Ferguson# Parenting - 为人父母
d*g
1 楼
黑白分明。这么多年了，美国解决不了这个社会问题。。
这要是习总。。
说到底是教育。俺们白领养娃都捉襟见肘。人家黑领咋整？我都替他们捉急。。
看俺现在这个公司，就没几个黑人。黑人的工作差，养娃也差。
美国的教育体制有问题。。
这要是习总。。
说到底是教育。俺们白领养娃都捉襟见肘。人家黑领咋整？我都替他们捉急。。
看俺现在这个公司，就没几个黑人。黑人的工作差，养娃也差。
美国的教育体制有问题。。
d*g
2 楼
美国人文科学牛叉。从法律到社会学。比起中国的洗脑宣传强太多。
然而有什么用。这么基本的社会学课题。多少社会学教授。多少高等学府。研究一个头
，到最后屁用没有。
所有藤校的人文科学系的教授可以集体自宫了。
太多的东西最后是个利益二字。别的都是空!
天下顶没用就是秀才。
然而有什么用。这么基本的社会学课题。多少社会学教授。多少高等学府。研究一个头
，到最后屁用没有。
所有藤校的人文科学系的教授可以集体自宫了。
太多的东西最后是个利益二字。别的都是空!
天下顶没用就是秀才。
d*g
3 楼
回国探亲。看国内高楼林立。人口密度大啊。交通污染问题多。
真要是做飞机。你看一片片的绿地荒地，没有人烟。北京郊区，开车出去，就是座座野
山。没人。这要是美国，早都别墅栋栋。
觉得有意思，一撮人在东边发展，建成了钢筋水泥的密集蚁穴。一撮人西边发展，建成
了平平铺开的郊区网络。。
可但是，就是这地理距离，造就了资源的分散。贫得以不好扶，亦缘于此。
真要是做飞机。你看一片片的绿地荒地，没有人烟。北京郊区，开车出去，就是座座野
山。没人。这要是美国，早都别墅栋栋。
觉得有意思，一撮人在东边发展，建成了钢筋水泥的密集蚁穴。一撮人西边发展，建成
了平平铺开的郊区网络。。
可但是，就是这地理距离，造就了资源的分散。贫得以不好扶，亦缘于此。
k*m
4 楼
这几天看新闻，看到一个评论：
记不全了，翻译过来大概是：
很多亚裔孩子小时候都不会说英文
但等到他们高中时，已经是优等生
他们怎么做到的
他们努力生活努力学习
记不全了，翻译过来大概是：
很多亚裔孩子小时候都不会说英文
但等到他们高中时，已经是优等生
他们怎么做到的
他们努力生活努力学习
d*g
5 楼
你是说中国城的黑户保姆，还是高科技移民？
【在 k****m 的大作中提到】
: 这几天看新闻，看到一个评论：
: 记不全了，翻译过来大概是：
: 很多亚裔孩子小时候都不会说英文
: 但等到他们高中时，已经是优等生
: 他们怎么做到的
: 他们努力生活努力学习
【在 k****m 的大作中提到】
: 这几天看新闻，看到一个评论：
: 记不全了，翻译过来大概是：
: 很多亚裔孩子小时候都不会说英文
: 但等到他们高中时，已经是优等生
: 他们怎么做到的
: 他们努力生活努力学习
k*m
6 楼
无论哪一种
能有人家的英文溜
无论哪一种
都是把孩子的教育放在首位
无论哪一种
都是希望后辈过得比自己好
【在 d****g 的大作中提到】
: 你是说中国城的黑户保姆，还是高科技移民？
能有人家的英文溜
无论哪一种
都是把孩子的教育放在首位
无论哪一种
都是希望后辈过得比自己好
【在 d****g 的大作中提到】
: 你是说中国城的黑户保姆，还是高科技移民？
s*1
7 楼
美国的福利养穷人就是妇人之仁，没有远见，其实是一种溺爱，对于黑人也是一种伤害
。
。
d*g
8 楼
Solve the problem!
k*m
9 楼
生活中，认识一些有教养的非洲裔
他们对孩子的教育，也是很重视的
对孩子的行为教养甚至到了严苛的地步
完全不让孩子去沾惹一点恶习
因为，他们知道，这个社会有偏见
加上他们的肤色，如果不严于律己，真的会被看扁
那么这个社会偏见
是如何形成的呢？
就像是为啥看到亚裔孩子就想到书呆子呢？
他们对孩子的教育，也是很重视的
对孩子的行为教养甚至到了严苛的地步
完全不让孩子去沾惹一点恶习
因为，他们知道，这个社会有偏见
加上他们的肤色，如果不严于律己，真的会被看扁
那么这个社会偏见
是如何形成的呢？
就像是为啥看到亚裔孩子就想到书呆子呢？
s*1
10 楼
偏见不偏见真的是无所谓。人毕竟还是在生活工作中证明自己，就算有偏见，时间久了
大家就明白是什么样的人了，偏见自然就消除了。
【在 k****m 的大作中提到】
: 生活中，认识一些有教养的非洲裔
: 他们对孩子的教育，也是很重视的
: 对孩子的行为教养甚至到了严苛的地步
: 完全不让孩子去沾惹一点恶习
: 因为，他们知道，这个社会有偏见
: 加上他们的肤色，如果不严于律己，真的会被看扁
: 那么这个社会偏见
: 是如何形成的呢？
: 就像是为啥看到亚裔孩子就想到书呆子呢？
大家就明白是什么样的人了，偏见自然就消除了。
【在 k****m 的大作中提到】
: 生活中，认识一些有教养的非洲裔
: 他们对孩子的教育，也是很重视的
: 对孩子的行为教养甚至到了严苛的地步
: 完全不让孩子去沾惹一点恶习
: 因为，他们知道，这个社会有偏见
: 加上他们的肤色，如果不严于律己，真的会被看扁
: 那么这个社会偏见
: 是如何形成的呢？
: 就像是为啥看到亚裔孩子就想到书呆子呢？
d*g
11 楼
Poor? Poor staying poor, that's even true in UK.
【在 k****m 的大作中提到】
: 生活中，认识一些有教养的非洲裔
: 他们对孩子的教育，也是很重视的
: 对孩子的行为教养甚至到了严苛的地步
: 完全不让孩子去沾惹一点恶习
: 因为，他们知道，这个社会有偏见
: 加上他们的肤色，如果不严于律己，真的会被看扁
: 那么这个社会偏见
: 是如何形成的呢？
: 就像是为啥看到亚裔孩子就想到书呆子呢？
【在 k****m 的大作中提到】
: 生活中，认识一些有教养的非洲裔
: 他们对孩子的教育，也是很重视的
: 对孩子的行为教养甚至到了严苛的地步
: 完全不让孩子去沾惹一点恶习
: 因为，他们知道，这个社会有偏见
: 加上他们的肤色，如果不严于律己，真的会被看扁
: 那么这个社会偏见
: 是如何形成的呢？
: 就像是为啥看到亚裔孩子就想到书呆子呢？
k*m
12 楼
社会偏见问题，就不是父母版讨论的内容了
父母版的讨论问题是：
遭遇了偏见，孩子应该怎么办
怎么把孩子培养的有足够强大的内心
【在 s**********1 的大作中提到】
: 偏见不偏见真的是无所谓。人毕竟还是在生活工作中证明自己，就算有偏见，时间久了
: 大家就明白是什么样的人了，偏见自然就消除了。
父母版的讨论问题是：
遭遇了偏见，孩子应该怎么办
怎么把孩子培养的有足够强大的内心
【在 s**********1 的大作中提到】
: 偏见不偏见真的是无所谓。人毕竟还是在生活工作中证明自己，就算有偏见，时间久了
: 大家就明白是什么样的人了，偏见自然就消除了。
k*m
13 楼
呵呵
这个问题，不是父母版应该讨论的问题
父母版应该讨论
我们穷，而要怎么上进
认识的人中，有的也不富裕
但孩子都很出色
【在 d****g 的大作中提到】
: Poor? Poor staying poor, that's even true in UK.
这个问题，不是父母版应该讨论的问题
父母版应该讨论
我们穷，而要怎么上进
认识的人中，有的也不富裕
但孩子都很出色
【在 d****g 的大作中提到】
: Poor? Poor staying poor, that's even true in UK.
u*a
14 楼
是近乎无解。
远的请看巴勒斯坦人和以色列人的世纪纠葛。谁对谁错？
近的看汉族和藏族/维吾尔族的冲突。谁对谁错？
中间请看俄罗斯人和乌克兰人的不和。谁对谁错？
种族问题，还没有找到合理且有效的解决办法。
远的请看巴勒斯坦人和以色列人的世纪纠葛。谁对谁错？
近的看汉族和藏族/维吾尔族的冲突。谁对谁错？
中间请看俄罗斯人和乌克兰人的不和。谁对谁错？
种族问题，还没有找到合理且有效的解决办法。
s*d
15 楼
1）学校惩罚学生黑人被罚太多，要按比例来。
2）黑人学生分数平均远低于亚裔，试卷判分要按人种normalize
3）大学招生不论公私一律必须AA
4）黑人穷人多，得到的社会福利不够，应该再多一些这样他们不用去抢。
5）监狱不得接受超过人口比例的黑人。
6)公司要按比例招收员工和提拔黑人。现在大公司黑人CEO太少，必须各
公司抓紧提拔一批。
这样就可以黑白平等了。
【在 d****g 的大作中提到】
: 黑白分明。这么多年了，美国解决不了这个社会问题。。
: 这要是习总。。
: 说到底是教育。俺们白领养娃都捉襟见肘。人家黑领咋整？我都替他们捉急。。
: 看俺现在这个公司，就没几个黑人。黑人的工作差，养娃也差。
: 美国的教育体制有问题。。
2）黑人学生分数平均远低于亚裔，试卷判分要按人种normalize
3）大学招生不论公私一律必须AA
4）黑人穷人多，得到的社会福利不够，应该再多一些这样他们不用去抢。
5）监狱不得接受超过人口比例的黑人。
6)公司要按比例招收员工和提拔黑人。现在大公司黑人CEO太少，必须各
公司抓紧提拔一批。
这样就可以黑白平等了。
【在 d****g 的大作中提到】
: 黑白分明。这么多年了，美国解决不了这个社会问题。。
: 这要是习总。。
: 说到底是教育。俺们白领养娃都捉襟见肘。人家黑领咋整？我都替他们捉急。。
: 看俺现在这个公司，就没几个黑人。黑人的工作差，养娃也差。
: 美国的教育体制有问题。。
g*g
16 楼
不要习总，Giuliani就搞定
黑人教育差，就生孩子早，生完养不了，就各种社会问题，恶性循环
【在 d****g 的大作中提到】
: 黑白分明。这么多年了，美国解决不了这个社会问题。。
: 这要是习总。。
: 说到底是教育。俺们白领养娃都捉襟见肘。人家黑领咋整？我都替他们捉急。。
: 看俺现在这个公司，就没几个黑人。黑人的工作差，养娃也差。
: 美国的教育体制有问题。。
黑人教育差，就生孩子早，生完养不了，就各种社会问题，恶性循环
【在 d****g 的大作中提到】
: 黑白分明。这么多年了，美国解决不了这个社会问题。。
: 这要是习总。。
: 说到底是教育。俺们白领养娃都捉襟见肘。人家黑领咋整？我都替他们捉急。。
: 看俺现在这个公司，就没几个黑人。黑人的工作差，养娃也差。
: 美国的教育体制有问题。。
t*h
17 楼
纽约时报官方报导都把白人警官的家庭住址发表出来了， 供黑人们报复用。
你说这个社会问题复杂不复杂？
这是你死我活的意识形态斗争。
【在 d****g 的大作中提到】
: 黑白分明。这么多年了，美国解决不了这个社会问题。。
: 这要是习总。。
: 说到底是教育。俺们白领养娃都捉襟见肘。人家黑领咋整？我都替他们捉急。。
: 看俺现在这个公司，就没几个黑人。黑人的工作差，养娃也差。
: 美国的教育体制有问题。。
你说这个社会问题复杂不复杂？
这是你死我活的意识形态斗争。
【在 d****g 的大作中提到】
: 黑白分明。这么多年了，美国解决不了这个社会问题。。
: 这要是习总。。
: 说到底是教育。俺们白领养娃都捉襟见肘。人家黑领咋整？我都替他们捉急。。
: 看俺现在这个公司，就没几个黑人。黑人的工作差，养娃也差。
: 美国的教育体制有问题。。
P*s
18 楼
然后有人把那俩记者的家庭住址也爆了。。。
【在 t***h 的大作中提到】
: 纽约时报官方报导都把白人警官的家庭住址发表出来了， 供黑人们报复用。
: 你说这个社会问题复杂不复杂？
: 这是你死我活的意识形态斗争。
【在 t***h 的大作中提到】
: 纽约时报官方报导都把白人警官的家庭住址发表出来了， 供黑人们报复用。
: 你说这个社会问题复杂不复杂？
: 这是你死我活的意识形态斗争。
t*h
19 楼
纽约时报是左派的旗舰报，
报导记者住址的是小网站， 不对等。
报完之后， twitter立即把这小网站的编辑的twitter账号给注销了。
【在 P***s 的大作中提到】
: 然后有人把那俩记者的家庭住址也爆了。。。
报导记者住址的是小网站， 不对等。
报完之后， twitter立即把这小网站的编辑的twitter账号给注销了。
【在 P***s 的大作中提到】
: 然后有人把那俩记者的家庭住址也爆了。。。
P*s
20 楼
虽然不对等，总比没人爆要强
威尔逊同学心还是挺大的，一个月前悄没声地结婚了。老婆比他大九岁！
【在 t***h 的大作中提到】
: 纽约时报是左派的旗舰报，
: 报导记者住址的是小网站， 不对等。
: 报完之后， twitter立即把这小网站的编辑的twitter账号给注销了。
威尔逊同学心还是挺大的，一个月前悄没声地结婚了。老婆比他大九岁！
【在 t***h 的大作中提到】
: 纽约时报是左派的旗舰报，
: 报导记者住址的是小网站， 不对等。
: 报完之后， twitter立即把这小网站的编辑的twitter账号给注销了。
t*h
21 楼
今天早上rush hour, ferguson protesters把圣迭哥最主要的一条高速公路
给拦住了，在高速上拉旗子抗议。
【在 d****g 的大作中提到】
: 黑白分明。这么多年了，美国解决不了这个社会问题。。
: 这要是习总。。
: 说到底是教育。俺们白领养娃都捉襟见肘。人家黑领咋整？我都替他们捉急。。
: 看俺现在这个公司，就没几个黑人。黑人的工作差，养娃也差。
: 美国的教育体制有问题。。
给拦住了，在高速上拉旗子抗议。
【在 d****g 的大作中提到】
: 黑白分明。这么多年了，美国解决不了这个社会问题。。
: 这要是习总。。
: 说到底是教育。俺们白领养娃都捉襟见肘。人家黑领咋整？我都替他们捉急。。
: 看俺现在这个公司，就没几个黑人。黑人的工作差，养娃也差。
: 美国的教育体制有问题。。
k*m
22 楼
别看有部分人闹腾
这次事件中，绝大部分人是支持警察的
只不过，这个大部分人都好好地在生活，不会去打砸抢，不会无聊的去游行引人关注
更不是一些无耻政客，去显眼捞资本
这几天逛新闻头条
下面的评论基本上是一边倒的，支持警官执法的
所以，警官同学不是心大，是真的周围的人支持保护
【在 P***s 的大作中提到】
: 虽然不对等，总比没人爆要强
: 威尔逊同学心还是挺大的，一个月前悄没声地结婚了。老婆比他大九岁！
这次事件中，绝大部分人是支持警察的
只不过，这个大部分人都好好地在生活，不会去打砸抢，不会无聊的去游行引人关注
更不是一些无耻政客，去显眼捞资本
这几天逛新闻头条
下面的评论基本上是一边倒的，支持警官执法的
所以，警官同学不是心大，是真的周围的人支持保护
【在 P***s 的大作中提到】
: 虽然不对等，总比没人爆要强
: 威尔逊同学心还是挺大的，一个月前悄没声地结婚了。老婆比他大九岁！
n*h
23 楼
黑人最大的问题是70%的孩子没有爸爸。很多黑人男孩子成长过程中，只有女性家长。
男孩没有父亲作榜样，自然就跟着街区里面大一些的孩子混。 这在AA之前，反倒不是
问题。因为那个时候种族隔离，黑人当中及时很有成就，很出色的，都必须住在黑人区
里。这些人成为社区里面的正面榜样。 但是AA之后，但凡有点儿出息的黑人，都会离
开黑人区。比如你奥巴马肯定不住在黑人区， 篮球明星比如科比，住NEＷＰＯＲＴ
ＢＥＡＣＨ， 非茶高大上的白人社区。 那些留在黑人区的，都是社会底层，边缘的
人，孩子在这样社区长大，自然就只能学坏。
黑人第二大问题就是底层的黑人被高层的黑人，和一些左逼白人当成人血馒头。比如像
奥巴马这样的，基本就是靠着皮肤当得总统。他的资历和能力，远不到当总统的地步。
小布什再差，州长还是做了很长时间，奥巴有啥。他靠的就是种族牌。所以，他其实要
维护这个。他其实希望底层的黑人不出息，不受教育，这样才比较容易被操作。而且这
些底层的黑人保证了他自己，他孩子的非黄腾达。比如，这次事件出来，一大堆有钱有
势的黑人跳出来说警察是ＥＶＩＬ。 大家可以想想，会对自己的孩子说这样的话吗？
如果是我，肯定会对孩子说，见了警察被反抗，老老实实地保命，真要是警察不公把你
抓了，我们再想办法。现在站出来说警察是ＥＶＩＬ，除了增加对立情绪，让更多的黑
人青年去送死，还能有啥好处？为啥就没有个黑人领袖说，警察抓你，你老实听话，被
抓了，我出钱，募捐替你找最好的律师，保证你有个公平的官司？因为他们舍不得自己
的钱和时间。他们这些高层黑人，就喜欢煽动矛盾，然后自己可以得利。
【在 d****g 的大作中提到】
: 黑白分明。这么多年了，美国解决不了这个社会问题。。
: 这要是习总。。
: 说到底是教育。俺们白领养娃都捉襟见肘。人家黑领咋整？我都替他们捉急。。
: 看俺现在这个公司，就没几个黑人。黑人的工作差，养娃也差。
: 美国的教育体制有问题。。
男孩没有父亲作榜样，自然就跟着街区里面大一些的孩子混。 这在AA之前，反倒不是
问题。因为那个时候种族隔离，黑人当中及时很有成就，很出色的，都必须住在黑人区
里。这些人成为社区里面的正面榜样。 但是AA之后，但凡有点儿出息的黑人，都会离
开黑人区。比如你奥巴马肯定不住在黑人区， 篮球明星比如科比，住NEＷＰＯＲＴ
ＢＥＡＣＨ， 非茶高大上的白人社区。 那些留在黑人区的，都是社会底层，边缘的
人，孩子在这样社区长大，自然就只能学坏。
黑人第二大问题就是底层的黑人被高层的黑人，和一些左逼白人当成人血馒头。比如像
奥巴马这样的，基本就是靠着皮肤当得总统。他的资历和能力，远不到当总统的地步。
小布什再差，州长还是做了很长时间，奥巴有啥。他靠的就是种族牌。所以，他其实要
维护这个。他其实希望底层的黑人不出息，不受教育，这样才比较容易被操作。而且这
些底层的黑人保证了他自己，他孩子的非黄腾达。比如，这次事件出来，一大堆有钱有
势的黑人跳出来说警察是ＥＶＩＬ。 大家可以想想，会对自己的孩子说这样的话吗？
如果是我，肯定会对孩子说，见了警察被反抗，老老实实地保命，真要是警察不公把你
抓了，我们再想办法。现在站出来说警察是ＥＶＩＬ，除了增加对立情绪，让更多的黑
人青年去送死，还能有啥好处？为啥就没有个黑人领袖说，警察抓你，你老实听话，被
抓了，我出钱，募捐替你找最好的律师，保证你有个公平的官司？因为他们舍不得自己
的钱和时间。他们这些高层黑人，就喜欢煽动矛盾，然后自己可以得利。
【在 d****g 的大作中提到】
: 黑白分明。这么多年了，美国解决不了这个社会问题。。
: 这要是习总。。
: 说到底是教育。俺们白领养娃都捉襟见肘。人家黑领咋整？我都替他们捉急。。
: 看俺现在这个公司，就没几个黑人。黑人的工作差，养娃也差。
: 美国的教育体制有问题。。
u*a
24 楼
每年当华裔家长津津乐道又有多少朋友的孩子考上藤校的时候，另一些家长可能在掰着
指头算，又有多少社区青少年死于枪下。
There were 41 teens 14 years or younger reported killed by police from 1980
to 2012 in U.S.. 27 of them were black; 8 were white; 4 were
Hispanic and 1 was Asian.
There were 151 instances in which police noted that teens they had shot dead
had been fleeing or resisting arrest at the time of the encounter. 67
percent of those killed in such circumstances were black. That disparity was
even starker in the last couple of years: of the 15 teens shot fleeing
arrest from 2010 to 2012, 14 were black.
Young black males in recent years were at a far greater risk of being shot
dead by police than their white counterparts – 21 times greater, according
to a ProPublica analysis of federally collected data on fatal police
shootings.
The 1,217 deadly police shootings from 2010 to 2012 captured in the federal
data show that blacks, age 15 to 19, were killed at a rate of 31.7 per
million, while just 1.47 per million white males in that age range died at
the hands of police.
Source:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/10/10/racial-disparity-polic
指头算，又有多少社区青少年死于枪下。
There were 41 teens 14 years or younger reported killed by police from 1980
to 2012 in U.S.. 27 of them were black; 8 were white; 4 were
Hispanic and 1 was Asian.
There were 151 instances in which police noted that teens they had shot dead
had been fleeing or resisting arrest at the time of the encounter. 67
percent of those killed in such circumstances were black. That disparity was
even starker in the last couple of years: of the 15 teens shot fleeing
arrest from 2010 to 2012, 14 were black.
Young black males in recent years were at a far greater risk of being shot
dead by police than their white counterparts – 21 times greater, according
to a ProPublica analysis of federally collected data on fatal police
shootings.
The 1,217 deadly police shootings from 2010 to 2012 captured in the federal
data show that blacks, age 15 to 19, were killed at a rate of 31.7 per
million, while just 1.47 per million white males in that age range died at
the hands of police.
Source:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/10/10/racial-disparity-polic
u*a
25 楼
Ms. Anna Yakle, Associate attorney at Tentinger Law Firm, P.A.
So is everyone that is saying that black disproportionately commit crime, so
it makes sense they would be more likely to be shot by police are saying
this is the case because they honestly believe that blacks as a race because
of their race have a tendency to commit crime (v. other issues such as
socio-economic status and racial profiling)? That is called racism - you are
saying that blacks are inferior (i.e. commit more crime based on their race
). There is simply no science to back that up. The genetic differences
between the races are minuscule. If you control for socio-economic status,
the statistical significance of race and crime is reduced substantially.
When you also take into account racial profiling, which is essentially plain
old racism, it isn't too hard to see why blacks would more likely to be
investigated, stopped, jailed, prosecuted and convicted more than whites.
Crime is an extremely difficult topic to study because of the many factors
involved, but I am not aware of any scientific evidence that would show that
the different in criminality is due to genetic differences between races.
There are certainly social factors at work here. Black people and other
minority groups are much more likely to live in poverty than whites. A
person who come from a lower socio-economic background is more likely to
commit certain crimes and have higher recidivism rate. It doesn't take a
scientist to know why this is the case, you just have to look at history.
Some of this remains a mystery today. For example, child molesters are much
more likely to be male and white, but it is unclear why this would be the
case. However, it is our reaction to it that it is telling - the police don'
t target white men who are seen near schools or play grounds and nobody on
this thread is arguing that they should despite the fact that statistics
would appear to support this as much as they would support targeting blacks
for criminality (which is self-fulfilling prophecy and the cycle continues .
. . ).
Anybody who is trying to blame this on genetic differences cannot really be
hanging out with black people or minorities. My apartment building is
majority Hispanic and black. My man is Hispanic. I have never ever felt
threatened simply because of someone's skin color. Statistics looking at the
race of victim and perpetrator, would say I should be more afraid of white
people because white people are more likely to assault white people. This
isn't because white people hate themselves, it is because they tend to group
together in terms of associations just like any race, so this generally
true across-the-board. This shows the difficulty in interpreting statistics.
I just take basic safety precautions in any situation, but it doesn't make
sense to be scared of someone because they have a different skin color.
Believing that skin color determines criminality is not logical and is not
supported by scientific evidence. If you go on statistical evidence alone,
you could just as easily make the determination that white people should be
most afraid of white people and that white men should be targeted as child
molesters As for your belief that black families do not emphasize education.
My response is two-fold: 1. That is a huge assumption and I don't believe
that you would find this to be true if you actually stepped out of your
white bubble to really to get to know someone who is black. 2. Don't you
think that disproportionately living in poverty and being denied economic
opportunities might have some impact on goals in terms of education and
financial ability to meet those goals? The connection between crime in socio
-economic factors is quite well known.
Finally, just what are you suggesting we do? I presume you are not
advocating another Holocaust. You should actually take a look at history and
see what the Hitler said about Jewish people. Although the stereo-types
were different, the rationale is exactly the same. At this point, we are at
minimum, incarcerating black people at hugely disproportionate rate, many
times for nonviolent drug crimes based on drug laws that were designed to
have a disproportionate impact on black communities.
So is everyone that is saying that black disproportionately commit crime, so
it makes sense they would be more likely to be shot by police are saying
this is the case because they honestly believe that blacks as a race because
of their race have a tendency to commit crime (v. other issues such as
socio-economic status and racial profiling)? That is called racism - you are
saying that blacks are inferior (i.e. commit more crime based on their race
). There is simply no science to back that up. The genetic differences
between the races are minuscule. If you control for socio-economic status,
the statistical significance of race and crime is reduced substantially.
When you also take into account racial profiling, which is essentially plain
old racism, it isn't too hard to see why blacks would more likely to be
investigated, stopped, jailed, prosecuted and convicted more than whites.
Crime is an extremely difficult topic to study because of the many factors
involved, but I am not aware of any scientific evidence that would show that
the different in criminality is due to genetic differences between races.
There are certainly social factors at work here. Black people and other
minority groups are much more likely to live in poverty than whites. A
person who come from a lower socio-economic background is more likely to
commit certain crimes and have higher recidivism rate. It doesn't take a
scientist to know why this is the case, you just have to look at history.
Some of this remains a mystery today. For example, child molesters are much
more likely to be male and white, but it is unclear why this would be the
case. However, it is our reaction to it that it is telling - the police don'
t target white men who are seen near schools or play grounds and nobody on
this thread is arguing that they should despite the fact that statistics
would appear to support this as much as they would support targeting blacks
for criminality (which is self-fulfilling prophecy and the cycle continues .
. . ).
Anybody who is trying to blame this on genetic differences cannot really be
hanging out with black people or minorities. My apartment building is
majority Hispanic and black. My man is Hispanic. I have never ever felt
threatened simply because of someone's skin color. Statistics looking at the
race of victim and perpetrator, would say I should be more afraid of white
people because white people are more likely to assault white people. This
isn't because white people hate themselves, it is because they tend to group
together in terms of associations just like any race, so this generally
true across-the-board. This shows the difficulty in interpreting statistics.
I just take basic safety precautions in any situation, but it doesn't make
sense to be scared of someone because they have a different skin color.
Believing that skin color determines criminality is not logical and is not
supported by scientific evidence. If you go on statistical evidence alone,
you could just as easily make the determination that white people should be
most afraid of white people and that white men should be targeted as child
molesters As for your belief that black families do not emphasize education.
My response is two-fold: 1. That is a huge assumption and I don't believe
that you would find this to be true if you actually stepped out of your
white bubble to really to get to know someone who is black. 2. Don't you
think that disproportionately living in poverty and being denied economic
opportunities might have some impact on goals in terms of education and
financial ability to meet those goals? The connection between crime in socio
-economic factors is quite well known.
Finally, just what are you suggesting we do? I presume you are not
advocating another Holocaust. You should actually take a look at history and
see what the Hitler said about Jewish people. Although the stereo-types
were different, the rationale is exactly the same. At this point, we are at
minimum, incarcerating black people at hugely disproportionate rate, many
times for nonviolent drug crimes based on drug laws that were designed to
have a disproportionate impact on black communities.
n*h
26 楼
如果非洲裔家长能像华裔家长那样，大部分黑人孩子都不会死。 你那末同情黑人，那
末愿意帮助黑人，为啥不搬到黑人区去住？自己住在黑人少见的好区，然后吃着黑人的
人血馒头显示着自己的廉价同情，觉得自己特高尚吧。不过，黑人的人血馒头还轮不到
你吃，能吃的只有向奥巴这样的高等黑人和白人。你不过就是给人家当枪使的而已。
华裔在开始在美国的处境，受到的歧视，并不比黑人少。
1980
dead
was
【在 u*****a 的大作中提到】
: 每年当华裔家长津津乐道又有多少朋友的孩子考上藤校的时候，另一些家长可能在掰着
: 指头算，又有多少社区青少年死于枪下。
: There were 41 teens 14 years or younger reported killed by police from 1980
: to 2012 in U.S.. 27 of them were black; 8 were white; 4 were
: Hispanic and 1 was Asian.
: There were 151 instances in which police noted that teens they had shot dead
: had been fleeing or resisting arrest at the time of the encounter. 67
: percent of those killed in such circumstances were black. That disparity was
: even starker in the last couple of years: of the 15 teens shot fleeing
: arrest from 2010 to 2012, 14 were black.
末愿意帮助黑人，为啥不搬到黑人区去住？自己住在黑人少见的好区，然后吃着黑人的
人血馒头显示着自己的廉价同情，觉得自己特高尚吧。不过，黑人的人血馒头还轮不到
你吃，能吃的只有向奥巴这样的高等黑人和白人。你不过就是给人家当枪使的而已。
华裔在开始在美国的处境，受到的歧视，并不比黑人少。
1980
dead
was
【在 u*****a 的大作中提到】
: 每年当华裔家长津津乐道又有多少朋友的孩子考上藤校的时候，另一些家长可能在掰着
: 指头算，又有多少社区青少年死于枪下。
: There were 41 teens 14 years or younger reported killed by police from 1980
: to 2012 in U.S.. 27 of them were black; 8 were white; 4 were
: Hispanic and 1 was Asian.
: There were 151 instances in which police noted that teens they had shot dead
: had been fleeing or resisting arrest at the time of the encounter. 67
: percent of those killed in such circumstances were black. That disparity was
: even starker in the last couple of years: of the 15 teens shot fleeing
: arrest from 2010 to 2012, 14 were black.
k*m
27 楼
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/23/andy-lopez_n_4152819.h
Police Shoot And Kill Andy Lopez, 13-Year-Old Boy Carrying Pellet Gun
怎么就没有人暴动呢？
怎么他的爸妈或者继父没有叫嚣着要burn。。。。down？
我们为人父母，应该教育孩子
注意，如果警察让举起手的时候，请hands up，
哦
对了，这个新闻大家也可以看一看
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2850308/Darren-Wilson-s
EXCLUSIVE: Darren Wilson's friends demand that 'star' witness in Michael
Brown case be charged with PERJURY for his 'hands up, don't shoot lie' after
grand jury rejects teen's version of events
Police Shoot And Kill Andy Lopez, 13-Year-Old Boy Carrying Pellet Gun
怎么就没有人暴动呢？
怎么他的爸妈或者继父没有叫嚣着要burn。。。。down？
我们为人父母，应该教育孩子
注意，如果警察让举起手的时候，请hands up，
哦
对了，这个新闻大家也可以看一看
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2850308/Darren-Wilson-s
EXCLUSIVE: Darren Wilson's friends demand that 'star' witness in Michael
Brown case be charged with PERJURY for his 'hands up, don't shoot lie' after
grand jury rejects teen's version of events
u*a
28 楼
In the words of Tim Wise,
“What Black parents…understood but which Whites had the luxury of ignoring
was the deep and abiding fear that pumps like blood through the veins of
Black mothers in this country, especially when they are the mothers of black
men: the fear that persons in positions of authority – most immediately
police – may well end the life of their man-child if they misinterpret a
move, a look, a glance, a comment, or a smirk. It is a fear with which they
learn to live early and always: the fear that the next time your child
walks out the door, unless you or someone else has broken them first of
whatever exuberance is otherwise second-nature for youth, they may be coming
back to you only in a box, and even then, only so that you may dress them
one final time.” (White Like Me: Reflections on Race from a Privileged Son,
p. 22).
“What Black parents…understood but which Whites had the luxury of ignoring
was the deep and abiding fear that pumps like blood through the veins of
Black mothers in this country, especially when they are the mothers of black
men: the fear that persons in positions of authority – most immediately
police – may well end the life of their man-child if they misinterpret a
move, a look, a glance, a comment, or a smirk. It is a fear with which they
learn to live early and always: the fear that the next time your child
walks out the door, unless you or someone else has broken them first of
whatever exuberance is otherwise second-nature for youth, they may be coming
back to you only in a box, and even then, only so that you may dress them
one final time.” (White Like Me: Reflections on Race from a Privileged Son,
p. 22).
u*a
29 楼
There have been other Asian American victims of police misconduct in the Bay
Area. Cau Tran, a Vietnamese American, was shot in her San Jose home in
2003 because she was holding a vegetable peeler. Kuang Chung Kao, a Chinese
American, was shot outside his home in Rohnert Park in 1997 because the
police assumed he had deadly martial arts skills.
Kuang Chung Kao, a Taiwanese man from San Francisco, April 1997, was
celebrating a job promotion in a bar when he became the target of racially-
motivated slurs. Drunk and angry, he was waving a broomstick at his
neighbors for help just when police arrived.
Although Kao’s wife removed the broomstick from his grasp, the officers
ordered her to step backwards and fired a shot into her husband’s chest.
Kao was still alive, but the police prevented his wife, a registered nurse,
from administering to his wound and, thus, he lost his life. After the
incident, the police department claimed that Kao still had the broomstick in
his hands when he was shot.
The officer presumed that because he was an Asian man, he was doing martial
arts, and shot him just 34 seconds upon arrival at the scene. In response to
Mr. Kao's death, along with many community members and leaders and other
civil rights organizations, we formed the Coalition for Justice for the Kao
Family to demand a fair examination of what took place on April 29, 1997.
北加州硅谷10多年前，有一轰动美国华人社会的警察乱杀案件。一对台湾来的夫妇，男
的是电脑工程师，女的是护士，一天傍晚，男的喝酒后在自家们口耍酒疯，手里拿着一
扫地的塑料笤把，被邻居报警，警察下车后，命令台湾男的放下塑料笤把，男的犹豫一
下，警察一枪击中他的心脏，女的是护士要实施急救，被警察拦阻，自己的丈夫就死在
自己的眼皮下。从警察下车到打死台湾电脑工程师，只用了几秒钟，警察轻轻松松，快
速敏捷，毫不犹豫地剥夺了对警察没有任何威胁的工程师的生命，留下了两个不满一岁
的双胞胎儿子。旧金山湾区台湾籍人士个个义愤填膺，特别是台湾籍律师免费为台湾女
护士打官司。怎知法官站在警察的立场上，打了十年的官司也没结果，最后政府赔偿了
100万，开枪打人的警察没有受任何处分。。。开枪打人的警察在法庭上陈述开枪的理
由，开枪打人的警察在法庭上陈述开枪的理由，中国人都有功夫，棍子在中国人手中危
险。
THE FATAL APRIL shooting of Kuan Chung Kao, 33, by Rohnert Park Police
Officer Jack Shields and the seven other police-involved deaths in Sonoma
County over the past two years are gaining fervent attention nationwide,
including a glimmer of interest from one long-silent local human-rights
group.
In new developments disclosed this week, the Independent has learned that
the Rev. Jesse Jackson will visit Sonoma County to meet Kao's widow, Ayling
Wu, at an as-yet-undetermined date; state Attorney General Dan Lungren
announced during a visit to Santa Rosa this week that his office has opened
an investigation into the Kao shooting; Sen. Barbara Boxer, D-Calif., will
meet with Wu on Oct. 3; and a second meeting between local law-enforcement
chiefs, Bay Area civil-rights groups, and officials from the U.S. Justice
Department is set for Oct. 1 to discuss ways to increase racial and ethnic
sensitivity among local police.
Kao, drunk and swinging a wooden pole, was shot at point-blank range on his
front lawn by an officer who later said he felt threatened by Kao's "
martial arts-style" moves. Critics point out that Kao had no martial arts
training and contend that the shooting was racially motivated.
The FBI, the U.S. Justice Department, and, last week, the U.S. Commission
on Civil Rights have all stepped in to probe a possible pattern of police
brutality alleged in eight separate cases. Yet critics say the response from
our own backyard--specifically from the Sonoma County Human Rights
Commission--has been strangely absent. "I'm pretty disappointed," says Nancy
Wang, president of the Redwood Empire Chinese Association. "The commission
has put this under the table--despite all the action right now, the Human
Rights Commission is doing nothing."
Area. Cau Tran, a Vietnamese American, was shot in her San Jose home in
2003 because she was holding a vegetable peeler. Kuang Chung Kao, a Chinese
American, was shot outside his home in Rohnert Park in 1997 because the
police assumed he had deadly martial arts skills.
Kuang Chung Kao, a Taiwanese man from San Francisco, April 1997, was
celebrating a job promotion in a bar when he became the target of racially-
motivated slurs. Drunk and angry, he was waving a broomstick at his
neighbors for help just when police arrived.
Although Kao’s wife removed the broomstick from his grasp, the officers
ordered her to step backwards and fired a shot into her husband’s chest.
Kao was still alive, but the police prevented his wife, a registered nurse,
from administering to his wound and, thus, he lost his life. After the
incident, the police department claimed that Kao still had the broomstick in
his hands when he was shot.
The officer presumed that because he was an Asian man, he was doing martial
arts, and shot him just 34 seconds upon arrival at the scene. In response to
Mr. Kao's death, along with many community members and leaders and other
civil rights organizations, we formed the Coalition for Justice for the Kao
Family to demand a fair examination of what took place on April 29, 1997.
北加州硅谷10多年前，有一轰动美国华人社会的警察乱杀案件。一对台湾来的夫妇，男
的是电脑工程师，女的是护士，一天傍晚，男的喝酒后在自家们口耍酒疯，手里拿着一
扫地的塑料笤把，被邻居报警，警察下车后，命令台湾男的放下塑料笤把，男的犹豫一
下，警察一枪击中他的心脏，女的是护士要实施急救，被警察拦阻，自己的丈夫就死在
自己的眼皮下。从警察下车到打死台湾电脑工程师，只用了几秒钟，警察轻轻松松，快
速敏捷，毫不犹豫地剥夺了对警察没有任何威胁的工程师的生命，留下了两个不满一岁
的双胞胎儿子。旧金山湾区台湾籍人士个个义愤填膺，特别是台湾籍律师免费为台湾女
护士打官司。怎知法官站在警察的立场上，打了十年的官司也没结果，最后政府赔偿了
100万，开枪打人的警察没有受任何处分。。。开枪打人的警察在法庭上陈述开枪的理
由，开枪打人的警察在法庭上陈述开枪的理由，中国人都有功夫，棍子在中国人手中危
险。
THE FATAL APRIL shooting of Kuan Chung Kao, 33, by Rohnert Park Police
Officer Jack Shields and the seven other police-involved deaths in Sonoma
County over the past two years are gaining fervent attention nationwide,
including a glimmer of interest from one long-silent local human-rights
group.
In new developments disclosed this week, the Independent has learned that
the Rev. Jesse Jackson will visit Sonoma County to meet Kao's widow, Ayling
Wu, at an as-yet-undetermined date; state Attorney General Dan Lungren
announced during a visit to Santa Rosa this week that his office has opened
an investigation into the Kao shooting; Sen. Barbara Boxer, D-Calif., will
meet with Wu on Oct. 3; and a second meeting between local law-enforcement
chiefs, Bay Area civil-rights groups, and officials from the U.S. Justice
Department is set for Oct. 1 to discuss ways to increase racial and ethnic
sensitivity among local police.
Kao, drunk and swinging a wooden pole, was shot at point-blank range on his
front lawn by an officer who later said he felt threatened by Kao's "
martial arts-style" moves. Critics point out that Kao had no martial arts
training and contend that the shooting was racially motivated.
The FBI, the U.S. Justice Department, and, last week, the U.S. Commission
on Civil Rights have all stepped in to probe a possible pattern of police
brutality alleged in eight separate cases. Yet critics say the response from
our own backyard--specifically from the Sonoma County Human Rights
Commission--has been strangely absent. "I'm pretty disappointed," says Nancy
Wang, president of the Redwood Empire Chinese Association. "The commission
has put this under the table--despite all the action right now, the Human
Rights Commission is doing nothing."
k*m
30 楼
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2850335/I-don-t-think-w
转一个评论吧
Angela, Lexington, United States, about 3 hours ago
I am white, my husband is black, my 2 children are bi-racial and we live in
the SOUTH. The US is NOT a racist state. Our country has come soooo far in
the past 50 years. If you wanna be a thug, then heck yeah, you will have
problems with the police. This whole story disgusts me.
那只鸡还是鹤的，消停吧
不然，真的让人恶心了！
转一个评论吧
Angela, Lexington, United States, about 3 hours ago
I am white, my husband is black, my 2 children are bi-racial and we live in
the SOUTH. The US is NOT a racist state. Our country has come soooo far in
the past 50 years. If you wanna be a thug, then heck yeah, you will have
problems with the police. This whole story disgusts me.
那只鸡还是鹤的，消停吧
不然，真的让人恶心了！
k*m
31 楼
另外，少把亚裔收到的不公平对待，和这次事件联系在一起
我们也有20多个城市一起的游行
我们是怎么做的？
难道是因为我们不够愤怒么？所以，我们才没有去打砸抢烧？
更何况，那是因为我们真正受到了侮辱和不公
而不是，抢劫，袭警，在警察受到生命威胁的时候，你指望，警察过来，说：
“请你不要打我？请你不要夺我的枪，好好站好回答问题，行么？”
我们也有20多个城市一起的游行
我们是怎么做的？
难道是因为我们不够愤怒么？所以，我们才没有去打砸抢烧？
更何况，那是因为我们真正受到了侮辱和不公
而不是，抢劫，袭警，在警察受到生命威胁的时候，你指望，警察过来，说：
“请你不要打我？请你不要夺我的枪，好好站好回答问题，行么？”
k*m
32 楼
多说两句
不能说，都是好警察，不能说，所有的执法行为都规范
但是，警察只是一个职业，他们也想回家吃晚饭
不知道，大家注意到前几天大学校园枪击的图片
那些学生都是高举着双手，当警察到校园的时候
为啥？
他们都知道这样做，以免被误伤，而有些人，就不知道？
还去打警察和抢他的枪呢？
那么，这种情况，指望警察怎么办呢？
不能说，都是好警察，不能说，所有的执法行为都规范
但是，警察只是一个职业，他们也想回家吃晚饭
不知道，大家注意到前几天大学校园枪击的图片
那些学生都是高举着双手，当警察到校园的时候
为啥？
他们都知道这样做，以免被误伤，而有些人，就不知道？
还去打警察和抢他的枪呢？
那么，这种情况，指望警察怎么办呢？
u*a
33 楼
On July 13th of 2003, Cau Thi Bich Tran, a Vietnamese woman, a mother of
two young children, was fatally shot by a single bullet in the chest in her
own apartment. Her children were in the next room over, as her boyfriend
witnessed the killing in a horrid dismay. Her boyfriend and two children
were screaming for help, screaming out of utter shock. But just as strange
and as “foreign” as their impoverished home and personal appearances, the
words that were screamed were merely indiscernible noises to officer Chad
Marshall, the man who put a bullet through Cau Tran’s chest.
The San Jose police department issued a press release – clearly stating
that officer Marshall’s shooting was justified – that Cau Tran was clearly
holding a deadly “Cleaver” – that she was ready to throw like a dagger.
It is just improbable that this 4 foot 9 inch woman who weighed 90lbs could
have made officer Marshall feel that his life was in danger. Maybe officer
Marshall thought of movies such “Double Dragon” or “Drunken Monkey” as
he centered his aim, shooting to kill Cau Tran without hesitancy. Many
Vietnamese women use the same vegetable peeler that Cau Tran was holding in
their kitchens.
The police report says that two officers were called to Tran's home about 9
p.m. on a so-called "welfare check" after a neighbor reported that Tran's
toddler had been seen crossing a busy street after dark, according to the
police report of the incident. The neighbor also called back to say that she
heard screaming coming from the residence Tran shared with her boyfriend,
Dang Bui, and the couple's two young boys, ages 3 and 4.
Officers Marshall and Tom Mun were greeted at the door by Tran's boyfriend,
who said she was "acting crazy," Dixon said. As the boyfriend ushered the
two boys down a hallway, the officers encountered Tran in the kitchen.
"She began yelling at them in English to get out of house," Dixon said. "
They tried to calm her down, but she reached into a drawer and pulled out
what the officers thought was a cleaver."
When Tran reportedly raised the implement -- with a 6-inch blade and 4-inch
handle -- Marshall opened fire from about 6 feet away, striking Tran once in
the chest. She was pronounced dead at the scene.
"It was one of those instantaneous critical moments in which the officer
made the decision to use deadly force," San Jose Assistant Police Chief
Thomas Wheatley said. "We're reviewing it. The D.A. is reviewing it."
Wheatley said the public should not underestimate the threat from the device
. "When you tell an American audience that the woman was holding a potato
peeler, most people have the image of that little thing you use to scrape a
potato," Wheatley said. "But this thing had a much, much larger blade.
"Was this a deadly weapon? We think it was. And the district attorney agrees
with us."
two young children, was fatally shot by a single bullet in the chest in her
own apartment. Her children were in the next room over, as her boyfriend
witnessed the killing in a horrid dismay. Her boyfriend and two children
were screaming for help, screaming out of utter shock. But just as strange
and as “foreign” as their impoverished home and personal appearances, the
words that were screamed were merely indiscernible noises to officer Chad
Marshall, the man who put a bullet through Cau Tran’s chest.
The San Jose police department issued a press release – clearly stating
that officer Marshall’s shooting was justified – that Cau Tran was clearly
holding a deadly “Cleaver” – that she was ready to throw like a dagger.
It is just improbable that this 4 foot 9 inch woman who weighed 90lbs could
have made officer Marshall feel that his life was in danger. Maybe officer
Marshall thought of movies such “Double Dragon” or “Drunken Monkey” as
he centered his aim, shooting to kill Cau Tran without hesitancy. Many
Vietnamese women use the same vegetable peeler that Cau Tran was holding in
their kitchens.
The police report says that two officers were called to Tran's home about 9
p.m. on a so-called "welfare check" after a neighbor reported that Tran's
toddler had been seen crossing a busy street after dark, according to the
police report of the incident. The neighbor also called back to say that she
heard screaming coming from the residence Tran shared with her boyfriend,
Dang Bui, and the couple's two young boys, ages 3 and 4.
Officers Marshall and Tom Mun were greeted at the door by Tran's boyfriend,
who said she was "acting crazy," Dixon said. As the boyfriend ushered the
two boys down a hallway, the officers encountered Tran in the kitchen.
"She began yelling at them in English to get out of house," Dixon said. "
They tried to calm her down, but she reached into a drawer and pulled out
what the officers thought was a cleaver."
When Tran reportedly raised the implement -- with a 6-inch blade and 4-inch
handle -- Marshall opened fire from about 6 feet away, striking Tran once in
the chest. She was pronounced dead at the scene.
"It was one of those instantaneous critical moments in which the officer
made the decision to use deadly force," San Jose Assistant Police Chief
Thomas Wheatley said. "We're reviewing it. The D.A. is reviewing it."
Wheatley said the public should not underestimate the threat from the device
. "When you tell an American audience that the woman was holding a potato
peeler, most people have the image of that little thing you use to scrape a
potato," Wheatley said. "But this thing had a much, much larger blade.
"Was this a deadly weapon? We think it was. And the district attorney agrees
with us."
k*m
34 楼
亚裔怎么没有暴动？
her
the
【在 u*****a 的大作中提到】
: On July 13th of 2003, Cau Thi Bich Tran, a Vietnamese woman, a mother of
: two young children, was fatally shot by a single bullet in the chest in her
: own apartment. Her children were in the next room over, as her boyfriend
: witnessed the killing in a horrid dismay. Her boyfriend and two children
: were screaming for help, screaming out of utter shock. But just as strange
: and as “foreign” as their impoverished home and personal appearances, the
: words that were screamed were merely indiscernible noises to officer Chad
: Marshall, the man who put a bullet through Cau Tran’s chest.
: The San Jose police department issued a press release – clearly stating
: that officer Marshall’s shooting was justified – that Cau Tran was clearly
her
the
【在 u*****a 的大作中提到】
: On July 13th of 2003, Cau Thi Bich Tran, a Vietnamese woman, a mother of
: two young children, was fatally shot by a single bullet in the chest in her
: own apartment. Her children were in the next room over, as her boyfriend
: witnessed the killing in a horrid dismay. Her boyfriend and two children
: were screaming for help, screaming out of utter shock. But just as strange
: and as “foreign” as their impoverished home and personal appearances, the
: words that were screamed were merely indiscernible noises to officer Chad
: Marshall, the man who put a bullet through Cau Tran’s chest.
: The San Jose police department issued a press release – clearly stating
: that officer Marshall’s shooting was justified – that Cau Tran was clearly
d*l
35 楼
白人对黑人有负罪感，所以给救济，但是显然养了一帮懒人，更生就一帮恶人，M
Brown就是
这样。黑人领袖只顾争取社会地位，鼓动大家有事就上街，缺忽视了社区基本建设，尤
其是
孩子的教育。这一点其实老中可以帮他们。
【在 d****g 的大作中提到】
: 黑白分明。这么多年了，美国解决不了这个社会问题。。
: 这要是习总。。
: 说到底是教育。俺们白领养娃都捉襟见肘。人家黑领咋整？我都替他们捉急。。
: 看俺现在这个公司，就没几个黑人。黑人的工作差，养娃也差。
: 美国的教育体制有问题。。
Brown就是
这样。黑人领袖只顾争取社会地位，鼓动大家有事就上街，缺忽视了社区基本建设，尤
其是
孩子的教育。这一点其实老中可以帮他们。
【在 d****g 的大作中提到】
: 黑白分明。这么多年了，美国解决不了这个社会问题。。
: 这要是习总。。
: 说到底是教育。俺们白领养娃都捉襟见肘。人家黑领咋整？我都替他们捉急。。
: 看俺现在这个公司，就没几个黑人。黑人的工作差，养娃也差。
: 美国的教育体制有问题。。
u*a
36 楼
Yahoo Today, Nov. 27, 2014:
CLEVELAND (AP) — The police officer who fatally shot a 12-year-old boy
carrying a pellet gun fired within 1½ to 2 seconds of pulling up in
his cruiser, police said Wednesday. During those few moments, he ordered the
youngster three times to put up his hands, they said.
Much of the footage shows what appears to be a bored kid alone in a park on
an unseasonably warm November afternoon. Tamir is seen pacing, occasionally
extending his right arm with what appears to be a gun in his hand, talking
on a cellphone and sitting at a picnic table with his head resting on his
arms.
The gun wasn't real. It can be bought at sporting goods stores for less than
$20. Tamir's was lacking the bright orange tip that is usually put on such
weapons to indicate they're not real guns.
The video police showed Wednesday had no sound and was choppy, showing about
two frames per second. What is striking about it is the speed at which the
shooting occurred.
At one moment, Tamir is sitting at a picnic table in a gazebo. He stands,
and a police car zooms into the frame from the right and stops on the grass,
just a few feet from him. The passenger door opens and Loehmann shoots
Tamir before Garmback can get out the driver's side door.
It's unclear how far Tamir was from Loehmann when the officer shot him, but
Deputy Chief Ed Tomba said it was less than 10 feet.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1GaaMYhrw0
Tamir's family said it has seen the video of his shooting.
"It is our belief that this situation could have been avoided and that Tamir
should still be here with us," the family said in a statement released by
its attorneys. "The video shows one thing distinctly: the police officers
reacted quickly."
CLEVELAND (AP) — The police officer who fatally shot a 12-year-old boy
carrying a pellet gun fired within 1½ to 2 seconds of pulling up in
his cruiser, police said Wednesday. During those few moments, he ordered the
youngster three times to put up his hands, they said.
Much of the footage shows what appears to be a bored kid alone in a park on
an unseasonably warm November afternoon. Tamir is seen pacing, occasionally
extending his right arm with what appears to be a gun in his hand, talking
on a cellphone and sitting at a picnic table with his head resting on his
arms.
The gun wasn't real. It can be bought at sporting goods stores for less than
$20. Tamir's was lacking the bright orange tip that is usually put on such
weapons to indicate they're not real guns.
The video police showed Wednesday had no sound and was choppy, showing about
two frames per second. What is striking about it is the speed at which the
shooting occurred.
At one moment, Tamir is sitting at a picnic table in a gazebo. He stands,
and a police car zooms into the frame from the right and stops on the grass,
just a few feet from him. The passenger door opens and Loehmann shoots
Tamir before Garmback can get out the driver's side door.
It's unclear how far Tamir was from Loehmann when the officer shot him, but
Deputy Chief Ed Tomba said it was less than 10 feet.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1GaaMYhrw0
Tamir's family said it has seen the video of his shooting.
"It is our belief that this situation could have been avoided and that Tamir
should still be here with us," the family said in a statement released by
its attorneys. "The video shows one thing distinctly: the police officers
reacted quickly."
k*m
37 楼
你才看到么？
都好几天了？
the
on
occasionally
【在 u*****a 的大作中提到】
: Yahoo Today, Nov. 27, 2014:
: CLEVELAND (AP) — The police officer who fatally shot a 12-year-old boy
: carrying a pellet gun fired within 1½ to 2 seconds of pulling up in
: his cruiser, police said Wednesday. During those few moments, he ordered the
: youngster three times to put up his hands, they said.
: Much of the footage shows what appears to be a bored kid alone in a park on
: an unseasonably warm November afternoon. Tamir is seen pacing, occasionally
: extending his right arm with what appears to be a gun in his hand, talking
: on a cellphone and sitting at a picnic table with his head resting on his
: arms.
都好几天了？
the
on
occasionally
【在 u*****a 的大作中提到】
: Yahoo Today, Nov. 27, 2014:
: CLEVELAND (AP) — The police officer who fatally shot a 12-year-old boy
: carrying a pellet gun fired within 1½ to 2 seconds of pulling up in
: his cruiser, police said Wednesday. During those few moments, he ordered the
: youngster three times to put up his hands, they said.
: Much of the footage shows what appears to be a bored kid alone in a park on
: an unseasonably warm November afternoon. Tamir is seen pacing, occasionally
: extending his right arm with what appears to be a gun in his hand, talking
: on a cellphone and sitting at a picnic table with his head resting on his
: arms.
S*l
38 楼
这是美国枪支泛滥的必然，警察都是惊弓之鸟。先下手为强。
the
on
occasionally
【在 u*****a 的大作中提到】
: Yahoo Today, Nov. 27, 2014:
: CLEVELAND (AP) — The police officer who fatally shot a 12-year-old boy
: carrying a pellet gun fired within 1½ to 2 seconds of pulling up in
: his cruiser, police said Wednesday. During those few moments, he ordered the
: youngster three times to put up his hands, they said.
: Much of the footage shows what appears to be a bored kid alone in a park on
: an unseasonably warm November afternoon. Tamir is seen pacing, occasionally
: extending his right arm with what appears to be a gun in his hand, talking
: on a cellphone and sitting at a picnic table with his head resting on his
: arms.
the
on
occasionally
【在 u*****a 的大作中提到】
: Yahoo Today, Nov. 27, 2014:
: CLEVELAND (AP) — The police officer who fatally shot a 12-year-old boy
: carrying a pellet gun fired within 1½ to 2 seconds of pulling up in
: his cruiser, police said Wednesday. During those few moments, he ordered the
: youngster three times to put up his hands, they said.
: Much of the footage shows what appears to be a bored kid alone in a park on
: an unseasonably warm November afternoon. Tamir is seen pacing, occasionally
: extending his right arm with what appears to be a gun in his hand, talking
: on a cellphone and sitting at a picnic table with his head resting on his
: arms.
k*m
39 楼
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/23/andy-lopez_n_4152819.h
Police Shoot And Kill Andy Lopez, 13-Year-Old Boy Carrying Pellet Gun
这个也是小孩子
13岁，
唯一不同的事情是
他不是非洲裔
“Tamir's was lacking the bright orange tip that is usually put on such
weapons to indicate they're not real guns.”
这个链接有那把枪的图片
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2852119/Family-12-year-
并有清楚的分析图
要知道，警察是因为接到报警，说是，有人用枪威胁公共安全，才出警的
并好好搜索一下，pellet gun长得像不像真枪
尤其是把没有明显的颜色标识的所谓玩具枪
而且也看看，会不会对人畜有伤害
感谢google，这些照片都有
Police Shoot And Kill Andy Lopez, 13-Year-Old Boy Carrying Pellet Gun
这个也是小孩子
13岁，
唯一不同的事情是
他不是非洲裔
“Tamir's was lacking the bright orange tip that is usually put on such
weapons to indicate they're not real guns.”
这个链接有那把枪的图片
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2852119/Family-12-year-
并有清楚的分析图
要知道，警察是因为接到报警，说是，有人用枪威胁公共安全，才出警的
并好好搜索一下，pellet gun长得像不像真枪
尤其是把没有明显的颜色标识的所谓玩具枪
而且也看看，会不会对人畜有伤害
感谢google，这些照片都有
t*h
40 楼
他是black.
在公共场合拿着一把貌似真枪的假枪时不时得瞄准路人,
这种人小的时候没娘教,长大了也是拿真枪杀人的混混,
被警察打死一点都不怨.只能怪他妈妈没有教他,不能在公共场合
玩枪,不管真假.
奥巴马应该反思一下,为什么他的brothers and sisters的社区
连这么一个基本的道理都不懂.
【在 k****m 的大作中提到】
: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/23/andy-lopez_n_4152819.h
: Police Shoot And Kill Andy Lopez, 13-Year-Old Boy Carrying Pellet Gun
: 这个也是小孩子
: 13岁，
: 唯一不同的事情是
: 他不是非洲裔
: “Tamir's was lacking the bright orange tip that is usually put on such
: weapons to indicate they're not real guns.”
: 这个链接有那把枪的图片
: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2852119/Family-12-year-
在公共场合拿着一把貌似真枪的假枪时不时得瞄准路人,
这种人小的时候没娘教,长大了也是拿真枪杀人的混混,
被警察打死一点都不怨.只能怪他妈妈没有教他,不能在公共场合
玩枪,不管真假.
奥巴马应该反思一下,为什么他的brothers and sisters的社区
连这么一个基本的道理都不懂.
【在 k****m 的大作中提到】
: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/23/andy-lopez_n_4152819.h
: Police Shoot And Kill Andy Lopez, 13-Year-Old Boy Carrying Pellet Gun
: 这个也是小孩子
: 13岁，
: 唯一不同的事情是
: 他不是非洲裔
: “Tamir's was lacking the bright orange tip that is usually put on such
: weapons to indicate they're not real guns.”
: 这个链接有那把枪的图片
: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2852119/Family-12-year-
b*n
41 楼
大公司都很注意招一些黑人员工的。
黑人的问题也不是完全自己的问题， 歧视也是存在的。
比如同样是贷款，给黑人的利率就比给白人的高，假设其他情况一样。
中产黑人也不愿意住中产白区，开个好车还容易被警察盯上。
【在 d****g 的大作中提到】
: 黑白分明。这么多年了，美国解决不了这个社会问题。。
: 这要是习总。。
: 说到底是教育。俺们白领养娃都捉襟见肘。人家黑领咋整？我都替他们捉急。。
: 看俺现在这个公司，就没几个黑人。黑人的工作差，养娃也差。
: 美国的教育体制有问题。。
黑人的问题也不是完全自己的问题， 歧视也是存在的。
比如同样是贷款，给黑人的利率就比给白人的高，假设其他情况一样。
中产黑人也不愿意住中产白区，开个好车还容易被警察盯上。
【在 d****g 的大作中提到】
: 黑白分明。这么多年了，美国解决不了这个社会问题。。
: 这要是习总。。
: 说到底是教育。俺们白领养娃都捉襟见肘。人家黑领咋整？我都替他们捉急。。
: 看俺现在这个公司，就没几个黑人。黑人的工作差，养娃也差。
: 美国的教育体制有问题。。
b*n
42 楼
中国主要是rezoning太容易。 想赶谁走就赶谁走，就看你是赶人的还是被人赶的。
【在 d****g 的大作中提到】
: 回国探亲。看国内高楼林立。人口密度大啊。交通污染问题多。
: 真要是做飞机。你看一片片的绿地荒地，没有人烟。北京郊区，开车出去，就是座座野
: 山。没人。这要是美国，早都别墅栋栋。
: 觉得有意思，一撮人在东边发展，建成了钢筋水泥的密集蚁穴。一撮人西边发展，建成
: 了平平铺开的郊区网络。。
: 可但是，就是这地理距离，造就了资源的分散。贫得以不好扶，亦缘于此。
【在 d****g 的大作中提到】
: 回国探亲。看国内高楼林立。人口密度大啊。交通污染问题多。
: 真要是做飞机。你看一片片的绿地荒地，没有人烟。北京郊区，开车出去，就是座座野
: 山。没人。这要是美国，早都别墅栋栋。
: 觉得有意思，一撮人在东边发展，建成了钢筋水泥的密集蚁穴。一撮人西边发展，建成
: 了平平铺开的郊区网络。。
: 可但是，就是这地理距离，造就了资源的分散。贫得以不好扶，亦缘于此。
t*h
43 楼
就算其他情况都一样,黑人的习惯是拿到工资就用光,比白人的储蓄习惯更少.
所以贷款面临更高的风险.导致利率更高.
保险的价格,贷款利率,都是根据人群的统计风险来定价的.
这根本不属于歧视.
【在 b*********n 的大作中提到】
: 大公司都很注意招一些黑人员工的。
: 黑人的问题也不是完全自己的问题， 歧视也是存在的。
: 比如同样是贷款，给黑人的利率就比给白人的高，假设其他情况一样。
: 中产黑人也不愿意住中产白区，开个好车还容易被警察盯上。
所以贷款面临更高的风险.导致利率更高.
保险的价格,贷款利率,都是根据人群的统计风险来定价的.
这根本不属于歧视.
【在 b*********n 的大作中提到】
: 大公司都很注意招一些黑人员工的。
: 黑人的问题也不是完全自己的问题， 歧视也是存在的。
: 比如同样是贷款，给黑人的利率就比给白人的高，假设其他情况一样。
: 中产黑人也不愿意住中产白区，开个好车还容易被警察盯上。
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