q*j
2 楼
久仰Bosch大名，打算买一个。发现Bosch没有heated dry，只有condensation dry。
Sears的sales说这样的话洗完的碗干了以后会有味道。（如果放一个晚上放干的话。）
当然他可能有promote Kenmore (Elite）的嫌疑。但是还是想搞明白。如果哪位大侠用
过Bosch and Kitchenaid/Kenmore就更好了。先谢过了。
Sears的sales说这样的话洗完的碗干了以后会有味道。（如果放一个晚上放干的话。）
当然他可能有promote Kenmore (Elite）的嫌疑。但是还是想搞明白。如果哪位大侠用
过Bosch and Kitchenaid/Kenmore就更好了。先谢过了。
c*7
3 楼
Instant，包子。
t*s
4 楼
doesn't have this problem on my bosch. i do believe it has heated dry.
it just doesn't give you an option to turn it on or off. i actually
would prefer not having heated dry to save energy.
【在 q**j 的大作中提到】
: 久仰Bosch大名，打算买一个。发现Bosch没有heated dry，只有condensation dry。
: Sears的sales说这样的话洗完的碗干了以后会有味道。（如果放一个晚上放干的话。）
: 当然他可能有promote Kenmore (Elite）的嫌疑。但是还是想搞明白。如果哪位大侠用
: 过Bosch and Kitchenaid/Kenmore就更好了。先谢过了。
it just doesn't give you an option to turn it on or off. i actually
would prefer not having heated dry to save energy.
【在 q**j 的大作中提到】
: 久仰Bosch大名，打算买一个。发现Bosch没有heated dry，只有condensation dry。
: Sears的sales说这样的话洗完的碗干了以后会有味道。（如果放一个晚上放干的话。）
: 当然他可能有promote Kenmore (Elite）的嫌疑。但是还是想搞明白。如果哪位大侠用
: 过Bosch and Kitchenaid/Kenmore就更好了。先谢过了。
q*j
5 楼
牛呀，你真是无处不在，无所不通，（sincere状)。请问你的Bosch的型号是什么的，
用了以后有什么感受呢？我发现一些经济型的dishwasher，比如LG的，压根就没有
drying的功能。大概就是为了省电，省水吧。
【在 t***s 的大作中提到】
: doesn't have this problem on my bosch. i do believe it has heated dry.
: it just doesn't give you an option to turn it on or off. i actually
: would prefer not having heated dry to save energy.
用了以后有什么感受呢？我发现一些经济型的dishwasher，比如LG的，压根就没有
drying的功能。大概就是为了省电，省水吧。
【在 t***s 的大作中提到】
: doesn't have this problem on my bosch. i do believe it has heated dry.
: it just doesn't give you an option to turn it on or off. i actually
: would prefer not having heated dry to save energy.
t*s
6 楼
it's a quite old model. shu53 series. it's probably already 10 years old.
it's actually possible that it doesn't have a heated dry cycle, since its
heating element is not in the tub, but rather underneath the tub and it
heats water by circulating water using a pump to that heater.
but when I open up the dishwasher right after it finishes a normal cycle,
the dishes are quite dry and are very hot, too hot to handle actually.
i have to dig into the manual to see what actually happens.
【在 q**j 的大作中提到】
: 牛呀，你真是无处不在，无所不通，（sincere状)。请问你的Bosch的型号是什么的，
: 用了以后有什么感受呢？我发现一些经济型的dishwasher，比如LG的，压根就没有
: drying的功能。大概就是为了省电，省水吧。
it's actually possible that it doesn't have a heated dry cycle, since its
heating element is not in the tub, but rather underneath the tub and it
heats water by circulating water using a pump to that heater.
but when I open up the dishwasher right after it finishes a normal cycle,
the dishes are quite dry and are very hot, too hot to handle actually.
i have to dig into the manual to see what actually happens.
【在 q**j 的大作中提到】
: 牛呀，你真是无处不在，无所不通，（sincere状)。请问你的Bosch的型号是什么的，
: 用了以后有什么感受呢？我发现一些经济型的dishwasher，比如LG的，压根就没有
: drying的功能。大概就是为了省电，省水吧。
Q*N
7 楼
BOSCH非常好,有HEATED DRYS,洗完后盘子非常热.有非常安静.
g*9
8 楼
I used Bosch SHX98M09UC, I do not think this model have heated drying cycle,
it also does not have hard food disposer.
Maybe other Bosch will have the heated drying cycle. But if you hot water is
very hot (hottest setting on the water heater), the dishes will come out
dry, no problem at all.
For the money, I think Miele and Asko makes better dish washer in this price
range, unless you can get the bosch very cheap.
【在 q**j 的大作中提到】
: 久仰Bosch大名，打算买一个。发现Bosch没有heated dry，只有condensation dry。
: Sears的sales说这样的话洗完的碗干了以后会有味道。（如果放一个晚上放干的话。）
: 当然他可能有promote Kenmore (Elite）的嫌疑。但是还是想搞明白。如果哪位大侠用
: 过Bosch and Kitchenaid/Kenmore就更好了。先谢过了。
it also does not have hard food disposer.
Maybe other Bosch will have the heated drying cycle. But if you hot water is
very hot (hottest setting on the water heater), the dishes will come out
dry, no problem at all.
For the money, I think Miele and Asko makes better dish washer in this price
range, unless you can get the bosch very cheap.
【在 q**j 的大作中提到】
: 久仰Bosch大名，打算买一个。发现Bosch没有heated dry，只有condensation dry。
: Sears的sales说这样的话洗完的碗干了以后会有味道。（如果放一个晚上放干的话。）
: 当然他可能有promote Kenmore (Elite）的嫌疑。但是还是想搞明白。如果哪位大侠用
: 过Bosch and Kitchenaid/Kenmore就更好了。先谢过了。
t*s
9 楼
i believe bosch does heat up the water in the rinse cycle to ~160F, unless
you're using the econ program. so you don't need to set water heater to
very high.
cycle,
is
price
【在 g*****9 的大作中提到】
: I used Bosch SHX98M09UC, I do not think this model have heated drying cycle,
: it also does not have hard food disposer.
: Maybe other Bosch will have the heated drying cycle. But if you hot water is
: very hot (hottest setting on the water heater), the dishes will come out
: dry, no problem at all.
: For the money, I think Miele and Asko makes better dish washer in this price
: range, unless you can get the bosch very cheap.
you're using the econ program. so you don't need to set water heater to
very high.
cycle,
is
price
【在 g*****9 的大作中提到】
: I used Bosch SHX98M09UC, I do not think this model have heated drying cycle,
: it also does not have hard food disposer.
: Maybe other Bosch will have the heated drying cycle. But if you hot water is
: very hot (hottest setting on the water heater), the dishes will come out
: dry, no problem at all.
: For the money, I think Miele and Asko makes better dish washer in this price
: range, unless you can get the bosch very cheap.
q*j
10 楼
You are correct. I just called Bosch。They told me this is what happens. So
they suggest choosing the extra option, which let you wait 10-15 minutes so
that it is not that hot.
also i am kind of concerned about no grinder. How often do you have to clean
food residuals? 有些人说放一晚上拿出来会有味道。
【在 t***s 的大作中提到】
: it's a quite old model. shu53 series. it's probably already 10 years old.
: it's actually possible that it doesn't have a heated dry cycle, since its
: heating element is not in the tub, but rather underneath the tub and it
: heats water by circulating water using a pump to that heater.
: but when I open up the dishwasher right after it finishes a normal cycle,
: the dishes are quite dry and are very hot, too hot to handle actually.
: i have to dig into the manual to see what actually happens.
they suggest choosing the extra option, which let you wait 10-15 minutes so
that it is not that hot.
also i am kind of concerned about no grinder. How often do you have to clean
food residuals? 有些人说放一晚上拿出来会有味道。
【在 t***s 的大作中提到】
: it's a quite old model. shu53 series. it's probably already 10 years old.
: it's actually possible that it doesn't have a heated dry cycle, since its
: heating element is not in the tub, but rather underneath the tub and it
: heats water by circulating water using a pump to that heater.
: but when I open up the dishwasher right after it finishes a normal cycle,
: the dishes are quite dry and are very hot, too hot to handle actually.
: i have to dig into the manual to see what actually happens.
t*s
11 楼
i seldom clean the food residual. but i always remove the residual on
the dishes before putting them into the washer. i never had the problem
of smelly dishes after leaving it inside overnight.
So
so
clean
【在 q**j 的大作中提到】
: You are correct. I just called Bosch。They told me this is what happens. So
: they suggest choosing the extra option, which let you wait 10-15 minutes so
: that it is not that hot.
: also i am kind of concerned about no grinder. How often do you have to clean
: food residuals? 有些人说放一晚上拿出来会有味道。
the dishes before putting them into the washer. i never had the problem
of smelly dishes after leaving it inside overnight.
So
so
clean
【在 q**j 的大作中提到】
: You are correct. I just called Bosch。They told me this is what happens. So
: they suggest choosing the extra option, which let you wait 10-15 minutes so
: that it is not that hot.
: also i am kind of concerned about no grinder. How often do you have to clean
: food residuals? 有些人说放一晚上拿出来会有味道。
q*j
12 楼
便宜的thermador和中高价位的bosch差不多。请问thermador质量和bosch比如何？
h*n
13 楼
thermador是bosch家high end得cooking appliance品牌，洗碗机并不出众
【在 q**j 的大作中提到】
: 便宜的thermador和中高价位的bosch差不多。请问thermador质量和bosch比如何？
【在 q**j 的大作中提到】
: 便宜的thermador和中高价位的bosch差不多。请问thermador质量和bosch比如何？
c*e
14 楼
not a problem, just very slow, takes about 2 hours
【在 q**j 的大作中提到】
: 久仰Bosch大名，打算买一个。发现Bosch没有heated dry，只有condensation dry。
: Sears的sales说这样的话洗完的碗干了以后会有味道。（如果放一个晚上放干的话。）
: 当然他可能有promote Kenmore (Elite）的嫌疑。但是还是想搞明白。如果哪位大侠用
: 过Bosch and Kitchenaid/Kenmore就更好了。先谢过了。
【在 q**j 的大作中提到】
: 久仰Bosch大名，打算买一个。发现Bosch没有heated dry，只有condensation dry。
: Sears的sales说这样的话洗完的碗干了以后会有味道。（如果放一个晚上放干的话。）
: 当然他可能有promote Kenmore (Elite）的嫌疑。但是还是想搞明白。如果哪位大侠用
: 过Bosch and Kitchenaid/Kenmore就更好了。先谢过了。
c*e
15 楼
i use eco setting all the time, the dishes still come out too hot to touch
and the hot water from the tankless is set at 120F, the highest default
temperature we can set without making some adjustments only to be done
by factory
【在 t***s 的大作中提到】
: i believe bosch does heat up the water in the rinse cycle to ~160F, unless
: you're using the econ program. so you don't need to set water heater to
: very high.
:
: cycle,
: is
: price
and the hot water from the tankless is set at 120F, the highest default
temperature we can set without making some adjustments only to be done
by factory
【在 t***s 的大作中提到】
: i believe bosch does heat up the water in the rinse cycle to ~160F, unless
: you're using the econ program. so you don't need to set water heater to
: very high.
:
: cycle,
: is
: price
t*s
16 楼
just checked the manual, in econ program, the "rinse aid" cycle is heated
to 155F, and in regular and scrub programs, the "rinse aid" cycle is
heated to 161F. there is "drying" cycle in all programs, but it doesn't
specify the temp. not sure if it's heated or not.
【在 c*******e 的大作中提到】
: i use eco setting all the time, the dishes still come out too hot to touch
: and the hot water from the tankless is set at 120F, the highest default
: temperature we can set without making some adjustments only to be done
: by factory
to 155F, and in regular and scrub programs, the "rinse aid" cycle is
heated to 161F. there is "drying" cycle in all programs, but it doesn't
specify the temp. not sure if it's heated or not.
【在 c*******e 的大作中提到】
: i use eco setting all the time, the dishes still come out too hot to touch
: and the hot water from the tankless is set at 120F, the highest default
: temperature we can set without making some adjustments only to be done
: by factory
q*j
17 楼
why do you want to turn up the temp of the heater? i remember bosch has a
water heater element and it can heat up the water itself. raising heater's
temp is kind of dangerous and potentially wasteful, i guess.
【在 c*******e 的大作中提到】
: i use eco setting all the time, the dishes still come out too hot to touch
: and the hot water from the tankless is set at 120F, the highest default
: temperature we can set without making some adjustments only to be done
: by factory
water heater element and it can heat up the water itself. raising heater's
temp is kind of dangerous and potentially wasteful, i guess.
【在 c*******e 的大作中提到】
: i use eco setting all the time, the dishes still come out too hot to touch
: and the hot water from the tankless is set at 120F, the highest default
: temperature we can set without making some adjustments only to be done
: by factory
t*s
18 楼
there may be something wrong with your control board. is that
the normal run time indicated in the manual. our bosch was running
very slow and i replaced the control board and now it runs at ~90 min
for regualar and ~70 min for econ.
【在 c*******e 的大作中提到】
: not a problem, just very slow, takes about 2 hours
the normal run time indicated in the manual. our bosch was running
very slow and i replaced the control board and now it runs at ~90 min
for regualar and ~70 min for econ.
【在 c*******e 的大作中提到】
: not a problem, just very slow, takes about 2 hours
q*2
19 楼
Go buy a Miele. It's much better.
g*9
20 楼
You are right. I would recommend Viking, Dacor, Miele or Asko over Bosch
brand dishwasher any day.
【在 q*******2 的大作中提到】
: Go buy a Miele. It's much better.
brand dishwasher any day.
【在 q*******2 的大作中提到】
: Go buy a Miele. It's much better.
q*j
21 楼
这些少见的牌子有这么好吗，都一样洗碗为什么这些就比Bosch值这么多钱呢？我还打
算考虑KitchenAid呢。
算考虑KitchenAid呢。
t*s
22 楼
i would rather get a "2-drawer" dishwasher.
【在 q**j 的大作中提到】
: 这些少见的牌子有这么好吗，都一样洗碗为什么这些就比Bosch值这么多钱呢？我还打
: 算考虑KitchenAid呢。
【在 q**j 的大作中提到】
: 这些少见的牌子有这么好吗，都一样洗碗为什么这些就比Bosch值这么多钱呢？我还打
: 算考虑KitchenAid呢。
h*n
23 楼
viking的灶具，sub zero的冰箱跟普通大众的牌子本来就没可比性
多花这个钱值不值，实在是仁者见仁
【在 q**j 的大作中提到】
: 这些少见的牌子有这么好吗，都一样洗碗为什么这些就比Bosch值这么多钱呢？我还打
: 算考虑KitchenAid呢。
多花这个钱值不值，实在是仁者见仁
【在 q**j 的大作中提到】
: 这些少见的牌子有这么好吗，都一样洗碗为什么这些就比Bosch值这么多钱呢？我还打
: 算考虑KitchenAid呢。
g*9
24 楼
少见的牌子? Viking is most popular brand in kitchen appliance in US (for
nice homes). Dacor is the second most popular US brand for kitchen (I am not
talking about cheap home here). Miele and Asko are both big european that
sells very well in US. Miele makes other major appliance (best european
brand in my opinion) while asko only specialize in wash machine and
dishwasher so they are really good (that is why it deserve to be mentioned
here)
【在 q**j 的大作中提到】
: 这些少见的牌子有这么好吗，都一样洗碗为什么这些就比Bosch值这么多钱呢？我还打
: 算考虑KitchenAid呢。
h*n
25 楼
笑死，most popular high end brand 吧，普通人家有多少用viking的？美国最流行的
欧洲牌子该是bosch吧,miele在英国和澳洲比较流行。有钱人说个何不食肉糜果然轻巧
not
【在 g*****9 的大作中提到】
:
: 少见的牌子? Viking is most popular brand in kitchen appliance in US (for
: nice homes). Dacor is the second most popular US brand for kitchen (I am not
: talking about cheap home here). Miele and Asko are both big european that
: sells very well in US. Miele makes other major appliance (best european
: brand in my opinion) while asko only specialize in wash machine and
: dishwasher so they are really good (that is why it deserve to be mentioned
: here)
欧洲牌子该是bosch吧,miele在英国和澳洲比较流行。有钱人说个何不食肉糜果然轻巧
not
【在 g*****9 的大作中提到】
:
: 少见的牌子? Viking is most popular brand in kitchen appliance in US (for
: nice homes). Dacor is the second most popular US brand for kitchen (I am not
: talking about cheap home here). Miele and Asko are both big european that
: sells very well in US. Miele makes other major appliance (best european
: brand in my opinion) while asko only specialize in wash machine and
: dishwasher so they are really good (that is why it deserve to be mentioned
: here)
q*j
26 楼
来来来，咱们都是学科学的，不盲目的吵。你们看看这个KitchenAid: KUDE70FVSS
http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_02211833000P?keyword=kude70fvss&sLevel=0
这个也是里外不锈钢的，hidden control，噪音41db，power wash，有heated dry
option，想省电可以不选。三层filter。网上的review也很好。那几个牛的有哪个指标
全方位超过这个呢？比一比嘛。
http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_02211833000P?keyword=kude70fvss&sLevel=0
这个也是里外不锈钢的，hidden control，噪音41db，power wash，有heated dry
option，想省电可以不选。三层filter。网上的review也很好。那几个牛的有哪个指标
全方位超过这个呢？比一比嘛。
g*9
27 楼
Don't know where you live, but most of the homes I have been to use Viking,
Decor, Miele or Thermador (part of bosch) brand major appliance. Brands like
GE are only used in cheap rental units here.
But you could be live in not so "nice" part of the country, not that is
anything wrong with it. Just like my kids have never seen a car with a
manual cranking windows in their entire life until they go to China first
time.
Sorry maybe my 普通人 here is different from your 普通人.
【在 h*******n 的大作中提到】
: 笑死，most popular high end brand 吧，普通人家有多少用viking的？美国最流行的
: 欧洲牌子该是bosch吧,miele在英国和澳洲比较流行。有钱人说个何不食肉糜果然轻巧
:
: not
Decor, Miele or Thermador (part of bosch) brand major appliance. Brands like
GE are only used in cheap rental units here.
But you could be live in not so "nice" part of the country, not that is
anything wrong with it. Just like my kids have never seen a car with a
manual cranking windows in their entire life until they go to China first
time.
Sorry maybe my 普通人 here is different from your 普通人.
【在 h*******n 的大作中提到】
: 笑死，most popular high end brand 吧，普通人家有多少用viking的？美国最流行的
: 欧洲牌子该是bosch吧,miele在英国和澳洲比较流行。有钱人说个何不食肉糜果然轻巧
:
: not
g*9
28 楼
This is good, but 里外不锈钢的 is not the look you want for nice kitchen. 里
不锈钢的 is good, 外不锈钢的 is not good, you want it to match your cabinets
.
Also not sure how this will perform after 20 years. Miele or Asko will
continue to work like new, but this I am not so sure kitchenaid will last
this long.
If I had choice to start over again for my own kitchen, I would use miele
for everything. It is proven to be the best and very durable. I have
recently seen a miele oven that is over 50 years old, still
【在 q**j 的大作中提到】
: 来来来，咱们都是学科学的，不盲目的吵。你们看看这个KitchenAid: KUDE70FVSS
: http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_02211833000P?keyword=kude70fvss&sLevel=0
: 这个也是里外不锈钢的，hidden control，噪音41db，power wash，有heated dry
: option，想省电可以不选。三层filter。网上的review也很好。那几个牛的有哪个指标
: 全方位超过这个呢？比一比嘛。
q*j
29 楼
http://www.amazon.com/Miele-G2182SCVi-24in-Inspira-Dishwasher/dp/B0026GXIPK
这个便宜的miele好像还没有kitchenaid贵。我比较倾向kitchenaid是因为我lp喜欢马
力强劲的，有grinder和heated dry。这样省心省事。我比较节省一些，希望有filter
并且把heated dry变optional。这个kitcheaid两个人都可以接受。我知道讲究的
kitchen里面不要前面的不锈钢门露出来，但是我想我不care吧。我的cabinet也不是那
么高档的系列。我买东西就是在中档以上满足我需要的东西里面找一个best bang for
the buck。如果kitchenaid的reliability足够好，并且deliver以上的promise，我就
非常高兴了。
Look at the following reviews:
http://www.amazon.com/Miele-Optima-G2430SCiBL-Console-Dishwasher/dp/B000Y8WPHE/re
这个便宜的miele好像还没有kitchenaid贵。我比较倾向kitchenaid是因为我lp喜欢马
力强劲的，有grinder和heated dry。这样省心省事。我比较节省一些，希望有filter
并且把heated dry变optional。这个kitcheaid两个人都可以接受。我知道讲究的
kitchen里面不要前面的不锈钢门露出来，但是我想我不care吧。我的cabinet也不是那
么高档的系列。我买东西就是在中档以上满足我需要的东西里面找一个best bang for
the buck。如果kitchenaid的reliability足够好，并且deliver以上的promise，我就
非常高兴了。
Look at the following reviews:
http://www.amazon.com/Miele-Optima-G2430SCiBL-Console-Dishwasher/dp/B000Y8WPHE/re
h*n
30 楼
不用跟我科普，我家有这些个牌子的东西。
倒是你，有钱人居然不知道GE monogram
,
like
【在 g*****9 的大作中提到】
: Don't know where you live, but most of the homes I have been to use Viking,
: Decor, Miele or Thermador (part of bosch) brand major appliance. Brands like
: GE are only used in cheap rental units here.
: But you could be live in not so "nice" part of the country, not that is
: anything wrong with it. Just like my kids have never seen a car with a
: manual cranking windows in their entire life until they go to China first
: time.
: Sorry maybe my 普通人 here is different from your 普通人.
倒是你，有钱人居然不知道GE monogram
,
like
【在 g*****9 的大作中提到】
: Don't know where you live, but most of the homes I have been to use Viking,
: Decor, Miele or Thermador (part of bosch) brand major appliance. Brands like
: GE are only used in cheap rental units here.
: But you could be live in not so "nice" part of the country, not that is
: anything wrong with it. Just like my kids have never seen a car with a
: manual cranking windows in their entire life until they go to China first
: time.
: Sorry maybe my 普通人 here is different from your 普通人.
g*9
31 楼
Hey, I am not here to 科普 you, I am here to help and advise OP find a right
dish washer.
I never consider myself 有钱人, I am just average in my area.
【在 h*******n 的大作中提到】
: 不用跟我科普，我家有这些个牌子的东西。
: 倒是你，有钱人居然不知道GE monogram
:
: ,
: like
dish washer.
I never consider myself 有钱人, I am just average in my area.
【在 h*******n 的大作中提到】
: 不用跟我科普，我家有这些个牌子的东西。
: 倒是你，有钱人居然不知道GE monogram
:
: ,
: like
q*j
32 楼
能问问你们在哪个area嘛？我在Bay Area，好像不是很土的地方。
g*9
33 楼
I am in east coast near DC.
【在 q**j 的大作中提到】
: 能问问你们在哪个area嘛？我在Bay Area，好像不是很土的地方。
【在 q**j 的大作中提到】
: 能问问你们在哪个area嘛？我在Bay Area，好像不是很土的地方。
q*j
34 楼
oh, 我还以为你在欧洲呢。谢了。
【在 g*****9 的大作中提到】
: I am in east coast near DC.
【在 g*****9 的大作中提到】
: I am in east coast near DC.
g*9
35 楼
If you both like the kitchenaid, go for it. You can not go wrong with the
largest home appliance maker in the world.
Good luck to you.
【在 q**j 的大作中提到】
: oh, 我还以为你在欧洲呢。谢了。
largest home appliance maker in the world.
Good luck to you.
【在 q**j 的大作中提到】
: oh, 我还以为你在欧洲呢。谢了。
f*u
36 楼
http://www.bosch-home.com/us/SHE5AL06UC.html
We are using this Bosch dishwaher.
Got it on sale at $249 + $50, the build quality is super, and runs
very quiet.
We are using this Bosch dishwaher.
Got it on sale at $249 + $50, the build quality is super, and runs
very quiet.
q*j
37 楼
i know this deal is good, but it is gone now and much more expensive now.
since ascenta series' inside is not all stainless steel and my wife likes
hidden controls, so it is not in our choice set. it should be a good one too
.
since ascenta series' inside is not all stainless steel and my wife likes
hidden controls, so it is not in our choice set. it should be a good one too
.
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