x*u
3 楼
司机肯定没看见。 否则就是谋杀。
E*y
6 楼
坑?如果不是的话,只想说头脑发热的人从来都是成事不足败事有余
c*s
10 楼
Because the driver has committed the crime, there should be the police and
the law punish him (let's suppose there are) . But there is no law to deal
with people who are 见死不救, police cannot arrest them just because they
didn't save the little girl. So I think the propaganda will have to
criticize or condemn them.
【在 e********e 的大作中提到】
: 事情有轻重缓急有priority的,liability也有大小的。
: 我很奇怪的是,为什么看到这个新闻的第一反应是18人,而不是司机?
:
: driver
the law punish him (let's suppose there are) . But there is no law to deal
with people who are 见死不救, police cannot arrest them just because they
didn't save the little girl. So I think the propaganda will have to
criticize or condemn them.
【在 e********e 的大作中提到】
: 事情有轻重缓急有priority的,liability也有大小的。
: 我很奇怪的是,为什么看到这个新闻的第一反应是18人,而不是司机?
:
: driver
e*e
11 楼
no offense, propaganda is usually used in a negative way.
【在 c*******s 的大作中提到】
: Because the driver has committed the crime, there should be the police and
: the law punish him (let's suppose there are) . But there is no law to deal
: with people who are 见死不救, police cannot arrest them just because they
: didn't save the little girl. So I think the propaganda will have to
: criticize or condemn them.
【在 c*******s 的大作中提到】
: Because the driver has committed the crime, there should be the police and
: the law punish him (let's suppose there are) . But there is no law to deal
: with people who are 见死不救, police cannot arrest them just because they
: didn't save the little girl. So I think the propaganda will have to
: criticize or condemn them.
n*h
13 楼
因为中国社会就是一个对生命很漠视, 对人权很漠视的. 当你自以为争议来随便诅咒人
家死的时候, 你在为这个漠视的社会添砖加瓦. 你起到了推波助澜的作用.
那18个人也是别人的父母, 也是别人的孩子, 就算他们做错了, 是不是就罪至于死? 至
少在中国的法律来看, 他们都是无罪的. 你想一想为啥你会把在法律上无罪的人判了死
刑吧, 想一想如果你的话能成为现实, 这些人的家庭会怎样.
【在 x******u 的大作中提到】
: 不是又怎摸样。不是就可以不管吗?我承认我的说法过激,实在是看了新闻太气氛了。
: 但是这则新闻难道不吝人发指吗?
: 怎摸会有这样的人。无法让我这样“对别人生命的漠视和冷酷”的人理解。尤其是身为
: 人母。这种事是无法接受的。
家死的时候, 你在为这个漠视的社会添砖加瓦. 你起到了推波助澜的作用.
那18个人也是别人的父母, 也是别人的孩子, 就算他们做错了, 是不是就罪至于死? 至
少在中国的法律来看, 他们都是无罪的. 你想一想为啥你会把在法律上无罪的人判了死
刑吧, 想一想如果你的话能成为现实, 这些人的家庭会怎样.
【在 x******u 的大作中提到】
: 不是又怎摸样。不是就可以不管吗?我承认我的说法过激,实在是看了新闻太气氛了。
: 但是这则新闻难道不吝人发指吗?
: 怎摸会有这样的人。无法让我这样“对别人生命的漠视和冷酷”的人理解。尤其是身为
: 人母。这种事是无法接受的。
x*u
16 楼
c*s
17 楼
huh? don't know what you are referring to. This is my judgment. I think what
they did was wrong. Whatever the excuses they had won't overcome the fact
that they left the little girl suffering and dying on the ground. There
might not be any law out there to punish them, but I think I have the right to make
my own judgment whether that is wrong or right.
【在 e********e 的大作中提到】
: then you admit that you cannot stand on an impartial position.
they did was wrong. Whatever the excuses they had won't overcome the fact
that they left the little girl suffering and dying on the ground. There
might not be any law out there to punish them, but I think I have the right to make
my own judgment whether that is wrong or right.
【在 e********e 的大作中提到】
: then you admit that you cannot stand on an impartial position.
I*s
18 楼
这个算不算诅咒?不觉得很过分吗?
“发信人: ot (越老越无奈), 信区: NextGeneration
标 题: Re: 见死不救的人都混蛋!!
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Mon Oct 17 22:13:13 2011, 美东)
嗯,我看你通篇同情见死不救,衷心祝愿你和你家人被见死不救,你还不能批评别人。
只能同情大众的难处。
【在 n********h 的大作中提到】
: 因为中国社会就是一个对生命很漠视, 对人权很漠视的. 当你自以为争议来随便诅咒人
: 家死的时候, 你在为这个漠视的社会添砖加瓦. 你起到了推波助澜的作用.
: 那18个人也是别人的父母, 也是别人的孩子, 就算他们做错了, 是不是就罪至于死? 至
: 少在中国的法律来看, 他们都是无罪的. 你想一想为啥你会把在法律上无罪的人判了死
: 刑吧, 想一想如果你的话能成为现实, 这些人的家庭会怎样.
“发信人: ot (越老越无奈), 信区: NextGeneration
标 题: Re: 见死不救的人都混蛋!!
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Mon Oct 17 22:13:13 2011, 美东)
嗯,我看你通篇同情见死不救,衷心祝愿你和你家人被见死不救,你还不能批评别人。
只能同情大众的难处。
【在 n********h 的大作中提到】
: 因为中国社会就是一个对生命很漠视, 对人权很漠视的. 当你自以为争议来随便诅咒人
: 家死的时候, 你在为这个漠视的社会添砖加瓦. 你起到了推波助澜的作用.
: 那18个人也是别人的父母, 也是别人的孩子, 就算他们做错了, 是不是就罪至于死? 至
: 少在中国的法律来看, 他们都是无罪的. 你想一想为啥你会把在法律上无罪的人判了死
: 刑吧, 想一想如果你的话能成为现实, 这些人的家庭会怎样.
e*e
19 楼
judgment is easy to make, and although i do not agree with what you say, I
strongly defend your right to say it.
what
make
【在 c*******s 的大作中提到】
: huh? don't know what you are referring to. This is my judgment. I think what
: they did was wrong. Whatever the excuses they had won't overcome the fact
: that they left the little girl suffering and dying on the ground. There
: might not be any law out there to punish them, but I think I have the right to make
: my own judgment whether that is wrong or right.
strongly defend your right to say it.
what
make
【在 c*******s 的大作中提到】
: huh? don't know what you are referring to. This is my judgment. I think what
: they did was wrong. Whatever the excuses they had won't overcome the fact
: that they left the little girl suffering and dying on the ground. There
: might not be any law out there to punish them, but I think I have the right to make
: my own judgment whether that is wrong or right.
c*s
20 楼
some judgments are not easy to make, but for this one, it is pretty easy.
When a life is worth saving, you try your best to save it. They may not
deserve to die, but they deserve to be criticized.
【在 e********e 的大作中提到】
: judgment is easy to make, and although i do not agree with what you say, I
: strongly defend your right to say it.
:
: what
: make
When a life is worth saving, you try your best to save it. They may not
deserve to die, but they deserve to be criticized.
【在 e********e 的大作中提到】
: judgment is easy to make, and although i do not agree with what you say, I
: strongly defend your right to say it.
:
: what
: make
e*e
21 楼
too simple, sometimes naive
I am replying to what lz said, lz does not simply criticize those people,
she said those people deserve to die. If you said that they should not
stand by and do nothing, I totally agree. I never deny this. The point is,
what they did has its reason, and the reason is not just on themselves. If
some people did something which is not right but understandable, we need
to find out why.
easy.
【在 c*******s 的大作中提到】
: some judgments are not easy to make, but for this one, it is pretty easy.
: When a life is worth saving, you try your best to save it. They may not
: deserve to die, but they deserve to be criticized.
I am replying to what lz said, lz does not simply criticize those people,
she said those people deserve to die. If you said that they should not
stand by and do nothing, I totally agree. I never deny this. The point is,
what they did has its reason, and the reason is not just on themselves. If
some people did something which is not right but understandable, we need
to find out why.
easy.
【在 c*******s 的大作中提到】
: some judgments are not easy to make, but for this one, it is pretty easy.
: When a life is worth saving, you try your best to save it. They may not
: deserve to die, but they deserve to be criticized.
x*u
23 楼
看晕了。越老越无奈是谁?
恢复northbeach
我觉的你这个人不讲道理。我是不是正义的人,我不评价。 但是我有对社会糟粕批评
的自由。难道如你所说,没捐钱的人就不可以有资格批评对此事不满?是不是所有电视
报纸里的记者们都捐过钱了?
【在 n********h 的大作中提到】
: 因为中国社会就是一个对生命很漠视, 对人权很漠视的. 当你自以为争议来随便诅咒人
: 家死的时候, 你在为这个漠视的社会添砖加瓦. 你起到了推波助澜的作用.
: 那18个人也是别人的父母, 也是别人的孩子, 就算他们做错了, 是不是就罪至于死? 至
: 少在中国的法律来看, 他们都是无罪的. 你想一想为啥你会把在法律上无罪的人判了死
: 刑吧, 想一想如果你的话能成为现实, 这些人的家庭会怎样.
恢复northbeach
我觉的你这个人不讲道理。我是不是正义的人,我不评价。 但是我有对社会糟粕批评
的自由。难道如你所说,没捐钱的人就不可以有资格批评对此事不满?是不是所有电视
报纸里的记者们都捐过钱了?
【在 n********h 的大作中提到】
: 因为中国社会就是一个对生命很漠视, 对人权很漠视的. 当你自以为争议来随便诅咒人
: 家死的时候, 你在为这个漠视的社会添砖加瓦. 你起到了推波助澜的作用.
: 那18个人也是别人的父母, 也是别人的孩子, 就算他们做错了, 是不是就罪至于死? 至
: 少在中国的法律来看, 他们都是无罪的. 你想一想为啥你会把在法律上无罪的人判了死
: 刑吧, 想一想如果你的话能成为现实, 这些人的家庭会怎样.
c*s
25 楼
oh, I understand all the reasons out there which might influence them to
make that inhuman decision. what I don't understand is, as HUMAN BEING, when
they saw a little girl suffering and dying on the ground, how could they
just walk away and not even try to help. Those IFs should not have
overpowered the basic morality of a human being. Anyway, they should be
criticized because what they did was wrong and inhuman!!!!!
【在 e********e 的大作中提到】
: too simple, sometimes naive
: I am replying to what lz said, lz does not simply criticize those people,
: she said those people deserve to die. If you said that they should not
: stand by and do nothing, I totally agree. I never deny this. The point is,
: what they did has its reason, and the reason is not just on themselves. If
: some people did something which is not right but understandable, we need
: to find out why.
:
: easy.
make that inhuman decision. what I don't understand is, as HUMAN BEING, when
they saw a little girl suffering and dying on the ground, how could they
just walk away and not even try to help. Those IFs should not have
overpowered the basic morality of a human being. Anyway, they should be
criticized because what they did was wrong and inhuman!!!!!
【在 e********e 的大作中提到】
: too simple, sometimes naive
: I am replying to what lz said, lz does not simply criticize those people,
: she said those people deserve to die. If you said that they should not
: stand by and do nothing, I totally agree. I never deny this. The point is,
: what they did has its reason, and the reason is not just on themselves. If
: some people did something which is not right but understandable, we need
: to find out why.
:
: easy.
e*e
26 楼
呵呵,宣传教育失败,我去其他楼里灌水啦。
when
【在 c*******s 的大作中提到】
: oh, I understand all the reasons out there which might influence them to
: make that inhuman decision. what I don't understand is, as HUMAN BEING, when
: they saw a little girl suffering and dying on the ground, how could they
: just walk away and not even try to help. Those IFs should not have
: overpowered the basic morality of a human being. Anyway, they should be
: criticized because what they did was wrong and inhuman!!!!!
when
【在 c*******s 的大作中提到】
: oh, I understand all the reasons out there which might influence them to
: make that inhuman decision. what I don't understand is, as HUMAN BEING, when
: they saw a little girl suffering and dying on the ground, how could they
: just walk away and not even try to help. Those IFs should not have
: overpowered the basic morality of a human being. Anyway, they should be
: criticized because what they did was wrong and inhuman!!!!!
E*y
27 楼
when they saw a little girl suffering and dying on the ground
You cannot believe your eyes. It may not be what you think. 好像你明明在路上
捡了一把票子,旁边的人想跟你分赃,你敢拿吗
You cannot believe your eyes. It may not be what you think. 好像你明明在路上
捡了一把票子,旁边的人想跟你分赃,你敢拿吗
I*s
32 楼
下面这些就是你所谓的开脱吗?
说实话看了你那么多个发言,我对你的逻辑比较无语。我的帖子也请你以后不要回了。
我跟你辩论不起。虽然只是嘴上说说,我也不希望自己和亲人被人诅咒到死。
放心,你的帖子我会自动回避,惹不起躲得起。
“我不觉得是在给那些路人找借口,只是从社会整个大环境的角度来讨论这个问题。毕
竟这是极其让人痛心愤怒的事件,没有任何一个人希望它发生。每个人都希望那个小女
孩能在第一时间被救治,这是毋庸置疑的。
但是,连着一十八个人都选择漠然的走开,带给人们的震动是巨大的,不得不让我们更
深的反思这个社会。这已经不仅仅是个别人道德沦丧,人性泯灭的问题了。这个社会的
价值观被扭曲的太严重了。
谴责那些人固然容易固然解气。但是正如北滩说的“现在应该做的, 是给彭宇翻案”,
如果能够通过舆论的力量,驱使这个社会这个国家能在法律和制度上给予普通大众基本
的保障,我觉得比谩骂诅咒更有意义,也只有这样,才能从根本上杜绝这种惨剧的再次
发生。那些漠然的过路人,也只是这个悲哀社会的体制下的替罪羊。骂他们,解决不了
根本问题。”
还是这个?
“我针对的是LZ提的口号“老吾老以及人之老,幼吾幼以及人之幼。”并不是引用小悦
悦的事情。看帖子要仔细。
不要说是我自己的亲朋好友,任何一个人倒地需要救助,我都诚心希望能有人上前帮一
把。这里每一个发帖讨论的人,我相信大家都是这么想的。
但是他们选择不帮选择漠视,我也无能为力。因为这个社会,这个制度是这么的病态扭
曲。我痛恨这样的价值观,更痛恨造成大众这种价值观的社会。我只希望舆论导向能够
从根本上做些有意义的事情,直指法制改革健全,给有良知的人们一个保障。给那些利
用人们善心谋取钱财的人们严厉的制裁。
我不会随便诅咒谁死,更不会把人家的家人也带上一起诅咒。
人在做,天在看,你说的很对。
还有,在国内,救死扶伤已经不再是“一个举手之劳、力所能及的义举”,这很悲哀,
很不幸,这也是事实。
我希望小悦悦的悲剧能够唤醒国人的沉默。也希望她能挺过这一关,一定要活下去,给
大家,给这个社会一个弥补她的机会。”
【在 ot 的大作中提到】
: BTW, 你在另一个贴里非给那十八个人开脱,还要苦口婆心的给我们这些提倡救人的
: 辩理。我想采访你一下,如果你小孩被撞,你觉得大家应该报个警么?
说实话看了你那么多个发言,我对你的逻辑比较无语。我的帖子也请你以后不要回了。
我跟你辩论不起。虽然只是嘴上说说,我也不希望自己和亲人被人诅咒到死。
放心,你的帖子我会自动回避,惹不起躲得起。
“我不觉得是在给那些路人找借口,只是从社会整个大环境的角度来讨论这个问题。毕
竟这是极其让人痛心愤怒的事件,没有任何一个人希望它发生。每个人都希望那个小女
孩能在第一时间被救治,这是毋庸置疑的。
但是,连着一十八个人都选择漠然的走开,带给人们的震动是巨大的,不得不让我们更
深的反思这个社会。这已经不仅仅是个别人道德沦丧,人性泯灭的问题了。这个社会的
价值观被扭曲的太严重了。
谴责那些人固然容易固然解气。但是正如北滩说的“现在应该做的, 是给彭宇翻案”,
如果能够通过舆论的力量,驱使这个社会这个国家能在法律和制度上给予普通大众基本
的保障,我觉得比谩骂诅咒更有意义,也只有这样,才能从根本上杜绝这种惨剧的再次
发生。那些漠然的过路人,也只是这个悲哀社会的体制下的替罪羊。骂他们,解决不了
根本问题。”
还是这个?
“我针对的是LZ提的口号“老吾老以及人之老,幼吾幼以及人之幼。”并不是引用小悦
悦的事情。看帖子要仔细。
不要说是我自己的亲朋好友,任何一个人倒地需要救助,我都诚心希望能有人上前帮一
把。这里每一个发帖讨论的人,我相信大家都是这么想的。
但是他们选择不帮选择漠视,我也无能为力。因为这个社会,这个制度是这么的病态扭
曲。我痛恨这样的价值观,更痛恨造成大众这种价值观的社会。我只希望舆论导向能够
从根本上做些有意义的事情,直指法制改革健全,给有良知的人们一个保障。给那些利
用人们善心谋取钱财的人们严厉的制裁。
我不会随便诅咒谁死,更不会把人家的家人也带上一起诅咒。
人在做,天在看,你说的很对。
还有,在国内,救死扶伤已经不再是“一个举手之劳、力所能及的义举”,这很悲哀,
很不幸,这也是事实。
我希望小悦悦的悲剧能够唤醒国人的沉默。也希望她能挺过这一关,一定要活下去,给
大家,给这个社会一个弥补她的机会。”
【在 ot 的大作中提到】
: BTW, 你在另一个贴里非给那十八个人开脱,还要苦口婆心的给我们这些提倡救人的
: 辩理。我想采访你一下,如果你小孩被撞,你觉得大家应该报个警么?
e*e
33 楼
mm,我又想了想。
你这么气愤确实有你的道理,这样的情况,的确会让人感叹道德低下,人心不古。
不过我不会轻易评价说一个人没有人性,我更加愿意从他人的角度来思考他们是怎么想
的,他们为什么这么想,为什么这么做。设身处地是一件很难的事情,所以会有“冷暖
自知”这个词。
when
【在 c*******s 的大作中提到】
: oh, I understand all the reasons out there which might influence them to
: make that inhuman decision. what I don't understand is, as HUMAN BEING, when
: they saw a little girl suffering and dying on the ground, how could they
: just walk away and not even try to help. Those IFs should not have
: overpowered the basic morality of a human being. Anyway, they should be
: criticized because what they did was wrong and inhuman!!!!!
你这么气愤确实有你的道理,这样的情况,的确会让人感叹道德低下,人心不古。
不过我不会轻易评价说一个人没有人性,我更加愿意从他人的角度来思考他们是怎么想
的,他们为什么这么想,为什么这么做。设身处地是一件很难的事情,所以会有“冷暖
自知”这个词。
when
【在 c*******s 的大作中提到】
: oh, I understand all the reasons out there which might influence them to
: make that inhuman decision. what I don't understand is, as HUMAN BEING, when
: they saw a little girl suffering and dying on the ground, how could they
: just walk away and not even try to help. Those IFs should not have
: overpowered the basic morality of a human being. Anyway, they should be
: criticized because what they did was wrong and inhuman!!!!!
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