2012年9月的Eb2 PD, 现在应该怎么办？# EB23 - 劳工卡
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https://chroniclevitae.com/news/1775-i-found-a-tenure-track-job-here-s-what-
it-took
Max Kirsch over 2 years ago
In those cases in the humanities, social sciences (and the sciences),
without a very well known person advocating for you and willing to make
phone calls, etc., it is almost not worth the effort. The author doesn't say
how much of a role his mentors played, but these days, it has to be major.
This can sometimes be difficult, because even the best=intentioned mentors
experienced their own job searches very differently than our own. In many
cases, they were simply assigned positions when they received their Ph.Ds.
So it is up to the student/job candidate to stay on top of their mentors and
to constantly remind them that without their active participation, the
chances for an interview drop to almost zero. Same with the reputation of
the program. More often than not, if you are not coming for the top say,
five departments you might as well call it a day. I discourage students who
want to go to graduate school. from my institution since their chances of
getting into a top program are slim to none, and it just gets worse up the
line. It becomes an issue not so much of job fit (although obviously that is
important) but of networks, contacts and a bit of luck.
Raymond RITCHIE over 2 years ago
Congratulations and I hope your career goes well. Very interesting reading.
I am also a Plant Scientist. I applied for about 300 academic positions in
my career got interviewed about 6 times and got one 3y contract lectureship
out of it. I did eventually get an academic job but it was in Thailand and
it was by nomination.
The 10% figure is about right for those in biology that eventually get an
academic job.You are also correct that publications are not enough: they
also demand grant history. Nearly all my career I had the publications but
never had any grants and that was a real killer.
As an Australian I always found my citizenship was a real problem. The
Americans were happy to have you as a post-doc but they wanted to rent not
buy and I was never interviewed for a real academic job in the US. There was
no serious intent. I wish someone had told me not to bother. The Canadians
also would take you as a post-doc but by law cannot consider you for an
academic job unless you are a landed immigrant. So you cannot use an
academic job offer to get landed immigrant status and having a post-doc in
Canada does not help with immigration.
it-took
Max Kirsch over 2 years ago
In those cases in the humanities, social sciences (and the sciences),
without a very well known person advocating for you and willing to make
phone calls, etc., it is almost not worth the effort. The author doesn't say
how much of a role his mentors played, but these days, it has to be major.
This can sometimes be difficult, because even the best=intentioned mentors
experienced their own job searches very differently than our own. In many
cases, they were simply assigned positions when they received their Ph.Ds.
So it is up to the student/job candidate to stay on top of their mentors and
to constantly remind them that without their active participation, the
chances for an interview drop to almost zero. Same with the reputation of
the program. More often than not, if you are not coming for the top say,
five departments you might as well call it a day. I discourage students who
want to go to graduate school. from my institution since their chances of
getting into a top program are slim to none, and it just gets worse up the
line. It becomes an issue not so much of job fit (although obviously that is
important) but of networks, contacts and a bit of luck.
Raymond RITCHIE over 2 years ago
Congratulations and I hope your career goes well. Very interesting reading.
I am also a Plant Scientist. I applied for about 300 academic positions in
my career got interviewed about 6 times and got one 3y contract lectureship
out of it. I did eventually get an academic job but it was in Thailand and
it was by nomination.
The 10% figure is about right for those in biology that eventually get an
academic job.You are also correct that publications are not enough: they
also demand grant history. Nearly all my career I had the publications but
never had any grants and that was a real killer.
As an Australian I always found my citizenship was a real problem. The
Americans were happy to have you as a post-doc but they wanted to rent not
buy and I was never interviewed for a real academic job in the US. There was
no serious intent. I wish someone had told me not to bother. The Canadians
also would take you as a post-doc but by law cannot consider you for an
academic job unless you are a landed immigrant. So you cannot use an
academic job offer to get landed immigrant status and having a post-doc in
Canada does not help with immigration.
