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Backdoor Roth: A Complete How-To
by Harry Sit on December 20, 2010 —366 Comments
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[Last updated on July 14, 2014, with new contribution limits and links to
follow-up articles on tax reporting.]
Although I believe a traditional deductible IRA is often better than a Roth
IRA, a Roth IRA is still better than a taxable account if you aren’t
eligible for a deductible contribution to a traditional IRA. When you aren’
t allowed to contribute to a Roth IRA because your income is too high, there
’s still a backdoor. It takes some effort but it’s worth it.
So here it goes: a complete how-to for the Backdoor Roth.

What is the Backdoor Roth?
The Backdoor Roth is an indirect way to contribute to a Roth IRA when you
are not eligible to contribute directly due to high income.
Who should consider the Backdoor Roth?
If your income is “too high” for contributing to a Roth IRA, you should
consider the Backdoor Roth. For 2014, the modified AGI phaseout starts at $
114,000 for single, $181,000 for married filing jointly, and $0 for married
filing separately.
If your income isn’t above those thresholds, stop reading — this article
doesn’t apply to you. Instead, consider a deductible contribution to a
traditional IRA if you qualify for one or contribute to a Roth IRA directly.
Why should someone consider doing the backdoor Roth IRA?
When you have money in a taxable account, you pay taxes on interest and
dividends. When you eventually sell the assets, you also pay taxes on the
capital gains. If you put money in a Roth IRA, you don’t pay those taxes.
Ready? Here it goes:
Step 1 – “Hide” other IRAs
If you don’t have any traditional IRA (say as the result of a rollover from
a previous 401k or 403b), SEP-IRA, or SIMPLE IRA, you are in good shape.
Skip to step 2. If you are married, please note IRAs are owned by one and
only one person. Each spouse should look at his or her IRAs separately.
If you have a traditional IRA, SEP-IRA or SIMPLE IRA, and you don’t mind
paying taxes to convert all of them to a Roth IRA now, also skip to step 2.
When your balances in those IRAs are small, the taxes you will have to pay
when you convert them are also small.
If you have a traditional IRA, SEP-IRA or SIMPLE IRA, but you don’t want to
convert them and pay taxes at a high rate just yet, rollover almost all the
pre-tax money to an employer sponsored retirement plan: 401k, 403b or 457.
Most employer-based plans accept incoming rollovers.
Step 1 -
Everything in the traditional IRA, SEP-IRA, and SIMPLE IRA, except any non-
deductible contributions you made in the past, is pre-tax money. For example
if your traditional IRA has $34,000 in it and you made $10,000 non-
deductible contributions in the past, $24,000 is pre-tax money. Move $24,000
to an employer sponsored plan. If you never made any non-deductible
contributions in the past, all $34,000 is pre-tax money.
If you’ve made non-deductible contributions to your traditional IRA in the
past, a key requirement is that you leave enough money behind in the
traditional IRA — at least equal to your past non-deductible contributions.
Don’t cut it too close. Consider market fluctuations and leave yourself a
small cushion to show that on the day the money goes from your IRAs to your
employer plan, you still have slightly more money in the IRAs than your past
non-deductible contributions.
You are allowed to rollover only pre-tax money from a traditional IRA to an
employer plan because of a special rule. Read more about this special rule
in IRS Publication 590. Look for “Tax treatment of a rollover from a
traditional IRA to an eligible retirement plan other than an IRA” near the
end of page 23.
If your plan doesn’t accept incoming rollovers or if you don’t like your
plan, create some self-employment income and set up a solo 401k plan, also
known as a self-employed 401k plan or individual 401k plan.
House-sitting, dog-walking, tutoring, helping neighbors set up computer
equipment, etc. are all good ways to earn self-employment income. Remember
you don’t have to make a living on it. You just need a little self-
employment income in order to qualify for setting up a solo 401k plan. See
Solo 401k When You Have Self-Employment Income.
Step 2 – Make a non-deductible contribution to a traditional IRA
After Step 1, you either don’t have any traditional IRA, SEP-IRA, or SIMPLE
IRA, or you only have a traditional IRA with non-deductible contributions
in it (maybe plus a bit of earnings). You make a non-deductible contribution
to a traditional IRA. As long as you have earned income, even if your
income is “too high,” you can still make a non-deductible contribution to
a traditional IRA.
Step 2 - Make a non-deductible contribution to a traditional IRA
The maximum contribution for 2014 is $5,500 per person if you are under 50.
$6,500 per person if you are 50 or over.
Step 3 – Wait
The law does not impose any waiting period between a contribution and a
conversion (step 4). However, some are concerned that if you convert too
soon, it can be seen as an abuse.
There is no official guideline for how long you should wait. Some say a few
days; some say 30 days; some say 6 months; some say wait until the next year
. Pick a time you feel comfortable with.
Having the money sit in a traditional IRA for a short period of time is not
going to kill you. The tax on the earnings won’t be much because you won’t
have a lot of earnings.
Step 4 – Convert the traditional IRA to Roth IRA
Ask your IRA provider how to do this. Some can do it online. Some will want
a signed form. There is no income limit for the conversion. Because your
Roth IRA conversion comes primarily from your non-deductible contributions,
there will be very little taxes on the conversion.
Step 4 - Convert the traditional IRA to Roth IRA
Step 1 is necessary because if you didn’t do it, your conversion will be
taxed by the percentage of pretax money in all IRAs (the “pro-rata rule”).
Money in employer sponsored plans doesn’t count in the pro-rata rule.
Step 5 – Report on your tax return
Since you made a non-deductible contribution to a traditional IRA in Step 2,
you will need to include Form 8606 when you file your taxes. It’s a very
simple form. If you use tax software, it will be included automatically if
you answer the questions correctly.
You report on the tax return your non-deductible contribution to a
traditional IRA *for* that year and your converting to Roth *in* that year.
If you contribute for the previous year and then convert, you will have to
report in two separate years. It’s much simpler if you contribute for the
current year and then convert. See Make Backdoor Roth Easy On Your Tax
Return.
If you use TurboTax, see How To Report Backdoor Roth In TurboTax for a step-
by-step guide. Other software follows a similar process.
Here’s an filled-out example of Form 8606. Click on it to see the numbers
on page 2.
Step 6 – Repeat Steps 2 to 5 next year
Step 1 is a one-time task. After it’s completed, you just repeat Steps 2-5
every year.
Most IRA custodians will keep an account open for a year even after the
balance goes to zero. In such case next year you just contribute to the same
empty traditional IRA and convert into your existing Roth IRA. It’s not
necessary to open new accounts.
No Rollover to Traditional IRA
When you are doing the backdoor Roth IRA, remember not to rollover from an
employer-sponsored plan to a traditional IRA in the same year, either before
or after you do the Roth conversion. You can rollover from one plan to
another plan, or to your own solo 401k, just not to a traditional IRA.
Reverse the Order?
Some readers asked about reversing the order: do Step 1 after Step 4 but
before December 31 in the same year. I don’t recommend it, although it
works the same on the tax form.
When you rollover from your traditional, SEP or SIMPLE IRA to a qualified
plan, you are explicitly allowed to pick pre-tax money only. Not so when you
do the conversion; you are not supposed to pick only after-tax money. The
tax forms don’t show exact dates. If you reverse the order, you can
probably get away with it if you are not audited, but I think it’ll be
messier if you must explain to an auditor.
It’s too much trouble. Why don’t they just open the front door and let
everyone contribute directly to a Roth IRA?
If the front door is wide open and everyone can contribute directly to a
Roth IRA, the government will lose too much revenue. The income limit is
imposed to reduce the revenue impact. Only those who know about the backdoor
and are willing to perform the necessary steps can take advantage of the
backdoor Roth IRA. Diligence brings rewards.
Will they close the backdoor?
While anything can happen, I don’t think the backdoor will be closed. The
backdoor exists because the income limit for Roth IRA conversion was removed
. Roth IRA conversion was extended to all income levels because the
government wants revenue from the conversion. If you are afraid the backdoor
will be closed, you should do it now, when the backdoor is still open.
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j*j
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1.还可以继续用学校报联邦税的软件吗?
但是没有收到学校发的软件链接, 是不是毕业了, 就不可以用了?
2.如果有两个W2, 报税的时候是不是把两个W2上的钱加在一起算?
但是寄来的1042表只有一个?
THX
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总会有小孩来找我谈梦想。比如有回招聘个时装编辑,打开门发现来的是一个……很难
用准确的语言描述他。就是一个,你一看就是个男的,但留着波波头,穿着女式带垫肩
泡泡袖的西装,七分裤,尖头高跟鞋,涂着指甲油,画着浓妆……之所以能一眼看出他
是个男的,因为这人长得实在太丑了,没有女的有能力长到这么丑。
我问他:你为什么想当服装编辑?
这人就叭儿叭儿说:我的梦想就是像韩火火那样,平时就是去参加个什么秀啊,出席个
什么活动啊……他是服装编辑吧?
呃……算。
对。这就是我的梦想。
真别说,这位个头不大,梦想不小。你说你一个站着尿尿能尿湿鞋面的主儿,咋就这么
敢想呢?这种骄奢淫逸的生活我也想过啊可我都不好意思跟人说,更不敢冠上“梦想”
这么大的帽子,怕梦遗。

有的时候,我们确实很难把意淫和梦想分开。记得考学那年,和一些学长聊起梦想。学
长问:将来你想干嘛?
我想了想说:这世界所有人每人都只有二十四小时。而如果一个人想成功,其实就是要
剥削别人的时间为自己所用,无形中也就增加了自己的生命。所以,我想当一个能剥削
别人时间的人。
嗯,那年我十八岁。
后来大学毕业,看福赛斯的小说学到一句话——一个无所事事的阔人。
闭起眼睛想了想,觉得这个人生状态好棒啊,于是这便成了我的梦想。后来去时尚面试
,面试官是苏芒,她问的第一个问题便是:你将来想成为什么样的人?
我毫不犹豫地说:当一个无所事事的阔人。
回想起来,她听完头上隐隐出现了三条黑杠。可能当时她心里的想法和我听到那个“服
装编辑”的梦想时一样吧。呃……应该没有尿湿鞋面那段。
越是年轻的时候,越是容易将意淫和梦想混淆起来,我最不靠谱的“梦想”是幼儿园时
,外婆问我:长大后的梦想是什么啊?
我稚嫩地回答:得诺贝尔奖金,再去当警察。
外婆那时候年纪大,已经有点耳背了。听到我的回答,惊讶地用正宗南昌土话反问:哈
?落不了(丢掉了)奖金去当警察?
对,在外婆看来,诺贝尔奖金这种意淫根本就不是梦想,并且将之设定为梦想都是极为
不靠谱的,倒是“落不了奖金去当警察”更像个梦想,虽然听上去这个梦想有点怪怪的。

每每我回想起这些不靠谱的“梦想”,都会反思——怎么当时会有这些乱七八糟的想法
呢?
是因为年少无知?还是浪漫不羁?或者单纯无畏?……
不!都不是。是因为好逸恶劳——所有“梦想”都是惦记着不劳而获或者一夜乍富。这
让我有点后怕起来——咱的青春竟然是从如此可怕的三观中爬过来的。
很多人说,年纪大了,就没有梦想了。但其实,如果就是“落不了奖金”这样,或者“
剥削别人时间”,“无所事事的阔人”这样,又或者“像韩火火那样”……没有就没有
了吧。
去年有个小孩来北京考中戏,然而这孩子啥也不会,就属于班级元旦排节目都不会叫的
那种,却有了一颗向往成为大明星的心。问他为啥想当演员,他说:感觉现在年轻演员
比较容易红,然后片酬都挺高的……吧啦吧啦……
听完,我鼓励了他。必须得让他自己经历这样意淫然后发现自己SB的过程,才是对他的
人生负责。

和年轻人那种莽撞的“梦想”比起来,有些中年人的“梦想”则更加油腻。这种油腻甚
至超出了讨厌的范畴,直接升华到恶心的地步。最常见的就是遇到个四十大几的人,开
着个十来个人的公司,骑着共享单车来跟我说:我要成为中国的乔布斯。
我就特别想说:他已经死了,你也去死啊,梦想就实现了。
我并不是瞧不起他拥有一个伟大的梦想,而是知道,他想成为的那个乔布斯,并不是那
个严于律己的乔布斯,不是那个刻苦勤奋的乔布斯,不是那个殚精极虑的乔布斯……而
仅仅是像乔布斯那样有钱。看着他说到这个时,眼睛放光,鼻子头都冒出油的样子,他
很快就能实现我当初——当无所事事阔人的梦想的一半——无所事事。
所以说,并不是年纪大了便没了梦想,而是作为一个成熟而智商正常的人,已经不再将
意淫当做梦想说出来了。而那些还在继续意淫并将之包装成梦想满世界说的人,也不是
因为还年轻,而是骨子里的惰性已经不可救药地进了脑子,然后幻化成只有自己相信的
美妙人生。
如果说,少年时那些意淫还有些许童真和浪漫的话,中年的意淫则是失败人生的原罪—
—想太多,做太少并不是什么伤天害理的大错。但把意淫当梦想说出来恶心人,就是你
不好了。
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a*y
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不好不坏,半夜做梦生气,想骂人
刚才被雨淋了,还好没有大雨
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r*a
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先判断是resident还是non-resident.

【在 j*****j 的大作中提到】
: 1.还可以继续用学校报联邦税的软件吗?
: 但是没有收到学校发的软件链接, 是不是毕业了, 就不可以用了?
: 2.如果有两个W2, 报税的时候是不是把两个W2上的钱加在一起算?
: 但是寄来的1042表只有一个?
: THX

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w*l
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纯gdp贴

【在 a****y 的大作中提到】
: 不好不坏,半夜做梦生气,想骂人
: 刚才被雨淋了,还好没有大雨

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k*u
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gdp是什么

【在 w*********l 的大作中提到】
: 纯gdp贴
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w*l
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gross domestic product

【在 k*****u 的大作中提到】
: gdp是什么
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k*u
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sigh
我心情很不平稳 都是太尉的错

【在 w*********l 的大作中提到】
: gross domestic product
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w*l
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zkss. 哪里?

【在 k*****u 的大作中提到】
: sigh
: 我心情很不平稳 都是太尉的错

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k*u
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又被人说和你们文情认识
烦死了 文情怎么了啊
我都无语了

【在 w*********l 的大作中提到】
: zkss. 哪里?
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w*l
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... 谁这么无聊

【在 k*****u 的大作中提到】
: 又被人说和你们文情认识
: 烦死了 文情怎么了啊
: 我都无语了

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k*u
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无聊的人真多
sigh

【在 w*********l 的大作中提到】
: ... 谁这么无聊
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a*y
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这是什么贴

【在 w*********l 的大作中提到】
: gross domestic product
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w*l
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也是 纯gdp

【在 a****y 的大作中提到】
: 这是什么贴
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a*y
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呀呀呀,这跟GDP有啥关系呀,,,,,,,

【在 w*********l 的大作中提到】
: 也是 纯gdp
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w*l
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都是量

【在 a****y 的大作中提到】
: 呀呀呀,这跟GDP有啥关系呀,,,,,,,
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q*r
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cmft mm。
有的地方水比较深,所以有些人警惕性比较高,但应该没有恶意。话说开就好了:)

【在 k*****u 的大作中提到】
: 又被人说和你们文情认识
: 烦死了 文情怎么了啊
: 我都无语了

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k*u
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谢谢!

【在 q******r 的大作中提到】
: cmft mm。
: 有的地方水比较深,所以有些人警惕性比较高,但应该没有恶意。话说开就好了:)

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J*i
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想法不要太多

【在 k*****u 的大作中提到】
: 又被人说和你们文情认识
: 烦死了 文情怎么了啊
: 我都无语了

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