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In California, SCA 5 may be DOA due to Asian Americans against affirmative
action
March 14, 2014 1:06 PM
For a change, there's a movement to restore affirmative action, and not to
end it.
Unfortunately, because of some short-sighted Asian Americans, SCA 5 may die
before it can get to the electorate.
SCA 5 is Senate Constitutional Amendment No. 5, which seeks to overturn
Proposition 209 in California. That was the initiative that won a simple
majority at the ballot in 1996 and ended the use of race in all educational
admissions, public hiring, and public contracting.
Since then, Prop. 209 has been replicated like a bad seed to thwart
affirmative action, but not without legal challenges along the way,
including in Michigan, where its version is now being considered by the U.S.
Supreme Court.
In California, Prop. 209 has survived all challenges at both the state
Supreme Court and at the legislative level. Meanwhile, the state's black,
Latino, and segments of the Asian American and Pacific Islander community,
most notably the Filipino, Southeast Asian, and Pacific Islander groups,
remain woefully underrepresented.
Still, to overturn 209 is practically herculean. Having passed an initiative
process, Prop. 209 became a constitutional amendment. And to overturn that
requires amending the amendment--no small feat.
It hasn't stopped State Senator Edward Hernandez (D-West Covina) from trying
. After three attempts to pass a measure to reverse Prop. 209, his latest,
SCA 5, was approved in the Senate this year.
Now it goes before the State Assembly for a vote, and if it's passed by a
super-majority there, it goes before the voters in a referendum as early as
Nov. 4 this year.
Climbing Mount Everest might be easier.
The political fight to kill it has already begun. Some Asian American groups
against affirmative action have jumped the gun and gone on the offensive,
targeting electeds, including some Asian Americans in both the Senate and
the Assembly in Southern California.
It's a different role for Asian Americans, even in the affirmative action
debate.
Normally, the fight is over ending affirmative action, and Asian Americans
are trotted out by predominantly white anti-affirmative action groups as the
poor "aggrieved victims," as in Texas and Michigan.
In this new California fight to reverse the ending of affirmative action,
some Chinese Americans, most of them new immigrants, have learned their
political role and have been quick to speak out first. And in a state like
California, where Asians are the second largest ethnic minority after
Latinos, politicians who are prone to ignore Asian Americans can't dismiss
such a vocal contingent.
Some public officials reportedly have tempered their support or have begun
to hedge on SCA 5.
On Change.org, over 100,000 signatures have been collected on a petition
drive opposing SCA 5. The comment box shows the standard responses, such as
the perversion of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.'s statement, "I have a dream
that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will
not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their
character."
I doubt Dr. King would have supported Prop. 209. He would have supported SCA
5.
Other comments: "SCA 5 is NOT fair to the student who study and work hard.
What a JOKE!"
And this: "I believe racial preference in college admission is not the right
practice and violates the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth
Amendment. Children who study and work hard should deserve equal opportunity
in college admission regardless of their race and gender."
And this: "Fairness is important! If a kid work harder and get better grade,
no matter what, the kid should have better chance to go to desirable school
!"
With that kind of response, or confusion, some Chinese Americans are already
proclaiming SCA 5 dead.
Well, only if the politics of fear prevail.
While it's admirable to see Asian Americans in the process, a deeper
understanding of what's at stake with 209 beyond one's short-term self
interests is important.
The fact is Prop. 209 was written by two white academics who were trying to
stem the tide of new competition from diverse groups in public education and
employment. All 209 did was preserve the overrepresentation of certain
groups, while making it impossible to do anything to remedy the
underrepresentation of others.
If you can't use race in admissions or hiring, as 209 has shown, it's hard
to adequately address ways to increase the numbers of underrepresented
groups.
Thus, Prop. 209 preserved the status quo. And in some cases, it made things
worse.
Since the passage of Prop. 209 in California, blacks have seen a 49 percent
drop in offers to UC Berkeley, and a 16 percent drop to UCLA.
The Asian American numbers have also dropped. UC Berkeley's offers to Asian
Americans before 209 were up by 75 percent, and by 14 percent after.
But that's just the freshman class.
If Asians are starting to sound like whites in this debate, it's no mistake.
Asian Americans are the most overrepresented among all students in the UC
system. When you look at the overall numbers at all the UCs, ideally, you'd
want a public system to mirror the state's population, wouldn't you?
But look at the numbers:
African Americans, 4 percent in the UC system, 7 percent in the state.
Latinos, 28 percent at UC, 38 percent in the state.
Whites, 24 percent at UC, 39 percent in the state.
American Indians, 1 percent at UC, 2 percent in the state.
Asian Americans, 40 percent at UC, 14 percent in the state.
That's why Prop. 209 needs to be reversed.
The numbers are out-of-whack.
But the perception among the mostly new immigrant community in California is
that race-based policies hurt them, and they adamantly oppose SCA 5.
Some of them are blinded to the fact that as a minority in our democracy,
their interests are best served by working in coalition with African
American, Latino, Native American, and LGBT communities to fight for greater
equity in California's top public entities.
That's real strength in numbers. It's not about fighting to preserve your 40
percent overrepresentation in the UC system.
Ironically, many of the Asian Americans against SCA 5 are in the scientific
community, where they see discrimination based on race or accent every day
at their labs. For them, the remedy has been simple. They have always relied
on working hard, scoring the highest in exams, and displaying their
credentials to prove their worth and become successful.
It's what they know, and it can make sense in some contexts. In a true
meritocracy, maybe it should.
But even they know, it doesn't always work in fighting the racism that
people of color still face in America.
For true equity and fairness, SCA 5 and the repeal of Prop. 209 makes sense
for all.
* * *
Updates at www.amok.com. Follow Emil on Twitter and like his Facebook page.
Posted by:Emil Guillermo
The views expressed in this blog do not necessarily represent the views or
policies of AALDEF.
13 comments
1. Asian Americans, 40 percent at UC, 14 percent in the state. That's why
Prop. 209 needs to be reversed. The numbers are out-of-whack. --------------
---------------------------------------------------- Emil wants Asian
admissions to drop by 75%. He's full of self-hatred.
Posted by: Suk Min | Mar 14, 2014 7:04 PM
2. "When you look at the overall numbers at all the UCs, ideally, you'd want
a public system to mirror the state's population, wouldn't you?" -- So you'
re promoting a quota system regardless of differences in culture and social-
economical status. We will fight against SCA-5 exactly because there are
racists like you.
Posted by: Peig | Mar 14, 2014 7:32 PM
3. "The Asian American numbers have also dropped. UC Berkeley's offers to
Asian Americans before 209 were up by 75 percent, and by 14 percent after."
-- Shame on you, Emil. This is a classic case of misusing statistics for
causal reasoning. Either you just ignore sensible reasoning to advance your
political agenda, or you don't even understand how to interpret stats. "If
Asians are starting to sound like whites in this debate, it's no mistake.
Asian Americans are the most overrepresented among all students in the UC
system. " -- This is ironic. You just said Asian American were hurt by Prop
209, and right after you are saying Asian are overrepresented? Could you
please help me understand what kind of logic is this? "That's real strength
in numbers. It's not about fighting to preserve your 40 percent
overrepresentation in the UC system." -- And you're saying this is because
massive racial discrimination against other races, and massive preferential
treatment to Asian Americans? Gosh....
Posted by: Peig | Mar 14, 2014 7:40 PM
4. Sure, why not punish Asians for what whites did to blacks hundreds of
years ago, and while you are at it, give hispanics, the new majority in
California a free ride, to get a wholesale votes at the expense of Asians.
Let's get those Asians out of UC, and if they donot agree they are
shortsighted. SCA5: Get Asians out because YES WE CAN.
Posted by: connie chen | Mar 16, 2014 1:28 PM
5. Contrary to what Emil writes, individual Asian students are actually
judged by a harsher standard than are non Asians -- amounting for the
equvilant of a 100 point SAT advantage for whites and a 400 point advantage
for blacks and hispanics. It is his dubious notion of racial equality that
looks at raw numbers and not what those numbers represent.
Overrepresentation is not a matter of the numbers of students, but the
number of students who are the nighest achieving. Clearly, if Asians as a
group did not vastly outperform other groups scholastically, the percentages
would indicate invidious discrimination. The record indicates the contrary,
and all Asian parents want is for their children to be judged without
respect to race. The result at the moment would be a higher proportion of
Asian students, not based on invidious discrimination, but based on the
disproportionate high achievement of Asian Students. Smugly attributing the
concerns of Asian parents to fear mongering misses the point, and patronizes
their real concerns that their children will be judged on their own merit,
and not be sacrificed to a Moloch of faux equality. Alas, Asians are the new
Jews, and just as when the Jews began to enter the upper echelons of
education in disproportionate numbers, the dame arguments were made. The
same stratagems were also employed as well: quotas, and holistic processes
which miraculously disproportionately disfavored the higher achieving group.
Rejecting prop 209 does not promote equity or fairness for all. The Asian
parents and students who would be adversely affected see this clearly, and
all the name calling, negative insinuations, and patronizing dismissals will
not change this.
Posted by: bill | Mar 16, 2014 4:12 PM
6. Why do you use the term "ironically" when noting opposition to SCA-5? The
basic meritocracy ( although not perfect) seems to reward those who work
the hardeest and have the most talent. This had the appeal of actually
working and being eminently fair. Race normed quotas have neither virtue.
Posted by: bill | Mar 16, 2014 7:21 PM
7. The premise that racial proportions in the admitted student population
somehow must strictly reflect the racial proportions in the general
population is one which begs the question. There is no argument, except for
one's subjective preference, that these proportions must be the same. What
if the Asian community placed less emphasis on education? What if the Asian
community ignored its youth? What if that resulted in generations of
underperforming Asian students? Could the Asian community then say to the
general public, this is unfair, society is unfair, it is the responsibility
of Californians to reverse this trend by admitting Asian students in favor
of other races?
Posted by: Michael F | Mar 16, 2014 7:41 PM
8. Mr. Guillero, WRONG WRONG WRONG Affirmative Action is defined as to fix a
past wrong. NOT discriminate against an outcome someone does not like.
Answer unequivacally: Do you favor Equality of Opportunity OR Equality of
Outcome. The real crime in California is how poor the public education
system is, and how poorly it serves those children with the greatest need.
SCA 5 does nothing to fix that. Rather it seeks to paint over those crimes
by Potemkin Villiaging college admission. Mr. Guillermo, should you be just
as outraged by these facts: In 2008 $1.1 billion in college athletic
scholarships were granted. 0.1% of this went to Asian student-athletes.
Where's the fairness in that? By my calculations $60M in scholarship money
was taken out of the hands of Asian student-athletes. Is that fair?? Should
we have a NBA or Hollywood affirmative action bill to get more Asians into
these high-paying professions? Mr. Hernandez, does not care one whit about
fairness and creating more opportunity of those in need. He's playing a race
game for his own political gain. Sound familiar? Be outraged by these. Be
embarrassed by the PC robots who voted for the bill only to backtrack when
they actually read it after constituents raised a stink. Think about Mr.
Hernandez's motives, agenda, and intent.
Posted by: tom p | Mar 16, 2014 9:55 PM
9. Why stop at race..... why not religion and sexual orientation? How many
Muslim are represented at UC? Are Jews overrepresented at UC? How about LGBT
people? I don't think so!
Posted by: Kim | Mar 17, 2014 8:04 PM
10. Mr. Guillermo, I am against SCA5 simply because it is not the right
approach. If SCA5 proposes more government funds for K12 education of these
underrepresented ethnic groups and prepare them for college application
competition, I think most opponents I know would not have a problem with
that. If SCA5 proposes more government funds to expand UC system and admit
more students, most opponents I know would not have a problem at all. But
the issue is that current version of SCA5 would give preferential treatment
to certain groups, that is discrimination against other groups. I also do
not like your tone that criticized Chinese American as narrow interested. I
fight for my kids and my kids' future kids. It is my right to protect their
equal education opportunity. I am not ashamed at all. Criticism against
caring parents is despicable, or unbelievable at best. Last but not least,
we are all Americans, regardless of where we are from and our skin color. We
encourage mobility up social ladders. We care about these from
socioeconomically disadvantaged families. We consider family
socialeconomically background in the admission. Don't you think that is a
better criterion than skin color?
Posted by: Robert Wang | Mar 18, 2014 5:50 AM
11. SCA 5 is dead now, and won't be coming back for a while. Why does race
matter so much? How about using hair color or eye color or height or hair
length or something totally irrelevant for college admissions. The
assumption that different races need to be represented equally is totally
wrong; diversity in a college, private or public, should be based on
thinking process and culture, not something stupid like skin color. Some
people are working on a waterproof skin dye, so that it can be applied to
change the skin color of any person. Black people will be able to pose as
whites if they want to. Soon skin color may be as trivial as hair color.
Posted by: alex | Mar 22, 2014 1:34 PM
12. Mr. Emil Guillermo has no idea on his view on SCA5. He is just talking
out of the nonsense of liberal view ... I don't know how he is working for
Asian-Amerian. He does not understand Asian Ameriacan is ethnically
culturally diversed community. He is trying to paint them in one color.
Posted by: Jay Mckim | Apr 20, 2014 6:25 PM
13. Do you think it's fair for put a player over 70 years old on every NBA
sports team for "diversity"? Or put someone an obese person on every elite
track team or Olympic marathon team? Or a double arm amputee on a volleyball
team? All for the sake of so-called "diversity?" I am not a hater of
diversity. I have close friends of every race and religion there is. I am
simply asking for a fair chance for Asians. Because SCA5 is clearly not fair
. How is this promoting "diversity?" I say it's promoting racism. What's
next? Money redistribution to poor black and Hispanic people because rich
Asians have too much? Giving Asians harder tests? Taking points off SAT's
for being Asian? All for the sake of diversity?! Imagine if this was the
LGBT community. Would you condone the same? Would choosing students based on
sexual orientation be thought as "diversity" or hatred? I study hard every
day, so I can get into UC Berkley or UCLA. Please reconsider your views on
SCA5 and not deny my classmates and I a chance to get into a good university
because of our race.
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In California, SCA 5 may be DOA due to Asian Americans against affirmative
action
March 14, 2014 1:06 PM
For a change, there's a movement to restore affirmative action, and not to
end it.
Unfortunately, because of some short-sighted Asian Americans, SCA 5 may die
before it can get to the electorate.
SCA 5 is Senate Constitutional Amendment No. 5, which seeks to overturn
Proposition 209 in California. That was the initiative that won a simple
majority at the ballot in 1996 and ended the use of race in all educational
admissions, public hiring, and public contracting.
Since then, Prop. 209 has been replicated like a bad seed to thwart
affirmative action, but not without legal challenges along the way,
including in Michigan, where its version is now being considered by the U.S.
Supreme Court.
In California, Prop. 209 has survived all challenges at both the state
Supreme Court and at the legislative level. Meanwhile, the state's black,
Latino, and segments of the Asian American and Pacific Islander community,
most notably the Filipino, Southeast Asian, and Pacific Islander groups,
remain woefully underrepresented.
Still, to overturn 209 is practically herculean. Having passed an initiative
process, Prop. 209 became a constitutional amendment. And to overturn that
requires amending the amendment--no small feat.
It hasn't stopped State Senator Edward Hernandez (D-West Covina) from trying
. After three attempts to pass a measure to reverse Prop. 209, his latest,
SCA 5, was approved in the Senate this year.
Now it goes before the State Assembly for a vote, and if it's passed by a
super-majority there, it goes before the voters in a referendum as early as
Nov. 4 this year.
Climbing Mount Everest might be easier.
The political fight to kill it has already begun. Some Asian American groups
against affirmative action have jumped the gun and gone on the offensive,
targeting electeds, including some Asian Americans in both the Senate and
the Assembly in Southern California.
It's a different role for Asian Americans, even in the affirmative action
debate.
Normally, the fight is over ending affirmative action, and Asian Americans
are trotted out by predominantly white anti-affirmative action groups as the
poor "aggrieved victims," as in Texas and Michigan.
In this new California fight to reverse the ending of affirmative action,
some Chinese Americans, most of them new immigrants, have learned their
political role and have been quick to speak out first. And in a state like
California, where Asians are the second largest ethnic minority after
Latinos, politicians who are prone to ignore Asian Americans can't dismiss
such a vocal contingent.
Some public officials reportedly have tempered their support or have begun
to hedge on SCA 5.
On Change.org, over 100,000 signatures have been collected on a petition
drive opposing SCA 5. The comment box shows the standard responses, such as
the perversion of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.'s statement, "I have a dream
that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will
not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their
character."
I doubt Dr. King would have supported Prop. 209. He would have supported SCA
5.
Other comments: "SCA 5 is NOT fair to the student who study and work hard.
What a JOKE!"
And this: "I believe racial preference in college admission is not the right
practice and violates the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth
Amendment. Children who study and work hard should deserve equal opportunity
in college admission regardless of their race and gender."
And this: "Fairness is important! If a kid work harder and get better grade,
no matter what, the kid should have better chance to go to desirable school
!"
With that kind of response, or confusion, some Chinese Americans are already
proclaiming SCA 5 dead.
Well, only if the politics of fear prevail.
While it's admirable to see Asian Americans in the process, a deeper
understanding of what's at stake with 209 beyond one's short-term self
interests is important.
The fact is Prop. 209 was written by two white academics who were trying to
stem the tide of new competition from diverse groups in public education and
employment. All 209 did was preserve the overrepresentation of certain
groups, while making it impossible to do anything to remedy the
underrepresentation of others.
If you can't use race in admissions or hiring, as 209 has shown, it's hard
to adequately address ways to increase the numbers of underrepresented
groups.
Thus, Prop. 209 preserved the status quo. And in some cases, it made things
worse.
Since the passage of Prop. 209 in California, blacks have seen a 49 percent
drop in offers to UC Berkeley, and a 16 percent drop to UCLA.
The Asian American numbers have also dropped. UC Berkeley's offers to Asian
Americans before 209 were up by 75 percent, and by 14 percent after.
But that's just the freshman class.
If Asians are starting to sound like whites in this debate, it's no mistake.
Asian Americans are the most overrepresented among all students in the UC
system. When you look at the overall numbers at all the UCs, ideally, you'd
want a public system to mirror the state's population, wouldn't you?
But look at the numbers:
African Americans, 4 percent in the UC system, 7 percent in the state.
Latinos, 28 percent at UC, 38 percent in the state.
Whites, 24 percent at UC, 39 percent in the state.
American Indians, 1 percent at UC, 2 percent in the state.
Asian Americans, 40 percent at UC, 14 percent in the state.
That's why Prop. 209 needs to be reversed.
The numbers are out-of-whack.
But the perception among the mostly new immigrant community in California is
that race-based policies hurt them, and they adamantly oppose SCA 5.
Some of them are blinded to the fact that as a minority in our democracy,
their interests are best served by working in coalition with African
American, Latino, Native American, and LGBT communities to fight for greater
equity in California's top public entities.
That's real strength in numbers. It's not about fighting to preserve your 40
percent overrepresentation in the UC system.
Ironically, many of the Asian Americans against SCA 5 are in the scientific
community, where they see discrimination based on race or accent every day
at their labs. For them, the remedy has been simple. They have always relied
on working hard, scoring the highest in exams, and displaying their
credentials to prove their worth and become successful.
It's what they know, and it can make sense in some contexts. In a true
meritocracy, maybe it should.
But even they know, it doesn't always work in fighting the racism that
people of color still face in America.
For true equity and fairness, SCA 5 and the repeal of Prop. 209 makes sense
for all.
* * *
Updates at www.amok.com. Follow Emil on Twitter and like his Facebook page.
Posted by:Emil Guillermo
The views expressed in this blog do not necessarily represent the views or
policies of AALDEF.
13 comments
1. Asian Americans, 40 percent at UC, 14 percent in the state. That's why
Prop. 209 needs to be reversed. The numbers are out-of-whack. --------------
---------------------------------------------------- Emil wants Asian
admissions to drop by 75%. He's full of self-hatred.
Posted by: Suk Min | Mar 14, 2014 7:04 PM
2. "When you look at the overall numbers at all the UCs, ideally, you'd want
a public system to mirror the state's population, wouldn't you?" -- So you'
re promoting a quota system regardless of differences in culture and social-
economical status. We will fight against SCA-5 exactly because there are
racists like you.
Posted by: Peig | Mar 14, 2014 7:32 PM
3. "The Asian American numbers have also dropped. UC Berkeley's offers to
Asian Americans before 209 were up by 75 percent, and by 14 percent after."
-- Shame on you, Emil. This is a classic case of misusing statistics for
causal reasoning. Either you just ignore sensible reasoning to advance your
political agenda, or you don't even understand how to interpret stats. "If
Asians are starting to sound like whites in this debate, it's no mistake.
Asian Americans are the most overrepresented among all students in the UC
system. " -- This is ironic. You just said Asian American were hurt by Prop
209, and right after you are saying Asian are overrepresented? Could you
please help me understand what kind of logic is this? "That's real strength
in numbers. It's not about fighting to preserve your 40 percent
overrepresentation in the UC system." -- And you're saying this is because
massive racial discrimination against other races, and massive preferential
treatment to Asian Americans? Gosh....
Posted by: Peig | Mar 14, 2014 7:40 PM
4. Sure, why not punish Asians for what whites did to blacks hundreds of
years ago, and while you are at it, give hispanics, the new majority in
California a free ride, to get a wholesale votes at the expense of Asians.
Let's get those Asians out of UC, and if they donot agree they are
shortsighted. SCA5: Get Asians out because YES WE CAN.
Posted by: connie chen | Mar 16, 2014 1:28 PM
5. Contrary to what Emil writes, individual Asian students are actually
judged by a harsher standard than are non Asians -- amounting for the
equvilant of a 100 point SAT advantage for whites and a 400 point advantage
for blacks and hispanics. It is his dubious notion of racial equality that
looks at raw numbers and not what those numbers represent.
Overrepresentation is not a matter of the numbers of students, but the
number of students who are the nighest achieving. Clearly, if Asians as a
group did not vastly outperform other groups scholastically, the percentages
would indicate invidious discrimination. The record indicates the contrary,
and all Asian parents want is for their children to be judged without
respect to race. The result at the moment would be a higher proportion of
Asian students, not based on invidious discrimination, but based on the
disproportionate high achievement of Asian Students. Smugly attributing the
concerns of Asian parents to fear mongering misses the point, and patronizes
their real concerns that their children will be judged on their own merit,
and not be sacrificed to a Moloch of faux equality. Alas, Asians are the new
Jews, and just as when the Jews began to enter the upper echelons of
education in disproportionate numbers, the dame arguments were made. The
same stratagems were also employed as well: quotas, and holistic processes
which miraculously disproportionately disfavored the higher achieving group.
Rejecting prop 209 does not promote equity or fairness for all. The Asian
parents and students who would be adversely affected see this clearly, and
all the name calling, negative insinuations, and patronizing dismissals will
not change this.
Posted by: bill | Mar 16, 2014 4:12 PM
6. Why do you use the term "ironically" when noting opposition to SCA-5? The
basic meritocracy ( although not perfect) seems to reward those who work
the hardeest and have the most talent. This had the appeal of actually
working and being eminently fair. Race normed quotas have neither virtue.
Posted by: bill | Mar 16, 2014 7:21 PM
7. The premise that racial proportions in the admitted student population
somehow must strictly reflect the racial proportions in the general
population is one which begs the question. There is no argument, except for
one's subjective preference, that these proportions must be the same. What
if the Asian community placed less emphasis on education? What if the Asian
community ignored its youth? What if that resulted in generations of
underperforming Asian students? Could the Asian community then say to the
general public, this is unfair, society is unfair, it is the responsibility
of Californians to reverse this trend by admitting Asian students in favor
of other races?
Posted by: Michael F | Mar 16, 2014 7:41 PM
8. Mr. Guillero, WRONG WRONG WRONG Affirmative Action is defined as to fix a
past wrong. NOT discriminate against an outcome someone does not like.
Answer unequivacally: Do you favor Equality of Opportunity OR Equality of
Outcome. The real crime in California is how poor the public education
system is, and how poorly it serves those children with the greatest need.
SCA 5 does nothing to fix that. Rather it seeks to paint over those crimes
by Potemkin Villiaging college admission. Mr. Guillermo, should you be just
as outraged by these facts: In 2008 $1.1 billion in college athletic
scholarships were granted. 0.1% of this went to Asian student-athletes.
Where's the fairness in that? By my calculations $60M in scholarship money
was taken out of the hands of Asian student-athletes. Is that fair?? Should
we have a NBA or Hollywood affirmative action bill to get more Asians into
these high-paying professions? Mr. Hernandez, does not care one whit about
fairness and creating more opportunity of those in need. He's playing a race
game for his own political gain. Sound familiar? Be outraged by these. Be
embarrassed by the PC robots who voted for the bill only to backtrack when
they actually read it after constituents raised a stink. Think about Mr.
Hernandez's motives, agenda, and intent.
Posted by: tom p | Mar 16, 2014 9:55 PM
9. Why stop at race..... why not religion and sexual orientation? How many
Muslim are represented at UC? Are Jews overrepresented at UC? How about LGBT
people? I don't think so!
Posted by: Kim | Mar 17, 2014 8:04 PM
10. Mr. Guillermo, I am against SCA5 simply because it is not the right
approach. If SCA5 proposes more government funds for K12 education of these
underrepresented ethnic groups and prepare them for college application
competition, I think most opponents I know would not have a problem with
that. If SCA5 proposes more government funds to expand UC system and admit
more students, most opponents I know would not have a problem at all. But
the issue is that current version of SCA5 would give preferential treatment
to certain groups, that is discrimination against other groups. I also do
not like your tone that criticized Chinese American as narrow interested. I
fight for my kids and my kids' future kids. It is my right to protect their
equal education opportunity. I am not ashamed at all. Criticism against
caring parents is despicable, or unbelievable at best. Last but not least,
we are all Americans, regardless of where we are from and our skin color. We
encourage mobility up social ladders. We care about these from
socioeconomically disadvantaged families. We consider family
socialeconomically background in the admission. Don't you think that is a
better criterion than skin color?
Posted by: Robert Wang | Mar 18, 2014 5:50 AM
11. SCA 5 is dead now, and won't be coming back for a while. Why does race
matter so much? How about using hair color or eye color or height or hair
length or something totally irrelevant for college admissions. The
assumption that different races need to be represented equally is totally
wrong; diversity in a college, private or public, should be based on
thinking process and culture, not something stupid like skin color. Some
people are working on a waterproof skin dye, so that it can be applied to
change the skin color of any person. Black people will be able to pose as
whites if they want to. Soon skin color may be as trivial as hair color.
Posted by: alex | Mar 22, 2014 1:34 PM
12. Mr. Emil Guillermo has no idea on his view on SCA5. He is just talking
out of the nonsense of liberal view ... I don't know how he is working for
Asian-Amerian. He does not understand Asian Ameriacan is ethnically
culturally diversed community. He is trying to paint them in one color.
Posted by: Jay Mckim | Apr 20, 2014 6:25 PM
13. Do you think it's fair for put a player over 70 years old on every NBA
sports team for "diversity"? Or put someone an obese person on every elite
track team or Olympic marathon team? Or a double arm amputee on a volleyball
team? All for the sake of so-called "diversity?" I am not a hater of
diversity. I have close friends of every race and religion there is. I am
simply asking for a fair chance for Asians. Because SCA5 is clearly not fair
. How is this promoting "diversity?" I say it's promoting racism. What's
next? Money redistribution to poor black and Hispanic people because rich
Asians have too much? Giving Asians harder tests? Taking points off SAT's
for being Asian? All for the sake of diversity?! Imagine if this was the
LGBT community. Would you condone the same? Would choosing students based on
sexual orientation be thought as "diversity" or hatred? I study hard every
day, so I can get into UC Berkley or UCLA. Please reconsider your views on
SCA5 and not deny my classmates and I a chance to get into a good university
because of our race.
Posted by: e | Jul 8, 201412:30 AM
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L*P
3 楼
准备搞个table saw ,类似功率大小的锯子，从100到几百差好远
汗滴门你们都有啥牌子型号的？ 这个如何？
DEWALT 15 Amp 10-in Table Saw $369.00
汗滴门你们都有啥牌子型号的？ 这个如何？
DEWALT 15 Amp 10-in Table Saw $369.00
b*e
4 楼
顶，希望大家指教
N*6
5 楼
Sunday 了。
昨晚花时间在这里，还是值得的。。学到点东西。。
die
【在 N*********6 的大作中提到】
: 明天好好读。xxsl..
: In California, SCA 5 may be DOA due to Asian Americans against affirmative
: action
: March 14, 2014 1:06 PM
: For a change, there's a movement to restore affirmative action, and not to
: end it.
: Unfortunately, because of some short-sighted Asian Americans, SCA 5 may die
: before it can get to the electorate.
: SCA 5 is Senate Constitutional Amendment No. 5, which seeks to overturn
: Proposition 209 in California. That was the initiative that won a simple
昨晚花时间在这里，还是值得的。。学到点东西。。
die
【在 N*********6 的大作中提到】
: 明天好好读。xxsl..
: In California, SCA 5 may be DOA due to Asian Americans against affirmative
: action
: March 14, 2014 1:06 PM
: For a change, there's a movement to restore affirmative action, and not to
: end it.
: Unfortunately, because of some short-sighted Asian Americans, SCA 5 may die
: before it can get to the electorate.
: SCA 5 is Senate Constitutional Amendment No. 5, which seeks to overturn
: Proposition 209 in California. That was the initiative that won a simple
w*u
6 楼
因为成本。。。
【在 L**P 的大作中提到】
: 准备搞个table saw ,类似功率大小的锯子，从100到几百差好远
: 汗滴门你们都有啥牌子型号的？ 这个如何？
: DEWALT 15 Amp 10-in Table Saw $369.00
【在 L**P 的大作中提到】
: 准备搞个table saw ,类似功率大小的锯子，从100到几百差好远
: 汗滴门你们都有啥牌子型号的？ 这个如何？
: DEWALT 15 Amp 10-in Table Saw $369.00
b*e
7 楼
顶，希望大家指教
【在 b**********e 的大作中提到】
: 看到了今年H1B的惨烈
: 我的OPT从今年7月开始，公司不e-verify，湾区一家做flash memory的硬件公司。如果
: 明年
: 4月H1B抽不上临时在两三个月内找到下家e-verified公司靠谱吗？谢谢
【在 b**********e 的大作中提到】
: 看到了今年H1B的惨烈
: 我的OPT从今年7月开始，公司不e-verify，湾区一家做flash memory的硬件公司。如果
: 明年
: 4月H1B抽不上临时在两三个月内找到下家e-verified公司靠谱吗？谢谢
x*d
8 楼
"The fact is Prop. 209 was written by two white academics who were trying to
stem the tide of new competition from diverse groups in public education and
employment. All 209 did was preserve the overrepresentation of certain
groups, while making it impossible to do anything to remedy the
underrepresentation of others."
Why nobody looking at NFL, NBA, gang, crime overrepresentation of certain
groups and trying to solve them?
stem the tide of new competition from diverse groups in public education and
employment. All 209 did was preserve the overrepresentation of certain
groups, while making it impossible to do anything to remedy the
underrepresentation of others."
Why nobody looking at NFL, NBA, gang, crime overrepresentation of certain
groups and trying to solve them?
L*P
9 楼
你的是啥牌子型号?
【在 w******u 的大作中提到】
: 因为成本。。。
【在 w******u 的大作中提到】
: 因为成本。。。
w*p
10 楼
让公司everify呗，告诉他们手续很简单（网上点一点就行），而且不要钱。
N*6
11 楼
白人注重leadership,,, 鱼园这娘炮封他做leader他都不敢接。。。
因为中国的传统文化是：枪打出头鸟。。。。到处跪㖭自保，结局就是今天这个
鸟样。。2000年了都不变。。
Traitors 最多的民族。。
襄公之后无诚信，崖山之后无华夏，有一定的道理。。
to
and
【在 x****d 的大作中提到】
: "The fact is Prop. 209 was written by two white academics who were trying to
: stem the tide of new competition from diverse groups in public education and
: employment. All 209 did was preserve the overrepresentation of certain
: groups, while making it impossible to do anything to remedy the
: underrepresentation of others."
: Why nobody looking at NFL, NBA, gang, crime overrepresentation of certain
: groups and trying to solve them?
因为中国的传统文化是：枪打出头鸟。。。。到处跪㖭自保，结局就是今天这个
鸟样。。2000年了都不变。。
Traitors 最多的民族。。
襄公之后无诚信，崖山之后无华夏，有一定的道理。。
to
and
【在 x****d 的大作中提到】
: "The fact is Prop. 209 was written by two white academics who were trying to
: stem the tide of new competition from diverse groups in public education and
: employment. All 209 did was preserve the overrepresentation of certain
: groups, while making it impossible to do anything to remedy the
: underrepresentation of others."
: Why nobody looking at NFL, NBA, gang, crime overrepresentation of certain
: groups and trying to solve them?
h*z
12 楼
Bosch的工具好像口碑还不错，不过比较贵，去HD找小二寥寥你的需求，选个适合自己
需要的
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000S5S5CW/1-bhr3homep2-
【在 L**P 的大作中提到】
: 准备搞个table saw ,类似功率大小的锯子，从100到几百差好远
: 汗滴门你们都有啥牌子型号的？ 这个如何？
: DEWALT 15 Amp 10-in Table Saw $369.00
需要的
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000S5S5CW/1-bhr3homep2-
【在 L**P 的大作中提到】
: 准备搞个table saw ,类似功率大小的锯子，从100到几百差好远
: 汗滴门你们都有啥牌子型号的？ 这个如何？
: DEWALT 15 Amp 10-in Table Saw $369.00
u*a
13 楼
发信人: uvachja (鹤立鸡群), 信区: Parenting
标 题: Re: 再论AA
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri Jan 1 13:23:29 2016, 美东)
NBA AA: 提到这个的 ID 太多了！
中小学 AA: fishingarden (Abigail Fisher隔壁老王)
online dating AA: feebe (华人民主党，还是人吗？)
问的目的是想确认 平权运动 的适用范围仅仅是：高等教育录取方式、政府部门合同审
批、和政府部门招聘活动。
其它地方没有被政府强加 平权运动 的限制。
发信人: bluestorm (偃棋息股), 信区: Parenting
标 题: Re: AA还是很有道理的
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Mon Dec 28 01:56:55 2015, 美东)
NBA为啥不想招来亚裔的篮球精英？
还是那句话，如果你要在学术上这么搞亚裔，那么必须同样在职业体育和娱乐界搞黑人
和白人，否则就是种族歧视
to
and
标 题: Re: 再论AA
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri Jan 1 13:23:29 2016, 美东)
NBA AA: 提到这个的 ID 太多了！
中小学 AA: fishingarden (Abigail Fisher隔壁老王)
online dating AA: feebe (华人民主党，还是人吗？)
问的目的是想确认 平权运动 的适用范围仅仅是：高等教育录取方式、政府部门合同审
批、和政府部门招聘活动。
其它地方没有被政府强加 平权运动 的限制。
发信人: bluestorm (偃棋息股), 信区: Parenting
标 题: Re: AA还是很有道理的
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Mon Dec 28 01:56:55 2015, 美东)
NBA为啥不想招来亚裔的篮球精英？
还是那句话，如果你要在学术上这么搞亚裔，那么必须同样在职业体育和娱乐界搞黑人
和白人，否则就是种族歧视
to
and
u*q
14 楼
不能同意更多
【在 w******u 的大作中提到】
: 因为成本。。。
【在 w******u 的大作中提到】
: 因为成本。。。
x*d
15 楼
And why you can ask "diversification" question to your company CEO nowadays?
and who decide which area this AA policy can/can't apply?
Furthermore, why discrimination can only apply to race not to class?
【在 u*****a 的大作中提到】
: 发信人: uvachja (鹤立鸡群), 信区: Parenting
: 标 题: Re: 再论AA
: 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri Jan 1 13:23:29 2016, 美东)
: NBA AA: 提到这个的 ID 太多了！
: 中小学 AA: fishingarden (Abigail Fisher隔壁老王)
: online dating AA: feebe (华人民主党，还是人吗？)
: 问的目的是想确认 平权运动 的适用范围仅仅是：高等教育录取方式、政府部门合同审
: 批、和政府部门招聘活动。
: 其它地方没有被政府强加 平权运动 的限制。
:
and who decide which area this AA policy can/can't apply?
Furthermore, why discrimination can only apply to race not to class?
【在 u*****a 的大作中提到】
: 发信人: uvachja (鹤立鸡群), 信区: Parenting
: 标 题: Re: 再论AA
: 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri Jan 1 13:23:29 2016, 美东)
: NBA AA: 提到这个的 ID 太多了！
: 中小学 AA: fishingarden (Abigail Fisher隔壁老王)
: online dating AA: feebe (华人民主党，还是人吗？)
: 问的目的是想确认 平权运动 的适用范围仅仅是：高等教育录取方式、政府部门合同审
: 批、和政府部门招聘活动。
: 其它地方没有被政府强加 平权运动 的限制。
:
w*u
16 楼
evolv
crapman低端产品（尼玛比crapman还低有木有）
$89进，用了一年多90出了。。。。
【在 L**P 的大作中提到】
: 你的是啥牌子型号?
crapman低端产品（尼玛比crapman还低有木有）
$89进，用了一年多90出了。。。。
【在 L**P 的大作中提到】
: 你的是啥牌子型号?
u*a
17 楼
Case law decides.
In particular, Supreme Court decisions.
Race is a class.
Some classes are protected by federal law:
The following characteristics are considered "Protected Classes" by Federal
law:
Race – Civil Rights Act of 1964
Color – Civil Rights Act of 1964
Religion – Civil Rights Act of 1964
National origin – Civil Rights Act of 1964
Age (40 and over) – Age Discrimination in Employment Act of 1967
Sex – Equal Pay Act of 1963 and Civil Rights Act of 1964
Pregnancy – Pregnancy Discrimination Act
Citizenship – Immigration Reform and Control Act
Familial status – Civil Rights Act of 1968 Title VIII: Housing cannot
discriminate for having children, with an exception for senior housing
Disability status – Rehabilitation Act of 1973 and Americans with
Disabilities Act of 1990
Veteran status – Vietnam Era Veterans' Readjustment Assistance Act of 1974
and Uniformed Services Employment and Reemployment Rights Act
Genetic information – Genetic Information Nondiscrimination Act
nowadays?
【在 x****d 的大作中提到】
: And why you can ask "diversification" question to your company CEO nowadays?
: and who decide which area this AA policy can/can't apply?
: Furthermore, why discrimination can only apply to race not to class?
In particular, Supreme Court decisions.
Race is a class.
Some classes are protected by federal law:
The following characteristics are considered "Protected Classes" by Federal
law:
Race – Civil Rights Act of 1964
Color – Civil Rights Act of 1964
Religion – Civil Rights Act of 1964
National origin – Civil Rights Act of 1964
Age (40 and over) – Age Discrimination in Employment Act of 1967
Sex – Equal Pay Act of 1963 and Civil Rights Act of 1964
Pregnancy – Pregnancy Discrimination Act
Citizenship – Immigration Reform and Control Act
Familial status – Civil Rights Act of 1968 Title VIII: Housing cannot
discriminate for having children, with an exception for senior housing
Disability status – Rehabilitation Act of 1973 and Americans with
Disabilities Act of 1990
Veteran status – Vietnam Era Veterans' Readjustment Assistance Act of 1974
and Uniformed Services Employment and Reemployment Rights Act
Genetic information – Genetic Information Nondiscrimination Act
nowadays?
【在 x****d 的大作中提到】
: And why you can ask "diversification" question to your company CEO nowadays?
: and who decide which area this AA policy can/can't apply?
: Furthermore, why discrimination can only apply to race not to class?
u*q
18 楼
不经意但又赤裸裸的BSO。。。
【在 w******u 的大作中提到】
: evolv
: crapman低端产品（尼玛比crapman还低有木有）
: $89进，用了一年多90出了。。。。
【在 w******u 的大作中提到】
: evolv
: crapman低端产品（尼玛比crapman还低有木有）
: $89进，用了一年多90出了。。。。
x*d
19 楼
你生活在火星上？还是装傻？
Federal
【在 u*****a 的大作中提到】
: Case law decides.
: In particular, Supreme Court decisions.
: Race is a class.
: Some classes are protected by federal law:
: The following characteristics are considered "Protected Classes" by Federal
: law:
: Race – Civil Rights Act of 1964
: Color – Civil Rights Act of 1964
: Religion – Civil Rights Act of 1964
: National origin – Civil Rights Act of 1964
Federal
【在 u*****a 的大作中提到】
: Case law decides.
: In particular, Supreme Court decisions.
: Race is a class.
: Some classes are protected by federal law:
: The following characteristics are considered "Protected Classes" by Federal
: law:
: Race – Civil Rights Act of 1964
: Color – Civil Rights Act of 1964
: Religion – Civil Rights Act of 1964
: National origin – Civil Rights Act of 1964
w*u
20 楼
还好木有淫排包子。。。。
【在 u****q 的大作中提到】
: 不经意但又赤裸裸的BSO。。。
【在 u****q 的大作中提到】
: 不经意但又赤裸裸的BSO。。。
f*n
21 楼
鸡兄终于开始迈出讲法律的蹒跚一步了，可喜可贺。大力表扬！
Federal
【在 u*****a 的大作中提到】
: Case law decides.
: In particular, Supreme Court decisions.
: Race is a class.
: Some classes are protected by federal law:
: The following characteristics are considered "Protected Classes" by Federal
: law:
: Race – Civil Rights Act of 1964
: Color – Civil Rights Act of 1964
: Religion – Civil Rights Act of 1964
: National origin – Civil Rights Act of 1964
Federal
【在 u*****a 的大作中提到】
: Case law decides.
: In particular, Supreme Court decisions.
: Race is a class.
: Some classes are protected by federal law:
: The following characteristics are considered "Protected Classes" by Federal
: law:
: Race – Civil Rights Act of 1964
: Color – Civil Rights Act of 1964
: Religion – Civil Rights Act of 1964
: National origin – Civil Rights Act of 1964
c*o
22 楼
包子。。。
【在 w******u 的大作中提到】
: evolv
: crapman低端产品（尼玛比crapman还低有木有）
: $89进，用了一年多90出了。。。。
【在 w******u 的大作中提到】
: evolv
: crapman低端产品（尼玛比crapman还低有木有）
: $89进，用了一年多90出了。。。。
f*n
23 楼
路人甲兄，小心鸡兄计数器大法。
【在 x****d 的大作中提到】
: 你生活在火星上？还是装傻？
:
: Federal
【在 x****d 的大作中提到】
: 你生活在火星上？还是装傻？
:
: Federal
w*u
24 楼
knew it。。
【在 c****o 的大作中提到】
: 包子。。。
【在 c****o 的大作中提到】
: 包子。。。
u*a
25 楼
Be nice to The Martian. It is a very popular movie.
Since you implied that race is not a type of classes, then 你生活在土星上或
者是装傻。
Race is a class! 这点貌似连头盔皮都知道。难道你比他还XX？
【在 x****d 的大作中提到】
: 你生活在火星上？还是装傻？
:
: Federal
Since you implied that race is not a type of classes, then 你生活在土星上或
者是装傻。
Race is a class! 这点貌似连头盔皮都知道。难道你比他还XX？
【在 x****d 的大作中提到】
: 你生活在火星上？还是装傻？
:
: Federal
p*g
26 楼
我要10个
【在 w******u 的大作中提到】
: knew it。。
【在 w******u 的大作中提到】
: knew it。。
u*a
27 楼
头盔皮又开始拉头皮了。
鼓掌之前先看明白问题：Someone claims that race is not a class.
如果真是这样，race-based "discrimination" is most likely constitutional
since only a rational basis test, the lowest level of scrutiny, is required
and Affirmative Action definitely passes muster.
鼓掌之前先看明白问题：Someone claims that race is not a class.
如果真是这样，race-based "discrimination" is most likely constitutional
since only a rational basis test, the lowest level of scrutiny, is required
and Affirmative Action definitely passes muster.
L*P
28 楼
历史上的好table saw deal是什么样子的
可能到去年年底有300的bosch，原价400
【在 p**********g 的大作中提到】
: 我要10个
可能到去年年底有300的bosch，原价400
【在 p**********g 的大作中提到】
: 我要10个
w*d
29 楼
这篇算不算政治？到底什么时候可以讲政治，什么政治可以讲？
p*g
30 楼
My ridgid table saw r4516
99.03 from 299
【在 L**P 的大作中提到】
: 历史上的好table saw deal是什么样子的
: 可能到去年年底有300的bosch，原价400
99.03 from 299
【在 L**P 的大作中提到】
: 历史上的好table saw deal是什么样子的
: 可能到去年年底有300的bosch，原价400
u*a
31 楼
亚裔精英在大学里被歧视的，请移步“筹建反 AA 亚裔大学”板块，一展宏图。谢谢。
亚裔萎缩男在线约会屡屡失败的，请移步“筹建反 AA 在线约会”板块，重振雄风。谢
谢。
体弱多病但不忿被 NBA 选秀忽略的，没治了。改行吧。无板块可推荐。
亚裔萎缩男在线约会屡屡失败的，请移步“筹建反 AA 在线约会”板块，重振雄风。谢
谢。
体弱多病但不忿被 NBA 选秀忽略的，没治了。改行吧。无板块可推荐。
L*P
32 楼
唉，我不理解为什么你那么多好deal
【在 p**********g 的大作中提到】
: My ridgid table saw r4516
: 99.03 from 299
【在 p**********g 的大作中提到】
: My ridgid table saw r4516
: 99.03 from 299
f*n
33 楼
路人甲兄说的是歧视，你说的是保护。唉，逻辑啊。
假故事兄好歹还贴一个宪法原文，你这种，不堪入目啊！
required
【在 u*****a 的大作中提到】
: 头盔皮又开始拉头皮了。
: 鼓掌之前先看明白问题：Someone claims that race is not a class.
: 如果真是这样，race-based "discrimination" is most likely constitutional
: since only a rational basis test, the lowest level of scrutiny, is required
: and Affirmative Action definitely passes muster.
假故事兄好歹还贴一个宪法原文，你这种，不堪入目啊！
required
【在 u*****a 的大作中提到】
: 头盔皮又开始拉头皮了。
: 鼓掌之前先看明白问题：Someone claims that race is not a class.
: 如果真是这样，race-based "discrimination" is most likely constitutional
: since only a rational basis test, the lowest level of scrutiny, is required
: and Affirmative Action definitely passes muster.
p*g
34 楼
不要只看贼吃肉
【在 L**P 的大作中提到】
: 唉，我不理解为什么你那么多好deal
【在 L**P 的大作中提到】
: 唉，我不理解为什么你那么多好deal
G*W
35 楼
什么都可以讲，所有的声音都可以发，就是不要挠乱治序，不要一堂言。。不要骗子过
度，不要造谣过度，你人肉搜索别人的同时等待被别人人肉。。
【在 w**d 的大作中提到】
: 这篇算不算政治？到底什么时候可以讲政治，什么政治可以讲？
度，不要造谣过度，你人肉搜索别人的同时等待被别人人肉。。
【在 w**d 的大作中提到】
: 这篇算不算政治？到底什么时候可以讲政治，什么政治可以讲？
w*u
36 楼
俄的森。逆天了，这个deal值至少100个包子
我排20个过分么？。。。
【在 p**********g 的大作中提到】
: My ridgid table saw r4516
: 99.03 from 299
我排20个过分么？。。。
【在 p**********g 的大作中提到】
: My ridgid table saw r4516
: 99.03 from 299
w*d
37 楼
谁来定规矩？还是需要版主？造谣应该是指伪造事实？很多人把自己的观点当事实贴出来
应该可以算，然后cherry pick数据也该是造谣。
又有谁人肉了？帖子太多，难道漏过了？
【在 G***W 的大作中提到】
: 什么都可以讲，所有的声音都可以发，就是不要挠乱治序，不要一堂言。。不要骗子过
: 度，不要造谣过度，你人肉搜索别人的同时等待被别人人肉。。
应该可以算，然后cherry pick数据也该是造谣。
又有谁人肉了？帖子太多，难道漏过了？
【在 G***W 的大作中提到】
: 什么都可以讲，所有的声音都可以发，就是不要挠乱治序，不要一堂言。。不要骗子过
: 度，不要造谣过度，你人肉搜索别人的同时等待被别人人肉。。
L*P
38 楼
你还挨打了么？
【在 p**********g 的大作中提到】
: 不要只看贼吃肉
【在 p**********g 的大作中提到】
: 不要只看贼吃肉
u*a
39 楼
孟母：十三迁吧，您。没有人拦着! 套用一下你兄弟的话：
【在 x****d 的大作中提到】
: 你生活在火星上？还是装傻？
:
: Federal
【在 x****d 的大作中提到】
: 你生活在火星上？还是装傻？
:
: Federal
p*g
40 楼
不是，是被差点劫色，幸亏我在店里喊help, help，help.......
【在 L**P 的大作中提到】
: 你还挨打了么？
【在 L**P 的大作中提到】
: 你还挨打了么？
f*n
41 楼
计数器大法又开始了？我逃了。
【在 u*****a 的大作中提到】
: 孟母：十三迁吧，您。没有人拦着! 套用一下你兄弟的话：
【在 u*****a 的大作中提到】
: 孟母：十三迁吧，您。没有人拦着! 套用一下你兄弟的话：
a*j
42 楼
Mark
t*l
43 楼
其实把这个版彻底搞残，流量降到接近零，大伙儿都不相信机油，其实是件好事。
所以我觉得多来些军版 id 挺好的。大家玩 AI。
【在 f**********n 的大作中提到】
: 计数器大法又开始了？我逃了。
所以我觉得多来些军版 id 挺好的。大家玩 AI。
【在 f**********n 的大作中提到】
: 计数器大法又开始了？我逃了。
w*u
44 楼
跪求真相照片／．．．．
【在 p**********g 的大作中提到】
: 不是，是被差点劫色，幸亏我在店里喊help, help，help.......
【在 p**********g 的大作中提到】
: 不是，是被差点劫色，幸亏我在店里喊help, help，help.......
G*W
45 楼
放心，没有毛主席，汉族肯定不会灭亡。。本版到达2位数的时期都弹回来了。。
这是本版的历史。。
历史老师很伟大。。。。
【在 t******l 的大作中提到】
: 其实把这个版彻底搞残，流量降到接近零，大伙儿都不相信机油，其实是件好事。
: 所以我觉得多来些军版 id 挺好的。大家玩 AI。
这是本版的历史。。
历史老师很伟大。。。。
【在 t******l 的大作中提到】
: 其实把这个版彻底搞残，流量降到接近零，大伙儿都不相信机油，其实是件好事。
: 所以我觉得多来些军版 id 挺好的。大家玩 AI。
u*q
46 楼
当时欢欢穿的是什么？
【在 p**********g 的大作中提到】
: 不是，是被差点劫色，幸亏我在店里喊help, help，help.......
【在 p**********g 的大作中提到】
: 不是，是被差点劫色，幸亏我在店里喊help, help，help.......
u*a
47 楼
说了半天，这个“孟母”十四迁的典故，是说菌斑 ID 的。整个一群蝗虫。
L*P
48 楼
why? you were the one 劫色 pingpingpang?
【在 a****j 的大作中提到】
: Mark
【在 a****j 的大作中提到】
: Mark
f*n
49 楼
好彩本人从不去军版发言，除了上了十大的。好险。
【在 u*****a 的大作中提到】
: 说了半天，这个“孟母”十四迁的典故，是说菌斑 ID 的。整个一群蝗虫。
【在 u*****a 的大作中提到】
: 说了半天，这个“孟母”十四迁的典故，是说菌斑 ID 的。整个一群蝗虫。
p*g
50 楼
只有真相，没有照片
【在 w******u 的大作中提到】
: 跪求真相照片／．．．．
【在 w******u 的大作中提到】
: 跪求真相照片／．．．．
N*6
51 楼
发信人: Narcissus26 (Jane), 信区: Military
标 题: Re: 【华裔迫切需要关注的大学入学AA】 (转载)
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Mon Jan 4 21:18:14 2016, 美东)
帮顶。
以后就军版讨论多好？
我个人认为华人支持AA或者反对AA对华人子女上大学都没影响。
一些人吹得这么响，应该是为两党拉票而已或者还有别的政治目的。。。。所以军版才
是最适合讨论这问题的版块。
Good luck...
【在 f**********n 的大作中提到】
: 好彩本人从不去军版发言，除了上了十大的。好险。
标 题: Re: 【华裔迫切需要关注的大学入学AA】 (转载)
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Mon Jan 4 21:18:14 2016, 美东)
帮顶。
以后就军版讨论多好？
我个人认为华人支持AA或者反对AA对华人子女上大学都没影响。
一些人吹得这么响，应该是为两党拉票而已或者还有别的政治目的。。。。所以军版才
是最适合讨论这问题的版块。
Good luck...
【在 f**********n 的大作中提到】
: 好彩本人从不去军版发言，除了上了十大的。好险。
p*g
52 楼
什么都没有穿？
【在 u****q 的大作中提到】
: 当时欢欢穿的是什么？
【在 u****q 的大作中提到】
: 当时欢欢穿的是什么？
L*P
53 楼
要卖的时候告诉我
【在 p**********g 的大作中提到】
: My ridgid table saw r4516
: 99.03 from 299
【在 p**********g 的大作中提到】
: My ridgid table saw r4516
: 99.03 from 299
c*o
54 楼
太赤裸裸的要求了，让人家平平胖怎么好意思嘛
【在 L**P 的大作中提到】
: 要卖的时候告诉我
【在 L**P 的大作中提到】
: 要卖的时候告诉我
p*g
55 楼
"赤裸裸的"，要劫色，脸红了........help, help , help :D
【在 c****o 的大作中提到】
: 太赤裸裸的要求了，让人家平平胖怎么好意思嘛
【在 c****o 的大作中提到】
: 太赤裸裸的要求了，让人家平平胖怎么好意思嘛
L*P
56 楼
乒乒乓要升级大型台式上千的table saw数控机床了,马上不需要了
有纪念意义,乒乒乓的色相换来的
【在 c****o 的大作中提到】
: 太赤裸裸的要求了，让人家平平胖怎么好意思嘛
有纪念意义,乒乒乓的色相换来的
【在 c****o 的大作中提到】
: 太赤裸裸的要求了，让人家平平胖怎么好意思嘛
p*g
57 楼
没钱升级...........
色相也不管用了（从来没有管用过）
【在 L**P 的大作中提到】
: 乒乒乓要升级大型台式上千的table saw数控机床了,马上不需要了
: 有纪念意义,乒乒乓的色相换来的
色相也不管用了（从来没有管用过）
【在 L**P 的大作中提到】
: 乒乒乓要升级大型台式上千的table saw数控机床了,马上不需要了
: 有纪念意义,乒乒乓的色相换来的
c*o
58 楼
平平胖准备什么时候开始卖，咳咳。。。
【在 p**********g 的大作中提到】
: 没钱升级...........
: 色相也不管用了（从来没有管用过）
【在 p**********g 的大作中提到】
: 没钱升级...........
: 色相也不管用了（从来没有管用过）
L*P
59 楼
我出$99.99
【在 c****o 的大作中提到】
: 平平胖准备什么时候开始卖，咳咳。。。
【在 c****o 的大作中提到】
: 平平胖准备什么时候开始卖，咳咳。。。
w*u
60 楼
排包子。。。。
【在 c****o 的大作中提到】
: 平平胖准备什么时候开始卖，咳咳。。。
【在 c****o 的大作中提到】
: 平平胖准备什么时候开始卖，咳咳。。。
d*0
61 楼
笑翻了。
【在 L**P 的大作中提到】
: 唉，我不理解为什么你那么多好deal
【在 L**P 的大作中提到】
: 唉，我不理解为什么你那么多好deal
L*P
62 楼
找到sander丢没有？
我昨天知道我邻居从木料院子买的门，自己涂polyutherine然后手打磨，重复3遍，效
果很好，所以一般事情不需要三得人
【在 d**********0 的大作中提到】
: 笑翻了。
我昨天知道我邻居从木料院子买的门，自己涂polyutherine然后手打磨，重复3遍，效
果很好，所以一般事情不需要三得人
【在 d**********0 的大作中提到】
: 笑翻了。
w*u
63 楼
细砂纸貌似用sander不好控制，还是手靠谱。。。。。
【在 L**P 的大作中提到】
: 找到sander丢没有？
: 我昨天知道我邻居从木料院子买的门，自己涂polyutherine然后手打磨，重复3遍，效
: 果很好，所以一般事情不需要三得人
【在 L**P 的大作中提到】
: 找到sander丢没有？
: 我昨天知道我邻居从木料院子买的门，自己涂polyutherine然后手打磨，重复3遍，效
: 果很好，所以一般事情不需要三得人
L*P
64 楼
我看他那门挺好看，没有stain,木头的原色，直接上polyu
不过真贵，要900左右，double door,找乒乓做应该便宜点吧
【在 w******u 的大作中提到】
: 细砂纸貌似用sander不好控制，还是手靠谱。。。。。
不过真贵，要900左右，double door,找乒乓做应该便宜点吧
【在 w******u 的大作中提到】
: 细砂纸貌似用sander不好控制，还是手靠谱。。。。。
d*0
65 楼
没呢。 准备周末 HF 去一趟。
【在 w******u 的大作中提到】
: 细砂纸貌似用sander不好控制，还是手靠谱。。。。。
【在 w******u 的大作中提到】
: 细砂纸貌似用sander不好控制，还是手靠谱。。。。。
w*u
66 楼
乒乒给你用stud拼一个。。。。
你确定没有stain？
【在 L**P 的大作中提到】
: 我看他那门挺好看，没有stain,木头的原色，直接上polyu
: 不过真贵，要900左右，double door,找乒乓做应该便宜点吧
你确定没有stain？
【在 L**P 的大作中提到】
: 我看他那门挺好看，没有stain,木头的原色，直接上polyu
: 不过真贵，要900左右，double door,找乒乓做应该便宜点吧
L*P
67 楼
邻居亲口说的，拉回来做了三遍 polyU和打磨
可以用stud做门么？
【在 w******u 的大作中提到】
: 乒乒给你用stud拼一个。。。。
: 你确定没有stain？
可以用stud做门么？
【在 w******u 的大作中提到】
: 乒乒给你用stud拼一个。。。。
: 你确定没有stain？
w*u
68 楼
瞎讲的
为了降低成本乒乒给你从ｃｌ上拉一个回来打磨上漆．．．．．
【在 L**P 的大作中提到】
: 邻居亲口说的，拉回来做了三遍 polyU和打磨
: 可以用stud做门么？
为了降低成本乒乒给你从ｃｌ上拉一个回来打磨上漆．．．．．
【在 L**P 的大作中提到】
: 邻居亲口说的，拉回来做了三遍 polyU和打磨
: 可以用stud做门么？
d*0
69 楼
肉哥， 这个怎么讲？ 为啥细磨的时候不好弄？
【在 w******u 的大作中提到】
: 细砂纸貌似用sander不好控制，还是手靠谱。。。。。
【在 w******u 的大作中提到】
: 细砂纸貌似用sander不好控制，还是手靠谱。。。。。
p*g
70 楼
我在网上近乎完美的形象就是被你毁了的
【在 w******u 的大作中提到】
: 瞎讲的
: 为了降低成本乒乒给你从ｃｌ上拉一个回来打磨上漆．．．．．
【在 w******u 的大作中提到】
: 瞎讲的
: 为了降低成本乒乒给你从ｃｌ上拉一个回来打磨上漆．．．．．
w*u
71 楼
书上说机器比较暴力不好控制
木匠们和八级油工们意下如何？
不过修车的好象最后也是用ｂｕｆｆｅｒ来打磨
【在 d**********0 的大作中提到】
: 肉哥， 这个怎么讲？ 为啥细磨的时候不好弄？
木匠们和八级油工们意下如何？
不过修车的好象最后也是用ｂｕｆｆｅｒ来打磨
【在 d**********0 的大作中提到】
: 肉哥， 这个怎么讲？ 为啥细磨的时候不好弄？
p*g
72 楼
我用我的orbit sander很高兴的把plywood打磨好，最后发现表面那层veneer非常的薄
，已经被抹掉了，后面上stain，非常的难看，只有上油漆了
这个还是HD最贵的那种plywood
怎么样？10个包子吧
【在 d**********0 的大作中提到】
: 肉哥， 这个怎么讲？ 为啥细磨的时候不好弄？
，已经被抹掉了，后面上stain，非常的难看，只有上油漆了
这个还是HD最贵的那种plywood
怎么样？10个包子吧
【在 d**********0 的大作中提到】
: 肉哥， 这个怎么讲？ 为啥细磨的时候不好弄？
w*u
73 楼
这样子见了真人会更震撼．．．．
包子ｐｌｓ
【在 p**********g 的大作中提到】
: 我在网上近乎完美的形象就是被你毁了的
包子ｐｌｓ
【在 p**********g 的大作中提到】
: 我在网上近乎完美的形象就是被你毁了的
w*u
74 楼
笑翻了
乒乒被打得血淋淋的．．．．．
【在 p**********g 的大作中提到】
: 我用我的orbit sander很高兴的把plywood打磨好，最后发现表面那层veneer非常的薄
: ，已经被抹掉了，后面上stain，非常的难看，只有上油漆了
: 这个还是HD最贵的那种plywood
: 怎么样？10个包子吧
乒乒被打得血淋淋的．．．．．
【在 p**********g 的大作中提到】
: 我用我的orbit sander很高兴的把plywood打磨好，最后发现表面那层veneer非常的薄
: ，已经被抹掉了，后面上stain，非常的难看，只有上油漆了
: 这个还是HD最贵的那种plywood
: 怎么样？10个包子吧
w*u
75 楼
尼玛这个绝对值１０个包子．
丁丁看着办吧．．．．
【在 p**********g 的大作中提到】
: 我用我的orbit sander很高兴的把plywood打磨好，最后发现表面那层veneer非常的薄
: ，已经被抹掉了，后面上stain，非常的难看，只有上油漆了
: 这个还是HD最贵的那种plywood
: 怎么样？10个包子吧
丁丁看着办吧．．．．
【在 p**********g 的大作中提到】
: 我用我的orbit sander很高兴的把plywood打磨好，最后发现表面那层veneer非常的薄
: ，已经被抹掉了，后面上stain，非常的难看，只有上油漆了
: 这个还是HD最贵的那种plywood
: 怎么样？10个包子吧
p*g
76 楼
谢谢，我到时侯分你一部分 - 一个包子
【在 w******u 的大作中提到】
: 尼玛这个绝对值１０个包子．
: 丁丁看着办吧．．．．
【在 w******u 的大作中提到】
: 尼玛这个绝对值１０个包子．
: 丁丁看着办吧．．．．
w*u
77 楼
乒哥栽培．．．
【在 p**********g 的大作中提到】
: 谢谢，我到时侯分你一部分 - 一个包子
【在 p**********g 的大作中提到】
: 谢谢，我到时侯分你一部分 - 一个包子
p*g
78 楼
不，是我上辈子修来的福气，能和花肉合作
【在 w******u 的大作中提到】
: 乒哥栽培．．．
【在 w******u 的大作中提到】
: 乒哥栽培．．．
L*P
79 楼
我钉了两根2x3当架子固定拉门左右的moulding,现在这2x3的木头有点漏出来看到侧面
，能直接上白色油漆么？
【在 p**********g 的大作中提到】
: 我用我的orbit sander很高兴的把plywood打磨好，最后发现表面那层veneer非常的薄
: ，已经被抹掉了，后面上stain，非常的难看，只有上油漆了
: 这个还是HD最贵的那种plywood
: 怎么样？10个包子吧
，能直接上白色油漆么？
【在 p**********g 的大作中提到】
: 我用我的orbit sander很高兴的把plywood打磨好，最后发现表面那层veneer非常的薄
: ，已经被抹掉了，后面上stain，非常的难看，只有上油漆了
: 这个还是HD最贵的那种plywood
: 怎么样？10个包子吧
d*0
80 楼
plywood 上有 Veneer 贴层？ 是啥道理？
俺以为 plywood 就是木头贴一块的。
【在 p**********g 的大作中提到】
: 我用我的orbit sander很高兴的把plywood打磨好，最后发现表面那层veneer非常的薄
: ，已经被抹掉了，后面上stain，非常的难看，只有上油漆了
: 这个还是HD最贵的那种plywood
: 怎么样？10个包子吧
俺以为 plywood 就是木头贴一块的。
【在 p**********g 的大作中提到】
: 我用我的orbit sander很高兴的把plywood打磨好，最后发现表面那层veneer非常的薄
: ，已经被抹掉了，后面上stain，非常的难看，只有上油漆了
: 这个还是HD最贵的那种plywood
: 怎么样？10个包子吧
p*g
81 楼
那个薄薄的一层木头就是，算wood veneer
so far, 欠我20个包子 （我18个，2个是五花肉的）
【在 d**********0 的大作中提到】
: plywood 上有 Veneer 贴层？ 是啥道理？
: 俺以为 plywood 就是木头贴一块的。
so far, 欠我20个包子 （我18个，2个是五花肉的）
【在 d**********0 的大作中提到】
: plywood 上有 Veneer 贴层？ 是啥道理？
: 俺以为 plywood 就是木头贴一块的。
L*P
82 楼
Veneer 就是一层薄薄的真木头
【在 d**********0 的大作中提到】
: plywood 上有 Veneer 贴层？ 是啥道理？
: 俺以为 plywood 就是木头贴一块的。
【在 d**********0 的大作中提到】
: plywood 上有 Veneer 贴层？ 是啥道理？
: 俺以为 plywood 就是木头贴一块的。
L*P
83 楼
看到油漆问题没有？可以直接在2乘3上面涂白油漆么？
【在 p**********g 的大作中提到】
: 那个薄薄的一层木头就是，算wood veneer
: so far, 欠我20个包子 （我18个，2个是五花肉的）
【在 p**********g 的大作中提到】
: 那个薄薄的一层木头就是，算wood veneer
: so far, 欠我20个包子 （我18个，2个是五花肉的）
d*0
84 楼
你是说， 最贵的Plywood, 就是表面一层木头， 里面的那些层都是烂木头？
奶奶的哦， 哥所有的包子都不够２０个。
【在 p**********g 的大作中提到】
: 那个薄薄的一层木头就是，算wood veneer
: so far, 欠我20个包子 （我18个，2个是五花肉的）
奶奶的哦， 哥所有的包子都不够２０个。
【在 p**********g 的大作中提到】
: 那个薄薄的一层木头就是，算wood veneer
: so far, 欠我20个包子 （我18个，2个是五花肉的）
t*4
85 楼
我有把50cc的Poulan Pro， 太重了， 倒也砍倒了几会树， 现闲置
p*g
86 楼
sander好了，应该没有问题吧
不过我的油漆都是latex + primer的
【在 L**P 的大作中提到】
: 看到油漆问题没有？可以直接在2乘3上面涂白油漆么？
不过我的油漆都是latex + primer的
【在 L**P 的大作中提到】
: 看到油漆问题没有？可以直接在2乘3上面涂白油漆么？
p*g
87 楼
外面那层比较有保证，里面就不知道是什么了，然后stain非常难均匀
那层估计只有2/1000 inch (印象），所以一打磨，就没有了
【在 d**********0 的大作中提到】
: 你是说， 最贵的Plywood, 就是表面一层木头， 里面的那些层都是烂木头？
: 奶奶的哦， 哥所有的包子都不够２０个。
那层估计只有2/1000 inch (印象），所以一打磨，就没有了
【在 d**********0 的大作中提到】
: 你是说， 最贵的Plywood, 就是表面一层木头， 里面的那些层都是烂木头？
: 奶奶的哦， 哥所有的包子都不够２０个。
L*P
88 楼
不sand的结果如何？
表面光滑我无所谓，反正在里面，关键颜色白色就好了
【在 p**********g 的大作中提到】
: sander好了，应该没有问题吧
: 不过我的油漆都是latex + primer的
表面光滑我无所谓，反正在里面，关键颜色白色就好了
【在 p**********g 的大作中提到】
: sander好了，应该没有问题吧
: 不过我的油漆都是latex + primer的
c*o
89 楼
此楼已歪歪，有事请另开贴
L*P
90 楼
大哥，我不是要去自己砍树的
【在 t****4 的大作中提到】
: 我有把50cc的Poulan Pro， 太重了， 倒也砍倒了几会树， 现闲置
【在 t****4 的大作中提到】
: 我有把50cc的Poulan Pro， 太重了， 倒也砍倒了几会树， 现闲置
L*P
91 楼
都是技术讨论
【在 c****o 的大作中提到】
: 此楼已歪歪，有事请另开贴
【在 c****o 的大作中提到】
: 此楼已歪歪，有事请另开贴
p*g
92 楼
油漆盖住就是白色了？
【在 L**P 的大作中提到】
: 不sand的结果如何？
: 表面光滑我无所谓，反正在里面，关键颜色白色就好了
【在 L**P 的大作中提到】
: 不sand的结果如何？
: 表面光滑我无所谓，反正在里面，关键颜色白色就好了
L*P
93 楼
白色油漆不是盖住木头就白色？
【在 p**********g 的大作中提到】
: 油漆盖住就是白色了？
【在 p**********g 的大作中提到】
: 油漆盖住就是白色了？
d*0
94 楼
对了， 俺去买 stain.. 要白色， 他给了一通， 上面写着 base white..
这就是白的么？
【在 L**P 的大作中提到】
: 白色油漆不是盖住木头就白色？
这就是白的么？
【在 L**P 的大作中提到】
: 白色油漆不是盖住木头就白色？
L*P
95 楼
stain 和 paint两回事情吧
【在 d**********0 的大作中提到】
: 对了， 俺去买 stain.. 要白色， 他给了一通， 上面写着 base white..
: 这就是白的么？
【在 d**********0 的大作中提到】
: 对了， 俺去买 stain.. 要白色， 他给了一通， 上面写着 base white..
: 这就是白的么？
L*P
96 楼
stain 和 paint两回事情吧
【在 d**********0 的大作中提到】
: 对了， 俺去买 stain.. 要白色， 他给了一通， 上面写着 base white..
: 这就是白的么？
【在 d**********0 的大作中提到】
: 对了， 俺去买 stain.. 要白色， 他给了一通， 上面写着 base white..
: 这就是白的么？
w*u
97 楼
内牛满面，乒哥太义气了。。。
【在 p**********g 的大作中提到】
: 那个薄薄的一层木头就是，算wood veneer
: so far, 欠我20个包子 （我18个，2个是五花肉的）
【在 p**********g 的大作中提到】
: 那个薄薄的一层木头就是，算wood veneer
: so far, 欠我20个包子 （我18个，2个是五花肉的）
a*a
98 楼
俺听到的怎么是 harder, harder, harder ...
【在 p**********g 的大作中提到】
: 不是，是被差点劫色，幸亏我在店里喊help, help，help.......
【在 p**********g 的大作中提到】
: 不是，是被差点劫色，幸亏我在店里喊help, help，help.......
c*o
99 楼
你在现场？这下平平胖不能抵赖了
【在 a********a 的大作中提到】
: 俺听到的怎么是 harder, harder, harder ...
【在 a********a 的大作中提到】
: 俺听到的怎么是 harder, harder, harder ...
p*p
100 楼
wsn自己在家搞搞，弄个便宜货就好了，一年能用两次了不得了
100块左右就行
【在 L**P 的大作中提到】
: 准备搞个table saw ,类似功率大小的锯子，从100到几百差好远
: 汗滴门你们都有啥牌子型号的？ 这个如何？
: DEWALT 15 Amp 10-in Table Saw $369.00
100块左右就行
【在 L**P 的大作中提到】
: 准备搞个table saw ,类似功率大小的锯子，从100到几百差好远
: 汗滴门你们都有啥牌子型号的？ 这个如何？
: DEWALT 15 Amp 10-in Table Saw $369.00
p*g
101 楼
萎缩无极限
【在 p*****p 的大作中提到】
: wsn自己在家搞搞，弄个便宜货就好了，一年能用两次了不得了
: 100块左右就行
【在 p*****p 的大作中提到】
: wsn自己在家搞搞，弄个便宜货就好了，一年能用两次了不得了
: 100块左右就行
p*p
102 楼
我要以我的萎缩打动大家
你天天在这里忽悠人花钱，我要把你这股歪风打下来
【在 p**********g 的大作中提到】
: 萎缩无极限
你天天在这里忽悠人花钱，我要把你这股歪风打下来
【在 p**********g 的大作中提到】
: 萎缩无极限
p*g
103 楼
Buy more. save..........MORE
【在 p*****p 的大作中提到】
: 我要以我的萎缩打动大家
: 你天天在这里忽悠人花钱，我要把你这股歪风打下来
【在 p*****p 的大作中提到】
: 我要以我的萎缩打动大家
: 你天天在这里忽悠人花钱，我要把你这股歪风打下来
p*p
104 楼
难怪我的saving里面是0
【在 p**********g 的大作中提到】
: Buy more. save..........MORE
【在 p**********g 的大作中提到】
: Buy more. save..........MORE
p*g
105 楼
都在股市了吧
【在 p*****p 的大作中提到】
: 难怪我的saving里面是0
【在 p*****p 的大作中提到】
: 难怪我的saving里面是0
p*p
106 楼
都买黄金了，抄底呢
【在 p**********g 的大作中提到】
: 都在股市了吧
【在 p**********g 的大作中提到】
: 都在股市了吧
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