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i*l
1
去年米国家庭财富平均减少18% (this is fact)
Below are mine..
今年继续减少18-20%
中国童鞋s stand to gain because you guys are still earning and saving
退休人士最惨,估计减少了30%以上
有房人士估计平均财富减少了30%以上,多的应该有50%(比如我老一个同事,三处房产)
没房,三十5,6岁以下,两个人工作的,是最大赢家,财富应该木有大的缩水。
将近四十或者以上的,如果失去工作,那就比较恶心了。
deflation force is still in charge.
conclusion---只要耗过今年不赔钱,这次大局就基本进入收官阶段。中国童鞋胜出,
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K*D
2
Great, seems I beat the average easily ah.
the benefit of being poor, hehe.

产)

【在 i******l 的大作中提到】
: 去年米国家庭财富平均减少18% (this is fact)
: Below are mine..
: 今年继续减少18-20%
: 中国童鞋s stand to gain because you guys are still earning and saving
: 退休人士最惨,估计减少了30%以上
: 有房人士估计平均财富减少了30%以上,多的应该有50%(比如我老一个同事,三处房产)
: 没房,三十5,6岁以下,两个人工作的,是最大赢家,财富应该木有大的缩水。
: 将近四十或者以上的,如果失去工作,那就比较恶心了。
: deflation force is still in charge.
: conclusion---只要耗过今年不赔钱,这次大局就基本进入收官阶段。中国童鞋胜出,

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K*D
3

产)
没房,一个人工作的,工龄3年以下,平均来讲财富应该有提升。

【在 i******l 的大作中提到】
: 去年米国家庭财富平均减少18% (this is fact)
: Below are mine..
: 今年继续减少18-20%
: 中国童鞋s stand to gain because you guys are still earning and saving
: 退休人士最惨,估计减少了30%以上
: 有房人士估计平均财富减少了30%以上,多的应该有50%(比如我老一个同事,三处房产)
: 没房,三十5,6岁以下,两个人工作的,是最大赢家,财富应该木有大的缩水。
: 将近四十或者以上的,如果失去工作,那就比较恶心了。
: deflation force is still in charge.
: conclusion---只要耗过今年不赔钱,这次大局就基本进入收官阶段。中国童鞋胜出,

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i*l
5
所谓年轻就是财富。我老羡慕你们这些年轻人。

【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
:
: 产)
: 没房,一个人工作的,工龄3年以下,平均来讲财富应该有提升。

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b*e
7
年纪大积累多,也是财富啊
不是每一行都像写软件跳艳舞那样吃青春饭的

【在 i******l 的大作中提到】
: 所谓年轻就是财富。我老羡慕你们这些年轻人。
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K*D
8
haha, 也就是说写软件的被雷了还可以去跳艳舞。

【在 b****e 的大作中提到】
: 年纪大积累多,也是财富啊
: 不是每一行都像写软件跳艳舞那样吃青春饭的

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b*e
9
广告上还可以写上
比尔盖茨同行改行跳艳舞

【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: haha, 也就是说写软件的被雷了还可以去跳艳舞。
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S*n
10
Net loss more than $11T? I can't remember the exact number.
Again, Bentanky's "printing" is too slow, too little.

产)

【在 i******l 的大作中提到】
: 去年米国家庭财富平均减少18% (this is fact)
: Below are mine..
: 今年继续减少18-20%
: 中国童鞋s stand to gain because you guys are still earning and saving
: 退休人士最惨,估计减少了30%以上
: 有房人士估计平均财富减少了30%以上,多的应该有50%(比如我老一个同事,三处房产)
: 没房,三十5,6岁以下,两个人工作的,是最大赢家,财富应该木有大的缩水。
: 将近四十或者以上的,如果失去工作,那就比较恶心了。
: deflation force is still in charge.
: conclusion---只要耗过今年不赔钱,这次大局就基本进入收官阶段。中国童鞋胜出,

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u*d
11

产)
So you project the world/US economy will stablize by the end of this year?
For housing market to drop to its long term mean, we still have at least
half way to go. What is your comment?

【在 i******l 的大作中提到】
: 去年米国家庭财富平均减少18% (this is fact)
: Below are mine..
: 今年继续减少18-20%
: 中国童鞋s stand to gain because you guys are still earning and saving
: 退休人士最惨,估计减少了30%以上
: 有房人士估计平均财富减少了30%以上,多的应该有50%(比如我老一个同事,三处房产)
: 没房,三十5,6岁以下,两个人工作的,是最大赢家,财富应该木有大的缩水。
: 将近四十或者以上的,如果失去工作,那就比较恶心了。
: deflation force is still in charge.
: conclusion---只要耗过今年不赔钱,这次大局就基本进入收官阶段。中国童鞋胜出,

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l*n
12
中国童鞋胜出谁啊?小亏对大亏吧?

产)

【在 i******l 的大作中提到】
: 去年米国家庭财富平均减少18% (this is fact)
: Below are mine..
: 今年继续减少18-20%
: 中国童鞋s stand to gain because you guys are still earning and saving
: 退休人士最惨,估计减少了30%以上
: 有房人士估计平均财富减少了30%以上,多的应该有50%(比如我老一个同事,三处房产)
: 没房,三十5,6岁以下,两个人工作的,是最大赢家,财富应该木有大的缩水。
: 将近四十或者以上的,如果失去工作,那就比较恶心了。
: deflation force is still in charge.
: conclusion---只要耗过今年不赔钱,这次大局就基本进入收官阶段。中国童鞋胜出,

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c*e
13
退休人士完蛋对中国童鞋有好处?还不得大伙掏钱养着?

产)

【在 i******l 的大作中提到】
: 去年米国家庭财富平均减少18% (this is fact)
: Below are mine..
: 今年继续减少18-20%
: 中国童鞋s stand to gain because you guys are still earning and saving
: 退休人士最惨,估计减少了30%以上
: 有房人士估计平均财富减少了30%以上,多的应该有50%(比如我老一个同事,三处房产)
: 没房,三十5,6岁以下,两个人工作的,是最大赢家,财富应该木有大的缩水。
: 将近四十或者以上的,如果失去工作,那就比较恶心了。
: deflation force is still in charge.
: conclusion---只要耗过今年不赔钱,这次大局就基本进入收官阶段。中国童鞋胜出,

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h*y
14
I don't ever believe the stupid "wealth loss" number all over the media. Yes
, some babyboomer who is selling the S&P 500 index fund lost 50% of its
value. But at the same time, a young worker like me who just bought the
index fund from him, saved 50% off its original price. The underlying
business is still the same one, and the future cash flow from it will
continue to be the same. The only difference is an ignorant suddenly realize
that we are now in recession, big deal, we always come out of

【在 S******n 的大作中提到】
: Net loss more than $11T? I can't remember the exact number.
: Again, Bentanky's "printing" is too slow, too little.
:
: 产)

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K*D
15
问题是中国童鞋是这样一个人群:当他们面临两种选择的时候:
要么省吃俭用,精心计算,永不破产,同时掏钱养着那些破产的人和机构;
要么破罐子破摔,享乐在今朝,不惜潦倒,能屈能伸,破产之后由政府救济。
他们将毫不犹豫的选择第一种。

【在 c*******e 的大作中提到】
: 退休人士完蛋对中国童鞋有好处?还不得大伙掏钱养着?
:
: 产)

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h*y
16
恭喜, 我用尽了各种财务方法,哪怕是mark-to-fantansy,最后仍然得出结论我去年一年
首次财富降低了. 主要原因是去年开支太多,今年照目前的趋势,也不见少.

【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: 问题是中国童鞋是这样一个人群:当他们面临两种选择的时候:
: 要么省吃俭用,精心计算,永不破产,同时掏钱养着那些破产的人和机构;
: 要么破罐子破摔,享乐在今朝,不惜潦倒,能屈能伸,破产之后由政府救济。
: 他们将毫不犹豫的选择第一种。

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K*D
17
Good point. The only 刺 that I can 挑 is:
For some people, wealth has to be evaluated by the networth ($), because
they tend to possess something only for the reason of showing off or
the potential of appreciation (to sell later).
For example, a well-painted $50k abstract picture hung on the living room
wall may please the eye a little bit. However, in a deep recession where
most people would rather use $50k to put down for a house or pay 5 years
of rent, the benefit of it pleasing the eye is no l

【在 h*******y 的大作中提到】
: I don't ever believe the stupid "wealth loss" number all over the media. Yes
: , some babyboomer who is selling the S&P 500 index fund lost 50% of its
: value. But at the same time, a young worker like me who just bought the
: index fund from him, saved 50% off its original price. The underlying
: business is still the same one, and the future cash flow from it will
: continue to be the same. The only difference is an ignorant suddenly realize
: that we are now in recession, big deal, we always come out of

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o*p
18
We certainly hope the economy will begin to take off next year. But it may
not happen, so we must prepare for the worst.

产)

【在 i******l 的大作中提到】
: 去年米国家庭财富平均减少18% (this is fact)
: Below are mine..
: 今年继续减少18-20%
: 中国童鞋s stand to gain because you guys are still earning and saving
: 退休人士最惨,估计减少了30%以上
: 有房人士估计平均财富减少了30%以上,多的应该有50%(比如我老一个同事,三处房产)
: 没房,三十5,6岁以下,两个人工作的,是最大赢家,财富应该木有大的缩水。
: 将近四十或者以上的,如果失去工作,那就比较恶心了。
: deflation force is still in charge.
: conclusion---只要耗过今年不赔钱,这次大局就基本进入收官阶段。中国童鞋胜出,

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K*D
19
Don't congratulate me. I didn't say I fall in that category, hehe. (I didn't
say I don't fall in that category either though.)
Looks like you and LD haven't worked for more than 10 years on average
yet -- unless you don't like to save money.
A 100% indexer w/o house could easily lose 30+% of total networth
in 2008.

【在 h*******y 的大作中提到】
: 恭喜, 我用尽了各种财务方法,哪怕是mark-to-fantansy,最后仍然得出结论我去年一年
: 首次财富降低了. 主要原因是去年开支太多,今年照目前的趋势,也不见少.

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i*l
20
no, but even if markets continue to go down, the wealth effects will be much
smaller.

【在 u****d 的大作中提到】
:
: 产)
: So you project the world/US economy will stablize by the end of this year?
: For housing market to drop to its long term mean, we still have at least
: half way to go. What is your comment?

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g*g
21
赞分析。I am not worried about hyper-inflation at this point.
I don't see market bottom in 2009.

产)

【在 i******l 的大作中提到】
: 去年米国家庭财富平均减少18% (this is fact)
: Below are mine..
: 今年继续减少18-20%
: 中国童鞋s stand to gain because you guys are still earning and saving
: 退休人士最惨,估计减少了30%以上
: 有房人士估计平均财富减少了30%以上,多的应该有50%(比如我老一个同事,三处房产)
: 没房,三十5,6岁以下,两个人工作的,是最大赢家,财富应该木有大的缩水。
: 将近四十或者以上的,如果失去工作,那就比较恶心了。
: deflation force is still in charge.
: conclusion---只要耗过今年不赔钱,这次大局就基本进入收官阶段。中国童鞋胜出,

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l*n
22
i don't think stock market is a zero-sum game. so as housing market. so don'
t agree with you.

Yes
realize
checked,

【在 h*******y 的大作中提到】
: I don't ever believe the stupid "wealth loss" number all over the media. Yes
: , some babyboomer who is selling the S&P 500 index fund lost 50% of its
: value. But at the same time, a young worker like me who just bought the
: index fund from him, saved 50% off its original price. The underlying
: business is still the same one, and the future cash flow from it will
: continue to be the same. The only difference is an ignorant suddenly realize
: that we are now in recession, big deal, we always come out of

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h*y
23
I'm not saying recession doesn't destroy wealth. I am just saying that the
number is much smaller than what you got by looking at one side of the
market.

don'
,

【在 l******n 的大作中提到】
: i don't think stock market is a zero-sum game. so as housing market. so don'
: t agree with you.
:
: Yes
: realize
: checked,

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B*4
24
没房,三十5,6岁以下,两个人工作的,是最大赢家,财富应该木有大的缩水。
Me, 没房,三十5,6岁, 1个人工作的. I lost 28% of my mutual fund, and totally
I lost about 10% as I also put some money in GIC.
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h*s
25
most people lost money on mutual fund
but generally speaking these people are fine
the only problem is when inflation comes...

totally

【在 B********4 的大作中提到】
: 没房,三十5,6岁以下,两个人工作的,是最大赢家,财富应该木有大的缩水。
: Me, 没房,三十5,6岁, 1个人工作的. I lost 28% of my mutual fund, and totally
: I lost about 10% as I also put some money in GIC.

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x*n
26
我401k的mutual fund腰斩了都认为自己是赢家呢,你损失那么少就
不高兴也太悲观了。

totally

【在 B********4 的大作中提到】
: 没房,三十5,6岁以下,两个人工作的,是最大赢家,财富应该木有大的缩水。
: Me, 没房,三十5,6岁, 1个人工作的. I lost 28% of my mutual fund, and totally
: I lost about 10% as I also put some money in GIC.

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