It just proves that technology is not enough to sustain a good company, and the pipe dream of free open source software will eventually die.
【在 g*****g 的大作中提到】 : Very bad marketing company, but one of the most innovative : technology companies in this generation. : Long live Java.
g*g
9 楼
For the latter, on the contrary, free open source software keeps Java alive. Without Spring, hibernate that led to EJB3, Struts that led to JSF. We are stuck with JSP, Servlet and EJB2.x, and people would have jumped into RoR camp without hesitation.
and
【在 w*****d 的大作中提到】 : It just proves that technology is not enough to sustain a good company, and : the pipe dream of free open source software will eventually die.
w*d
10 楼
Can RoR sustain itself in the long run without eventually charging license fee? Would you company make your proprietary software free to the customers? Can you walk to your boss's desk and tell him that you are willing to work for free because you are having fun and making the world a better place? IMHO, RoR is not as competitive as Java and I would pay for a few hundred dollars for a stable programming language with extensive documentation that I use everyday, instead of betting my career with
【在 g*****g 的大作中提到】 : For the latter, on the contrary, free open source software keeps Java : alive. Without Spring, hibernate that led to EJB3, Struts that led to : JSF. We are stuck with JSP, Servlet and EJB2.x, and people would have jumped : into RoR camp without hesitation. : : and
w*d
11 楼
Yeah, it keeps Java alive, but not Sun, sadly.
jumped
【在 g*****g 的大作中提到】 : For the latter, on the contrary, free open source software keeps Java : alive. Without Spring, hibernate that led to EJB3, Struts that led to : JSF. We are stuck with JSP, Servlet and EJB2.x, and people would have jumped : into RoR camp without hesitation. : : and
s*d
12 楼
is JSF really an improvement over struts? every time i touch it, i found it overly complicated, frail, difficult to debug, and slow in general.
jumped
【在 g*****g 的大作中提到】 : For the latter, on the contrary, free open source software keeps Java : alive. Without Spring, hibernate that led to EJB3, Struts that led to : JSF. We are stuck with JSP, Servlet and EJB2.x, and people would have jumped : into RoR camp without hesitation. : : and
g*g
13 楼
No, JSF sucks. And it needs other framworks like seam just to not suck as much. But it's still an improvement over raw jsp and servlet. All I am saying is struts inspires web frameworks including jsf.
it
【在 s****d 的大作中提到】 : is JSF really an improvement over struts? every time i touch it, i found it : overly complicated, frail, difficult to debug, and slow in general. : : jumped
g*g
14 楼
"open source" and "free" are two concepts. You can develop OSS and charge for delivery, consulting, booking sales, certification, training etc. You can even be open source and charge for licensing.
customers? work that uncertain
【在 w*****d 的大作中提到】 : Can RoR sustain itself in the long run without eventually charging license : fee? Would you company make your proprietary software free to the customers? : Can you walk to your boss's desk and tell him that you are willing to work : for free because you are having fun and making the world a better place? : IMHO, RoR is not as competitive as Java and I would pay for a few hundred : dollars for a stable programming language with extensive documentation that : I use everyday, instead of betting my career with
w*d
15 楼
I think you need to take a look at this article, I never said Sun can't make money on Java and Java-related projects, but not enough to turn a profit. Ask yourself, how much money you spent on Java in the past few years?
g*g
16 楼
And what really Sun has contributed to Java communities in recent years? JSF, most overrated underapplied web framework. EJB3, finally some good immitation of spring and hibernate but we can live without it. JavaFX, would be a good applet 2.0 around 2000, but too little too late now. Sun could have, 1. Focus on what Java is leading, forget JavaFx, that's a market already lost 2. Acquire good java technology when they are first available and make them standards. If Sun acquires spring, hibernate
【在 w*****d 的大作中提到】 : I think you need to take a look at this article, I never said Sun can't make : money on Java and Java-related projects, but not enough to turn a profit. : Ask yourself, how much money you spent on Java in the past few years?
k*r
17 楼
i thought dell and some other companies used them. they never paid?
【在 w*****d 的大作中提到】 : I think you need to take a look at this article, I never said Sun can't make : money on Java and Java-related projects, but not enough to turn a profit. : Ask yourself, how much money you spent on Java in the past few years?
s*d
18 楼
Sun also screwed up big time on applets. if they made applet more like what' s in Java 6up10 when it first came out, we will not be talking about Ajax or even Flash/Flex. but now it's 10 years late and i'm not sure it will ever catch up.
now. them into
【在 g*****g 的大作中提到】 : And what really Sun has contributed to Java communities in recent years? : JSF, most overrated underapplied web framework. : EJB3, finally some good immitation of spring and hibernate but we can live : without it. : JavaFX, would be a good applet 2.0 around 2000, but too little too late now. : Sun could have, : 1. Focus on what Java is leading, forget JavaFx, that's a market already : lost : 2. Acquire good java technology when they are first available and make them : standards. If Sun acquires spring, hibernate