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请教大家-要不要PP?# Immigration - 落地生根
H*y
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Speak Like an Administrator
“I write as straight as I can, just as I walk as straight as I can, because
that is the best way to get there.” ~ H.G. Wells
1. Get to your point, quickly
Have you ever heard the following speech?
“I have some suggestions. You might have heard me talking about this. It’s
not completely related, but, it’s similar to what John said, that is, if
we ever want to reach our goal, I’m not saying we aren’t on the right
track, but given what we have been doing, my point is, is it even feasible
to believe that, well, of course everybody may have his own way of judging
our performance, but, realistically, say, if you are an outsider, and you
are asked to assess our progress …”
Okay, maybe not the exact sentences, but you’ve heard something similar,
most likely from lab technicians or staff, who speak with their arms and
hands fumbling around to help express their opinions. This type of indirect
and uncertain speeches is not uncommon in our daily life, but should be
avoided for a PI, especially in formal meetings. It wastes your listeners’
time. It can easily get you redirected to other topics, and you may never
have a second chance to come back and address your original point. In fact,
after all the distractions, you may not even remember what you were going to
say in the first place.
Often, people circle round and round before they get to the point because
they don’t want to offend anybody, or to challenge an existing system. They
move forward a little bit, then immediately back up, or they divert to
something else. They seem to speak complete sentences, but when you examine
the meaning, halfway it’s changed to something else. This kind of verbal
style reflects the speaker’s lack of confidence and compromises his
authority. There is cowardice inside and out.
That’s why we rarely hear such speeches from high-level administrators,
like your dean. Note that this is not to say that we have to speak in an
absolutely straightforward way. For example, when you criticize someone’s
approach, simply saying that “Your solution will help alleviate some of the
concerns, but the major issue remains.” is polite enough. There’s no need
to overly elaborate, “Yes, I could see your point. I guess you are right,
considering the situation, that it would have been nice if we could …”
A competent administrator knows to stick to the subject; otherwise he won’t
get anything done. Sometimes they get carried away briefly, but they always
know to go back to the topic and tie up loose ends. When someone can
control his own thoughts and behaviors, there is a higher chance for him to
control others.
2. Finish your sentences
An even worth habit than not getting to the point is not finishing sentences
. They say the first half of the sentence, they spread out their hands or
shrug their shoulders, and then either move on to the next sentence or add
quickly, “You know what I mean?”, leaving the listeners to fill the blank.
Occasionally, this might be the best strategy to handle a tough situation,
but most of the time, a PI, or a higher educator, should try to talk in
complete structures.
This may particularly be an issue for non-native speakers. Sometimes we have
difficulty finding the right words, and we simply give up, knowing that
people will figure out what we are trying to say. Still, it’s safer to be
explicit. Tell your students what’s not allowed, and what’s expected.
Leave no room for misinterpretations. Some people’s excuse is, “I don’t
want to say something wrong. By being vague, I can make sure that nobody can
use my words to accuse me later.” Well, you are a PI. It’s better to be a
responsible person who makes wrong choices, than to develop a sly
personality.
3. Show that you are educated
I once worked with a vet who was also a high-level admin in the medical
school. Every time there was a meeting involving him, I would fly over to
listen to his speech. His sentences were beautifully constructed, with
sophisticated and accurate word choices. Some of us may say, “That’s too
hard for non-native speakers.” It may not be as hard has you have imagined,
if you consciously work on it.
They key is to think about what you want to say before you open your mouth.
Even for native speakers, when they are pressured to respond fast, they are
less likely to speak well. As non-native speakers, we have all suffered,
when we first came to this country, the embarrassment of not being able to
articulate promptly. As a negative effect, later we tend to err on the other
extreme, which is to respond prematurely, before we have given the question
the thought it deserves. We should learn to take our time. Don’t be afraid
that the listeners may lose their patience. Taking time to plan for what we
are going to say and how we say it does not waste as much their time as
talking on and on without hitting the point. If we observe the conversations
around us, we could find that impatience occurs more often when the speaker
is unable to “shut up”.
Okay, we all agree that content matters. Why do we care about how well it is
narrated? First, it affects how people judge us. For example, right after I
came to this country, my Ph.D. advisor told me, “If you need to contact
researchers in our field, let me look at your email first. People in this
country tend to link grammatical errors to low education, which is really
unfair for foreigners.” Unfair, but that’s the reality. Since then, I’ve
always treated email communication as a serious thing unless I was in a rush
. Second, words have power. “Language is neither innocent nor neutral.
Linguistic habits condition our view of the world and hinder social change.
” (Carmen Martinez Ten)
If you write well, then you have the ability to speak well, by allowing
yourself time to organize your words (and your thoughts) and speak slowly.
4. Avoid rush decisions
The only thing that’s worse than a rush response is a rush decision. Having
been a student and trainee for two decades, we are too eager to please
others, when we should have taken more time, “off line”, to weight the
pros and cons. Unfortunately, the transition from a trainee to a PI is
something that can be learned but cannot be taught. We learn to think
carefully before making any commitment only after multiple lessons. Last
year I always said, “Sure, you can work in my lab.” This year I tended to
say, “Sure, we can talk about it.”
Believe me, in the years ahead, you’ll find that the time spent pondering
on your decisions always pays off.
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w*e
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看了帐单,才发现今年开始,BOA的saving每个月都扣一笔fee,名字是Federal
Withholding
,请问,这是干嘛的?虽然也就几分钱
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C*G
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夫君子之行,静以修身,俭以养德。非澹泊无以明志,非宁静无以致远。夫学须静也,才
须学也,非学无以广才,非志无以成学。淫慢则不能励精,险躁则不能治性。年与时驰
,意与日去,遂成枯落,多不接世,悲守穷庐,将复何及!
又诫子书 诸葛亮
夫酒之设,合理致情,适体归性,礼终而退,此和之至也。主意未殚,宾有余倦,
可以至醉,无致迷乱。
诫外甥书 诸葛亮
夫志当存高远,慕先贤,绝情欲,弃凝滞,使庶几之志,揭然有所存,恻然有所感;忍
屈伸,去细碎,广咨问,除嫌吝,虽有淹留,何损于美趣,何患于不济。若志不强毅,
意不慷慨,徒碌碌滞于俗,默默束于情,永窜伏于凡庸,不免于下流矣!
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l*y
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非常非常感谢大家的祝福和回帖。LD这周要file EB1B了。今天要决定要不要PP。
优点:
1。早点知道结局,省的瞎操心。
2。我们属于NSC,想着e-file到TSC。好像说如果PP的话就没时间转到NSC了。不知道
我这个印象对不对?
缺点:
1。听说PP容易招来RFE。LD的背景一般,不属于大牛之列。
2。好像最近TSC形势也不是很好。不知道这个印象对不对?
打算看回帖的情况决定,如果大部分都觉得PP好,就豁出去了,伸头是一刀,缩头也是
一刀,还不如早点知道结局。如果大家觉得还是不要PP,那就老老实实的等着。
多谢了!!!
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o*e
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好文, 受益匪浅
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C*G
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诫子书 东方朔(汉)
明者处事,莫尚于中,优哉游哉,与道相从。首阳为拙;柳惠为工。饱食安步,在仕
代农。依隐玩世,诡时不逢。是故才尽者身危,好名者得华;有群者累生,孤贵者失和
;遗余者不匮,自尽者无多。圣人之道,一龙一蛇,形见神藏,与物变化,随时之宜,
无有常家。
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r*f
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PP! 我背景也一般,而且申的是EB1-A,刚PP了。

【在 l********y 的大作中提到】
: 非常非常感谢大家的祝福和回帖。LD这周要file EB1B了。今天要决定要不要PP。
: 优点:
: 1。早点知道结局,省的瞎操心。
: 2。我们属于NSC,想着e-file到TSC。好像说如果PP的话就没时间转到NSC了。不知道
: 我这个印象对不对?
: 缺点:
: 1。听说PP容易招来RFE。LD的背景一般,不属于大牛之列。
: 2。好像最近TSC形势也不是很好。不知道这个印象对不对?
: 打算看回帖的情况决定,如果大部分都觉得PP好,就豁出去了,伸头是一刀,缩头也是
: 一刀,还不如早点知道结局。如果大家觉得还是不要PP,那就老老实实的等着。

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x*5
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re

because
’s

【在 H****y 的大作中提到】
: Speak Like an Administrator
: “I write as straight as I can, just as I walk as straight as I can, because
: that is the best way to get there.” ~ H.G. Wells
: 1. Get to your point, quickly
: Have you ever heard the following speech?
: “I have some suggestions. You might have heard me talking about this. It’s
: not completely related, but, it’s similar to what John said, that is, if
: we ever want to reach our goal, I’m not saying we aren’t on the right
: track, but given what we have been doing, my point is, is it even feasible
: to believe that, well, of course everybody may have his own way of judging

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k*e
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如果性子急,不能忍受等待之苦,pp...
RFE 回复在于材料的组织, 其他看运气。。。
两个中心都可以pp,
但是只有TSC 可以e file

【在 l********y 的大作中提到】
: 非常非常感谢大家的祝福和回帖。LD这周要file EB1B了。今天要决定要不要PP。
: 优点:
: 1。早点知道结局,省的瞎操心。
: 2。我们属于NSC,想着e-file到TSC。好像说如果PP的话就没时间转到NSC了。不知道
: 我这个印象对不对?
: 缺点:
: 1。听说PP容易招来RFE。LD的背景一般,不属于大牛之列。
: 2。好像最近TSC形势也不是很好。不知道这个印象对不对?
: 打算看回帖的情况决定,如果大部分都觉得PP好,就豁出去了,伸头是一刀,缩头也是
: 一刀,还不如早点知道结局。如果大家觉得还是不要PP,那就老老实实的等着。

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T*s
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There is something that we could learn from Highly only.

because
’s

【在 H****y 的大作中提到】
: Speak Like an Administrator
: “I write as straight as I can, just as I walk as straight as I can, because
: that is the best way to get there.” ~ H.G. Wells
: 1. Get to your point, quickly
: Have you ever heard the following speech?
: “I have some suggestions. You might have heard me talking about this. It’s
: not completely related, but, it’s similar to what John said, that is, if
: we ever want to reach our goal, I’m not saying we aren’t on the right
: track, but given what we have been doing, my point is, is it even feasible
: to believe that, well, of course everybody may have his own way of judging

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l*y
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性子再急也被这个绿卡磨得不急了。从开始和律师谈,到现在大半年了,还没递上去呢。
我觉得我们只要能批下来,4个月和14天都接受。。关键是害怕花了银子还招来RFE,该
交的材料都交上去了,再补什么呀?想着都发愁。

【在 k**********e 的大作中提到】
: 如果性子急,不能忍受等待之苦,pp...
: RFE 回复在于材料的组织, 其他看运气。。。
: 两个中心都可以pp,
: 但是只有TSC 可以e file

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u*n
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Something that we could only learn from Highly.

【在 T******s 的大作中提到】
: There is something that we could learn from Highly only.
:
: because
: ’s

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k*e
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前面已经讨论了,RFE和pp的关系。。。
如果是我, 就pp....
只要材料组织的好, 只有两种结果:接受或拒绝。。。考古一下前两天的帖子有谈到
。。。得到RFE是因为你得材料组织的不好!

呢。

【在 l********y 的大作中提到】
: 性子再急也被这个绿卡磨得不急了。从开始和律师谈,到现在大半年了,还没递上去呢。
: 我觉得我们只要能批下来,4个月和14天都接受。。关键是害怕花了银子还招来RFE,该
: 交的材料都交上去了,再补什么呀?想着都发愁。

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p*7
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营养贴,赞!

because
’s

【在 H****y 的大作中提到】
: Speak Like an Administrator
: “I write as straight as I can, just as I walk as straight as I can, because
: that is the best way to get there.” ~ H.G. Wells
: 1. Get to your point, quickly
: Have you ever heard the following speech?
: “I have some suggestions. You might have heard me talking about this. It’s
: not completely related, but, it’s similar to what John said, that is, if
: we ever want to reach our goal, I’m not saying we aren’t on the right
: track, but given what we have been doing, my point is, is it even feasible
: to believe that, well, of course everybody may have his own way of judging

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r*l
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pp吧,我觉的最近tsc pp的都很顺利,我估计最近负责pp案子tsc的人可能是个水车。
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b*d
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Let us learn from Highly and become Highly educated.

because
’s

【在 H****y 的大作中提到】
: Speak Like an Administrator
: “I write as straight as I can, just as I walk as straight as I can, because
: that is the best way to get there.” ~ H.G. Wells
: 1. Get to your point, quickly
: Have you ever heard the following speech?
: “I have some suggestions. You might have heard me talking about this. It’s
: not completely related, but, it’s similar to what John said, that is, if
: we ever want to reach our goal, I’m not saying we aren’t on the right
: track, but given what we have been doing, my point is, is it even feasible
: to believe that, well, of course everybody may have his own way of judging

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j*e
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说实话,我觉得TSC现在接到的case太多,除非的确是大牛或是材料组织的极其完美简
洁(这个通常只符合大牛),否则很难不受到RRE。版上很多人说材料太多或组织不好才
导致RFE,但这个太主观,不同的IO看同一个case可能得出完全不同的结论,你认为组
织很好的材料在另一个人看来可能是杂乱无章,毫无头绪。again运气站了很大一部分
如果你不在乎钱并且急于想知道结果,就大胆的PP,材料递交后就开始准备可能的RFE
否则就regular file

呢。

【在 l********y 的大作中提到】
: 性子再急也被这个绿卡磨得不急了。从开始和律师谈,到现在大半年了,还没递上去呢。
: 我觉得我们只要能批下来,4个月和14天都接受。。关键是害怕花了银子还招来RFE,该
: 交的材料都交上去了,再补什么呀?想着都发愁。

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a*r
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Another Highly praised piece from highly.

because
’s

【在 H****y 的大作中提到】
: Speak Like an Administrator
: “I write as straight as I can, just as I walk as straight as I can, because
: that is the best way to get there.” ~ H.G. Wells
: 1. Get to your point, quickly
: Have you ever heard the following speech?
: “I have some suggestions. You might have heard me talking about this. It’s
: not completely related, but, it’s similar to what John said, that is, if
: we ever want to reach our goal, I’m not saying we aren’t on the right
: track, but given what we have been doing, my point is, is it even feasible
: to believe that, well, of course everybody may have his own way of judging

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l*y
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大家说材料组织。我们用学校的律师,马上要递材料了petition letter还没见着呢,
也不知道有多少时间和余地给我们改。以前递NIW也是请了律师,petition letter我们
基本没动,材料装订成什么样子也没见着,糊里糊涂的NIW批了。和各位大牛比起来惭
愧的很,潜水不少,但是功夫下的还是不够。
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w*e
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写得很好,赞
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y*u
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PP,早知道结果比干等着强.
你是申请Eb1b吗? 应该容易过的. 话说回来,如果不是特别着急用卡工作的话,不PP 也
还可以.

【在 l********y 的大作中提到】
: 大家说材料组织。我们用学校的律师,马上要递材料了petition letter还没见着呢,
: 也不知道有多少时间和余地给我们改。以前递NIW也是请了律师,petition letter我们
: 基本没动,材料装订成什么样子也没见着,糊里糊涂的NIW批了。和各位大牛比起来惭
: 愧的很,潜水不少,但是功夫下的还是不够。

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l*y
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工卡倒是不急着用。我们都有H1。
是申请EB1B,不知道有些说法有没有道理,就是NIW批了的话EB1B会容易点?
担心的就是PP招来RFE,到时候要被烦死和愁死了……

【在 y***u 的大作中提到】
: PP,早知道结果比干等着强.
: 你是申请Eb1b吗? 应该容易过的. 话说回来,如果不是特别着急用卡工作的话,不PP 也
: 还可以.

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l*g
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我觉得EB1B还是好一些,PP没问题
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l*y
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谢谢大家的回复。刚才考古,发现EB1B RFE的真的挺多的。有点倾向不PP了。这样这4
个月努力再攒点什么东西。要是PP的话2个星期内什么也拿不出来,顶多补两份推荐信
,大概也没什么用。
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l*y
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thanks a lot for all the reply, we decided to go with PP, let's see how it
goes..keep my fingers crossed, and best luck for everyone!!!
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j*e
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big bless!
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v*g
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绝对PP。 办EB1B 本来就是要快。我的是第三天批的。两星期前递的。本人既非大牛,
组织材料也不能自认完美,两磅多。学校律师认为我的CASE不够STRONG。我是让系主任
签字,自己递的。他说我不是六项全符合,所以不建议EB1(B)。我说只要两项够STRONG
就行,一般CLAIM三项。他说从来没有见过CALIM三项成功的。

【在 l********y 的大作中提到】
: 非常非常感谢大家的祝福和回帖。LD这周要file EB1B了。今天要决定要不要PP。
: 优点:
: 1。早点知道结局,省的瞎操心。
: 2。我们属于NSC,想着e-file到TSC。好像说如果PP的话就没时间转到NSC了。不知道
: 我这个印象对不对?
: 缺点:
: 1。听说PP容易招来RFE。LD的背景一般,不属于大牛之列。
: 2。好像最近TSC形势也不是很好。不知道这个印象对不对?
: 打算看回帖的情况决定,如果大部分都觉得PP好,就豁出去了,伸头是一刀,缩头也是
: 一刀,还不如早点知道结局。如果大家觉得还是不要PP,那就老老实实的等着。

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W*R
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因人而异,自己决定就可以了。
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l*y
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我们学校律师倒是说觉得LD的case还可以,否则他就不建议递。
我们卡的好死,必须HR签字,系主任签字不行。而且必须老板出钱。
据律师说PP并不增加RFE的几率,只好这样相信了。
希望一切都顺利。

STRONG

【在 v*******g 的大作中提到】
: 绝对PP。 办EB1B 本来就是要快。我的是第三天批的。两星期前递的。本人既非大牛,
: 组织材料也不能自认完美,两磅多。学校律师认为我的CASE不够STRONG。我是让系主任
: 签字,自己递的。他说我不是六项全符合,所以不建议EB1(B)。我说只要两项够STRONG
: 就行,一般CLAIM三项。他说从来没有见过CALIM三项成功的。

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v*g
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必须通过学校律师吗?系主任只要同意签字,自己递就可以了。自己付钱没问题。你
说卡得死是谁在订规矩。如果系头说必须通过HR,那就没有办法了。

【在 l********y 的大作中提到】
: 我们学校律师倒是说觉得LD的case还可以,否则他就不建议递。
: 我们卡的好死,必须HR签字,系主任签字不行。而且必须老板出钱。
: 据律师说PP并不增加RFE的几率,只好这样相信了。
: 希望一切都顺利。
:
: STRONG

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l*y
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我们学校的规定啊。办EB1B必须通过HR,系头不签字的。HR又规定必须一大堆。

【在 v*******g 的大作中提到】
: 必须通过学校律师吗?系主任只要同意签字,自己递就可以了。自己付钱没问题。你
: 说卡得死是谁在订规矩。如果系头说必须通过HR,那就没有办法了。

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l*y
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我们学校的规定啊。办EB1B必须通过HR,系头不签字的。HR又规定必须一大堆。

【在 v*******g 的大作中提到】
: 必须通过学校律师吗?系主任只要同意签字,自己递就可以了。自己付钱没问题。你
: 说卡得死是谁在订规矩。如果系头说必须通过HR,那就没有办法了。

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A*r
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请律师的目的就是这样的。请了律师还自己还petition letter,那还请律师做啥子。
呵呵。我要是请了律师,我也不操心。不用惭愧。也不需要功夫。
我一个以前同事,连140和485是什么东西都不知道,反正是学校律师办的。

【在 l********y 的大作中提到】
: 大家说材料组织。我们用学校的律师,马上要递材料了petition letter还没见着呢,
: 也不知道有多少时间和余地给我们改。以前递NIW也是请了律师,petition letter我们
: 基本没动,材料装订成什么样子也没见着,糊里糊涂的NIW批了。和各位大牛比起来惭
: 愧的很,潜水不少,但是功夫下的还是不够。

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l*y
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Thanks AprilSummer, you make my day ^-^
we're going to PP anyway, hope it will be fine....
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g*x
35
good luck on your PP!
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l*y
36
多谢大家的回复。我们决定PP了。表也填好了,不能改了。
希望一切都顺利!!!
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