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n*m2014-01-03 08:01

1 楼

It is NOT a crime to ask for money regardless your actual finance situation.
One could pay you the money as a gift money or as some claimed that it was
a buying. It is also fine that you want other to give money to you.
There was an important point that a lot of people ignored.
LilyKang claimed that money giving to her was donation and even was
qualified for tax return. LilyKang might have made tremendous trouble!
If you did consider claiming that in your tax return, I would recommend you
think twice about that. It could be a crime for you to do so.
Lily Kang, if you have extablished a legal charity fund, please reveal your
tax ID and organization number. That information is required for filing tax
return. If you do not have anything substantial, just say so. This is to
save your and a lot of kind people a lot of trouble.
A lot of charity and fund could not distribute money freely to individual.
They could only provide assistance in form of food, gifts and shelters.
There is strict regulation on how charity should use the donation.
I am very curious how LilyKang could manage to get her fund approved in such
a short time. As far as I know, getting charity fun approval is a time
consuming process.
After all, please respect different opinions. Calling others name simply
because they opt NOT to donate is NOT showing you are nice persons.

l*s2014-01-03 08:01

2 楼

大麻烦哈

r*a2014-01-03 08:01

3 楼

good point!!!

situation.
you
your
tax

【在 n****m 的大作中提到】

: It is NOT a crime to ask for money regardless your actual finance situation.
: One could pay you the money as a gift money or as some claimed that it was
: a buying. It is also fine that you want other to give money to you.
: There was an important point that a lot of people ignored.
: LilyKang claimed that money giving to her was donation and even was
: qualified for tax return. LilyKang might have made tremendous trouble!
: If you did consider claiming that in your tax return, I would recommend you
: think twice about that. It could be a crime for you to do so.
: Lily Kang, if you have extablished a legal charity fund, please reveal your
: tax ID and organization number. That information is required for filing tax

h*o2014-01-03 08:01

4 楼

嗯，这个问题上次就有讨论了，不过没讲这么细。
我后来在网上去搜了一下，好象美国人碰到这种 community 里个别家庭需要帮助的，
比如家庭突然遭到变故，或者火灾水灾，会大家帮忙设一个 trust fund，专门就是给
这一家或几家人用的，再写个使用办法，然后大家都往这个 trust fund 里捐钱。
trust 和 charity fund 应该有很大的不同。charity 是 for public good，不是为特
别的人（当然最后可能是落实到个别人，但整体的目标，不是救助特定的人），是对政
府这个从事公共事务的 entity 的补充，所以免税。
捐到 trust fund 的钱，能不能免税，我是没查过。当时有一段讲公司雇员捐款的
matching gifts，这个捐到 trust fund 一般是不可能给 match 的。
不过，当时没讲到 trust fund，是说当地的 ACCEF，一家成立多年的慈善机构（有免
税的资格），给成立了一个专项的小孩教育的基金，让大家往那儿捐。慈善机构一般不
能设立一个什么基金，指定特别给某人或某家庭用。如果 ACCEF 这样做的话，可能是
会有问题的。如果再跟大家说大家捐到这个基金里的钱可以找公司 match，这个就更误
导了。
我不知道具体的情况是不是公开讲的这样，只能就公开看到的情况来评论一下。

situation.
you
your
tax

【在 n****m 的大作中提到】

n*m2014-01-03 08:01

5 楼

So long as I know, trust fund could not be counted as tax deductable.
A lot of people open trust fund just to avoid paying tax second time when
their children inherit the money. However the money put into the trust fund
should be taxed.
The same for gift money. Gift money was taxed so the receiver does not need
to pay tax again within certain amount.

【在 h**o 的大作中提到】

: 嗯，这个问题上次就有讨论了，不过没讲这么细。
: 我后来在网上去搜了一下，好象美国人碰到这种 community 里个别家庭需要帮助的，
: 比如家庭突然遭到变故，或者火灾水灾，会大家帮忙设一个 trust fund，专门就是给
: 这一家或几家人用的，再写个使用办法，然后大家都往这个 trust fund 里捐钱。
: trust 和 charity fund 应该有很大的不同。charity 是 for public good，不是为特
: 别的人（当然最后可能是落实到个别人，但整体的目标，不是救助特定的人），是对政
: 府这个从事公共事务的 entity 的补充，所以免税。
: 捐到 trust fund 的钱，能不能免税，我是没查过。当时有一段讲公司雇员捐款的
: matching gifts，这个捐到 trust fund 一般是不可能给 match 的。
: 不过，当时没讲到 trust fund，是说当地的 ACCEF，一家成立多年的慈善机构（有免

K*i2014-01-03 08:01

6 楼

你这还真挺有信息量的，赞！

【在 h**o 的大作中提到】

j*h2014-01-03 08:01

7 楼

Kang claimed the donation to her personally is tax deductible?
If she did, it is not correct. This kind of donation to a person directly is
considered as gift. Donee has no reporting requirement, does not matter the
amount of money she receives. Donor might have reporting requirement. Only
donation to tax exempt organization is tax dedutible.
You said "so the receiver does not need to pay tax again within certain
amount" I am not sure you really understand gift tax law. donee was never
taxed.

fund
need

【在 n****m 的大作中提到】

: So long as I know, trust fund could not be counted as tax deductable.
: A lot of people open trust fund just to avoid paying tax second time when
: their children inherit the money. However the money put into the trust fund
: should be taxed.
: The same for gift money. Gift money was taxed so the receiver does not need
: to pay tax again within certain amount.

j*h2014-01-03 08:01

8 楼

also "just to avoid paying tax second time when their children inherit the
money"
you have to pay tax second time unless it is within unified gift tax credit
amout. it is called estate tax. people set up trust, not to avoid estate
trust. because in most case, money transfered into the trust is considered
gift and subject gift tax reporting anyway. no way you can avoid it. but ppl
can do estate planning. say they set up trust, transfer appreciation assets
into the trust. so the amount appreciated over the year inside the trust
will not subject to the estate tax. and most ppl set up trust in order to
avoid probate court.

is
the
Only

【在 j******h 的大作中提到】

: Kang claimed the donation to her personally is tax deductible?
: If she did, it is not correct. This kind of donation to a person directly is
: considered as gift. Donee has no reporting requirement, does not matter the
: amount of money she receives. Donor might have reporting requirement. Only
: donation to tax exempt organization is tax dedutible.
: You said "so the receiver does not need to pay tax again within certain
: amount" I am not sure you really understand gift tax law. donee was never
: taxed.
:
: fund

j*h2014-01-03 08:01

9 楼

regarding this, a church, as a qualified tax exempt organization may set up
a fund for the ppl in need, say a love fund. in general it can NOT specify
whom the fund is for. However, I assume members of a church will know whom
the fund is for at certain time. donation to church is tax deductible.
Same thing for other tax exempt organizations, say OCEF. they may do the
same. all 501(b) are required to file 990. and you can find their 990 online
.
a question to op, when did Kang say donation to her is tax deductible? does
she mean donation through some tax exempt organization? If so (taxpayer
donated through tax exempt organization to Kang), it is tax deductible. but
donation to her directly is gift, not tax deductible.

【在 h**o 的大作中提到】

h*o2014-01-03 08:01

10 楼

不敢当，不被你泼米田共很知足了

【在 K**********i 的大作中提到】

: 你这还真挺有信息量的，赞！

K*i2014-01-03 08:01

11 楼

他们说你也是做慈善的，是么？
那我真有点失望了。

【在 h**o 的大作中提到】

: 不敢当，不被你泼米田共很知足了

h*o2014-01-03 08:01

12 楼

哈哈，多谢轮回忘了我
可息轮回这么聪明的人，是个先入为主，一叶障目的一根筋

【在 K**********i 的大作中提到】

: 他们说你也是做慈善的，是么？
: 那我真有点失望了。

K*i2014-01-03 08:01

13 楼

我是真忘了。
不过没事儿，你又不骂人。

【在 h**o 的大作中提到】

: 哈哈，多谢轮回忘了我
: 可息轮回这么聪明的人，是个先入为主，一叶障目的一根筋

w*02014-01-03 08:01

14 楼

好长的英文啊，不能中文么中文么。碎碎念。话说人家后面有高人指点的。你不用太操
心的。

h*o2014-01-03 08:01

15 楼

一家机构通过这种大家都心照不宣的办法来帮助一家人，省几个税，其实是不大应该的。

up
online
does
but

【在 j******h 的大作中提到】

: regarding this, a church, as a qualified tax exempt organization may set up
: a fund for the ppl in need, say a love fund. in general it can NOT specify
: whom the fund is for. However, I assume members of a church will know whom
: the fund is for at certain time. donation to church is tax deductible.
: Same thing for other tax exempt organizations, say OCEF. they may do the
: same. all 501(b) are required to file 990. and you can find their 990 online
: .
: a question to op, when did Kang say donation to her is tax deductible? does
: she mean donation through some tax exempt organization? If so (taxpayer
: donated through tax exempt organization to Kang), it is tax deductible. but

K*i2014-01-03 08:01

16 楼

呵呵，这事儿，我还真是有个转变过程。
我是逐步从康粉转变到康黑的。

【在 h**o 的大作中提到】

: 哈哈，多谢轮回忘了我
: 可息轮回这么聪明的人，是个先入为主，一叶障目的一根筋

j*h2014-01-03 08:01

17 楼

you meant 省几个税, 其实是不大应该的?
all i have to say is i support any means to save some tax for middle class.
If you could donate to people you want to help through tax exempt
organization, by all means, do it.

的。

【在 h**o 的大作中提到】

: 一家机构通过这种大家都心照不宣的办法来帮助一家人，省几个税，其实是不大应该的。
:
: up
: online
: does
: but

h*o2014-01-03 08:01

18 楼

个人的价值，和机构的价值，应该有所不同。我讲的不是个人。

.

【在 j******h 的大作中提到】

: you meant 省几个税, 其实是不大应该的?
: all i have to say is i support any means to save some tax for middle class.
: If you could donate to people you want to help through tax exempt
: organization, by all means, do it.
:
: 的。

j*h2014-01-03 08:01

19 楼

maybe we look at this from different point of view. are you talking about
the possibility the organization lose 501(c) status? anyway, i don't know.
but i felt that those charitable organization is set up to benefit ppl need
help. as long as ppl got help, why not cut a break to ppl who donate . win-
win :)

【在 h**o 的大作中提到】

: 个人的价值，和机构的价值，应该有所不同。我讲的不是个人。
:
: .

h*o2014-01-03 08:01

20 楼

好心很容易被滥用，滥用的多了，好心就越来越少。
出于好意的宽松政策也很容易被滥用，滥用的多了，政策也就会越来越严重，真正应当
通过这些政策受益的人，就会失去受益的机会。

need

【在 j******h 的大作中提到】

: maybe we look at this from different point of view. are you talking about
: the possibility the organization lose 501(c) status? anyway, i don't know.
: but i felt that those charitable organization is set up to benefit ppl need
: help. as long as ppl got help, why not cut a break to ppl who donate . win-
: win :)

h*o2014-01-03 08:01

21 楼

我不是讲康粉康黑，是讲你对慈善机构的认识一叶障目

【在 K**********i 的大作中提到】

: 呵呵，这事儿，我还真是有个转变过程。
: 我是逐步从康粉转变到康黑的。

C*r2014-01-03 08:01

22 楼

简言之，不能因为有3rd party从中牟利，就停止捐钱了。

【在 h**o 的大作中提到】

: 我不是讲康粉康黑，是讲你对慈善机构的认识一叶障目

h*o2014-01-03 08:01

23 楼

你这个春秋笔法，也不差 Lily Kang

【在 C**********r 的大作中提到】

:
: 简言之，不能因为有3rd party从中牟利，就停止捐钱了。