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President Obama plans to push Congress to move quickly in the coming months
on an ambitious overhaul of the immigration system that would include a path
to citizenship for most of the 11 million illegal immigrants in the country
, senior administration officials and lawmakers said last week.
Mr. Obama and Senate Democrats will propose the changes in one comprehensive
bill, the officials said, resisting efforts by some Republicans to break
the overhaul into smaller pieces — separately addressing young illegal
immigrants, migrant farmworkers or highly skilled foreigners — which might
be easier for reluctant members of their party to accept.
The president and Democrats will also oppose measures that do not allow
immigrants who gain legal status to become American citizens one day, the
officials said.
Even while Mr. Obama has been focused on fiscal negotiations and gun control
, overhauling immigration remains a priority for him this year, White House
officials said. Top officials there have been quietly working on a broad
proposal. Mr. Obama and lawmakers from both parties believe that the early
months of his second term offer the best prospects for passing substantial
legislation on the issue.
Mr. Obama is expected to lay out his plan in the coming weeks, perhaps in
his State of the Union address early next month, administration officials
said. The White House will argue that its solution for illegal immigrants is
not an amnesty, as many critics insist, because it would include fines, the
payment of back taxes and other hurdles for illegal immigrants who would
obtain legal status, the officials said.
The president’s plan would also impose nationwide verification of legal
status for all newly hired workers; add visas to relieve backlogs and allow
highly skilled immigrants to stay; and create some form of guest-worker
program to bring in low-wage immigrants in the future.
A bipartisan group of senators has also been meeting to write a
comprehensive bill, with the goal of introducing legislation as early as
March and holding a vote in the Senate before August. As a sign of the keen
interest in starting action on immigration, White House officials and
Democratic leaders in the Senate have been negotiating over which of them
will first introduce a bill, Senate aides said.
“This is so important now to both parties that neither the fiscal cliff nor
guns will get in the way,” said Senator Charles E. Schumer of New York, a
Democrat who is a leader of the bipartisan discussions.
A similar attempt at bipartisan legislation early in Mr. Obama’s first term
collapsed amid political divisions fueled by surging public wrath over
illegal immigration in many states. But both supporters and opponents say
conditions are significantly different now.
Memories of the results of the November election are still fresh here.
Latinos, the nation’s fastest-growing electorate, turned out in record
numbers and cast 71 percent of their ballots for Mr. Obama. Many Latinos
said they were put off by Republicans’ harsh language and policies against
illegal immigrants.
After the election, a host of Republicans, starting with Speaker John A.
Boehner, said it was time for the party to find a more positive, practical
approach to immigration. Many party leaders say electoral demographics are
compelling them to move beyond policies based only on tough enforcement.
Supporters of comprehensive changes say that the elections were nothing less
than a mandate in their favor, and that they are still optimistic that Mr.
Obama is prepared to lead the fight.
“Republicans must demonstrate a reasoned approach to start to rebuild their
relationship with Latino voters,” said Clarissa Martinez de Castro, the
director of immigration policy at the National Council of La Raza, a Latino
organization. “Democrats must demonstrate they can deliver on a promise.”
Since the election, Mr. Obama has repeatedly pledged to act on immigration
this year. In his weekly radio address on Saturday, he again referred to the
urgency of fixing the immigration system, saying it was one of the “
difficult missions” the country must take on.
Parallel to the White House effort, Mr. Schumer and Senator Lindsey Graham
of South Carolina, a Republican, have been meeting with a group of at least
four other colleagues to write a bill. Republicans who have participated
include John McCain of Arizona, who has supported comprehensive legislation
in the past; Jeff Flake, also of Arizona, who is newly elected to the Senate
; and Mike Lee of Utah. Senator Marco Rubio of Florida participated in one
meeting last month.
Democrats in the meetings include Richard J. Durbin of Illinois, the No. 2
Senate Democrat; Robert Menendez of New Jersey and Michael Bennet of
Colorado.
Basic tenets for the bill, Mr. Schumer said, were that it would be
comprehensive and would offer eventual citizenship for illegal immigrants
who follow a prolonged process to correct their status.
“This is a bottom line,” Mr. Schumer said in an interview on Thursday. “
The Democrats have made it clear we will not accept a bill without a direct
path to earned citizenship.” He said senators from both parties had been “
pleasantly surprised” at how rapidly the talks had proceeded.
Mr. Rubio, a Cuban-American who has emerged as a star in his party, is
making immigration one of his primary issues. He has advocated taking
changes in pieces, arguing that lawmakers will get better results if the
politically and practically tangled problems of the immigration system are
handled separately.
Mr. Rubio has been preparing a bill that would provide legal status
specifically for young illegal immigrants, known as Dreamers, who came to
the United States as children.
Mr. Rubio said Thursday that the piecemeal approach was “not a line in the
sand” for him. But he said he would insist that any legalization measure
should not be unfair to immigrants who played by the rules and applied to
become residents through legal channels.
His proposals would allow illegal immigrants to gain temporary status so
that they could remain in the country and work. Then they would be sent to
the back of the line in the existing system to apply to become permanent
residents, without any special path to citizenship.
Mr. Rubio said he hoped to rally Republicans to support changes. Speaking of
Latinos, he said, “We are going to have a struggle speaking to a whole
segment of the population about our principles of limited government and
free enterprise if they think we don’t want them here.”
In the Republican-controlled House, the future of a comprehensive bill
remains unclear.
Representative Phil Gingrey, a Georgia Republican who follows immigration
issues, said he remained opposed to “amnesty of any kind.”
He said that the Obama administration had been lax on enforcement, and that
he would “continue working to secure our borders and enforce existing
immigration law.”
But groups backing the overhaul say they are bigger and better organized
than in the past. Last month, the labor movement, including the A.F.L.-C.I.O
. and other sometimes-warring factions, affirmed a common strategy. Last
week, the U.S. Chamber of Commerce said it would work with labor, Latino and
church organizations to pass the overhaul this year.
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z*t
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如果家里的fernace很旧了,15+ years,homewarranty会修吗,如果修不好,他们会换
一个么?
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D*9
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abstract pelase
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g*g
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Yes, that's what they are supposed to do. They have to keep
it functioning at least.

【在 z***t 的大作中提到】
: 如果家里的fernace很旧了,15+ years,homewarranty会修吗,如果修不好,他们会换
: 一个么?

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s*a
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有用的就这些吧:
The president’s plan would also impose nationwide verification of legal
status for all newly hired workers; add visas to relieve backlogs and allow
highly skilled immigrants to stay; and create some form of guest-worker
program to bring in low-wage immigrants in the future.

months
path
country
comprehensive
might

【在 f*******8 的大作中提到】
: President Obama plans to push Congress to move quickly in the coming months
: on an ambitious overhaul of the immigration system that would include a path
: to citizenship for most of the 11 million illegal immigrants in the country
: , senior administration officials and lawmakers said last week.
: Mr. Obama and Senate Democrats will propose the changes in one comprehensive
: bill, the officials said, resisting efforts by some Republicans to break
: the overhaul into smaller pieces — separately addressing young illegal
: immigrants, migrant farmworkers or highly skilled foreigners — which might
: be easier for reluctant members of their party to accept.
: The president and Democrats will also oppose measures that do not allow

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z*t
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谢谢。那如果房子里的fernace,compressor之类的都非常老的话,比如快20年了,我
每年买warranty,估计不过两三年就break了,要是修不好换新的,那他们岂不是很不
划算。

【在 g*****g 的大作中提到】
: Yes, that's what they are supposed to do. They have to keep
: it functioning at least.

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D*9
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so not bad

allow

【在 s*****a 的大作中提到】
: 有用的就这些吧:
: The president’s plan would also impose nationwide verification of legal
: status for all newly hired workers; add visas to relieve backlogs and allow
: highly skilled immigrants to stay; and create some form of guest-worker
: program to bring in low-wage immigrants in the future.
:
: months
: path
: country
: comprehensive

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c*g
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Can someone recommend a good home warranty company?
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p*j
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这些都是空话吧,让你一直续H1b也是让你stay,同时人家非法移民已经公民了。low-
wage immigrants都来工作了,那么这些大赦的非法移民的工作呢?直接吃福利了不是
吗?那可都是我们的税。

allow

【在 s*****a 的大作中提到】
: 有用的就这些吧:
: The president’s plan would also impose nationwide verification of legal
: status for all newly hired workers; add visas to relieve backlogs and allow
: highly skilled immigrants to stay; and create some form of guest-worker
: program to bring in low-wage immigrants in the future.
:
: months
: path
: country
: comprehensive

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A*Z
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Which home warranty company can cover most of the repares? Thanks.
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n*e
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按八马的玩法,米国迟早要玩完啊!到时候,遍地都是吃福利的,前两天,一哥们儿在
保险公司工作,专门负责统计全美国不交税和吃food stamp的人口分布。这哥们儿经过
几天的辛勤工作后说,以后不要转公民了,留条后路。我问为什么。他说:伤不起啊,
现在美国有一半的人口在吃food stamp(他向我用他儿子发誓说没骗我),而且,根据
预测这个趋势在急剧增加。

months
path
country
comprehensive
might

【在 f*******8 的大作中提到】
: President Obama plans to push Congress to move quickly in the coming months
: on an ambitious overhaul of the immigration system that would include a path
: to citizenship for most of the 11 million illegal immigrants in the country
: , senior administration officials and lawmakers said last week.
: Mr. Obama and Senate Democrats will propose the changes in one comprehensive
: bill, the officials said, resisting efforts by some Republicans to break
: the overhaul into smaller pieces — separately addressing young illegal
: immigrants, migrant farmworkers or highly skilled foreigners — which might
: be easier for reluctant members of their party to accept.
: The president and Democrats will also oppose measures that do not allow

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u*r
12
这个,大家都知道。。
不过,如今这个世界,是大家比谁更烂,而不是比谁更好
每个国家的问题都是一大堆,美国,中国这种大国的问题更是看起来大很多...

【在 n****e 的大作中提到】
: 按八马的玩法,米国迟早要玩完啊!到时候,遍地都是吃福利的,前两天,一哥们儿在
: 保险公司工作,专门负责统计全美国不交税和吃food stamp的人口分布。这哥们儿经过
: 几天的辛勤工作后说,以后不要转公民了,留条后路。我问为什么。他说:伤不起啊,
: 现在美国有一半的人口在吃food stamp(他向我用他儿子发誓说没骗我),而且,根据
: 预测这个趋势在急剧增加。
:
: months
: path
: country
: comprehensive

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n*e
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问题是八马为了自己能当选和民主党继续执政的"一己私利",不是改善,而是在加剧
这种趋势。 11 million的非法移民合法化,甚至公民化,其中敢有一半的来吃福利
,那将是不可想象的。

【在 u*******r 的大作中提到】
: 这个,大家都知道。。
: 不过,如今这个世界,是大家比谁更烂,而不是比谁更好
: 每个国家的问题都是一大堆,美国,中国这种大国的问题更是看起来大很多...

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n*n
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为啥不是有钱人压榨太猛呢?真有人吃食物券上瘾?

【在 n****e 的大作中提到】
: 按八马的玩法,米国迟早要玩完啊!到时候,遍地都是吃福利的,前两天,一哥们儿在
: 保险公司工作,专门负责统计全美国不交税和吃food stamp的人口分布。这哥们儿经过
: 几天的辛勤工作后说,以后不要转公民了,留条后路。我问为什么。他说:伤不起啊,
: 现在美国有一半的人口在吃food stamp(他向我用他儿子发誓说没骗我),而且,根据
: 预测这个趋势在急剧增加。
:
: months
: path
: country
: comprehensive

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n*e
15
挣cash,不报税,然后还能吃food stamp。 这是illigal immgrant合法化后的一般动
作。我要是能不报税,然后吃food stamp,我也干。 所以说,这是体制问题啊。
另外,food stamp是个好东西啊: 除加工过的熟食外,其他肉类、蔬菜等食品都能买
。而且
,food stamp上的金额不足还可以和现金甚至信用卡结合使用。据说还可以借给别人用
,然后拿会打折的现金。真好啊。

【在 n******n 的大作中提到】
: 为啥不是有钱人压榨太猛呢?真有人吃食物券上瘾?
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u*r
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不好说。。。。
你说的那种也是极端。。。。
什么food stamp也没有,这个情况下社会也许就会混乱了。。。
公平和效率是个永恒的难题。。。
人口太多,民族太多,宗教矛盾,种族矛盾,这些问题存在的国家基本都没有办法解决的
你要大家素质都高,都主动努力积极工作,而且大家之间关系都和谐,社会生活水平又
高,经济发展又好,生产力又发达,治安又好,我看只有瑞士了。。。日本本来还可以
,现在经济
就不说了;德国本来也是可以的,但是要一个人拖整个欧盟,我看也够呛;北欧社会主
义,现在也慢慢矛盾越来越多;卡塔尔阿联酋,靠天吃饭。。。

【在 n****e 的大作中提到】
: 挣cash,不报税,然后还能吃food stamp。 这是illigal immgrant合法化后的一般动
: 作。我要是能不报税,然后吃food stamp,我也干。 所以说,这是体制问题啊。
: 另外,food stamp是个好东西啊: 除加工过的熟食外,其他肉类、蔬菜等食品都能买
: 。而且
: ,food stamp上的金额不足还可以和现金甚至信用卡结合使用。据说还可以借给别人用
: ,然后拿会打折的现金。真好啊。

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n*n
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这些人挣的比西装革履坐曼哈顿豪华办公室的人少多了。一次金融危机,银行家吸走纳
税人多少钱?
过去三十年美国普通员工和管理层的收入差距不断拉大。扣除通胀后中产收入基本没增
加,红利都被资本家享用了。医疗教育等刚需费用又飙升。中产比三十年前累多了。纽
约湾区这样的地方,基本都要双职工。

【在 n****e 的大作中提到】
: 挣cash,不报税,然后还能吃food stamp。 这是illigal immgrant合法化后的一般动
: 作。我要是能不报税,然后吃food stamp,我也干。 所以说,这是体制问题啊。
: 另外,food stamp是个好东西啊: 除加工过的熟食外,其他肉类、蔬菜等食品都能买
: 。而且
: ,food stamp上的金额不足还可以和现金甚至信用卡结合使用。据说还可以借给别人用
: ,然后拿会打折的现金。真好啊。

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n*e
18
这个正常,创造不出那么多价值,还要消费那么多,现在只是在回归正常。
中国人都双职工,难道这的中产就不行?
资本家到中国开厂,就是要降低成本多赚钱,很正常啊。

【在 n******n 的大作中提到】
: 这些人挣的比西装革履坐曼哈顿豪华办公室的人少多了。一次金融危机,银行家吸走纳
: 税人多少钱?
: 过去三十年美国普通员工和管理层的收入差距不断拉大。扣除通胀后中产收入基本没增
: 加,红利都被资本家享用了。医疗教育等刚需费用又飙升。中产比三十年前累多了。纽
: 约湾区这样的地方,基本都要双职工。

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n*e
19
可问题在于不遣返还合法化大量的潜在吃福利的,除了脑残(为选票就不说了),想不
出其他理由。

决的

【在 u*******r 的大作中提到】
: 不好说。。。。
: 你说的那种也是极端。。。。
: 什么food stamp也没有,这个情况下社会也许就会混乱了。。。
: 公平和效率是个永恒的难题。。。
: 人口太多,民族太多,宗教矛盾,种族矛盾,这些问题存在的国家基本都没有办法解决的
: 你要大家素质都高,都主动努力积极工作,而且大家之间关系都和谐,社会生活水平又
: 高,经济发展又好,生产力又发达,治安又好,我看只有瑞士了。。。日本本来还可以
: ,现在经济
: 就不说了;德国本来也是可以的,但是要一个人拖整个欧盟,我看也够呛;北欧社会主
: 义,现在也慢慢矛盾越来越多;卡塔尔阿联酋,靠天吃饭。。。

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n*n
20
正常?律师动动嘴皮子,金融家敲敲键盘,高管喷喷PPT,大把银子就揣兜里,这也正
常?

【在 n****e 的大作中提到】
: 这个正常,创造不出那么多价值,还要消费那么多,现在只是在回归正常。
: 中国人都双职工,难道这的中产就不行?
: 资本家到中国开厂,就是要降低成本多赚钱,很正常啊。

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n*n
21
积重难返。你能把这帮人全抓起来送回去?

【在 n****e 的大作中提到】
: 可问题在于不遣返还合法化大量的潜在吃福利的,除了脑残(为选票就不说了),想不
: 出其他理由。
:
: 决的

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n*e
22
那也不该为选票,瞎合法化,然后该解决的合法移民靠边站。

【在 n******n 的大作中提到】
: 积重难返。你能把这帮人全抓起来送回去?
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l*7
23
目前环境和选前唯一的区别就是共和党也算领教老墨们的实力了。
估计也作摸着怎么能妥协,拉拢呢, after all, 对政客而言,quality 不重要,
quantity才是根本。
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