考古了半天，大家说的db developer和一般的programmer有什么# Database - 数据库
H*7
1 楼
好事是好事，不过想搞明白。
一下雨，driveway跟靠街的walkway上密密麻麻全是死蚯蚓，邻居家就很少。
草地上的土也明显是蚯蚓拱过呈小球状
一下雨，driveway跟靠街的walkway上密密麻麻全是死蚯蚓，邻居家就很少。
草地上的土也明显是蚯蚓拱过呈小球状
j*y
2 楼
想入行做DBA，
学了几门DBA Administration的课程
会用c, c#,
看大家都说要从develoer做起。能否具体说说db developer和别的developer的区别吗？
这个也是靠经验吃饭吗？
直接在local的公司找个junior dba的机会不知道怎么样？
一般给不给h1b sponsor呢？
谢谢
学了几门DBA Administration的课程
会用c, c#,
看大家都说要从develoer做起。能否具体说说db developer和别的developer的区别吗？
这个也是靠经验吃饭吗？
直接在local的公司找个junior dba的机会不知道怎么样？
一般给不给h1b sponsor呢？
谢谢
c*p
3 楼
rp好
我家也很多，哈哈
我家也很多，哈哈
j*y
4 楼
有20多位同学在线，没人吱一声吗？
谢谢了
吗？
【在 j******y 的大作中提到】
: 想入行做DBA，
: 学了几门DBA Administration的课程
: 会用c, c#,
: 看大家都说要从develoer做起。能否具体说说db developer和别的developer的区别吗？
: 这个也是靠经验吃饭吗？
: 直接在local的公司找个junior dba的机会不知道怎么样？
: 一般给不给h1b sponsor呢？
: 谢谢
谢谢了
吗？
【在 j******y 的大作中提到】
: 想入行做DBA，
: 学了几门DBA Administration的课程
: 会用c, c#,
: 看大家都说要从develoer做起。能否具体说说db developer和别的developer的区别吗？
: 这个也是靠经验吃饭吗？
: 直接在local的公司找个junior dba的机会不知道怎么样？
: 一般给不给h1b sponsor呢？
: 谢谢
H*7
5 楼
不要唯心，要唯物
【在 c***p 的大作中提到】
: rp好
: 我家也很多，哈哈
【在 c***p 的大作中提到】
: rp好
: 我家也很多，哈哈
i*a
6 楼
"会不知道怎么样" you can try. but it's not very likely. small companies don'
t
need/can't afford dedicated DBA. big companies don't want junior dba.
"一般给不给h1b sponsor呢？" only that company's HR and sky knows...
db developer writes SQL, Reports, designs database application etc. much
easier to find entry level positions than DBA.
吗？
【在 j******y 的大作中提到】
: 想入行做DBA，
: 学了几门DBA Administration的课程
: 会用c, c#,
: 看大家都说要从develoer做起。能否具体说说db developer和别的developer的区别吗？
: 这个也是靠经验吃饭吗？
: 直接在local的公司找个junior dba的机会不知道怎么样？
: 一般给不给h1b sponsor呢？
: 谢谢
t
need/can't afford dedicated DBA. big companies don't want junior dba.
"一般给不给h1b sponsor呢？" only that company's HR and sky knows...
db developer writes SQL, Reports, designs database application etc. much
easier to find entry level positions than DBA.
吗？
【在 j******y 的大作中提到】
: 想入行做DBA，
: 学了几门DBA Administration的课程
: 会用c, c#,
: 看大家都说要从develoer做起。能否具体说说db developer和别的developer的区别吗？
: 这个也是靠经验吃饭吗？
: 直接在local的公司找个junior dba的机会不知道怎么样？
: 一般给不给h1b sponsor呢？
: 谢谢
x*n
7 楼
嗯，也许你草地上蚯蚓繁殖快？还是土壤好吧，BSO贴!
【在 H******7 的大作中提到】
: 不要唯心，要唯物
【在 H******7 的大作中提到】
: 不要唯心，要唯物
j*y
8 楼
You are so nice to answer my questions.
To be a db developer, what books do you recommend? How to gain experience to
get an entry level job?
Could you compare the career path of db developer and programmer? Which is
better for female? How about the job market in China? Is db developer easy
to get a good job in China?
Thanks a lot.
don'
【在 i****a 的大作中提到】
: "会不知道怎么样" you can try. but it's not very likely. small companies don'
: t
: need/can't afford dedicated DBA. big companies don't want junior dba.
: "一般给不给h1b sponsor呢？" only that company's HR and sky knows...
: db developer writes SQL, Reports, designs database application etc. much
: easier to find entry level positions than DBA.
:
: 吗？
To be a db developer, what books do you recommend? How to gain experience to
get an entry level job?
Could you compare the career path of db developer and programmer? Which is
better for female? How about the job market in China? Is db developer easy
to get a good job in China?
Thanks a lot.
don'
【在 i****a 的大作中提到】
: "会不知道怎么样" you can try. but it's not very likely. small companies don'
: t
: need/can't afford dedicated DBA. big companies don't want junior dba.
: "一般给不给h1b sponsor呢？" only that company's HR and sky knows...
: db developer writes SQL, Reports, designs database application etc. much
: easier to find entry level positions than DBA.
:
: 吗？
P*e
9 楼
我也不明白，同问。
前两周后院石头铺的地上每天都有10几只蚯蚓，被蚂蚁围攻。 老老实实呆在草地里多
安全啊，它们爬到石头地上来干什么。
【在 H******7 的大作中提到】
: 好事是好事，不过想搞明白。
: 一下雨，driveway跟靠街的walkway上密密麻麻全是死蚯蚓，邻居家就很少。
: 草地上的土也明显是蚯蚓拱过呈小球状
前两周后院石头铺的地上每天都有10几只蚯蚓，被蚂蚁围攻。 老老实实呆在草地里多
安全啊，它们爬到石头地上来干什么。
【在 H******7 的大作中提到】
: 好事是好事，不过想搞明白。
: 一下雨，driveway跟靠街的walkway上密密麻麻全是死蚯蚓，邻居家就很少。
: 草地上的土也明显是蚯蚓拱过呈小球状
j*y
10 楼
Thanks a lot for your answers. You are really nice.
I have more questions and hope you can help me with them.
To be a db developer, could you recommend some books or courses to start
with? How to get experience by self-study?
What is the difference of career path for db developer and programmer? Which
is better for female? How about the job market of these two positions in
China? Is it easy to get a good db developer job in China?
Thanks again.
don'
【在 i****a 的大作中提到】
: "会不知道怎么样" you can try. but it's not very likely. small companies don'
: t
: need/can't afford dedicated DBA. big companies don't want junior dba.
: "一般给不给h1b sponsor呢？" only that company's HR and sky knows...
: db developer writes SQL, Reports, designs database application etc. much
: easier to find entry level positions than DBA.
:
: 吗？
I have more questions and hope you can help me with them.
To be a db developer, could you recommend some books or courses to start
with? How to get experience by self-study?
What is the difference of career path for db developer and programmer? Which
is better for female? How about the job market of these two positions in
China? Is it easy to get a good db developer job in China?
Thanks again.
don'
【在 i****a 的大作中提到】
: "会不知道怎么样" you can try. but it's not very likely. small companies don'
: t
: need/can't afford dedicated DBA. big companies don't want junior dba.
: "一般给不给h1b sponsor呢？" only that company's HR and sky knows...
: db developer writes SQL, Reports, designs database application etc. much
: easier to find entry level positions than DBA.
:
: 吗？
x*n
11 楼
出门找不到北了，杯具了。
【在 P******e 的大作中提到】
: 我也不明白，同问。
: 前两周后院石头铺的地上每天都有10几只蚯蚓，被蚂蚁围攻。 老老实实呆在草地里多
: 安全啊，它们爬到石头地上来干什么。
【在 P******e 的大作中提到】
: 我也不明白，同问。
: 前两周后院石头铺的地上每天都有10几只蚯蚓，被蚂蚁围攻。 老老实实呆在草地里多
: 安全啊，它们爬到石头地上来干什么。
w*r
12 楼
DBA 的经验从developer那里一样学得到，问题是机会，从哪里做起
人说了小公司不需要dedicated DBA.你做做之后再跳，大公司的DBA
的工作内容太窄，所以也木得多大挑战性，做好本职工作，剩下的时间
做自己感兴趣的事情，当然大公司混不是技术好就成，天天和人开会
占据50%以上的时间
吗？
【在 j******y 的大作中提到】
: 想入行做DBA，
: 学了几门DBA Administration的课程
: 会用c, c#,
: 看大家都说要从develoer做起。能否具体说说db developer和别的developer的区别吗？
: 这个也是靠经验吃饭吗？
: 直接在local的公司找个junior dba的机会不知道怎么样？
: 一般给不给h1b sponsor呢？
: 谢谢
人说了小公司不需要dedicated DBA.你做做之后再跳，大公司的DBA
的工作内容太窄，所以也木得多大挑战性，做好本职工作，剩下的时间
做自己感兴趣的事情，当然大公司混不是技术好就成，天天和人开会
占据50%以上的时间
吗？
【在 j******y 的大作中提到】
: 想入行做DBA，
: 学了几门DBA Administration的课程
: 会用c, c#,
: 看大家都说要从develoer做起。能否具体说说db developer和别的developer的区别吗？
: 这个也是靠经验吃饭吗？
: 直接在local的公司找个junior dba的机会不知道怎么样？
: 一般给不给h1b sponsor呢？
: 谢谢
L*A
13 楼
出来BSO吧。
【在 P******e 的大作中提到】
: 我也不明白，同问。
: 前两周后院石头铺的地上每天都有10几只蚯蚓，被蚂蚁围攻。 老老实实呆在草地里多
: 安全啊，它们爬到石头地上来干什么。
j*y
14 楼
要往dba developer转的话，
有没有好的书推荐学习的？
谢谢
【在 w*r 的大作中提到】
: DBA 的经验从developer那里一样学得到，问题是机会，从哪里做起
: 人说了小公司不需要dedicated DBA.你做做之后再跳，大公司的DBA
: 的工作内容太窄，所以也木得多大挑战性，做好本职工作，剩下的时间
: 做自己感兴趣的事情，当然大公司混不是技术好就成，天天和人开会
: 占据50%以上的时间
:
: 吗？
有没有好的书推荐学习的？
谢谢
【在 w*r 的大作中提到】
: DBA 的经验从developer那里一样学得到，问题是机会，从哪里做起
: 人说了小公司不需要dedicated DBA.你做做之后再跳，大公司的DBA
: 的工作内容太窄，所以也木得多大挑战性，做好本职工作，剩下的时间
: 做自己感兴趣的事情，当然大公司混不是技术好就成，天天和人开会
: 占据50%以上的时间
:
: 吗？
i*h
15 楼
可见随身携带GPS是多么重要啊
【在 x******n 的大作中提到】
: 出门找不到北了，杯具了。
【在 x******n 的大作中提到】
: 出门找不到北了，杯具了。
i*a
16 楼
http://www.w3schools.com/sql/default.asp
http://www.databasejournal.com
and then The definitive resource is microsoft's "books online". It is on
msdn, and it is included with SQL 2005 or 2008 server install.
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms130214.aspx
http://www.databasejournal.com
and then The definitive resource is microsoft's "books online". It is on
msdn, and it is included with SQL 2005 or 2008 server install.
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms130214.aspx
x*n
17 楼
带2个，用一个，收藏一个
【在 i***h 的大作中提到】
: 可见随身携带GPS是多么重要啊
【在 i***h 的大作中提到】
: 可见随身携带GPS是多么重要啊
j*y
18 楼
马甲大侠，
请问一下 db developer和一般的programmer的career path还有工作机会，前途等有很
大差别吗？
【在 i****a 的大作中提到】
: http://www.w3schools.com/sql/default.asp
: http://www.databasejournal.com
: and then The definitive resource is microsoft's "books online". It is on
: msdn, and it is included with SQL 2005 or 2008 server install.
: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms130214.aspx
请问一下 db developer和一般的programmer的career path还有工作机会，前途等有很
大差别吗？
【在 i****a 的大作中提到】
: http://www.w3schools.com/sql/default.asp
: http://www.databasejournal.com
: and then The definitive resource is microsoft's "books online". It is on
: msdn, and it is included with SQL 2005 or 2008 server install.
: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms130214.aspx
B*a
19 楼
唉， 这版上都是有钱人， 狠受打击
【在 x******n 的大作中提到】
: 带2个，用一个，收藏一个
【在 x******n 的大作中提到】
: 带2个，用一个，收藏一个
i*a
20 楼
it's hard to say. it very depends on your own personality and ability
.NET or JAVA programmers get higher salary. But my personal feeling is
those career peak at early 40's, age-wise, and then it'll become harder
and harder to keep up with the new things coming out every couple years.
sql code doesn't change nearly as quick, so it's more likely to see
older db developers still doing very well in the industry today. but MS
SQL Server 2005 and 2008 have some pretty significant upgrades, and new
fe
【在 j******y 的大作中提到】
: 马甲大侠，
: 请问一下 db developer和一般的programmer的career path还有工作机会，前途等有很
: 大差别吗？
.NET or JAVA programmers get higher salary. But my personal feeling is
those career peak at early 40's, age-wise, and then it'll become harder
and harder to keep up with the new things coming out every couple years.
sql code doesn't change nearly as quick, so it's more likely to see
older db developers still doing very well in the industry today. but MS
SQL Server 2005 and 2008 have some pretty significant upgrades, and new
fe
【在 j******y 的大作中提到】
: 马甲大侠，
: 请问一下 db developer和一般的programmer的career path还有工作机会，前途等有很
: 大差别吗？
j*y
21 楼
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
what is the difference between db developer and MS SQL developer? Thanks.
I do not care about the salary a lot. I just want to find a steady career
path, not too tough when I get older. I like to learn new things step by
step without too much pressure.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Is Beijing MM working with oracel database? Hope she can help me with this
question.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
【在 i****a 的大作中提到】
: it's hard to say. it very depends on your own personality and ability
: .NET or JAVA programmers get higher salary. But my personal feeling is
: those career peak at early 40's, age-wise, and then it'll become harder
: and harder to keep up with the new things coming out every couple years.
: sql code doesn't change nearly as quick, so it's more likely to see
: older db developers still doing very well in the industry today. but MS
: SQL Server 2005 and 2008 have some pretty significant upgrades, and new
: fe
w*y
22 楼
只要跟db沾边的都爱要experienced。。。。
j*y
23 楼
那entry level的工作多吗？
另外，db developer有分oracle, sql server吗？还是他们都是相通的，很容易相互转
化？
【在 w***y 的大作中提到】
: 只要跟db沾边的都爱要experienced。。。。
另外，db developer有分oracle, sql server吗？还是他们都是相通的，很容易相互转
化？
【在 w***y 的大作中提到】
: 只要跟db沾边的都爱要experienced。。。。
i*a
24 楼
looks similiar, but can be very different deeper in
Oracle is PL/SQL, MS is T-SQL
【在 j******y 的大作中提到】
: 那entry level的工作多吗？
: 另外，db developer有分oracle, sql server吗？还是他们都是相通的，很容易相互转
: 化？
Oracle is PL/SQL, MS is T-SQL
【在 j******y 的大作中提到】
: 那entry level的工作多吗？
: 另外，db developer有分oracle, sql server吗？还是他们都是相通的，很容易相互转
: 化？
w*r
25 楼
I've seen too many so called DBAs who cannot write a single line of C/C++/
Java code. Most of these people have been staying on their job for very long
time. So, the steady career path in DBA probably means sitting there doing
nothing LOL.....
【在 j******y 的大作中提到】
: 那entry level的工作多吗？
: 另外，db developer有分oracle, sql server吗？还是他们都是相通的，很容易相互转
: 化？
Java code. Most of these people have been staying on their job for very long
time. So, the steady career path in DBA probably means sitting there doing
nothing LOL.....
【在 j******y 的大作中提到】
: 那entry level的工作多吗？
: 另外，db developer有分oracle, sql server吗？还是他们都是相通的，很容易相互转
: 化？
i*a
26 楼
DBA don't need to write C++/Java. It's like C++/Java programmers don't
need to know how to plan for database disaster recovery.
C/C++/
long
doing
【在 w*r 的大作中提到】
: I've seen too many so called DBAs who cannot write a single line of C/C++/
: Java code. Most of these people have been staying on their job for very long
: time. So, the steady career path in DBA probably means sitting there doing
: nothing LOL.....
need to know how to plan for database disaster recovery.
C/C++/
long
doing
【在 w*r 的大作中提到】
: I've seen too many so called DBAs who cannot write a single line of C/C++/
: Java code. Most of these people have been staying on their job for very long
: time. So, the steady career path in DBA probably means sitting there doing
: nothing LOL.....
j*y
27 楼
那entry level的db developer,是学ms sql 好还是oracle好呢？
能比较一下吗？
今天突然有这么多大侠回复，激动呀:)
【在 i****a 的大作中提到】
: looks similiar, but can be very different deeper in
: Oracle is PL/SQL, MS is T-SQL
能比较一下吗？
今天突然有这么多大侠回复，激动呀:)
【在 i****a 的大作中提到】
: looks similiar, but can be very different deeper in
: Oracle is PL/SQL, MS is T-SQL
i*a
28 楼
MS people will tell you 学 MS is better
Oracle people will tell you 学 oracle is better
but generally, MS has more jobs, and should be easier to find entry level
jobs
Oracle pays more, but fewer jobs.
the basics are almost the same. when you get to the stuff that really
differentiate T-SQL and PL/SQL, hopefully you have a feel about what you
want to do.
【在 j******y 的大作中提到】
: 那entry level的db developer,是学ms sql 好还是oracle好呢？
: 能比较一下吗？
: 今天突然有这么多大侠回复，激动呀:)
Oracle people will tell you 学 oracle is better
but generally, MS has more jobs, and should be easier to find entry level
jobs
Oracle pays more, but fewer jobs.
the basics are almost the same. when you get to the stuff that really
differentiate T-SQL and PL/SQL, hopefully you have a feel about what you
want to do.
【在 j******y 的大作中提到】
: 那entry level的db developer,是学ms sql 好还是oracle好呢？
: 能比较一下吗？
: 今天突然有这么多大侠回复，激动呀:)
j*y
29 楼
码了这么多字，谢谢。
sql developer 和 db designer的区别是什么？
sql developer是只要写一些sql的语句就好了吗？从数据库中提取信息什么的吗？和数
据库设计有联系吗？
菜鸟问问题，比较啰嗦：）
【在 i****a 的大作中提到】
: MS people will tell you 学 MS is better
: Oracle people will tell you 学 oracle is better
: but generally, MS has more jobs, and should be easier to find entry level
: jobs
: Oracle pays more, but fewer jobs.
: the basics are almost the same. when you get to the stuff that really
: differentiate T-SQL and PL/SQL, hopefully you have a feel about what you
: want to do.
sql developer 和 db designer的区别是什么？
sql developer是只要写一些sql的语句就好了吗？从数据库中提取信息什么的吗？和数
据库设计有联系吗？
菜鸟问问题，比较啰嗦：）
【在 i****a 的大作中提到】
: MS people will tell you 学 MS is better
: Oracle people will tell you 学 oracle is better
: but generally, MS has more jobs, and should be easier to find entry level
: jobs
: Oracle pays more, but fewer jobs.
: the basics are almost the same. when you get to the stuff that really
: differentiate T-SQL and PL/SQL, hopefully you have a feel about what you
: want to do.
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