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c*l2005-10-27 07:10

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waltz究竟是不是1-2都是大步？
我现在经过一番努力，lower body也还凑合了，1的大步也能迈开了。现在的问题是
2可能迈得不够大，所以重心不稳，因为从侧面push不够，另外起伏也不好，还有就是
turn的角度总嫌不够。
高手快来给俺指点一下吧，周六就comp了，bow!

a*e2005-10-27 07:10

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我这个layman瞎说说吧。以基本四方步为例，waltz的第2步是滑步，第1步迈大步后，
第2步沿第1步出脚，然后滑向垂直方向，身体重心一直较低，膝盖弯曲，第3步收脚
并拢后重心升高，脚是弓形脚尖着地象垫着脚尖似的(但因为女生穿高跟舞鞋，所以
其实应该是鞋掌全着地，男生不知)。
还有个大家可能都知道的tip：进用脚跟，退用脚尖。这里顺便提醒一下。

【在 c*******l 的大作中提到】

: waltz究竟是不是1-2都是大步？
: 我现在经过一番努力，lower body也还凑合了，1的大步也能迈开了。现在的问题是
: 2可能迈得不够大，所以重心不稳，因为从侧面push不够，另外起伏也不好，还有就是
: turn的角度总嫌不够。
: 高手快来给俺指点一下吧，周六就comp了，bow!

a*e2005-10-27 07:10

3 楼

@[email protected], me too lay to understand this, can someone please explain it? thx!

c*l2005-10-27 07:10

4 楼

获益匪浅获益匪浅呀。bow!

a*e2005-10-27 07:10

5 楼

你们说黑话，欺负人，哼

【在 c*******l 的大作中提到】

: 获益匪浅获益匪浅呀。bow!

c*l2005-10-27 07:10

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姐姐呀，是这么的。
这个文章的意思是，第1步最重要，基本决定以后的balance和走向问题。所以如果第一步
太大，身体一旦完全stretch开，就没有后面的余量，从而使起伏和balance变得很困难，
这个刚好是我的毛病，以前我迈不开步，现在是迈得太大。所以第一步虽然很主要，但是
带着一点试探的味道，所以要适当，给第2步得起伏和保持做准备。
forward总是heel-toe
backward toe-heel
女士在backward的时候，如果比如是右脚起步，那么1上左脚应该release toe,就是说不
要绷脚面试图把脚留在floor上，而应该release toe,让脚底离开floor,这样大步就会很
容易。
哈，我成为standard大牛看来指日可待呀 :P

【在 a*****e 的大作中提到】

: @[email protected], me too lay to understand this, can someone please explain it? thx!

c*l2005-10-27 07:10

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//pat
x-3-7-13 is JHQ , in telnet , press x, then find 3, then, 7, then 13

【在 a*****e 的大作中提到】

: 你们说黑话，欺负人，哼

M*e2005-10-27 07:10

8 楼

步
，
是
不
很
one more point:
plus push with the front heel

【在 c*******l 的大作中提到】

: 姐姐呀，是这么的。
: 这个文章的意思是，第1步最重要，基本决定以后的balance和走向问题。所以如果第一步
: 太大，身体一旦完全stretch开，就没有后面的余量，从而使起伏和balance变得很困难，
: 这个刚好是我的毛病，以前我迈不开步，现在是迈得太大。所以第一步虽然很主要，但是
: 带着一点试探的味道，所以要适当，给第2步得起伏和保持做准备。
: forward总是heel-toe
: backward toe-heel
: 女士在backward的时候，如果比如是右脚起步，那么1上左脚应该release toe,就是说不
: 要绷脚面试图把脚留在floor上，而应该release toe,让脚底离开floor,这样大步就会很
: 容易。

c*l2005-10-27 07:10

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是说比如，natural turn for man, second half, man backward从左脚起步，那
要用右脚的脚跟来push而不是toe?嗯。又学了一招呀。看来我 standard的确太烂了

【在 M*****e 的大作中提到】

:
: 步
: ，
: 是
: 不
: 很
: one more point:
: plus push with the front heel

m*e2005-10-27 07:10

10 楼

第一步不能大，老大
第一步collect energy，第二步release
第一步大了哪里来的energy啊

【在 c*******l 的大作中提到】

c*l2005-10-27 07:10

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yeah!!

【在 m******e 的大作中提到】

: 第一步不能大，老大
: 第一步collect energy，第二步release
: 第一步大了哪里来的energy啊

d*e2005-10-27 07:10

12 楼

the 2nd step is the longest distance wise not because you're taking a larger
step but because of the body swing. this takes time to develop so for your
saturday comp, focus on timing, posture and frame.

【在 c*******l 的大作中提到】

c*l2005-10-27 07:10

13 楼

hao! i got it

【在 d********e 的大作中提到】

: the 2nd step is the longest distance wise not because you're taking a larger
: step but because of the body swing. this takes time to develop so for your
: saturday comp, focus on timing, posture and frame.

o*n2005-10-27 07:10

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喔？周六比赛？拉丁也比么？
祝好运！

【在 c*******l 的大作中提到】

c*l2005-10-27 07:10

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yeah, only rumba/chacha tho

【在 o***n 的大作中提到】

: 喔？周六比赛？拉丁也比么？
: 祝好运！

o*n2005-10-27 07:10

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where is your comp?
i will also attend a local comp this sat, and i will also do rumba/chacha only
, hehe.

【在 c*******l 的大作中提到】

: yeah, only rumba/chacha tho

c*l2005-10-27 07:10

17 楼

haha //hand
Berkeley beginners, hhaa

only

【在 o***n 的大作中提到】

: where is your comp?
: i will also attend a local comp this sat, and i will also do rumba/chacha only
: , hehe.

c*l2005-10-27 07:10

18 楼

yeah,
我就是高尔基笔下的海鸥，在连续三个comps到来的时候，哆哆嗦嗦的，在光洁的地板上
瑟瑟发抖

【在 M*****e 的大作中提到】

:
: 步
: ，
: 是
: 不
: 很
: one more point:
: plus push with the front heel

o*n2005-10-27 07:10

19 楼

别怕别怕，一回生，两回熟，三回就全明白了，呵呵
这是第几个呀？去不去ohio star ball呀？

上

【在 c*******l 的大作中提到】

: yeah,
: 我就是高尔基笔下的海鸥，在连续三个comps到来的时候，哆哆嗦嗦的，在光洁的地板上
: 瑟瑟发抖

c*l2005-10-27 07:10

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第2，3，4个。ohio ball肯定不去，我就在local玩了

【在 o***n 的大作中提到】

: 别怕别怕，一回生，两回熟，三回就全明白了，呵呵
: 这是第几个呀？去不去ohio star ball呀？
:
: 上

c*l2005-10-27 07:10

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我看了你的照片，我觉得你很面熟

【在 o***n 的大作中提到】

: 别怕别怕，一回生，两回熟，三回就全明白了，呵呵
: 这是第几个呀？去不去ohio star ball呀？
:
: 上

o*n2005-10-27 07:10

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是么？看了有几次呀？一回生，两回熟么，呵呵

【在 c*******l 的大作中提到】

: 我看了你的照片，我觉得你很面熟

n*r2005-10-27 07:10

23 楼

The most important in standard, or for that matter, all the dances is that
when in motion you have to stay on one foot as long as the music allows before
transit to another foot, keep the transition time to a minimum.
That manifests itself in the full rolling action, from landing on heel to
pushing off on toe, of the right foot (for gentleman) in count 1. The first
step, the prep-step, can also be a relatively big step, only that the left
knee bends slightly quicker than the right knee in the s

【在 c*******l 的大作中提到】

c*l2005-10-27 07:10

24 楼

got it!
push from side to the back

before
word
second

【在 n********r 的大作中提到】

: The most important in standard, or for that matter, all the dances is that
: when in motion you have to stay on one foot as long as the music allows before
: transit to another foot, keep the transition time to a minimum.
: That manifests itself in the full rolling action, from landing on heel to
: pushing off on toe, of the right foot (for gentleman) in count 1. The first
: step, the prep-step, can also be a relatively big step, only that the left
: knee bends slightly quicker than the right knee in the s

p*o2005-10-27 07:10

25 楼

步
，
是
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ this is only true for the first step bah?
不
很

【在 c*******l 的大作中提到】

d*e2005-10-27 07:10

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我的天，别想那么多，就正常的走路好了。往前走的时候不是脚跟先着地，往后走不是脚
尖先着地嘛。

【在 p*****o 的大作中提到】

:
: 步
: ，
: 是
: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ this is only true for the first step bah?
: 不
: 很

n*r2005-10-27 07:10

27 楼

Looks like dancedance is a naturalist. Actually, I agree that the most
beautiful and efficient movement is what comes most naturally and feels the
most comfortable. (Hmm, how about lying down and falling asleep. :-) ) Of
course it is under the constrain of aiming to achieve a certain look and feel
for a dance. Some people have better instincts than others. Often times it is
hard to find the best body movement. In that case we need to be taught the
techniques.
In the case of foot action, sometime

【在 d********e 的大作中提到】

: 我的天，别想那么多，就正常的走路好了。往前走的时候不是脚跟先着地，往后走不是脚
: 尖先着地嘛。

c*l2005-10-27 07:10

28 楼

haha. usually we wont walk backwards ya, haha

脚

【在 d********e 的大作中提到】

: 我的天，别想那么多，就正常的走路好了。往前走的时候不是脚跟先着地，往后走不是脚
: 尖先着地嘛。

c*l2005-10-27 07:10

29 楼

Welcome back!

【在 p*****o 的大作中提到】

:
: 步
: ，
: 是
: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ this is only true for the first step bah?
: 不
: 很

p*o2005-10-27 07:10

30 楼

thanks. My dancing life is misarable now -- I cannot even find a partner.
I don't know why there are so few people dance American style, it is in
America! Anyway, it's time to learn more international style basics.

【在 c*******l 的大作中提到】

: Welcome back!

c*l2005-10-27 07:10

31 楼

I would suggest you learn international style now because it will grealy help
the post, actions, whatsoever.

【在 p*****o 的大作中提到】

: thanks. My dancing life is misarable now -- I cannot even find a partner.
: I don't know why there are so few people dance American style, it is in
: America! Anyway, it's time to learn more international style basics.

p*o2005-10-27 07:10

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I need to wait for classes in next semester. hate to learn by myself.
Actually, I'm quite into Tango now. There is a tango club very close to
where I live and I almost go there every Monday. Maybe it will harm my
ballroom skills, but who cares, I simply enjoy dancing.

help

【在 c*******l 的大作中提到】

: I would suggest you learn international style now because it will grealy help
: the post, actions, whatsoever.

d*e2005-10-27 07:10

33 楼

if you just walk back, will you land your moving leg with heel first? no,
because it'll tip your weight back and over. your body has learned to do this
already, no need to stress over it.

【在 c*******l 的大作中提到】

: haha. usually we wont walk backwards ya, haha
:
: 脚

c*l2005-10-27 07:10

34 楼

good enough. do whatever you like ya. if you really enjoy tangoi,
just go for it. later, if you dont like any more, try sth else.
life is beautiful :)

【在 p*****o 的大作中提到】

: I need to wait for classes in next semester. hate to learn by myself.
: Actually, I'm quite into Tango now. There is a tango club very close to
: where I live and I almost go there every Monday. Maybe it will harm my
: ballroom skills, but who cares, I simply enjoy dancing.
:
: help

c*l2005-10-27 07:10

35 楼

yep! haha.

this

【在 d********e 的大作中提到】

: if you just walk back, will you land your moving leg with heel first? no,
: because it'll tip your weight back and over. your body has learned to do this
: already, no need to stress over it.

m*e2005-10-27 07:10

36 楼

I am with you on this. But sometimes when people begin to dance, they forget
natural movements of their bodies.

this

【在 d********e 的大作中提到】

: if you just walk back, will you land your moving leg with heel first? no,
: because it'll tip your weight back and over. your body has learned to do this
: already, no need to stress over it.

c*l2005-10-27 07:10

37 楼

是阿是啊，我通常跳舞完毕，都是爬回家的，因为我通常忘了我是如何走路来的了

【在 m******e 的大作中提到】

: I am with you on this. But sometimes when people begin to dance, they forget
: natural movements of their bodies.
:
: this

d*e2005-10-27 07:10

38 楼

doing what the body normally would do in an abnormal setting such as a dance
floor can be difficult. i may be a naturalist in terms of footwork but i'm
fully aware of the necessity of breaking things into technical pieces to
produce the desired movement. however, i find that the only way i can absort
that technical information is if it's given one piece at a time. i'm usually
lost when the discussion goes like; move muscle a first, muscle b second,
while keeping muscle c in this position. that's

【在 n********r 的大作中提到】

: Looks like dancedance is a naturalist. Actually, I agree that the most
: beautiful and efficient movement is what comes most naturally and feels the
: most comfortable. (Hmm, how about lying down and falling asleep. :-) ) Of
: course it is under the constrain of aiming to achieve a certain look and feel
: for a dance. Some people have better instincts than others. Often times it is
: hard to find the best body movement. In that case we need to be taught the
: techniques.
: In the case of foot action, sometime

d*e2005-10-27 07:10

39 楼

yes so we need to be reminded of the fact:)
i think footwork is not a huge problem in most cases for most people, but
almost everyone for some reason develops wrong habits in a few particular
places. it's just a matter of knowing them and consciously correcting them. in
general though i don't advocate thinking too much of footwork. it should fall
in place when the body does the right thing.

【在 m******e 的大作中提到】

: I am with you on this. But sometimes when people begin to dance, they forget
: natural movements of their bodies.
:
: this

c*l2005-10-27 07:10

40 楼

your last part needs a normal small brain, which, a lot of ppl dont have, i am
serious

in
fall

【在 d********e 的大作中提到】

: yes so we need to be reminded of the fact:)
: i think footwork is not a huge problem in most cases for most people, but
: almost everyone for some reason develops wrong habits in a few particular
: places. it's just a matter of knowing them and consciously correcting them. in
: general though i don't advocate thinking too much of footwork. it should fall
: in place when the body does the right thing.

m*e2005-10-27 07:10

41 楼

So work on one thing at a time. First get the foot work straight, and then
work
on your body and forget about feet. Or work the other way.

am

【在 c*******l 的大作中提到】

: your last part needs a normal small brain, which, a lot of ppl dont have, i am
: serious
:
: in
: fall

c*l2005-10-27 07:10

42 楼

yeah, first i know all the routine steps, and now I am clearing all the
technical stuff. very hard tho

【在 m******e 的大作中提到】

: So work on one thing at a time. First get the foot work straight, and then
: work
: on your body and forget about feet. Or work the other way.
:
: am

c*l2005-10-27 07:10

43 楼

i will. otherwise, partner is going to kill me

【在 M*****e 的大作中提到】

:
: 步
: ，
: 是
: 不
: 很
: one more point:
: plus push with the front heel

d*e2005-10-27 07:10

44 楼

the old saying if you can walk you can dance.
i never passed any PE test in 16 years of my school life and always thought i
didn't have a good 'small brain'. but i've always walked normal:) and now i
can dance.

am

【在 c*******l 的大作中提到】

: your last part needs a normal small brain, which, a lot of ppl dont have, i am
: serious
:
: in
: fall

c*l2005-10-27 07:10

45 楼

i c. yeah, i never concentrate on standard and now i am getting a penalty,
555
i just want to cry now. I want to pray

i

【在 d********e 的大作中提到】

: the old saying if you can walk you can dance.
: i never passed any PE test in 16 years of my school life and always thought i
: didn't have a good 'small brain'. but i've always walked normal:) and now i
: can dance.
:
: am

d*e2005-10-27 07:10

46 楼

no pain no gain, that's expected so what's to cry for?:) 你破罐破摔吧，放松点
，谁知道其他人的水平如何，没准你算好的呢

【在 c*******l 的大作中提到】

: i c. yeah, i never concentrate on standard and now i am getting a penalty,
: 555
: i just want to cry now. I want to pray
:
: i

c*l2005-10-27 07:10

47 楼

doesnot matterh, main thing is if my partner wont kill me after comp. i am
just too happy

点

【在 d********e 的大作中提到】

: no pain no gain, that's expected so what's to cry for?:) 你破罐破摔吧，放松点
: ，谁知道其他人的水平如何，没准你算好的呢

n*r2005-10-27 07:10

48 楼

Cross your fingers that mightypat isn't reading these exchanges. :-)
Yes, it is hard for one to find the best execution of movement by doing what
he does normally. However, the correct or the best movement, once you attained
it, would feel the most natural and comfortable. Whether you can find and
achieve it by instinct alone or by learning from a better dancer is another
matter.
The most effective practice is to concentrate on one single aspect of a dance
at each session.
I also find it most in

【在 d********e 的大作中提到】

: doing what the body normally would do in an abnormal setting such as a dance
: floor can be difficult. i may be a naturalist in terms of footwork but i'm
: fully aware of the necessity of breaking things into technical pieces to
: produce the desired movement. however, i find that the only way i can absort
: that technical information is if it's given one piece at a time. i'm usually
: lost when the discussion goes like; move muscle a first, muscle b second,
: while keeping muscle c in this position. that's

m*t2005-10-27 07:10

49 楼

too late. i have already read it.
it is perfectly ok not to read all of my posts. lately i have been tryin
g to combined several messages into one single post. (not that my posts
were short before. some were though. i have to say onion's posts are the
shortest, sometimes they only have the word "haha" in it).
as for the waltz technique, i will just have to say one thing. from my e
xperience, i have learned that in latin, you are trying to spend as much
time as possible standing on one leg, while

【在 n********r 的大作中提到】

: Cross your fingers that mightypat isn't reading these exchanges. :-)
: Yes, it is hard for one to find the best execution of movement by doing what
: he does normally. However, the correct or the best movement, once you attained
: it, would feel the most natural and comfortable. Whether you can find and
: achieve it by instinct alone or by learning from a better dancer is another
: matter.
: The most effective practice is to concentrate on one single aspect of a dance
: at each session.
: I also find it most in

c*l2005-10-27 07:10

50 楼

是啊是啊，今天chacha的rocks我的确不能completely transfer weight
不过，感觉还不错

【在 m*******t 的大作中提到】

: too late. i have already read it.
: it is perfectly ok not to read all of my posts. lately i have been tryin
: g to combined several messages into one single post. (not that my posts
: were short before. some were though. i have to say onion's posts are the
: shortest, sometimes they only have the word "haha" in it).
: as for the waltz technique, i will just have to say one thing. from my e
: xperience, i have learned that in latin, you are trying to spend as much
: time as possible standing on one leg, while

c*l2005-10-27 07:10

51 楼

哈哈，shame的对呀。我侧向是懂的，但是rock在left foot的时候，右脚因为
比较弱，以前没有意识来pointing poe,所以这个动作不好
向后rock我以前从没注意过要pointing toe，所以步子大不起来，重心也难
把握。
现在这两个问题我今天很注意，pointing all toes at postion，
感觉步子大很多，重心也很稳。
总之，通过comp进步比较大，哈哈

【在 m*******t 的大作中提到】

n*r2005-10-27 07:10

52 楼

My dear Patty bro, where on earth did you get the notion? I am dumbstruck by
your claim that in standard dance, one should keep more of a split weight on
both feet even when the body is in motion. Give me an example of a figure that
you’d do that? Poses not included --- even there, say, for example, in
throwaway oversway, the weight distribution is more 80-20 than 50-50.

【在 m*******t 的大作中提到】

d*e2005-10-27 07:10

53 楼

yes it's very rare to have split weight at the end of the movement, but there
is during travel, maybe what he meant was that this is not true in latin or in
latin you minimize the split weight time. i'm not sure... shouldn't have
ventured into this discussion:)

that

【在 n********r 的大作中提到】

: My dear Patty bro, where on earth did you get the notion? I am dumbstruck by
: your claim that in standard dance, one should keep more of a split weight on
: both feet even when the body is in motion. Give me an example of a figure that
: you’d do that? Poses not included --- even there, say, for example, in
: throwaway oversway, the weight distribution is more 80-20 than 50-50.