包等奢侈品如何寄回国？ - 未名空间MITBBS历史存档

f*r2011-09-18 07:09

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【以下文字转载自 Military 讨论区】
发信人: krzkrz (krzkrz), 信区: Military
标题: 肖传国vs 方肘子近况
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Tue Feb 11 07:24:19 2014, 美东)
肖传国
http://weibo.cn/u/1808244527
全部-原创-图片-分组-筛选
马年第一台手术超顺利完成。医院一直稳健快速发展，去年大手术260余台，其中肖氏
手术48台。住院病人83%来自全国各地，其中泌尿外科多为疑难重症从全国大医院和国
外转诊而来。医院开业2年不作任何广告、无任何有效投诉、无医患纠纷、无医疗事故
。慈善捐出约30万。今年会更好。谨此致谢上苍和朋友。
方肘子
老婆之假不值得打xxxxxxcxx:xxxxxxxccccnmbcnmbcnmbcnmbcnmbcnmbcnmbcnmb

r*s2011-09-18 07:09

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http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-03-17/the-fuzzy-ins
Here's the secret to how Silicon Valley calculates the value of its hottest
companies: The numbers are sort of made-up. For the most mature startups,
investors agree to grant higher valuations, which help the companies with
recruitment and building credibility, in exchange for guarantees that they'
ll get their money back first if the company goes public or sells.
One stipulation, called senior liquidation preference, ensures that a
certain group gets its money back before anyone else, including employees.
Another class, called downside protection or ratchets, automatically grants
additional shares in the event of a declining valuation, removing a great
deal of risk that the stake will ever lose value.

l*n2011-09-18 07:09

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有人知道吗？多谢。

f*r2011-09-18 07:09

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【以下文字转载自 Military 讨论区】
发信人: krzkrz (krzkrz), 信区: Military
标题: 肖传国vs 方肘子近况
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Tue Feb 11 07:24:19 2014, 美东)
肖传国
http://weibo.cn/u/1808244527
全部-原创-图片-分组-筛选
马年第一台手术超顺利完成。医院一直稳健快速发展，去年大手术260余台，其中肖氏
手术48台。住院病人83%来自全国各地，其中泌尿外科多为疑难重症从全国大医院和国
外转诊而来。医院开业2年不作任何广告、无任何有效投诉、无医患纠纷、无医疗事故
。慈善捐出约30万。今年会更好。谨此致谢上苍和朋友。
方肘子
老婆之假不值得打xxxxxxcxx:xxxxxxxccccnmbcnmbcnmbcnmbcnmbcnmbcnmbcnmb

c*l2011-09-18 07:09

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这不是常识吗

g*62011-09-18 07:09

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最新消息：
国际同行双盲验证：无效！
http://thejns.org/doi/pdf/10.3171/2015.10.PEDS15271
肖传国这个手术，想在国际推广，已无可能。最后，只有他一个人会做这个手术。
换句话说：无人重复，肖传国骗子一个。

r*s2011-09-18 07:09

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No!
later funding rounds dilute earlier investors (including employee) shares AT
THE TIME OF THE FUNDING ROUND is indeed very common,
however, the provision of underside protection and automatic share increase
in the case of FUTURE valuation drop is unprecedented.

【在 c*********l 的大作中提到】

: 这不是常识吗

m*o2011-09-18 07:09

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相信大多数人都不知道有downside protection这个东西，所以Uber这种$40 billion
valuation水分还是蛮大的

【在 c*********l 的大作中提到】

: 这不是常识吗

c*e2011-09-18 07:09

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风险确实大，有的公司vest policy也很坑爹
在你vest前，有权终止合同
完全看雇主的良心了

s*h2011-09-18 07:09

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Uber很悬？

【在 m******o 的大作中提到】

: 相信大多数人都不知道有downside protection这个东西，所以Uber这种$40 billion
: valuation水分还是蛮大的

r*s2011-09-18 07:09

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本来就是搏傻的过程.看能不能把散户忽悠近来.

AT
increase

【在 r***s 的大作中提到】

: No!
: later funding rounds dilute earlier investors (including employee) shares AT
: THE TIME OF THE FUNDING ROUND is indeed very common,
: however, the provision of underside protection and automatic share increase
: in the case of FUTURE valuation drop is unprecedented.

c*a2011-09-18 07:09

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注水的猪肉

r*s2011-09-18 07:09

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悬不悬不知道，一旦估值下跌是投资人股份自动上升
员工手里的能剩下渣就不错了

【在 s*******h 的大作中提到】

: Uber很悬？

u*s2011-09-18 07:09

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大惊小怪。liquidation preference和downside protection都几十年的老饭了。小编
还当啥新货炒。
startup的真实价就是它的option price，而不是对外的prefer share price。

r*72011-09-18 07:09

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阿里巴巴上市前还有人觉得一千亿估值水分很大呢

【在 m******o 的大作中提到】

: 相信大多数人都不知道有downside protection这个东西，所以Uber这种$40 billion
: valuation水分还是蛮大的

a*m2011-09-18 07:09

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这些确实是去startup的童鞋应该知道的。
但是最后都是看的数学期望值。100%安全的5万股票和50%可能清零10%可能翻倍的20万+
股票你选哪个?如果基本工资够糊口的话。
而且热门startup清零同样很难。就算博傻但是把其他人都当傻子的人自己才是真的傻
。天使们一个个猴精，肯定看到油水才会下饵，不可能只为了忽悠一把就跑路。下跌保
护是为了安全，不证明是骗子。

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【在 r***s 的大作中提到】

: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-03-17/the-fuzzy-ins
: Here's the secret to how Silicon Valley calculates the value of its hottest
: companies: The numbers are sort of made-up. For the most mature startups,
: investors agree to grant higher valuations, which help the companies with
: recruitment and building credibility, in exchange for guarantees that they'
: ll get their money back first if the company goes public or sells.
: One stipulation, called senior liquidation preference, ensures that a
: certain group gets its money back before anyone else, including employees.
: Another class, called downside protection or ratchets, automatically grants
: additional shares in the event of a declining valuation, removing a great

h*a2011-09-18 07:09

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确实lz转的文章里写的是常识，不过有想去startup的同学也确实应该知道。startup的
估值一旦走下坡路或者以比较低的价格被收购，员工的equity衰减的速度可能比估值要
快。
不过perferred share price还是很有用的。公司IPO或者有secondary offering允许员
工套现，都是用高于或者接近preferred share price的价格让员工卖股票的。

【在 u*s 的大作中提到】

: 大惊小怪。liquidation preference和downside protection都几十年的老饭了。小编
: 还当啥新货炒。
: startup的真实价就是它的option price，而不是对外的prefer share price。

l*k2011-09-18 07:09

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您这个属于大惊小怪了。就像新警察签第一个offer时惊呼为什么是at-will一样。

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【在 r***s 的大作中提到】

: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-03-17/the-fuzzy-ins
: Here's the secret to how Silicon Valley calculates the value of its hottest
: companies: The numbers are sort of made-up. For the most mature startups,
: investors agree to grant higher valuations, which help the companies with
: recruitment and building credibility, in exchange for guarantees that they'
: ll get their money back first if the company goes public or sells.
: One stipulation, called senior liquidation preference, ensures that a
: certain group gets its money back before anyone else, including employees.
: Another class, called downside protection or ratchets, automatically grants
: additional shares in the event of a declining valuation, removing a great

M*62011-09-18 07:09

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Thanks for sharing. As a newbie, it's really good to know.

p*e2011-09-18 07:09

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Ratchet这东西都在教材里存在好久了，你说unprecendented？

AT
increase

【在 r***s 的大作中提到】

: No!
: later funding rounds dilute earlier investors (including employee) shares AT
: THE TIME OF THE FUNDING ROUND is indeed very common,
: however, the provision of underside protection and automatic share increase
: in the case of FUTURE valuation drop is unprecedented.

n*n2011-09-18 07:09

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G的老大明目张胆地剥夺股东投票权也是新鲜事物。

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【在 r***s 的大作中提到】

: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-03-17/the-fuzzy-ins
: Here's the secret to how Silicon Valley calculates the value of its hottest
: companies: The numbers are sort of made-up. For the most mature startups,
: investors agree to grant higher valuations, which help the companies with
: recruitment and building credibility, in exchange for guarantees that they'
: ll get their money back first if the company goes public or sells.
: One stipulation, called senior liquidation preference, ensures that a
: certain group gets its money back before anyone else, including employees.
: Another class, called downside protection or ratchets, automatically grants
: additional shares in the event of a declining valuation, removing a great

s*x2011-09-18 07:09

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FB 上市后股票还跌到20以下呢。这种文章基本就是 BS.

【在 r****7 的大作中提到】

: 阿里巴巴上市前还有人觉得一千亿估值水分很大呢

b*n2011-09-18 07:09

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据说baidu就这样干掉了很多人。美国的公司还未有听说过

【在 c*******e 的大作中提到】

: 风险确实大，有的公司vest policy也很坑爹
: 在你vest前，有权终止合同
: 完全看雇主的良心了

s*x2011-09-18 07:09

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根据俺混迹弯曲多年的经验，只要是大家热议的 startup, 大胆去就是了。稳赚的概
率远大于赔得概率, 估计在 5:1 左右吧。

m*s2011-09-18 07:09

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高风险，高收益。

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【在 r***s 的大作中提到】

: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-03-17/the-fuzzy-ins
: Here's the secret to how Silicon Valley calculates the value of its hottest
: companies: The numbers are sort of made-up. For the most mature startups,
: investors agree to grant higher valuations, which help the companies with
: recruitment and building credibility, in exchange for guarantees that they'
: ll get their money back first if the company goes public or sells.
: One stipulation, called senior liquidation preference, ensures that a
: certain group gets its money back before anyone else, including employees.
: Another class, called downside protection or ratchets, automatically grants
: additional shares in the event of a declining valuation, removing a great

x*i2011-09-18 07:09

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good to know or good to refresh