M*n
2 楼
看来1月底肯定能用完了。
j*g
3 楼
pd 12/2004
rfe 3/2012
nd 5/2012
nsc
什么都没做过,一路死等,终于等到天亮了,谢谢各位的信息
rfe 3/2012
nd 5/2012
nsc
什么都没做过,一路死等,终于等到天亮了,谢谢各位的信息
s*g
4 楼
一般来说不违反。
c*l
5 楼
OMG
h*w
7 楼
太正常不过的事情了,我做博后时候帮我老板拿过两个R01,IDEA我的,东西我做的,
PROPOSAL我写的,头一个还算是支持我博后时期的工资,后一个是我离开以后FUND的,一
分钱也没有分给我(虽然我是CO-PI)
学生和老板的合同就是学生出力气干活,老板出IDEA出钱,虽然很多时候老板的确连IDEA
都出不了
PROPOSAL我写的,头一个还算是支持我博后时期的工资,后一个是我离开以后FUND的,一
分钱也没有分给我(虽然我是CO-PI)
学生和老板的合同就是学生出力气干活,老板出IDEA出钱,虽然很多时候老板的确连IDEA
都出不了
o2
9 楼
04的?恭喜了
t*y
10 楼
这个学术圈这个多了去了。 很正常。 倒不是说不违法道德, 感觉学术圈TOLERANCE
太大了。 经常什么人渣都有。
太大了。 经常什么人渣都有。
s*G
11 楼
希望我的提交上去了。。。
opt明天就过期了。。。。。。
opt明天就过期了。。。。。。
a*a
12 楼
恭喜!
c*s
14 楼
gx
T*T
15 楼
当然不违反。教授前期投资做preliminary research, 然后投R01, 怎么会违反学术
道德呢?如果这都违反学术道德, 那教授只能自己做实验了。
你离开了,没有必要告诉你,并不是瞒着你。
道德呢?如果这都违反学术道德, 那教授只能自己做实验了。
你离开了,没有必要告诉你,并不是瞒着你。
y*0
16 楼
Cong.
n*g
17 楼
学生的博士论文当然是导师的知识产权
我的前老板用我做的东西,搞专利,开公司,拿NSF房顶,跟我没有一毛钱的关系。
虽然羊毛被剪的干干净净,但没关系,新的羊毛是自己的。
我的前老板用我做的东西,搞专利,开公司,拿NSF房顶,跟我没有一毛钱的关系。
虽然羊毛被剪的干干净净,但没关系,新的羊毛是自己的。
r*f
18 楼
恭喜恭喜!
l*5
20 楼
Big Cong.!
q*g
21 楼
如果学生毕业后到新实验室, 拿着这个课题申请经费,没跟前老板说,算不算违反学
术道德呢?
术道德呢?
z*o
22 楼
gxgx
fa baozi
fa baozi
w*n
24 楼
GONG XI GONGXI
s*e
25 楼
这要是违反学术道德,那PI们要排队去跳楼了。。。
c*6
30 楼
cong!
v*m
31 楼
就是,NIH早该把培养经费从RO1里剥离出来,作为奖学金独立供给学生申请,然后NIH
分别资助的学生奖学金和老板课题经费。他们相互选择,共同完成课题。现在NIH完全
忘记了RO1 中原本包涵培养经费这回事,既不在考评中对学生培养过程打分,也没对老
板设guideline,指导如何培养学生,老板随便招人花钱,培养失败不受任何惩罚,认
真培养也不见奖励。
培养出社会不需要的学生,老板和学校完全是在浪费公众的税金。
【在 a*********8 的大作中提到】
: 没错,而且学生应该自己花钱读degree,idea应该自己想,PI可以consulting给予指导
: ,学生要么给consulting fee,或者同意是共同的工作,这样两清了。
分别资助的学生奖学金和老板课题经费。他们相互选择,共同完成课题。现在NIH完全
忘记了RO1 中原本包涵培养经费这回事,既不在考评中对学生培养过程打分,也没对老
板设guideline,指导如何培养学生,老板随便招人花钱,培养失败不受任何惩罚,认
真培养也不见奖励。
培养出社会不需要的学生,老板和学校完全是在浪费公众的税金。
【在 a*********8 的大作中提到】
: 没错,而且学生应该自己花钱读degree,idea应该自己想,PI可以consulting给予指导
: ,学生要么给consulting fee,或者同意是共同的工作,这样两清了。
d*r
34 楼
GX啊!!!
m*w
35 楼
I am surprised with the comments so far. It seems that nearly everyone
thinks it is acceptable.
Although we often use research results from students as preliminary results
in proposals, one has to be very careful here. We should avoid (or even the
appearance of) stealing students' results. If the professor-student
relationship goes sour, things can become complicated. It is safe if you
cite the joint publications.
In many schools/systems, dissertations are considered as exclusively
students' intellectual output. In fact, both students and advisors have to
sign forms certifying that.
A few years ago, a professor in Canada was sued by his former student for
using his research results in the proposal.
Also a few years ago, I was in a committee reviewing a confidential case
involving two professors and a student's dissertation.
Things can become complicated.
【在 r***e 的大作中提到】
: 学生毕业了,独立了
: 瞒着学生干的
thinks it is acceptable.
Although we often use research results from students as preliminary results
in proposals, one has to be very careful here. We should avoid (or even the
appearance of) stealing students' results. If the professor-student
relationship goes sour, things can become complicated. It is safe if you
cite the joint publications.
In many schools/systems, dissertations are considered as exclusively
students' intellectual output. In fact, both students and advisors have to
sign forms certifying that.
A few years ago, a professor in Canada was sued by his former student for
using his research results in the proposal.
Also a few years ago, I was in a committee reviewing a confidential case
involving two professors and a student's dissertation.
Things can become complicated.
【在 r***e 的大作中提到】
: 学生毕业了,独立了
: 瞒着学生干的
p*y
36 楼
Gxgx!请问,RFE要的是什么?
s*e
37 楼
那pi还怎么写proposal啊?
results
the
【在 m**w 的大作中提到】
: I am surprised with the comments so far. It seems that nearly everyone
: thinks it is acceptable.
: Although we often use research results from students as preliminary results
: in proposals, one has to be very careful here. We should avoid (or even the
: appearance of) stealing students' results. If the professor-student
: relationship goes sour, things can become complicated. It is safe if you
: cite the joint publications.
: In many schools/systems, dissertations are considered as exclusively
: students' intellectual output. In fact, both students and advisors have to
: sign forms certifying that.
results
the
【在 m**w 的大作中提到】
: I am surprised with the comments so far. It seems that nearly everyone
: thinks it is acceptable.
: Although we often use research results from students as preliminary results
: in proposals, one has to be very careful here. We should avoid (or even the
: appearance of) stealing students' results. If the professor-student
: relationship goes sour, things can become complicated. It is safe if you
: cite the joint publications.
: In many schools/systems, dissertations are considered as exclusively
: students' intellectual output. In fact, both students and advisors have to
: sign forms certifying that.
t*4
38 楼
gxgx
c*y
39 楼
results
the
从没在生物圈听过这回事!我的经历是,我做出来的东西,包括idea,全属于老板.还没去
job market,老板已经派了三个postdoc来做我的idea了.对此我无能为力.....
【在 m**w 的大作中提到】
: I am surprised with the comments so far. It seems that nearly everyone
: thinks it is acceptable.
: Although we often use research results from students as preliminary results
: in proposals, one has to be very careful here. We should avoid (or even the
: appearance of) stealing students' results. If the professor-student
: relationship goes sour, things can become complicated. It is safe if you
: cite the joint publications.
: In many schools/systems, dissertations are considered as exclusively
: students' intellectual output. In fact, both students and advisors have to
: sign forms certifying that.
s*o
40 楼
恭喜~
S*2
42 楼
恭喜!
r*0
44 楼
gxgx
c*n
45 楼
恭喜恭喜
m*t
47 楼
gxgx
p*p
48 楼
big cong!
S*y
49 楼
恭喜
t*r
50 楼
恭喜
B*L
51 楼
恭喜!
l*7
52 楼
Con
s*2
53 楼
gxgx
h*n
54 楼
gx
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