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网上那些贷款网站是否靠谱?# Living
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这种会被摘牌吗?
http://seekingalpha.com/article/275262-harbin-electric-loan-fra
The Harbin Chairman/CEO Has A History Of Fraudulent Loan Guarantee Documents.
We have obtained a settlement agreement reached between Harbin CEO Tianfu
Yang and China Construction Import Export Corp. In 2004, Mr. Yang, along
with his brother, fellow Harbin board member Tianli Yang, fraudulently
obtained the official seal of China Construction Import Export Corp. (CCIE)
to guarantee a loan for Tinafu Yang’s company.
In the settlement agreement with CCIE, Tianfu Yang admitted guilt in order
to get CCIE to agree to drop criminal proceedings in the matter.
(We have gone to great length to verify the authenticity of these documents,
and will publish any challenge or correction that can reliably demonstrate
that they are not authentic.) Here they are for your viewing pleasure:
Harbin Chairman Civil Settlement (.pdf)
Harbin Chairman Civil Settlement (translated)
Signature of Tianfu Yang on SAIC doc that matches signature of settlement
agreement (.pdf)
This link shows the signer from China Construction is the official legal
representative of CCIE:
We recall vividly how vociferously Longtop officials decried as “unfair”
and “irrelevant” when we published references to a lawsuit, documenting
prior misconduct of the Chairman of Longtop. Similarly, this document goes
directly to management’s credibility and trustworthiness. And since Harbin
’s buyout valuation rests solely on the credibility of the Chairman and his
offer, this should be the end of the road for the Harbin charade.
We wonder how this disturbing legal baggage will reflect on Chairman Yang
creditworthiness to his bank or any other bank evaluating this deal.
We ask: Why all this effort to keep people’s attention off the underlying
business?
We believe that, absent this sham buyout offer, shareholders are holding a
company that is a potential 0….yes a 0, as in donut. We believe the company
has undisclosed liabilities, as we have seen with companies such as Longtop
Financial. Also, even with its limited disclosures, Harbin as a company is
far too dependent on lending to support a business with heavy capex burdens,
slimming margins, and decreasing revenue.
So now we are supposed to believe that a company, run by a gentleman with a
disturbing history of loan misrepresentation, is actually obtaining a
signature loan for $400 million, to buy out the publicly held shares at a 40
% premium? And this transaction is going ahead in a market environment so
rife with skepticism about Chinese stocks and skittish about economic
concerns that no Chinese company has sold a bond in the high yield market
since May 26?
And this transaction is predicated on the numbers filed by the most
notorious discredited auditor in the China space?
And who is the purported lender bank? China Development Bank – a bank who
has become too familiar with China stock fraud. They are the lender for the
recently decimated Sino-Forest.
Ask yourself if a little professional skepticism isn't warranted here.
The Curious Case Of Harbin’s 2010 Bank Loan
We believe that in reality Harbin is a money pit with hidden liabilities
that are consuming its cash.
Only a month after the original “takeover announcement”, over six months
ago, Harbin’s Chairman executed a $50 million dollar bank loan for the
company, collateralized by his personal stock holdings, worth more than
double the loan amount at the time.
We ask one simple question: Why? If you really have $55 million in the bank,
earning less than 1% interest, would you borrow $50 million at 8% interest
if you don’t desperately need the money?
Clearly it's an expensive transaction – the company is paying $1.9 million
interest quarterly to service the loan (at 8%), while earning less than $200
,000 interest on its free cash balances. And according to more recent
filings, they've never used the money. It supposedly just sits in their bank
account. (Sorry to be so damn obvious.)
Regardless of what the reason is, it bodes poorly for a company that expects
to get financing to go private for a 70% premium to market.
Not Only Do We Not Believe Harbin…But Neither Does Wall Street
It is not only us that don’t believe the takeover, but obviously Wall
Street doesn’t either.
Here is a typical Wall Street risk/arb spreadsheet, showing the difference
between the current market price and the proposed takeover price for dozens
of deals in process.
Note that these stocks all trade within a few percent of the proposed
takeover price. Yet, Harbin has never traded higher than the range of 50% to
70% of its takeover price.
It seems that that the only people who believe this deal could go through
are Abax and the very vocal Peter Siris. If you are holding this stock
relying on the “easy profit”, look carefully at the track of the group
with whom you are riding shotgun.
Meet The Real Abax Capital Management
The purported equity partner for this deal is Abax Capital Management. This
crew has no hesitation to name-drop impressive sounding folks such as “
Morgan Stanley”. Yet, we have been unable to find even one successful deal
they have participated in as a principal. The few deals that have made it
into the public domain could best be described as “pathetic”. The founding
partners have split up, and we strongly doubt that under current market
conditions Abax has any financial muscle to swing this deal.
Ferro China, valued at $240 million when Abax was involved, is now worthless
, and in bankruptcy.
United Fiber Systems, China Water Industry, China Natural Gas (CHNG),
SinoEnergy, China Mobile Media Tech — they’re all failed. CSR trades trade
at a huge discount to its purported take-private price. We have yet to find
one successful deal come out of Abax.
These two stories make clear what we’ve summarized above: here and here.
Introducing Peter Siris And Guerrilla Capital Management
I have discussed tirelessly the vocal Peter Siris. A review of his fund’s
filings just makes me wish I had invested money with him…to short
everything he buys. Here is a third party article on Mr. Siris and his
recent stock market troubles.
Lots Of Luck Suing Later
To illustrate a final point we’ve made previously about the China space,
there’s a tremendous vulnerability for US investors who assume “a stock is
a stock is a stock” if it trades on the Nasdaq or the NYSE.
Investors are going to face “mission impossible” when trying to avail
themselves of the customary legal protections they assume are available to
shareholders, for companies domiciled in China. Here’s a news story about
one of the early civil shareholder suits, which can’t even get papers
served on defendants domiciled in China. Buyer beware.
Conclusion
For those of you who do not read us, yesterday another China coverage stock
was halted: China-Biotics (NASDAQ:CHBT). How long until Harbin faces the
same fate?
We have hundreds of pages of SAIC documents – the in-country filings of
Harbin’s subsidiaries over the years. These documents do not even remotely
resemble the company that Harbin portrays to US investors in its SEC filings.
But needless to say, we think no bank in China or anywhere else would dream
of relying on Harbin’s SEC filings, generated by a disgraced auditor, as a
basis providing hundreds of millions of dollars in high-risk financing to
fund a huge premium to pay off US investors.
We see no reason to drown readers in paperwork to prove a fraud that is too
obvious. If need be, we will continue to publish information on a timely
basis that we find is relevant to investors.
Cautious investing to all.
Disclosure: Short HRBN.
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c*s
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像lendingtree, quicken loans, 有人用过吗?
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a*p
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Probably FSIN has the same problem.
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建议多打几个电话亲身感受一下。以下是几个供参考的点,可以考察对比一下:
1.整体利率怎么样?(当然是越低越好)
2.是否主动及时的给你利率的update,而不是等到你去催问?
3.打电话是否总有人接?是否有认真在case by case的认真处理你的申请?
4.Email是否总是及时回复?
5.是否及时主动的给你update贷款申请的进度?
6.在送银行审核之前是否在认真帮你把握质量关?而不是敷衍了事。
7.专业知识是否过硬?对客人提出的问题的回答是不是全面?

【在 c******s 的大作中提到】
: 像lendingtree, quicken loans, 有人用过吗?
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B*S
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-54%
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如何找 mortgage broker的经验体会,仅供参考.
1. 打电话和电邮,是否容易找到有 licence 的 mortgage broker 本人,还是助理或
同事?是否真诚,是否靠谱,是否有经验.根据法律,只有有贷款执照之人才能和给你贷
款的 offer.
2. 报价最好同一天同—时间段,因为利率每天变化,有时—天多次。若某一家贷款公
司给的利率和条件比市面上同行好很多,在不了解的前提下,多花点时间沟通考察
mortgage broker,确保不是不肖之人的Bait and Switch的策略.经常上网发言应该都
比较在意名声和长期合作关系.
3. 房屋贷款,特别是第一次,肯定有很多问题。一个好的 mortgage broker 应该把
整个贷款过程和你讲清楚,使你有一个合理的希望值。
4. 购屋贷款有remove loan contingency 和按时close圧力.找—个经验丰富,业务能
力强,又负责任,靠谱的 mortgage broker 尤其重要
5. 做一个贷款需好4-5周,看broker 是否尽心尽力,是否及时回你的电话和电邮,
能否主动和你联系。这是个态度,也是服务质量和专业水准. 电话要打得通,本人要找
得到!
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