believed,
trusted, or counted upon to be reliable.
Most Americans will not care about the 529 plan.... because the 20 to 30 age
class owe billions on their college loans.
Beth WeingardenBeth Weingarden 4 minutes ago
why does obama hate high earners. did they do something wrong?
Michael BerkovichMichael Berkovich 4 minutes ago
Well if saving for the future is bad according to Obama's policy, then I
guess I will only work hard enough to earn what I need now and not a bit
more. Let someone else take care of me later.
Jacob MaczugaJacob Maczuga 10 minutes ago
"Chye-Ching Huang, senior tax policy analyst at left-leaning Center on
Budget and Policy Priorities, said the president’s plan is sound. “Overall
, the plan would scale back benefits that primarily benefit students from
high-income families and would attain college anyway without those tax
subsidies, and redirect it more towards people who actually need help for
college and more likely to react to incentives,” Ms. Huang said."
I'd bet t hat Ms. Huang attended a fine ivy league institution as a foreign
national on a university sponsored scholarship, just like our dear leftist
Kenyan did no doubt. It's always easier to be a liberal when you only deal
with other people's money.
Let's see. This is double taxation. You pay into these 529's with after tax
money and when you withdraw the funds for college, you would be forced to
pay taxes again. Is this as all libs cry "fair"? Only to those who gotten
screwed twice.
Obysmal and M00chelle ought to be taxed for their lavish vacations.
Anthony AlferoAnthony Alfero 12 minutes ago
I was under the impression that once elected, a president became the leader
of ALL of the American people? Of course any president will favor that which
aligns with his vision. Reagan was said to have disliked blacks (don't
agree) yet being the president of all of the people, his policies created
the greatest performance in the history of US blacks. They made their own
gains. Under Obama, it's all about what can I rob from whites to give to
blacks. How can I extort from the winners to use to buy off the "others"?
Jeffrey KellyJeffrey Kelly 4 minutes ago
@Anthony Alfero I was going to avoid the race subject however you brought
it up. Yes, there are many blacks that simply have made no effort and
wallow in race as an excuse. It is a multi generational thing that seems to
have no end. There are just as many whites however that have done little as
well and live on the free government programs.
When the Blacks realize that Sharpton and his kind are doing nothing but
living very well promoting racism, then maybe there is a chance. Then again
, there is little hope that will occur. I just wonder if King have lived
would things be better. I suspect so.
Jeffrey KellyJeffrey Kelly 12 minutes ago
Obama is an absolute joke, nothing but a thief taking from those who worked
hard to benefit those lazy slobs that have achieved nothing in life. Sure
sometimes life throws someone a bad curve ball. However many many are just
underachievers who have made little effort. It is simply unacceptable to
subsidize those who do not try. That is what he is all about.
EDWARD HUGHESEDWARD HUGHES 15 minutes ago
And chumps we all are to save in the first place!
Frederick A. GreenFrederick A. Green 21 minutes ago
But let me perfectly clear, because I know you'll hear the same old claims
that rolling back these tax breaks means a massive tax increase on the
American people: if your family earns less than $250,000 a year, you will
not see your taxes increased a single dime. I repeat: not one single dime.
--Barack Obama, 2008
If you like your doctor, you will be able to keep your doctor. Period. If
you like your health care plan, you will be able to keep your health care
plan. Period. No one will take it away. No matter what.
--Barack Hussein Obama, July 2009
Liar-in-chief!
Louis MazzioLouis Mazzio 34 minutes ago
Obama = Clown
Jacob MaczugaJacob Maczuga 18 minutes ago
Lying, duplicitous clown!
David ZamosDavid Zamos 43 minutes ago
That "The Obamanation" would claim to desire to help the middle class while,
as reported in this article, simultaneously, "...push to start taxing
college-saving accounts, including the popular '529' accounts" documents
what a narcissistic liar he is. However, this support for that sad reality
is really quite superfluous and the tragic truth that he is nothing more
than an utter incompetent and a narcissistic liar who cares only about
himself has already been well documents by the acute variance between this
man's words and his deeds.
Kaitlen SuriKaitlen Suri 1 hour ago
When is the 'asset tax' coming down the pike from Robin Hood in the White
house? "We think you've saved too much so we are going to give it to
someone else who has sat on their behind and waited for their EBT credit'
Anthony AlferoAnthony Alfero 1 hour ago
I have no problem in exposing racism. Free community college benefits far
more of Obama's voting base, while 529 plans, while available to all, have
been taken advantage of by whites. For 6 years it's been, take from the
oppressor to give to the oppressed. In his twisted mind!
David ZamosDavid Zamos 38 minutes ago
@Anthony Alfero
It's good that you have no problem in exposing racism, and that's especially
true since racism is substantially responsible for "The Obamanation" being
in the White House. Indeed, in the 2012 presidential election, "The
Obamanation" received fully 93% of the black votes cast. This is even more
than the percentage of Democrats who voted for him.
http://www.ropercenter.uconn.edu/elections/how_groups_voted/vot
ALAN WOLFEALAN WOLFE 1 hour ago
FREE community college for everyone but taxing 529 payouts????
Where does that make any sense? Oh! I see.
Mike DonovanMike Donovan 1 hour ago
Another dead on arrival idea from the Benghazi Liar.
David ZamosDavid Zamos 33 minutes ago
@Mike Donovan
While it is another dead on arrival idea from "The Obamanation," it does
fortify the reality that he is nothing more than an utter incompetent and a
narcissistic who cares only about himself and whatever might capriciously
appeal to him.
Indeed, his proposing taxing 529 accounts documents just how fraudulent his
stated concerns with helping the middle class truly are.
Robert StewartRobert Stewart 2 hours ago
This should discourage many from pursuing a college degree, which is OK
since once graduated and earning 6 figures, they'd be taxed for being
successful rather than being subsidized for being aimless.
JOSEPH VALENTIJOSEPH VALENTI 2 hours ago
I put money in on taxed income for my children's 529.They are taxing the
money I'm taking from my IRA.Although we will not be affected by this
proposed 529 tax it's crazy.This is a tremendous incentive for all people to
save for their chidren's education.How many more days till this guy OBUMMER
is gone
David ColeDavid Cole 3 hours ago
“...you've made them look like chumps for saving whatever they've saved so
far”
We keep thinking that somehow its our money that we earn and decide to save.
At what point do the Feds start flipping up couch cushions looking for spare
change to hand out?
David BronsteinDavid Bronstein 3 hours ago
The whole topic is a waste time. It will not happen and is DOA if it ever
reaches congress. There will be little or no agreement between Congress and
Mr. Obama. The GOP winning Congress was not to get things done but to
prevent Mr. Obama from enacting any more policies into law except through
executive order which will be reversed if a Republican wins the White House.
The only agreement between Mr. Obama and Congress will be housekeeping
issues and even that might be a stretch.
robert staabrobert staab 3 hours ago
The fool obungler wants to tax 529 savings of Americans who actually work
and save to help their children and give the money to those who do neither.
Can we survive two more years?
David ZamosDavid Zamos 29 minutes ago
@robert staab
Except that you've, perhaps inadvertently, just offended fools, I totally
agree with you.
Also, your "can-we-survive-two-more-years" of "The Obamanation" is a good
one. After all, who knows how much more damage he intends to do to this
country?
Alan FreemondAlan Freemond 3 hours ago
The Obama administrations personal expenses charged to the voters are too
high. Ally those airplanes,and those SUV's.
It seems that these people are surrounded by regimens of secret service.
Does anyone remember when Truman took his morning walk with one agent in
attendance.
We need strict control on the Obama expenditures.
Steve PendergastSteve Pendergast 4 hours ago
Fund the 'affordability gap', Warren student loan bill, and get funding to
HBCU's with an annual 5% tax on all University endowments who balance
exceeds 1bb.
Why is it that the beneficiaries of all these college funding schemes are
never asked to be part of the solution?
Are grants/scholarships added to AGI? (no, why not? hmm)
Tom ToparTom Topar 4 hours ago
Of course the racist Obama sees this as a good idea. The people he panders
to spend their money on essentials like crack, grass, and bail bondsmen.
Jacob MaczugaJacob Maczuga 16 minutes ago
They also get free ObamaPhones and SNAP cards.
John DamaJohn Dama 4 hours ago
Obama has shot himself in the foot with this proposal. It couldn't be
clearer to the public that the president is bitten with the concept of
income distribution. Not only Republicans but middle to higher income
liberals - and their parents (grandparents to the future college student) -
will recoil at the prospect of losing the benefit of saving via 529's.
Obama might as well have proposed to do likewise to Roth IRA's because both
make use of after tax contributions, and then allow tax free withdrawals. If
Obama could effectively kill the reason for 529's he could just as well
kill Roth's. Under Obama no government promise is forever or sacred.
mary hansenmary hansen 4 hours ago
Every proposal to tax one group in order to give something 'free' to another
group is Socialism, pure and simple. It is redistribution of wealth. It
is destructive to the middle class. It is evil. It is turning America into
a third-world country: a handful of uber-wealthy at the top, and the rest of
us stripped of our savings. This compels more otherwise self-reliant
people to look to the government for 'help.' The government becomes Big
Brother.
Dan MartinDan Martin 4 hours ago
Does the President realize that 529 plans are funded with "after-tax"
dollars? So the rich family earning over $200,000 with three kids wishes to
put some money away for the future? Obama considers that a loophole for
the rich? Code section 529 came into law by the democrats after some court
cases involving college savings trust plans. This idiot, who has the
government spending millions on his vacations, just has no clue.
David ZamosDavid Zamos 16 minutes ago
@Dan Martin
Perhaps inadvertently, you've just offended idiots. While "The Obamanation"
is no genius, he's no idiot either. Rather, he is a cunning, ruthless
narcissistic liar who cares only about himself, and everything he does is
part of his effort to do precisely what he'd promised just days before his
inauguration: "We are five days away from fundamentally changing the United
States of America."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kg9m1F8B2_c
65 Outrageous Lies by President Obama65 Outrageous Lies by President Obama
James DoppelheuerJames Doppelheuer 4 hours ago
Big Brutha giveth...
And Big Brutha taketh away.
ROBERT SARTINIROBERT SARTINI 4 hours ago
We're saving for Stanford not tic toc community college.
Joseph Erbal KonradJoseph Erbal Konrad 5 hours ago
Can someone clarify if the proposal is to tax 529s already in existence,
which would constitute the government breaking its promise, or only new ones
going forwarded?
Geri KellyGeri Kelly 2 hours ago
@Joseph Erbal Konrad The article said plans in existence would not be taxed.
Only new plans.
keith kennykeith kenny 5 hours ago
Obama has a sense of humor? "... the White House says existing funds would
be shielded from the new tax." Which one? This new tax or the next one. How
about the one after that?
keith kennykeith kenny 5 hours ago
He's just trying to close the work-plan-save loophole.
Jacob MaczugaJacob Maczuga 4 hours ago
@keith kenny
No! The personal responsibility stigma.
R R HAYESR R HAYES 5 hours ago
Those who are "above" Obama's definition of the Middle Class are exactly the
ones who need to use these 529's. Because their children will not be able
to get "easy" college aid from their chosen university. Those with less
income can qualify. Anyone who opens these accounts should be applauded
because they are building a better future for their children. Proposing to
tax these is just a trial balloon for the real BIG tax: 401K withdrawals
above the "normal" tax rate of the person. I seem to remember that Miss
Nancy even proposed that when she had the BIG Gavel.
Put it up to a straight, not hidden, mid-night vote and get people on the
record.
Jacob MaczugaJacob Maczuga 4 hours ago
@R R HAYES
Just because Obysmal probably got a free ride through college as a Kenyan
doesn't matter now.
Frank TallutoFrank Talluto 7 hours ago
Again, another static view of incomes and "class." Chances are the $100k
income are parents of the 6 to 9 year old and the $200k income are the
parents of the 17 year old getting ready to go to college. So yes, one
should expect over time the higher balances to accrue to higher income
families over time simply because their incomes will rise and their kids
will get older. Not too complex (and dare I say, not too inequitable) a
concept.
M. Ralph SchmidtM. Ralph Schmidt 8 hours ago
I, for one, am delighted. Obama is giving this nation the greatest gift he
can, and that is to be the staunchest socialist progressive he can be for
the time he has left.
He is exactly incompetent enough to act as a sort of inoculation for the U.S
. against his own party.
Pavel GatynyaPavel Gatynya 8 hours ago
it this idiot has any single brain cell left not affected by socialist virus?
ERIC SHIERMANERIC SHIERMAN 10 hours ago
Plenty of irony here: middle class parents use 529 plans in the hope of
affording something better than community college for their kids, but the
President wants to tax these plans to help finance free community college.
Jacob MaczugaJacob Maczuga 2 minutes ago
Obysmal has HIV, Human Intellectual-deficiency Viirus. It renders an
individual devoid of reason.
Alan GuggenheimAlan Guggenheim 10 hours ago
Oh, that's just great -- it took me a year to explain the advantages of the
529 and persuade my granddaughters' parents to open accounts for them!
Michael IrgangMichael Irgang 10 hours ago
It is remarkable how the Obama administration hates the upper middle class
with so much passion!
Jacob MaczugaJacob Maczuga 1 minute ago
That's because they're "typical white people".
JOHN STEPHENSONJOHN STEPHENSON 10 hours ago
The proposal is classic for this WH. It is intended to increase federal tax
revenue, punish anyone attempting to maintain control of the financing of
advanced education for their children, and transfer wealth to people who
have made poor lifestyle choices, increasing dependency on government and
destroying programs proposed by previous administrations to aid middle class
parents.
It is always interesting to note the way in which the upper income boundary
for "middle class" is moving toward the "poverty" income upper boundary.
Thus, for a family of four, the upper limit for ACA subsidies is an income
of about $90 k. Since the administration now says most 529's belong to "
wealthier families", and since over 50% of plans belong to families with
incomes below $150k, the "wealthier family" lower income boundary must be
below that level. The group of citizens which Mr. Obana deems worthy of
punishment seems to be expanding.
Anita MacDougallAnita MacDougall 11 hours ago
More dis-incentive to save and be self-reliant
Just spend and depend on government aid when the time comes
Carol SandorCarol Sandor 11 hours ago
Now we know why Obama pulled the stunt of pushing federal funding for
community college. He was set to take more taxes from middle class voters
who were saving for their OWN CHILDRENS' college education. Since they didn
't "build that" why not take it away and redistribute the money to someone
else's kids. In his world there is no personal incentive, only "to each
according to his need". Better have everyone equally unhappy that some
doing better than others.
Scott MoffattScott Moffatt 11 hours ago
The Federal Government currently needs money, now, and it doesn't make money
unless gains are realized. Therefore, long-term investments do not
benefit the Government in the short-term as much as short-term investments.
Hence, the current Administration doesn't want to encourage saving for the
long-term.
By extension, The "Liberal" policy needs funding to realize short-term
revenue, and that requires the movement of money in the short-term.
That's why they're trying to equalize the taxation of gains from Long-Term
investment with the taxation of gains from Short-Term investment. ...to
remove the benefits of investing for the long-term.
...but you're too stupid to understand that, so just trust us...
David MitchellDavid Mitchell 11 hours ago
Talk about the law of unintended consequences......It's trial balloons like
this that have prevented me from opening up a Roth. All I have is the
government's word that money from a Roth won't be taxed again in the future.
I'll never, ever open a Roth. So what happens? I save less money today
which means fewer funds for investment today which means a smaller capital
stock tomorrow and smaller future economic growth. Thanks again Barry!
Oh....and don't think I have forgotten the trial balloon you floated several
years ago about nationalizing the 401k market either.
Marcus CashMarcus Cash 11 hours ago
We should tax the President's salary at 100%. Come to think of it, do the
same with Congress. That would help get the gold-diggers out of Washington.
Pavel GatynyaPavel Gatynya 8 hours ago
@Marcus Cash 110%, get all the money from him, his kids and all relatives,
James MerlottiJames Merlotti 11 hours ago
This proposal was an insult to America's young future.....
Just going there is a bizarre political move...especially when the pres
himself has $300K stashed away in his kids 529s....how convenient...
He ruined Illinois and is doing his best to ruin the US...
jerome ogdenjerome ogden 11 hours ago
Countless videos in two election show Obama promising “no new taxes on the
middle class.” Yet now we have all the hidden middle class taxes in the ACA
. And we also have this brazen attempt to betray the middle class again in
Obama’s 529 tax grab.
Plato came up with the concept of the Noble Lie as a way for the elites to
keep themselves in power and the peasants subjugated to the interests of the
State. Clearly Obama has raised the Noble Lie to new heights of mendacity
and hypocrisy. From now on it should be called, not the Platonic, but the “
Obamic concept of the Noble Lie.”
John MeehanJohn Meehan 12 hours ago
Its interesting to see this, having just started cashing in a 529 to pay for
my oldest kid's first year of college. Here's what my wife and I noticed:
1. Our 529's did not return as well as an index fund.
2. We make too much to qualify for any grants or tuition reduction for our
kid, so we pay the full rate. Funny! We dont feel rich.
3. Tuition is rising faster than our paychecks, yet our kid's colllege has a
foundation with over $1Billion in assests, a corpoate jet, a shopping
center, rental properties, a hotel, and other income producing assets, yet
the school doesnt issue a rebate to the tuition paying folks.
4. The college advisors keep pushing my smart kid ro go on a five year
program and spread out the classes. Hmmm .
So, if the Pres wants to tax the 529's, they will evaporate overnight, and
people will start questioning more and more the vslue of a college education
. The education mafia will then have to push even harder for free tuition (
paid by the taxpayers, of course) to keep this gravy train going, because
soon student loans will be tapped out and there wont be much left to fund a
college education with if one isnt in a low tax bracket with grant money
galore.
judy smithjudy smith 11 hours ago
@John Meehan You nailed the scenario! Especially the part where people stop
putting $ into the 529s, and the whole scheme dries up like manure on a hot
rock. Govt types conveniently overlook "unintended consequences."
George DyerGeorge Dyer 11 hours ago
@John Meehan Good comment...but you forgot #5: Thanks to Obama's rotten
economy, over regulation and high taxes, almost half of college graduates
won't find a job which requires their degree.
(At least there's work at fast food joints, until Michelle Obama's food
police shuts them down.)
http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2014/05/08/unemployment_and
Scott HorsburghScott Horsburgh 12 hours ago
Maybe we've passed the tipping point. Recent polls show 46% approval for
this clown even though every one of his proposals calls for more dependence
on government benevolence and punishment of success and individual
initiative. The Yellow Brick Road has become the Road to Serfd
s*y
4 楼
最近在服用anti depressant，是我让家庭医生开的。他说要吃3个月才会见效。我现在
吃了一个多月吧。抑郁并没有多大改善，不过我的抑郁可能也没有到非常非常严重的地
步。现在就是觉得人非常非常的累，也不知道是不是吃药的问题，也许是本来压力大，
事情多，原来也有点睡眠不足。家庭医生已经搬了医院，我也不想再找他了。我想问下
，anti depressant 会让人非常累吗？
吃了一个多月吧。抑郁并没有多大改善，不过我的抑郁可能也没有到非常非常严重的地
步。现在就是觉得人非常非常的累，也不知道是不是吃药的问题，也许是本来压力大，
事情多，原来也有点睡眠不足。家庭医生已经搬了医院，我也不想再找他了。我想问下
，anti depressant 会让人非常累吗？
b*u
5 楼
我的情况：现在是在德国一个小农村做博后。来了快一年了，越来越觉得在这没啥前途。
原因有三方面（前两个为主）:
1.老板的研究领域实在很偏，或者说着根本就是一个他自己近几年倒腾出来的领域（学
术上），几乎没有什么community可言（人脉上）。也就是说，在这个组里的研究经验
以后很难成为去更好的组的砝码
。
2.老板是那种理论功底很好的人，有点天马行空，喜欢高谈阔论，脑子里有数不清的
idea。可是这些idea很多根本就不realistic，technically有致命的问题，因为这个组
用的方法也还不是很robust。我这好几个月来做的topic就是这样，越做越发现更多的
问题，时间一天天过去，心里很急。
3.研究课题没什么延续性。老板喜欢玩那些很新的概念，很炫的想法，基本上属于有了
一个基础以后往四面八方做。
所以来请教一下大家：想脱身的话，有没有什么好的策略，不伤和气的离开？因为老板
人还是很不错。德国的圈子很小，基本上我跳槽也会跳到和现在老板认识的教授组里。
。。
原因有三方面（前两个为主）:
1.老板的研究领域实在很偏，或者说着根本就是一个他自己近几年倒腾出来的领域（学
术上），几乎没有什么community可言（人脉上）。也就是说，在这个组里的研究经验
以后很难成为去更好的组的砝码
。
2.老板是那种理论功底很好的人，有点天马行空，喜欢高谈阔论，脑子里有数不清的
idea。可是这些idea很多根本就不realistic，technically有致命的问题，因为这个组
用的方法也还不是很robust。我这好几个月来做的topic就是这样，越做越发现更多的
问题，时间一天天过去，心里很急。
3.研究课题没什么延续性。老板喜欢玩那些很新的概念，很炫的想法，基本上属于有了
一个基础以后往四面八方做。
所以来请教一下大家：想脱身的话，有没有什么好的策略，不伤和气的离开？因为老板
人还是很不错。德国的圈子很小，基本上我跳槽也会跳到和现在老板认识的教授组里。
。。
j*a
6 楼
【 以下文字转载自 Immigration 讨论区 】
发信人: jlnjca (jlnjca), 信区: Immigration
标 题: EB1B 申请求建议，说服律师
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri Apr 2 15:27:24 2010, 美东)
EB1B 申请求建议
去年进公司的时候，HR答应好给办绿卡的。结果一个月前提起的时候，人事唧唧歪歪说
什么经济不好啊，失业率高啊什么的，不想给办。好在老板和department大老板支持我
。人事又答应给办了。
我想办EB1B，好处显而易见。不过好像感觉人事更想给办PERM (不知道出于什么目的)
。我不同意。 这个现在办要等到2016年以后才能拿卡了了。前提是这期间都能保住工
作。
现在人事要让律师来跟我谈，决定是PERM还是EB1B。 如果这律师是我自己雇的，我当
然可以说服他走EB1B track。 但现在这个律师有可能是和人事一个鼻孔出气的。
我的背景不算太强，可也值得一试，大不了失败了再办PERM.
在这里请教各位过来人，这种情况下怎么样才能说服律师给我办EB1B？
多谢！
简要背景：
1． Publica
发信人: jlnjca (jlnjca), 信区: Immigration
标 题: EB1B 申请求建议，说服律师
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri Apr 2 15:27:24 2010, 美东)
EB1B 申请求建议
去年进公司的时候，HR答应好给办绿卡的。结果一个月前提起的时候，人事唧唧歪歪说
什么经济不好啊，失业率高啊什么的，不想给办。好在老板和department大老板支持我
。人事又答应给办了。
我想办EB1B，好处显而易见。不过好像感觉人事更想给办PERM (不知道出于什么目的)
。我不同意。 这个现在办要等到2016年以后才能拿卡了了。前提是这期间都能保住工
作。
现在人事要让律师来跟我谈，决定是PERM还是EB1B。 如果这律师是我自己雇的，我当
然可以说服他走EB1B track。 但现在这个律师有可能是和人事一个鼻孔出气的。
我的背景不算太强，可也值得一试，大不了失败了再办PERM.
在这里请教各位过来人，这种情况下怎么样才能说服律师给我办EB1B？
多谢！
简要背景：
1． Publica
s*l
7 楼
我看出的差别是540是5寸屏幕，630是4.3
630有蓝牙
其他好像都一样
买哪个好些？感觉蓝牙没太大用处呀
630有蓝牙
其他好像都一样
买哪个好些？感觉蓝牙没太大用处呀
c*d
8 楼
Job Title: Postdoctoral Research Associate in Nanomaterials
Department of Chemistry, University of South Dakota
We are currently seeking a Postdoctoral Research Associate to join the CY
Research group at the University of South Dakota with focus on nanomaterials
synthesis, assembly, and application. The Postdoctoral Research Associate
will carry out fundamental research in the area of functional metallic
nanostructures, nanocomposite thin films, surface-enhanced Raman scattering,
flexible elect
Department of Chemistry, University of South Dakota
We are currently seeking a Postdoctoral Research Associate to join the CY
Research group at the University of South Dakota with focus on nanomaterials
synthesis, assembly, and application. The Postdoctoral Research Associate
will carry out fundamental research in the area of functional metallic
nanostructures, nanocomposite thin films, surface-enhanced Raman scattering,
flexible elect
n*g
9 楼
赞！馅料改良了，加了香菇，马蹄，还用了高汤 ：）
对了，你有没有用裱花袋塞肉？
油，水，酱油，姜，葱。
【在 w**j 的大作中提到】
: 准备时间比较长，塞的肉太多，煮时间长了点。肉里面加了香菇，马蹄，小粉，盐，油，水，酱油，姜，葱。
: 剩下的肉糜做了几个大肉丸子，做了狮子头汤。汤底用的玉米排骨汤，玉米的鲜甜味，
: 正好让汤有淮扬味道。
对了，你有没有用裱花袋塞肉？
油，水，酱油，姜，葱。
【在 w**j 的大作中提到】
: 准备时间比较长，塞的肉太多，煮时间长了点。肉里面加了香菇，马蹄，小粉，盐，油，水，酱油，姜，葱。
: 剩下的肉糜做了几个大肉丸子，做了狮子头汤。汤底用的玉米排骨汤，玉米的鲜甜味，
: 正好让汤有淮扬味道。
l*g
10 楼
我也是买了Yamaha，正眼馋onkyo，唉
话哈
下：
【在 s*****g 的大作中提到】
: 本人属音响白痴级菜鸟，希望不需要太多的技术知识就能达到不错的效果。大家别笑话哈
: 两个音箱都是在完成initiation后基本的调试下比较的，Yamaha 的Ypao和Onkyo的
: Audessey，音质比较用的USB接Iphone input，2.0 stereo，音箱Polk M60。 感想如下：
: 1. 功率：Yamaha 673 power M60 明显没劲儿，其实这个早知道，兔子同学也跟我说了
: 要选功率较大那个，只是没想到效果区别这么大。Onkyo一上全家都被震撼了，音质很
: 赞，我还什么都没调呢。如果power 小点功率的音箱我想yamaha应该也不错
: 2. 界面：雅马哈的GUI比较简陋，看着灰蒙蒙的。我查了好多次manual才弄懂一些基本
: 应用。 Onkyo有点21世纪的感觉了，intuitive，就我这种菜鸟也能顺藤摸瓜，不用看
: manual就弄个差不离
: 3. Iphone USB：我只是想试试最简单的USB input， 这个yamaha不知道怎么想的，不
话哈
下：
【在 s*****g 的大作中提到】
: 本人属音响白痴级菜鸟，希望不需要太多的技术知识就能达到不错的效果。大家别笑话哈
: 两个音箱都是在完成initiation后基本的调试下比较的，Yamaha 的Ypao和Onkyo的
: Audessey，音质比较用的USB接Iphone input，2.0 stereo，音箱Polk M60。 感想如下：
: 1. 功率：Yamaha 673 power M60 明显没劲儿，其实这个早知道，兔子同学也跟我说了
: 要选功率较大那个，只是没想到效果区别这么大。Onkyo一上全家都被震撼了，音质很
: 赞，我还什么都没调呢。如果power 小点功率的音箱我想yamaha应该也不错
: 2. 界面：雅马哈的GUI比较简陋，看着灰蒙蒙的。我查了好多次manual才弄懂一些基本
: 应用。 Onkyo有点21世纪的感觉了，intuitive，就我这种菜鸟也能顺藤摸瓜，不用看
: manual就弄个差不离
: 3. Iphone USB：我只是想试试最简单的USB input， 这个yamaha不知道怎么想的，不
s*d
11 楼
Mr. president, two letters for you:
F U
F U
A*a
12 楼
depression会
【在 s*********y 的大作中提到】
: 最近在服用anti depressant，是我让家庭医生开的。他说要吃3个月才会见效。我现在
: 吃了一个多月吧。抑郁并没有多大改善，不过我的抑郁可能也没有到非常非常严重的地
: 步。现在就是觉得人非常非常的累，也不知道是不是吃药的问题，也许是本来压力大，
: 事情多，原来也有点睡眠不足。家庭医生已经搬了医院，我也不想再找他了。我想问下
: ，anti depressant 会让人非常累吗？
【在 s*********y 的大作中提到】
: 最近在服用anti depressant，是我让家庭医生开的。他说要吃3个月才会见效。我现在
: 吃了一个多月吧。抑郁并没有多大改善，不过我的抑郁可能也没有到非常非常严重的地
: 步。现在就是觉得人非常非常的累，也不知道是不是吃药的问题，也许是本来压力大，
: 事情多，原来也有点睡眠不足。家庭医生已经搬了医院，我也不想再找他了。我想问下
: ，anti depressant 会让人非常累吗？
C*Y
13 楼
晕，说personal reason 比较好
比如说你的另一半不愿意异地啊
我的情况：现在是在德国一个小农村做博后。来了快一年了，越来越觉得在这没啥前途。
原因有三方面（前两个为主）:
1.老板的研究领域实在很偏，或者说着根本就是一个他自己近几年倒腾出来的领域（学
术上），几乎没有什么community可言（人脉上）。也就是说，在这个组里的研究经验
以后很难成为去更好的组的砝码
。
2.老板是那种理论功底很好的人，有点天马行空，喜欢高谈阔论，脑子里有数不清的
idea。可是这些idea很多根本就不realistic，technically有致命的问题，因为这个组
用的方法也还不是很robust。我这好几个月来做的topic就是这样，越做越发现更多的
问题，时间一天天过去，心里很急。
3.研究课题没什么延续性。老板喜欢玩那些很新的概念，很炫的想法，基本上属于有了
一个基础以后往四面八方做。
所以来请教一下大家：想脱身的话，有没有什么好的策略，不伤和气的离开？因为老板
人还是很不错。德国的圈子很小，基本上我跳槽也会跳到和现在老板认识的教授组里。
。。
【在 b******u 的大作中提到】
: 我的情况：现在是在德国一个小农村做博后。来了快一年了，越来越觉得在这没啥前途。
: 原因有三方面（前两个为主）:
: 1.老板的研究领域实在很偏，或者说着根本就是一个他自己近几年倒腾出来的领域（学
: 术上），几乎没有什么community可言（人脉上）。也就是说，在这个组里的研究经验
: 以后很难成为去更好的组的砝码
: 。
: 2.老板是那种理论功底很好的人，有点天马行空，喜欢高谈阔论，脑子里有数不清的
: idea。可是这些idea很多根本就不realistic，technically有致命的问题，因为这个组
: 用的方法也还不是很robust。我这好几个月来做的topic就是这样，越做越发现更多的
: 问题，时间一天天过去，心里很急。
比如说你的另一半不愿意异地啊
我的情况：现在是在德国一个小农村做博后。来了快一年了，越来越觉得在这没啥前途。
原因有三方面（前两个为主）:
1.老板的研究领域实在很偏，或者说着根本就是一个他自己近几年倒腾出来的领域（学
术上），几乎没有什么community可言（人脉上）。也就是说，在这个组里的研究经验
以后很难成为去更好的组的砝码
。
2.老板是那种理论功底很好的人，有点天马行空，喜欢高谈阔论，脑子里有数不清的
idea。可是这些idea很多根本就不realistic，technically有致命的问题，因为这个组
用的方法也还不是很robust。我这好几个月来做的topic就是这样，越做越发现更多的
问题，时间一天天过去，心里很急。
3.研究课题没什么延续性。老板喜欢玩那些很新的概念，很炫的想法，基本上属于有了
一个基础以后往四面八方做。
所以来请教一下大家：想脱身的话，有没有什么好的策略，不伤和气的离开？因为老板
人还是很不错。德国的圈子很小，基本上我跳槽也会跳到和现在老板认识的教授组里。
。。
【在 b******u 的大作中提到】
: 我的情况：现在是在德国一个小农村做博后。来了快一年了，越来越觉得在这没啥前途。
: 原因有三方面（前两个为主）:
: 1.老板的研究领域实在很偏，或者说着根本就是一个他自己近几年倒腾出来的领域（学
: 术上），几乎没有什么community可言（人脉上）。也就是说，在这个组里的研究经验
: 以后很难成为去更好的组的砝码
: 。
: 2.老板是那种理论功底很好的人，有点天马行空，喜欢高谈阔论，脑子里有数不清的
: idea。可是这些idea很多根本就不realistic，technically有致命的问题，因为这个组
: 用的方法也还不是很robust。我这好几个月来做的topic就是这样，越做越发现更多的
: 问题，时间一天天过去，心里很急。
p*m
14 楼
5寸屏幕
w*j
15 楼
筷子塞的，但是塞太多了，把面筋撑着了。最后收汤的时候在上网，水干了，破了几个。
【在 n*****g 的大作中提到】
: 赞！馅料改良了，加了香菇，马蹄，还用了高汤 ：）
: 对了，你有没有用裱花袋塞肉？
:
: 油，水，酱油，姜，葱。
【在 n*****g 的大作中提到】
: 赞！馅料改良了，加了香菇，马蹄，还用了高汤 ：）
: 对了，你有没有用裱花袋塞肉？
:
: 油，水，酱油，姜，葱。
b*y
16 楼
话哈
下：
Yamaha IPhone USB: tap "airplay" icon on your phone, select Yamaha 673, then
you can control via IPhone.
【在 s*****g 的大作中提到】
: 本人属音响白痴级菜鸟，希望不需要太多的技术知识就能达到不错的效果。大家别笑话哈
: 两个音箱都是在完成initiation后基本的调试下比较的，Yamaha 的Ypao和Onkyo的
: Audessey，音质比较用的USB接Iphone input，2.0 stereo，音箱Polk M60。 感想如下：
: 1. 功率：Yamaha 673 power M60 明显没劲儿，其实这个早知道，兔子同学也跟我说了
: 要选功率较大那个，只是没想到效果区别这么大。Onkyo一上全家都被震撼了，音质很
: 赞，我还什么都没调呢。如果power 小点功率的音箱我想yamaha应该也不错
: 2. 界面：雅马哈的GUI比较简陋，看着灰蒙蒙的。我查了好多次manual才弄懂一些基本
: 应用。 Onkyo有点21世纪的感觉了，intuitive，就我这种菜鸟也能顺藤摸瓜，不用看
: manual就弄个差不离
: 3. Iphone USB：我只是想试试最简单的USB input， 这个yamaha不知道怎么想的，不
c*a
17 楼
这就是小左们热爱的change
【在 r**u 的大作中提到】
: Reveal Navigation Options
: The Wall Street Journal
: show search
: Close Search
: Submit Search
: 850 189
: POLITICS AND POLICY
: Push to Tax ‘529’ Plans Stokes Debate
: Obama Touts Proposal as Means to Restructure Student Aid, but Critics See
: Challenges for Middle Class
【在 r**u 的大作中提到】
: Reveal Navigation Options
: The Wall Street Journal
: show search
: Close Search
: Submit Search
: 850 189
: POLITICS AND POLICY
: Push to Tax ‘529’ Plans Stokes Debate
: Obama Touts Proposal as Means to Restructure Student Aid, but Critics See
: Challenges for Middle Class
s*y
18 楼
我的抑郁一直都有，吃药是才开始的。非常非常的累大概是吃药后才开始的，以前也累
，没有像现在这样。我的男的。
【在 A*****a 的大作中提到】
: depression会
，没有像现在这样。我的男的。
【在 A*****a 的大作中提到】
: depression会
s*l
19 楼
刚才发现540没有SD插槽，这个有什么用途？
n*g
20 楼
噢哟，我要去看看我烧的菜了。。
个。
【在 w**j 的大作中提到】
: 筷子塞的，但是塞太多了，把面筋撑着了。最后收汤的时候在上网，水干了，破了几个。
个。
【在 w**j 的大作中提到】
: 筷子塞的，但是塞太多了，把面筋撑着了。最后收汤的时候在上网，水干了，破了几个。
i*d
21 楼
onkyo更贵，更重，标称功率更大，有THX认证，档次级别也更高。似乎比较之前有胜负
已分。不过带着太多心理暗示，不利于主观比较啊。
既然有机会两台机器并排比，就多玩玩，机会难得啊。
说明书多读一下，把两台机器尽量调到相同设置。不然，完全没得比。比如一个设大音
箱，一个设小音箱，基准音量还不一样，那就千差万别了。
话哈
下：
【在 s*****g 的大作中提到】
: 本人属音响白痴级菜鸟，希望不需要太多的技术知识就能达到不错的效果。大家别笑话哈
: 两个音箱都是在完成initiation后基本的调试下比较的，Yamaha 的Ypao和Onkyo的
: Audessey，音质比较用的USB接Iphone input，2.0 stereo，音箱Polk M60。 感想如下：
: 1. 功率：Yamaha 673 power M60 明显没劲儿，其实这个早知道，兔子同学也跟我说了
: 要选功率较大那个，只是没想到效果区别这么大。Onkyo一上全家都被震撼了，音质很
: 赞，我还什么都没调呢。如果power 小点功率的音箱我想yamaha应该也不错
: 2. 界面：雅马哈的GUI比较简陋，看着灰蒙蒙的。我查了好多次manual才弄懂一些基本
: 应用。 Onkyo有点21世纪的感觉了，intuitive，就我这种菜鸟也能顺藤摸瓜，不用看
: manual就弄个差不离
: 3. Iphone USB：我只是想试试最简单的USB input， 这个yamaha不知道怎么想的，不
已分。不过带着太多心理暗示，不利于主观比较啊。
既然有机会两台机器并排比，就多玩玩，机会难得啊。
说明书多读一下，把两台机器尽量调到相同设置。不然，完全没得比。比如一个设大音
箱，一个设小音箱，基准音量还不一样，那就千差万别了。
话哈
下：
【在 s*****g 的大作中提到】
: 本人属音响白痴级菜鸟，希望不需要太多的技术知识就能达到不错的效果。大家别笑话哈
: 两个音箱都是在完成initiation后基本的调试下比较的，Yamaha 的Ypao和Onkyo的
: Audessey，音质比较用的USB接Iphone input，2.0 stereo，音箱Polk M60。 感想如下：
: 1. 功率：Yamaha 673 power M60 明显没劲儿，其实这个早知道，兔子同学也跟我说了
: 要选功率较大那个，只是没想到效果区别这么大。Onkyo一上全家都被震撼了，音质很
: 赞，我还什么都没调呢。如果power 小点功率的音箱我想yamaha应该也不错
: 2. 界面：雅马哈的GUI比较简陋，看着灰蒙蒙的。我查了好多次manual才弄懂一些基本
: 应用。 Onkyo有点21世纪的感觉了，intuitive，就我这种菜鸟也能顺藤摸瓜，不用看
: manual就弄个差不离
: 3. Iphone USB：我只是想试试最简单的USB input， 这个yamaha不知道怎么想的，不
t*s
22 楼
只对future contribution, 而且是算受益人的收入。
【在 s**********d 的大作中提到】
: Mr. president, two letters for you:
: F U
【在 s**********d 的大作中提到】
: Mr. president, two letters for you:
: F U
A*a
23 楼
把你吃的药的说明书找出来看看副作用都有哪些。累是个non-specific症状，造成累的
具体原因很多
【在 s*********y 的大作中提到】
: 我的抑郁一直都有，吃药是才开始的。非常非常的累大概是吃药后才开始的，以前也累
: ，没有像现在这样。我的男的。
具体原因很多
【在 s*********y 的大作中提到】
: 我的抑郁一直都有，吃药是才开始的。非常非常的累大概是吃药后才开始的，以前也累
: ，没有像现在这样。我的男的。
w*u
24 楼
没SD就不好破解……建议买有SD的
a*l
25 楼
恩 影响了美观
盘子里为什么没有点汤汁 可以加点菜心一起烧了 围在边上
个。
【在 w**j 的大作中提到】
: 筷子塞的，但是塞太多了，把面筋撑着了。最后收汤的时候在上网，水干了，破了几个。
盘子里为什么没有点汤汁 可以加点菜心一起烧了 围在边上
个。
【在 w**j 的大作中提到】
: 筷子塞的，但是塞太多了，把面筋撑着了。最后收汤的时候在上网，水干了，破了几个。
s*g
26 楼
那个Yamaha也够沉，可能薄一厘米吧，比十年前我的receiver厚一倍，很不利于我这老
胳膊老腿儿的搬上搬下
心理暗示绝对有啊，不过是想留下便宜的那个，嘿嘿，不是大家都说speaker应该比
receiver贵好几倍么
我一直搞不懂673为什么功率才90，573反倒110，所以我想就M60这样的音箱来说，573
应该效果好很多。
【在 i*d 的大作中提到】
: onkyo更贵，更重，标称功率更大，有THX认证，档次级别也更高。似乎比较之前有胜负
: 已分。不过带着太多心理暗示，不利于主观比较啊。
: 既然有机会两台机器并排比，就多玩玩，机会难得啊。
: 说明书多读一下，把两台机器尽量调到相同设置。不然，完全没得比。比如一个设大音
: 箱，一个设小音箱，基准音量还不一样，那就千差万别了。
:
: 话哈
: 下：
胳膊老腿儿的搬上搬下
心理暗示绝对有啊，不过是想留下便宜的那个，嘿嘿，不是大家都说speaker应该比
receiver贵好几倍么
我一直搞不懂673为什么功率才90，573反倒110，所以我想就M60这样的音箱来说，573
应该效果好很多。
【在 i*d 的大作中提到】
: onkyo更贵，更重，标称功率更大，有THX认证，档次级别也更高。似乎比较之前有胜负
: 已分。不过带着太多心理暗示，不利于主观比较啊。
: 既然有机会两台机器并排比，就多玩玩，机会难得啊。
: 说明书多读一下，把两台机器尽量调到相同设置。不然，完全没得比。比如一个设大音
: 箱，一个设小音箱，基准音量还不一样，那就千差万别了。
:
: 话哈
: 下：
s*d
27 楼
给他一百个胆也不敢把原来许诺了的部分改收税啊。
整个美国社会，从政府到银行到所有商业，都鼓励花光钱不要存钱。然后左逼们撸存钱
的人羊毛给把钱花光了的。
【在 t***s 的大作中提到】
: 只对future contribution, 而且是算受益人的收入。
整个美国社会，从政府到银行到所有商业，都鼓励花光钱不要存钱。然后左逼们撸存钱
的人羊毛给把钱花光了的。
【在 t***s 的大作中提到】
: 只对future contribution, 而且是算受益人的收入。
w*j
28 楼
俺比较懒。
【在 a******l 的大作中提到】
: 恩 影响了美观
: 盘子里为什么没有点汤汁 可以加点菜心一起烧了 围在边上
:
: 个。
【在 a******l 的大作中提到】
: 恩 影响了美观
: 盘子里为什么没有点汤汁 可以加点菜心一起烧了 围在边上
:
: 个。
s*g
29 楼
yamaha哪一款？如果573除了HDMI少别的应该还不错
【在 l******g 的大作中提到】
: 我也是买了Yamaha，正眼馋onkyo，唉
:
: 话哈
: 下：
【在 l******g 的大作中提到】
: 我也是买了Yamaha，正眼馋onkyo，唉
:
: 话哈
: 下：
t*s
30 楼
大学生税率很低吧。
【在 s**********d 的大作中提到】
: 给他一百个胆也不敢把原来许诺了的部分改收税啊。
: 整个美国社会，从政府到银行到所有商业，都鼓励花光钱不要存钱。然后左逼们撸存钱
: 的人羊毛给把钱花光了的。
【在 s**********d 的大作中提到】
: 给他一百个胆也不敢把原来许诺了的部分改收税啊。
: 整个美国社会，从政府到银行到所有商业，都鼓励花光钱不要存钱。然后左逼们撸存钱
: 的人羊毛给把钱花光了的。
a*l
31 楼
是我更懒吧 可以少烧个蔬菜 呵呵
最后半小时把菜心放进去一起烧很好吃的
我们家每次都是菜心更深得人口~
【在 w**j 的大作中提到】
: 俺比较懒。
最后半小时把菜心放进去一起烧很好吃的
我们家每次都是菜心更深得人口~
【在 w**j 的大作中提到】
: 俺比较懒。
s*g
32 楼
印象里我是摁了airplay，没反应。也可能太着急没仔细弄。不知道Onkyo用的什么
protocol，一插上就自动airplay了？
then
【在 b***y 的大作中提到】
:
: 话哈
: 下：
: Yamaha IPhone USB: tap "airplay" icon on your phone, select Yamaha 673, then
: you can control via IPhone.
protocol，一插上就自动airplay了？
then
【在 b***y 的大作中提到】
:
: 话哈
: 下：
: Yamaha IPhone USB: tap "airplay" icon on your phone, select Yamaha 673, then
: you can control via IPhone.
s*d
33 楼
别管税率高低，他的目标是从529收益中收$2 billion的税给别人。
【在 t***s 的大作中提到】
: 大学生税率很低吧。
w*j
34 楼
嗯，是地。
下次我也半路加点菜心，那个吸油。
【在 a******l 的大作中提到】
: 是我更懒吧 可以少烧个蔬菜 呵呵
: 最后半小时把菜心放进去一起烧很好吃的
: 我们家每次都是菜心更深得人口~
下次我也半路加点菜心，那个吸油。
【在 a******l 的大作中提到】
: 是我更懒吧 可以少烧个蔬菜 呵呵
: 最后半小时把菜心放进去一起烧很好吃的
: 我们家每次都是菜心更深得人口~
j*n
35 楼
嘻嘻，我猜你会留安桥，前天在某版见到有个熟悉ID买到了198的铆钉灰色seLma，没抢
上的表示郁闷啊哈哈
上的表示郁闷啊哈哈
s*d
36 楼
把钱挥霍光了的，become whining babies找左逼政府要钱，左逼政府
looks around, oh, those people saved a lot here and there,
let's rob them and give to those people spent beyond their
means!
另外一点，收税后529 contribution会大幅减少，将造成费用增高，结果
就是你不交税也会把钱作为费用交出去。529从2001年开始免税增长几十倍，
费用一直在降。
looks around, oh, those people saved a lot here and there,
let's rob them and give to those people spent beyond their
means!
另外一点，收税后529 contribution会大幅减少，将造成费用增高，结果
就是你不交税也会把钱作为费用交出去。529从2001年开始免税增长几十倍，
费用一直在降。
x*i
37 楼
油面筋有一个要点就是在于肉不能塞得太满，不好看，也不容易烧入味，烧过了外皮又
容易破。
容易破。
i*d
38 楼
673比573功率大些，网站标了好几个数字，容易把人弄晕。673和717比，仔细看数据，
功率差的并不太多。
Rated Output Power (1kHz, 2ch driven) 105W (8ohms, 0.9% THD)
Rated Output Power (20Hz-20kHz, 2ch driven) 90W (8ohms, 0.09% THD)
Dynamic Power per Channel (8/6/4/2 ohms) 130/170/200/240W
All Channels 125 W (6 ohms, 1 kHz, 0.7%, 2 channels driven)
Front L/R 110 W (8 ohms, 20 Hz-20 kHz, 0.08%, 2 channels driven, FTC)
125 W + 125 W (6 ohms, 1 kHz, 0.7%, 2 channels driven, FTC)
Center 110 W (8 ohms, 20 Hz-20 kHz, 0.08%, 2 channels driven, FTC)
125 W (6 ohms, 1 kHz, 0.7%, 2 channels driven, FTC)
Surround L/R 110 W (8 ohms, 20 Hz-20 kHz, 0.08%, 2 channels driven, FTC)
125 W + 125 W (6 ohms, 1 kHz, 0.7%, 2 channels driven, FTC)
Surround Back L/R 110 W (8 ohms, 20 Hz-20 kHz, 0.08%, 2 channels driven, FTC)
125 W + 125 W (6 ohms, 1 kHz, 0.7%, 2 channels driven, FTC)
Dynamic Power 250 W (3 ohms, 1 ch)
220 W (4 ohms, 1 ch)
130 W (8 ohms, 1 ch)
我觉得receiver还是贵点好。speaker比receiver贵好几倍，我肯定不认同。
yamaha环绕效果强，onkyo功能强。还得自己多调整，再做决定
573
【在 s*****g 的大作中提到】
: 那个Yamaha也够沉，可能薄一厘米吧，比十年前我的receiver厚一倍，很不利于我这老
: 胳膊老腿儿的搬上搬下
: 心理暗示绝对有啊，不过是想留下便宜的那个，嘿嘿，不是大家都说speaker应该比
: receiver贵好几倍么
: 我一直搞不懂673为什么功率才90，573反倒110，所以我想就M60这样的音箱来说，573
: 应该效果好很多。
功率差的并不太多。
Rated Output Power (1kHz, 2ch driven) 105W (8ohms, 0.9% THD)
Rated Output Power (20Hz-20kHz, 2ch driven) 90W (8ohms, 0.09% THD)
Dynamic Power per Channel (8/6/4/2 ohms) 130/170/200/240W
All Channels 125 W (6 ohms, 1 kHz, 0.7%, 2 channels driven)
Front L/R 110 W (8 ohms, 20 Hz-20 kHz, 0.08%, 2 channels driven, FTC)
125 W + 125 W (6 ohms, 1 kHz, 0.7%, 2 channels driven, FTC)
Center 110 W (8 ohms, 20 Hz-20 kHz, 0.08%, 2 channels driven, FTC)
125 W (6 ohms, 1 kHz, 0.7%, 2 channels driven, FTC)
Surround L/R 110 W (8 ohms, 20 Hz-20 kHz, 0.08%, 2 channels driven, FTC)
125 W + 125 W (6 ohms, 1 kHz, 0.7%, 2 channels driven, FTC)
Surround Back L/R 110 W (8 ohms, 20 Hz-20 kHz, 0.08%, 2 channels driven, FTC)
125 W + 125 W (6 ohms, 1 kHz, 0.7%, 2 channels driven, FTC)
Dynamic Power 250 W (3 ohms, 1 ch)
220 W (4 ohms, 1 ch)
130 W (8 ohms, 1 ch)
我觉得receiver还是贵点好。speaker比receiver贵好几倍，我肯定不认同。
yamaha环绕效果强，onkyo功能强。还得自己多调整，再做决定
573
【在 s*****g 的大作中提到】
: 那个Yamaha也够沉，可能薄一厘米吧，比十年前我的receiver厚一倍，很不利于我这老
: 胳膊老腿儿的搬上搬下
: 心理暗示绝对有啊，不过是想留下便宜的那个，嘿嘿，不是大家都说speaker应该比
: receiver贵好几倍么
: 我一直搞不懂673为什么功率才90，573反倒110，所以我想就M60这样的音箱来说，573
: 应该效果好很多。
g*k
39 楼
那我就不存了
【在 t***s 的大作中提到】
: 只对future contribution, 而且是算受益人的收入。
【在 t***s 的大作中提到】
: 只对future contribution, 而且是算受益人的收入。
w*j
40 楼
哎呀，你说的正是。下次我少塞点。
【在 x*******i 的大作中提到】
: 油面筋有一个要点就是在于肉不能塞得太满，不好看，也不容易烧入味，烧过了外皮又
: 容易破。
【在 x*******i 的大作中提到】
: 油面筋有一个要点就是在于肉不能塞得太满，不好看，也不容易烧入味，烧过了外皮又
: 容易破。
s*g
41 楼
哈哈，你也是到处乱跑啊
是188-10%，今天终于寄出来了，哦耶。咱俩品味还真差不多
【在 j********n 的大作中提到】
: 嘻嘻，我猜你会留安桥，前天在某版见到有个熟悉ID买到了198的铆钉灰色seLma，没抢
: 上的表示郁闷啊哈哈
是188-10%，今天终于寄出来了，哦耶。咱俩品味还真差不多
【在 j********n 的大作中提到】
: 嘻嘻，我猜你会留安桥，前天在某版见到有个熟悉ID买到了198的铆钉灰色seLma，没抢
: 上的表示郁闷啊哈哈
a*s
42 楼
对加州来说，没什么不同吧？反正加州没有tax benefit on 529
zk
43 楼
不错
就是这么多肉怎么能吃的下去。。
油，水，酱油，姜，葱。
【在 w**j 的大作中提到】
: 准备时间比较长，塞的肉太多，煮时间长了点。肉里面加了香菇，马蹄，小粉，盐，油，水，酱油，姜，葱。
: 剩下的肉糜做了几个大肉丸子，做了狮子头汤。汤底用的玉米排骨汤，玉米的鲜甜味，
: 正好让汤有淮扬味道。
就是这么多肉怎么能吃的下去。。
油，水，酱油，姜，葱。
【在 w**j 的大作中提到】
: 准备时间比较长，塞的肉太多，煮时间长了点。肉里面加了香菇，马蹄，小粉，盐，油，水，酱油，姜，葱。
: 剩下的肉糜做了几个大肉丸子，做了狮子头汤。汤底用的玉米排骨汤，玉米的鲜甜味，
: 正好让汤有淮扬味道。
s*g
44 楼
怪不得，如果我直接试5.1没准把雅马哈留下了。
Onkyo的设计比较适合我这种不想投入只想享受的懒人
【在 i*d 的大作中提到】
: 673比573功率大些，网站标了好几个数字，容易把人弄晕。673和717比，仔细看数据，
: 功率差的并不太多。
: Rated Output Power (1kHz, 2ch driven) 105W (8ohms, 0.9% THD)
: Rated Output Power (20Hz-20kHz, 2ch driven) 90W (8ohms, 0.09% THD)
: Dynamic Power per Channel (8/6/4/2 ohms) 130/170/200/240W
: All Channels 125 W (6 ohms, 1 kHz, 0.7%, 2 channels driven)
: Front L/R 110 W (8 ohms, 20 Hz-20 kHz, 0.08%, 2 channels driven, FTC)
: 125 W + 125 W (6 ohms, 1 kHz, 0.7%, 2 channels driven, FTC)
: Center 110 W (8 ohms, 20 Hz-20 kHz, 0.08%, 2 channels driven, FTC)
: 125 W (6 ohms, 1 kHz, 0.7%, 2 channels driven, FTC)
Onkyo的设计比较适合我这种不想投入只想享受的懒人
【在 i*d 的大作中提到】
: 673比573功率大些，网站标了好几个数字，容易把人弄晕。673和717比，仔细看数据，
: 功率差的并不太多。
: Rated Output Power (1kHz, 2ch driven) 105W (8ohms, 0.9% THD)
: Rated Output Power (20Hz-20kHz, 2ch driven) 90W (8ohms, 0.09% THD)
: Dynamic Power per Channel (8/6/4/2 ohms) 130/170/200/240W
: All Channels 125 W (6 ohms, 1 kHz, 0.7%, 2 channels driven)
: Front L/R 110 W (8 ohms, 20 Hz-20 kHz, 0.08%, 2 channels driven, FTC)
: 125 W + 125 W (6 ohms, 1 kHz, 0.7%, 2 channels driven, FTC)
: Center 110 W (8 ohms, 20 Hz-20 kHz, 0.08%, 2 channels driven, FTC)
: 125 W (6 ohms, 1 kHz, 0.7%, 2 channels driven, FTC)
s*d
45 楼
收益交不交税，全国都一样。交的话加州州税更高。
【在 a*****s 的大作中提到】
: 对加州来说，没什么不同吧？反正加州没有tax benefit on 529
【在 a*****s 的大作中提到】
: 对加州来说，没什么不同吧？反正加州没有tax benefit on 529
w*j
46 楼
其实，做得好吃的话，很开胃的，很容易吃下去。
【在 zk 的大作中提到】
: 不错
: 就是这么多肉怎么能吃的下去。。
:
: 油，水，酱油，姜，葱。
【在 zk 的大作中提到】
: 不错
: 就是这么多肉怎么能吃的下去。。
:
: 油，水，酱油，姜，葱。
i*d
47 楼
试5.1，试5.1.
环绕效果很有趣的。
【在 s*****g 的大作中提到】
: 怪不得，如果我直接试5.1没准把雅马哈留下了。
: Onkyo的设计比较适合我这种不想投入只想享受的懒人
环绕效果很有趣的。
【在 s*****g 的大作中提到】
: 怪不得，如果我直接试5.1没准把雅马哈留下了。
: Onkyo的设计比较适合我这种不想投入只想享受的懒人
S*C
48 楼
First of all, there is no chance for that to be passed in the Republican
controlled House. It is DOA.
Secondly, for me personally, there is 5-year election rule if the
unthinkable becomes the reality. Just follow "Dear Leader", make a jumbo
contribution.
I understand people's frustration but I guess we do not want to make this
forum another political echo chamber, we have plenty already on this bbs.
【在 g*****k 的大作中提到】
: 那我就不存了
controlled House. It is DOA.
Secondly, for me personally, there is 5-year election rule if the
unthinkable becomes the reality. Just follow "Dear Leader", make a jumbo
contribution.
I understand people's frustration but I guess we do not want to make this
forum another political echo chamber, we have plenty already on this bbs.
【在 g*****k 的大作中提到】
: 那我就不存了
j*g
49 楼
是有点太多了，葱末再多放点。红烧的味道更劲爆。
油，水，酱油，姜，葱。
【在 w**j 的大作中提到】
: 准备时间比较长，塞的肉太多，煮时间长了点。肉里面加了香菇，马蹄，小粉，盐，油，水，酱油，姜，葱。
: 剩下的肉糜做了几个大肉丸子，做了狮子头汤。汤底用的玉米排骨汤，玉米的鲜甜味，
: 正好让汤有淮扬味道。
油，水，酱油，姜，葱。
【在 w**j 的大作中提到】
: 准备时间比较长，塞的肉太多，煮时间长了点。肉里面加了香菇，马蹄，小粉，盐，油，水，酱油，姜，葱。
: 剩下的肉糜做了几个大肉丸子，做了狮子头汤。汤底用的玉米排骨汤，玉米的鲜甜味，
: 正好让汤有淮扬味道。
l*g
50 楼
我买的yamaha A820，标称功率100Wx7 @20-20kHz 8o，说明书上写的耗电400W （110V）
同样100W x7的onkyo 616，说明书上写的耗电600W （110V）
难道yamaha掌握了天顶星科技？反正我听着yamaha推我的klipsch音箱中频很单薄
问题就是没有对比过onkyo的声音，在店里听pioneer的receiver推同样的音箱，中频就
不错，不过环境不同，不知道有没有可比性
同样100W x7的onkyo 616，说明书上写的耗电600W （110V）
难道yamaha掌握了天顶星科技？反正我听着yamaha推我的klipsch音箱中频很单薄
问题就是没有对比过onkyo的声音，在店里听pioneer的receiver推同样的音箱，中频就
不错，不过环境不同，不知道有没有可比性
s*d
51 楼
你是对的。
【在 S**C 的大作中提到】
: First of all, there is no chance for that to be passed in the Republican
: controlled House. It is DOA.
: Secondly, for me personally, there is 5-year election rule if the
: unthinkable becomes the reality. Just follow "Dear Leader", make a jumbo
: contribution.
: I understand people's frustration but I guess we do not want to make this
: forum another political echo chamber, we have plenty already on this bbs.
【在 S**C 的大作中提到】
: First of all, there is no chance for that to be passed in the Republican
: controlled House. It is DOA.
: Secondly, for me personally, there is 5-year election rule if the
: unthinkable becomes the reality. Just follow "Dear Leader", make a jumbo
: contribution.
: I understand people's frustration but I guess we do not want to make this
: forum another political echo chamber, we have plenty already on this bbs.
p*e
52 楼
天热，最近我看到汤就流口水
油，水，酱油，姜，葱。
【在 w**j 的大作中提到】
: 准备时间比较长，塞的肉太多，煮时间长了点。肉里面加了香菇，马蹄，小粉，盐，油，水，酱油，姜，葱。
: 剩下的肉糜做了几个大肉丸子，做了狮子头汤。汤底用的玉米排骨汤，玉米的鲜甜味，
: 正好让汤有淮扬味道。
油，水，酱油，姜，葱。
【在 w**j 的大作中提到】
: 准备时间比较长，塞的肉太多，煮时间长了点。肉里面加了香菇，马蹄，小粉，盐，油，水，酱油，姜，葱。
: 剩下的肉糜做了几个大肉丸子，做了狮子头汤。汤底用的玉米排骨汤，玉米的鲜甜味，
: 正好让汤有淮扬味道。
j*r
53 楼
这个我不是很久前跟你说过了么, 看功率的话要认真看manual:
TX-717: 机器总的Power Consumption 6.8 A
110 watts , 8 ohm, 2 channels
注意这个是continious power的数据
673: 机器总的Power Consumption 400W
95 watts, 8 ohm, 2 channels
Yamaha没敢说是continious power的, 估计是dynamic的数据, 这个差别很大.
LS那个616和A820的比较也类似.
话哈
下：
【在 s*****g 的大作中提到】
: 本人属音响白痴级菜鸟，希望不需要太多的技术知识就能达到不错的效果。大家别笑话哈
: 两个音箱都是在完成initiation后基本的调试下比较的，Yamaha 的Ypao和Onkyo的
: Audessey，音质比较用的USB接Iphone input，2.0 stereo，音箱Polk M60。 感想如下：
: 1. 功率：Yamaha 673 power M60 明显没劲儿，其实这个早知道，兔子同学也跟我说了
: 要选功率较大那个，只是没想到效果区别这么大。Onkyo一上全家都被震撼了，音质很
: 赞，我还什么都没调呢。如果power 小点功率的音箱我想yamaha应该也不错
: 2. 界面：雅马哈的GUI比较简陋，看着灰蒙蒙的。我查了好多次manual才弄懂一些基本
: 应用。 Onkyo有点21世纪的感觉了，intuitive，就我这种菜鸟也能顺藤摸瓜，不用看
: manual就弄个差不离
: 3. Iphone USB：我只是想试试最简单的USB input， 这个yamaha不知道怎么想的，不
TX-717: 机器总的Power Consumption 6.8 A
110 watts , 8 ohm, 2 channels
注意这个是continious power的数据
673: 机器总的Power Consumption 400W
95 watts, 8 ohm, 2 channels
Yamaha没敢说是continious power的, 估计是dynamic的数据, 这个差别很大.
LS那个616和A820的比较也类似.
话哈
下：
【在 s*****g 的大作中提到】
: 本人属音响白痴级菜鸟，希望不需要太多的技术知识就能达到不错的效果。大家别笑话哈
: 两个音箱都是在完成initiation后基本的调试下比较的，Yamaha 的Ypao和Onkyo的
: Audessey，音质比较用的USB接Iphone input，2.0 stereo，音箱Polk M60。 感想如下：
: 1. 功率：Yamaha 673 power M60 明显没劲儿，其实这个早知道，兔子同学也跟我说了
: 要选功率较大那个，只是没想到效果区别这么大。Onkyo一上全家都被震撼了，音质很
: 赞，我还什么都没调呢。如果power 小点功率的音箱我想yamaha应该也不错
: 2. 界面：雅马哈的GUI比较简陋，看着灰蒙蒙的。我查了好多次manual才弄懂一些基本
: 应用。 Onkyo有点21世纪的感觉了，intuitive，就我这种菜鸟也能顺藤摸瓜，不用看
: manual就弄个差不离
: 3. Iphone USB：我只是想试试最简单的USB input， 这个yamaha不知道怎么想的，不
s*i
54 楼
这个不可能通过的，别想太多了。
k*i
55 楼
口水哗哗的。。。。。。。
i*d
56 楼
前面回帖里我把所有数字都贴了。人家还是标的挺明确的。
【在 j*********r 的大作中提到】
: 这个我不是很久前跟你说过了么, 看功率的话要认真看manual:
: TX-717: 机器总的Power Consumption 6.8 A
: 110 watts , 8 ohm, 2 channels
: 注意这个是continious power的数据
: 673: 机器总的Power Consumption 400W
: 95 watts, 8 ohm, 2 channels
: Yamaha没敢说是continious power的, 估计是dynamic的数据, 这个差别很大.
: LS那个616和A820的比较也类似.
:
: 话哈
【在 j*********r 的大作中提到】
: 这个我不是很久前跟你说过了么, 看功率的话要认真看manual:
: TX-717: 机器总的Power Consumption 6.8 A
: 110 watts , 8 ohm, 2 channels
: 注意这个是continious power的数据
: 673: 机器总的Power Consumption 400W
: 95 watts, 8 ohm, 2 channels
: Yamaha没敢说是continious power的, 估计是dynamic的数据, 这个差别很大.
: LS那个616和A820的比较也类似.
:
: 话哈
m*l
57 楼
做这道菜要有耐心，先用一根尖头筷子给油面筋开口（记住是一根哦），筷子探进去后
以洞口为圆心转一转把面筋里的纤维挑断，然后慢慢往里面一点一点塞肉馅（建议搬张
凳子坐着：）），切忌无耐心把洞口撑大。这样破口才小，塞进去的肉馅才多，烧出来
的成品才会更漂亮。：）
以洞口为圆心转一转把面筋里的纤维挑断，然后慢慢往里面一点一点塞肉馅（建议搬张
凳子坐着：）），切忌无耐心把洞口撑大。这样破口才小，塞进去的肉馅才多，烧出来
的成品才会更漂亮。：）
j*r
58 楼
你列的搞不清哪个是哪个啊, 我加了个总功率的data顺便解释下LS对天顶星技术的疑问
而已. 其实这俩机器的功率其实差了快一倍了, 673总功率是400W, 717的6.8A x 110V
= 748w, 另外continious power可比dynamic power的数据靠谱多了.
【在 i*d 的大作中提到】
: 前面回帖里我把所有数字都贴了。人家还是标的挺明确的。
而已. 其实这俩机器的功率其实差了快一倍了, 673总功率是400W, 717的6.8A x 110V
= 748w, 另外continious power可比dynamic power的数据靠谱多了.
【在 i*d 的大作中提到】
: 前面回帖里我把所有数字都贴了。人家还是标的挺明确的。
s*6
59 楼
LZ家好富有，放这么多的肉肉呀？我家宝宝看见了一定流口水。
i*d
60 楼
其实不如看重量。标称功率意义有限。
最重要的还是听效果了。
说道重量，我原来的receiver 60磅。
110V）
【在 l******g 的大作中提到】
: 我买的yamaha A820，标称功率100Wx7 @20-20kHz 8o，说明书上写的耗电400W （110V）
: 同样100W x7的onkyo 616，说明书上写的耗电600W （110V）
: 难道yamaha掌握了天顶星科技？反正我听着yamaha推我的klipsch音箱中频很单薄
: 问题就是没有对比过onkyo的声音，在店里听pioneer的receiver推同样的音箱，中频就
: 不错，不过环境不同，不知道有没有可比性
最重要的还是听效果了。
说道重量，我原来的receiver 60磅。
110V）
【在 l******g 的大作中提到】
: 我买的yamaha A820，标称功率100Wx7 @20-20kHz 8o，说明书上写的耗电400W （110V）
: 同样100W x7的onkyo 616，说明书上写的耗电600W （110V）
: 难道yamaha掌握了天顶星科技？反正我听着yamaha推我的klipsch音箱中频很单薄
: 问题就是没有对比过onkyo的声音，在店里听pioneer的receiver推同样的音箱，中频就
: 不错，不过环境不同，不知道有没有可比性
G*y
61 楼
第二张。。。好想咬一口。。。 O_O
老板 来一盘２ 一碗４吧~ ^______________,^
老板 来一盘２ 一碗４吧~ ^______________,^
j*r
62 楼
是啊, 现在的标称功率都是忽悠消费者的, 说到重量, 以前那个sony S9000ES的DVD
player那个重, 都是铜啊, 现在谁还舍得这么用料的.
【在 i*d 的大作中提到】
: 其实不如看重量。标称功率意义有限。
: 最重要的还是听效果了。
: 说道重量，我原来的receiver 60磅。
:
: 110V）
player那个重, 都是铜啊, 现在谁还舍得这么用料的.
【在 i*d 的大作中提到】
: 其实不如看重量。标称功率意义有限。
: 最重要的还是听效果了。
: 说道重量，我原来的receiver 60磅。
:
: 110V）
j*n
63 楼
还真是你啊，deal实在太好了！看上去你家boy应该比我家的姑娘小一点点，嘿嘿。
【在 s*****g 的大作中提到】
: 哈哈，你也是到处乱跑啊
: 是188-10%，今天终于寄出来了，哦耶。咱俩品味还真差不多
【在 s*****g 的大作中提到】
: 哈哈，你也是到处乱跑啊
: 是188-10%，今天终于寄出来了，哦耶。咱俩品味还真差不多
s*g
64 楼
你看的是我儿子6个月的照片吧，现在是六岁的小青葱了
那个Stud我真是拿不准，最心水的是pearl grey medium,不降价啊
【在 j********n 的大作中提到】
: 还真是你啊，deal实在太好了！看上去你家boy应该比我家的姑娘小一点点，嘿嘿。
那个Stud我真是拿不准，最心水的是pearl grey medium,不降价啊
【在 j********n 的大作中提到】
: 还真是你啊，deal实在太好了！看上去你家boy应该比我家的姑娘小一点点，嘿嘿。
s*g
65 楼
我初中物理忘光了，6.8A相当于748W?
=================
刚看贴不仔细，算对了！
【在 j*********r 的大作中提到】
: 这个我不是很久前跟你说过了么, 看功率的话要认真看manual:
: TX-717: 机器总的Power Consumption 6.8 A
: 110 watts , 8 ohm, 2 channels
: 注意这个是continious power的数据
: 673: 机器总的Power Consumption 400W
: 95 watts, 8 ohm, 2 channels
: Yamaha没敢说是continious power的, 估计是dynamic的数据, 这个差别很大.
: LS那个616和A820的比较也类似.
:
: 话哈
=================
刚看贴不仔细，算对了！
【在 j*********r 的大作中提到】
: 这个我不是很久前跟你说过了么, 看功率的话要认真看manual:
: TX-717: 机器总的Power Consumption 6.8 A
: 110 watts , 8 ohm, 2 channels
: 注意这个是continious power的数据
: 673: 机器总的Power Consumption 400W
: 95 watts, 8 ohm, 2 channels
: Yamaha没敢说是continious power的, 估计是dynamic的数据, 这个差别很大.
: LS那个616和A820的比较也类似.
:
: 话哈
j*n
66 楼
我想说这是高中物理吧，因为我根本就没有学过。。。哈哈
【在 s*****g 的大作中提到】
: 我初中物理忘光了，6.8A相当于748W?
: =================
: 刚看贴不仔细，算对了！
【在 s*****g 的大作中提到】
: 我初中物理忘光了，6.8A相当于748W?
: =================
: 刚看贴不仔细，算对了！
j*r
67 楼
我说, 你在哪上的中学啊.
http://www.xuexifangfa.com/chuzhong/wuli/zhishidian/12560.html
【在 j********n 的大作中提到】
: 我想说这是高中物理吧，因为我根本就没有学过。。。哈哈
http://www.xuexifangfa.com/chuzhong/wuli/zhishidian/12560.html
【在 j********n 的大作中提到】
: 我想说这是高中物理吧，因为我根本就没有学过。。。哈哈
j*n
68 楼
哈哈。那么就是我初中物理也基本没有学了哈。。太惭愧了。
【在 j*********r 的大作中提到】
: 我说, 你在哪上的中学啊.
: http://www.xuexifangfa.com/chuzhong/wuli/zhishidian/12560.html
【在 j*********r 的大作中提到】
: 我说, 你在哪上的中学啊.
: http://www.xuexifangfa.com/chuzhong/wuli/zhishidian/12560.html
j*r
69 楼
这里面很多东西我也都忘了, 其实初中学过很多很多东西的.
【在 j********n 的大作中提到】
: 哈哈。那么就是我初中物理也基本没有学了哈。。太惭愧了。
【在 j********n 的大作中提到】
: 哈哈。那么就是我初中物理也基本没有学了哈。。太惭愧了。
j*n
70 楼
嗯，你那个link我要好好看看，重新学一下。
【在 j*********r 的大作中提到】
: 这里面很多东西我也都忘了, 其实初中学过很多很多东西的.
【在 j*********r 的大作中提到】
: 这里面很多东西我也都忘了, 其实初中学过很多很多东西的.
s*g
71 楼
我记得macy's 没有medium grey，只在MK专卖店里见到过，别的selma都堆一起，就把
它放在一个单独展台上用光打着，怎一个高大上了得。不过本着我一贯cheap的原则也
不能放着打折的去买原价的，嘿
是MK pink小三包还是KS？这包在国内都烂大街了？我以为国内只认coach，LV啥的
版包你全收了？以后我就跟你混了
【在 j********n 的大作中提到】
: 嗯，你那个link我要好好看看，重新学一下。
它放在一个单独展台上用光打着，怎一个高大上了得。不过本着我一贯cheap的原则也
不能放着打折的去买原价的，嘿
是MK pink小三包还是KS？这包在国内都烂大街了？我以为国内只认coach，LV啥的
版包你全收了？以后我就跟你混了
【在 j********n 的大作中提到】
: 嗯，你那个link我要好好看看，重新学一下。
s*g
72 楼
你不会比我还文科吧，高中文科也学物理，一直上到高二呢，还要通过省统一考试，我
是我们班理科最好，文科最差的
【在 j********n 的大作中提到】
: 我想说这是高中物理吧，因为我根本就没有学过。。。哈哈
是我们班理科最好，文科最差的
【在 j********n 的大作中提到】
: 我想说这是高中物理吧，因为我根本就没有学过。。。哈哈
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