D*X
2 楼
NEW in BOX Canon 5D mk2 + 24-105/4L kit, NO UPC
$2800 + YL
body only: $2000 + YL
lens only: $850 + YL
BOA or money order
I will take personal check if ID I know well
PM if interested
$2800 + YL
body only: $2000 + YL
lens only: $850 + YL
BOA or money order
I will take personal check if ID I know well
PM if interested
z*g
3 楼
哈哈什么？我有SLV的CALL，快死了知道吗？不过前段时间赚了不少，死就死了吧。
h*e
4 楼
现在paypal echeck charge 3%了……
C*a
5 楼
It seems SLV drops 50c in a second just now. See whether bulls can regain
43.
43.
x*n
6 楼
我正想说呢。。。
【在 h*******e 的大作中提到】
: 现在paypal echeck charge 3%了……
【在 h*******e 的大作中提到】
: 现在paypal echeck charge 3%了……
C*a
7 楼
Sorry ...
【在 z****g 的大作中提到】
: 哈哈什么？我有SLV的CALL，快死了知道吗？不过前段时间赚了不少，死就死了吧。
d*l
8 楼
我也听说了
但为什么我最近收到一个echeck没有被charge呢?
【在 x*****n 的大作中提到】
: 我正想说呢。。。
但为什么我最近收到一个echeck没有被charge呢?
【在 x*****n 的大作中提到】
: 我正想说呢。。。
g*5
9 楼
反弹高点买回7个weekly put
跟lili 大牛 lol
【在 C****a 的大作中提到】
: haha
跟lili 大牛 lol
【在 C****a 的大作中提到】
: haha
D*X
10 楼
thanks guys, changed
C*a
11 楼
Good.
【在 g********5 的大作中提到】
: 反弹高点买回7个weekly put
: 跟lili 大牛 lol
b*6
12 楼
hot, gogogo
C*a
13 楼
Wow, almost 10X now. Good for you ...
【在 g********5 的大作中提到】
: 反弹高点买回7个weekly put
: 跟lili 大牛 lol
x*n
14 楼
你好像啥都hot哦，很容易满足啊
【在 b********6 的大作中提到】
: hot, gogogo
【在 b********6 的大作中提到】
: hot, gogogo
w*1
15 楼
美元彪了一阵儿了。
【在 C****a 的大作中提到】
: haha
【在 C****a 的大作中提到】
: haha
t*g
16 楼
老卡倒佳能？
【在 D***X 的大作中提到】
: NEW in BOX Canon 5D mk2 + 24-105/4L kit, NO UPC
: $2800 + YL
: body only: $2000 + YL
: lens only: $850 + YL
: BOA or money order
: I will take personal check if ID I know well
: PM if interested
【在 D***X 的大作中提到】
: NEW in BOX Canon 5D mk2 + 24-105/4L kit, NO UPC
: $2800 + YL
: body only: $2000 + YL
: lens only: $850 + YL
: BOA or money order
: I will take personal check if ID I know well
: PM if interested
C*a
17 楼
All these bullshit are computer driven. SLV is already taken over by
computer, I think.
computer, I think.
c*y
18 楼
你要支持他，趁他走之前，让他请你吃饭啊
【在 t****g 的大作中提到】
: 老卡倒佳能？
【在 t****g 的大作中提到】
: 老卡倒佳能？
a*e
19 楼
看你得意的:D
【在 C****a 的大作中提到】
: haha
【在 C****a 的大作中提到】
: haha
D*X
20 楼
UPdate: body is pending now
lens still for sale
lens still for sale
C*a
21 楼
消毒疫情。
【在 a*****e 的大作中提到】
: 看你得意的:D
x5
22 楼
无敌兔真是刚需啊
排包子。。。
【在 D***X 的大作中提到】
: UPdate: body is pending now
: lens still for sale
排包子。。。
【在 D***X 的大作中提到】
: UPdate: body is pending now
: lens still for sale
a*e
23 楼
我是你的粉丝呀.
【在 C****a 的大作中提到】
:
: 消毒疫情。
【在 C****a 的大作中提到】
:
: 消毒疫情。
s*6
24 楼
有包子？排上先。
a*e
25 楼
又有短线的冲动了.
【在 C****a 的大作中提到】
: All these bullshit are computer driven. SLV is already taken over by
: computer, I think.
【在 C****a 的大作中提到】
: All these bullshit are computer driven. SLV is already taken over by
: computer, I think.
D*X
26 楼
刚需 a head!
I will never jump onto such deal again!
Next time, I will just buy from holy-doctors here
【在 x5 的大作中提到】
: 无敌兔真是刚需啊
: 排包子。。。
I will never jump onto such deal again!
Next time, I will just buy from holy-doctors here
【在 x5 的大作中提到】
: 无敌兔真是刚需啊
: 排包子。。。
w*1
27 楼
早上就填了一个gap，还是你狠。
【在 C****a 的大作中提到】
: All these bullshit are computer driven. SLV is already taken over by
: computer, I think.
【在 C****a 的大作中提到】
: All these bullshit are computer driven. SLV is already taken over by
: computer, I think.
t*g
28 楼
你入5D2?
【在 D***X 的大作中提到】
: 刚需 a head!
: I will never jump onto such deal again!
: Next time, I will just buy from holy-doctors here
【在 D***X 的大作中提到】
: 刚需 a head!
: I will never jump onto such deal again!
: Next time, I will just buy from holy-doctors here
a*e
29 楼
if so, most systems are trending systems.
and stop market order.
for silver market, stop limit order just won't work.
it's easy to have chain reaction.
【在 C****a 的大作中提到】
: All these bullshit are computer driven. SLV is already taken over by
: computer, I think.
and stop market order.
for silver market, stop limit order just won't work.
it's easy to have chain reaction.
【在 C****a 的大作中提到】
: All these bullshit are computer driven. SLV is already taken over by
: computer, I think.
D*X
30 楼
you didn't know?
found it too toxic
【在 t****g 的大作中提到】
: 你入5D2?
found it too toxic
【在 t****g 的大作中提到】
: 你入5D2?
w*1
31 楼
why slv 是computer driven？
si，slv options 那么多。。这个连带不是那么容易吧？
而且还有gold跟着动。
【在 a*****e 的大作中提到】
: if so, most systems are trending systems.
: and stop market order.
: for silver market, stop limit order just won't work.
: it's easy to have chain reaction.
si，slv options 那么多。。这个连带不是那么容易吧？
而且还有gold跟着动。
【在 a*****e 的大作中提到】
: if so, most systems are trending systems.
: and stop market order.
: for silver market, stop limit order just won't work.
: it's easy to have chain reaction.
m*x
32 楼
zkss?
to be honest, I really hate Canon's shutter sound: very cheapo ah... //esc
【在 D***X 的大作中提到】
: you didn't know?
: found it too toxic
to be honest, I really hate Canon's shutter sound: very cheapo ah... //esc
【在 D***X 的大作中提到】
: you didn't know?
: found it too toxic
a*e
33 楼
她ETF的options还吃得消啊。
要是期货，这一个合约就上下两三万了，就你玩得起了。
【在 w********1 的大作中提到】
: 早上就填了一个gap，还是你狠。
要是期货，这一个合约就上下两三万了，就你玩得起了。
【在 w********1 的大作中提到】
: 早上就填了一个gap，还是你狠。
x5
34 楼
送两耳塞。。
【在 m***x 的大作中提到】
: zkss?
: to be honest, I really hate Canon's shutter sound: very cheapo ah... //esc
【在 m***x 的大作中提到】
: zkss?
: to be honest, I really hate Canon's shutter sound: very cheapo ah... //esc
w*1
35 楼
我今天盘中最后的short是45。88cover的4，5个：（
当时看不明白，银子又还不熟悉，觉得downtrend不再。
【在 a*****e 的大作中提到】
: 她ETF的options还吃得消啊。
: 要是期货，这一个合约就上下两三万了，就你玩得起了。
当时看不明白，银子又还不熟悉，觉得downtrend不再。
【在 a*****e 的大作中提到】
: 她ETF的options还吃得消啊。
: 要是期货，这一个合约就上下两三万了，就你玩得起了。
D*X
36 楼
I don't know, since I did not test it at all
【在 m***x 的大作中提到】
: zkss?
: to be honest, I really hate Canon's shutter sound: very cheapo ah... //esc
【在 m***x 的大作中提到】
: zkss?
: to be honest, I really hate Canon's shutter sound: very cheapo ah... //esc
a*e
37 楼
这种东西，说白了就等exhausted bar之后，
跟floor trader做短线countertrend最好。
昨晚我刚点下单，就看见跳到1000了。
unrealized P&L显示都跟不上quote。
那个时间交易不多，last 不动，但是quotes上跳频率很快。
【在 w********1 的大作中提到】
: 我今天盘中最后的short是45。88cover的4，5个：（
: 当时看不明白，银子又还不熟悉，觉得downtrend不再。
跟floor trader做短线countertrend最好。
昨晚我刚点下单，就看见跳到1000了。
unrealized P&L显示都跟不上quote。
那个时间交易不多，last 不动，但是quotes上跳频率很快。
【在 w********1 的大作中提到】
: 我今天盘中最后的short是45。88cover的4，5个：（
: 当时看不明白，银子又还不熟悉，觉得downtrend不再。
m*x
38 楼
thx. I chose to stay in S instead~
【在 x5 的大作中提到】
: 送两耳塞。。
【在 x5 的大作中提到】
: 送两耳塞。。
w*7
39 楼
什么时候exhausted BAR？
【在 a*****e 的大作中提到】
: 这种东西，说白了就等exhausted bar之后，
: 跟floor trader做短线countertrend最好。
: 昨晚我刚点下单，就看见跳到1000了。
: unrealized P&L显示都跟不上quote。
: 那个时间交易不多，last 不动，但是quotes上跳频率很快。
【在 a*****e 的大作中提到】
: 这种东西，说白了就等exhausted bar之后，
: 跟floor trader做短线countertrend最好。
: 昨晚我刚点下单，就看见跳到1000了。
: unrealized P&L显示都跟不上quote。
: 那个时间交易不多，last 不动，但是quotes上跳频率很快。
s*e
40 楼
cong~~
本来我想说点什么，不过别人卖东西我还是少说得好……
【在 D***X 的大作中提到】
: UPdate: body is pending now
: lens still for sale
本来我想说点什么，不过别人卖东西我还是少说得好……
【在 D***X 的大作中提到】
: UPdate: body is pending now
: lens still for sale
w*1
41 楼
en.本来以为学银子可以倒贴n多金灯学费出来。哈哈。
不过差不多了。下次我少看点儿图应该就能不这么错了。
【在 a*****e 的大作中提到】
: 这种东西，说白了就等exhausted bar之后，
: 跟floor trader做短线countertrend最好。
: 昨晚我刚点下单，就看见跳到1000了。
: unrealized P&L显示都跟不上quote。
: 那个时间交易不多，last 不动，但是quotes上跳频率很快。
不过差不多了。下次我少看点儿图应该就能不这么错了。
【在 a*****e 的大作中提到】
: 这种东西，说白了就等exhausted bar之后，
: 跟floor trader做短线countertrend最好。
: 昨晚我刚点下单，就看见跳到1000了。
: unrealized P&L显示都跟不上quote。
: 那个时间交易不多，last 不动，但是quotes上跳频率很快。
m*x
42 楼
hahaha
open a different post to zkss?
【在 s*****e 的大作中提到】
: cong~~
: 本来我想说点什么，不过别人卖东西我还是少说得好……
open a different post to zkss?
【在 s*****e 的大作中提到】
: cong~~
: 本来我想说点什么，不过别人卖东西我还是少说得好……
w*7
43 楼
46时我买了100个PUT，结果丫带量蹦到46.2
吓我一跳，几分钟后赚个Buffet走人
现在后悔啊
这都谁操的盘啊，这么阴险
难道是计算机，感觉一卖就涨，一买就跌
【在 g********5 的大作中提到】
: 反弹高点买回7个weekly put
: 跟lili 大牛 lol
吓我一跳，几分钟后赚个Buffet走人
现在后悔啊
这都谁操的盘啊，这么阴险
难道是计算机，感觉一卖就涨，一买就跌
【在 g********5 的大作中提到】
: 反弹高点买回7个weekly put
: 跟lili 大牛 lol
a*e
44 楼
这年头，带量涨都不能理解为trend continuing了。
【在 w*****7 的大作中提到】
: 46时我买了100个PUT，结果丫带量蹦到46.2
: 吓我一跳，几分钟后赚个Buffet走人
: 现在后悔啊
: 这都谁操的盘啊，这么阴险
: 难道是计算机，感觉一卖就涨，一买就跌
【在 w*****7 的大作中提到】
: 46时我买了100个PUT，结果丫带量蹦到46.2
: 吓我一跳，几分钟后赚个Buffet走人
: 现在后悔啊
: 这都谁操的盘啊，这么阴险
: 难道是计算机，感觉一卖就涨，一买就跌
b*r
45 楼
floor traders看intra-day几分钟的exhausted bar？还是日线级别？
【在 a*****e 的大作中提到】
: 这年头，带量涨都不能理解为trend continuing了。
【在 a*****e 的大作中提到】
: 这年头，带量涨都不能理解为trend continuing了。
r*m
46 楼
这年头，只有文刀兄的气质炒股立于不败之地。俺的死捂炒股第二，可以保本。
【在 a*****e 的大作中提到】
: 这年头，带量涨都不能理解为trend continuing了。
【在 a*****e 的大作中提到】
: 这年头，带量涨都不能理解为trend continuing了。
a*e
47 楼
你们都是我的第二类偶像。
【在 r*m 的大作中提到】
: 这年头，只有文刀兄的气质炒股立于不败之地。俺的死捂炒股第二，可以保本。
【在 r*m 的大作中提到】
: 这年头，只有文刀兄的气质炒股立于不败之地。俺的死捂炒股第二，可以保本。
C*a
48 楼
LOL, most volume are "junk" volume
【在 a*****e 的大作中提到】
: 这年头，带量涨都不能理解为trend continuing了。
w*1
49 楼
怎么分别？
【在 C****a 的大作中提到】
:
: LOL, most volume are "junk" volume
【在 C****a 的大作中提到】
:
: LOL, most volume are "junk" volume
C*a
50 楼
1. Huge volume
2. Parabolic movement
3. Smooth curve
...
【在 w********1 的大作中提到】
: why slv 是computer driven？
: si，slv options 那么多。。这个连带不是那么容易吧？
: 而且还有gold跟着动。
r*m
51 楼
DT应该全是junk volumn。只有买了准备那一段时间的，才有传统意义上的TA效果。
a*e
52 楼
not really, just another way to interpret it.
If most of volume are from market-makers, it still suggestive.
only if you can distinguish, which is very tough.
【在 C****a 的大作中提到】
:
: 1. Huge volume
: 2. Parabolic movement
: 3. Smooth curve
: ...
If most of volume are from market-makers, it still suggestive.
only if you can distinguish, which is very tough.
【在 C****a 的大作中提到】
:
: 1. Huge volume
: 2. Parabolic movement
: 3. Smooth curve
: ...
w*7
53 楼
难道是计算机做TA图来欺骗散户的钱？
【在 C****a 的大作中提到】
:
: 1. Huge volume
: 2. Parabolic movement
: 3. Smooth curve
: ...
【在 C****a 的大作中提到】
:
: 1. Huge volume
: 2. Parabolic movement
: 3. Smooth curve
: ...
g*5
54 楼
Since u are back,recently i trade better and better :)
Following lili, we all in hiahia
【在 C****a 的大作中提到】
:
: 1. Huge volume
: 2. Parabolic movement
: 3. Smooth curve
: ...
Following lili, we all in hiahia
【在 C****a 的大作中提到】
:
: 1. Huge volume
: 2. Parabolic movement
: 3. Smooth curve
: ...
C*a
55 楼
Just kidding. I mean most of recent SLV volume come from high frequent
trading.
I did a test before: for benchmark, the volume is positively correlated
volatility.
【在 w********1 的大作中提到】
: 怎么分别？
a*e
56 楼
no, market makers contributes to at least 50% of the volume.
I guess the figure should be much higher.
Nowadays, 90% of the trading volumes are by trading programs.
【在 w*****7 的大作中提到】
: 难道是计算机做TA图来欺骗散户的钱？
I guess the figure should be much higher.
Nowadays, 90% of the trading volumes are by trading programs.
【在 w*****7 的大作中提到】
: 难道是计算机做TA图来欺骗散户的钱？
g*5
57 楼
买太多心会慌
哈每天吃把非特感觉好些拉
【在 w*****7 的大作中提到】
: 46时我买了100个PUT，结果丫带量蹦到46.2
: 吓我一跳，几分钟后赚个Buffet走人
: 现在后悔啊
: 这都谁操的盘啊，这么阴险
: 难道是计算机，感觉一卖就涨，一买就跌
哈每天吃把非特感觉好些拉
【在 w*****7 的大作中提到】
: 46时我买了100个PUT，结果丫带量蹦到46.2
: 吓我一跳，几分钟后赚个Buffet走人
: 现在后悔啊
: 这都谁操的盘啊，这么阴险
: 难道是计算机，感觉一卖就涨，一买就跌
r*m
58 楼
nod。
这种HFT产生的volume不能构成传统意义上的support， resistance等等。
【在 C****a 的大作中提到】
:
: Just kidding. I mean most of recent SLV volume come from high frequent
: trading.
: I did a test before: for benchmark, the volume is positively correlated
: volatility.
这种HFT产生的volume不能构成传统意义上的support， resistance等等。
【在 C****a 的大作中提到】
:
: Just kidding. I mean most of recent SLV volume come from high frequent
: trading.
: I did a test before: for benchmark, the volume is positively correlated
: volatility.
C*a
59 楼
No, I just mean those computer trading will generate very strong momentum ...
【在 w*****7 的大作中提到】
: 难道是计算机做TA图来欺骗散户的钱？
a*e
60 楼
I agree, majority commodities volumes are traded by high frequency
programs. a lot of volumes are market maker type.
【在 C****a 的大作中提到】
:
: No, I just mean those computer trading will generate very strong momentum ...
programs. a lot of volumes are market maker type.
【在 C****a 的大作中提到】
:
: No, I just mean those computer trading will generate very strong momentum ...
w*1
61 楼
ok 。 你周五看出来要跌的？还是周四？thanks
【在 C****a 的大作中提到】
:
: No, I just mean those computer trading will generate very strong momentum ...
【在 C****a 的大作中提到】
:
: No, I just mean those computer trading will generate very strong momentum ...
a*e
62 楼
CME increased margin for SLV for the third time today,
effective tomorrow.
this might triggered the sell-off in the afternoon.
...
【在 C****a 的大作中提到】
:
: No, I just mean those computer trading will generate very strong momentum ...
effective tomorrow.
this might triggered the sell-off in the afternoon.
...
【在 C****a 的大作中提到】
:
: No, I just mean those computer trading will generate very strong momentum ...
u*e
63 楼
commodity都是博傻, 负和游戏
r*m
64 楼
short呢， 正和游戏？
【在 u********e 的大作中提到】
: commodity都是博傻, 负和游戏
【在 u********e 的大作中提到】
: commodity都是博傻, 负和游戏
C*a
65 楼
Why? The margin increase is the same for bulls and bears, right?
【在 a*****e 的大作中提到】
: CME increased margin for SLV for the third time today,
: effective tomorrow.
: this might triggered the sell-off in the afternoon.
:
: ...
a*e
66 楼
far from it.
commodities has less transaction cost compared with most non-dividend
stocks.
【在 u********e 的大作中提到】
: commodity都是博傻, 负和游戏
commodities has less transaction cost compared with most non-dividend
stocks.
【在 u********e 的大作中提到】
: commodity都是博傻, 负和游戏
B*r
67 楼
HIG
这年头，只有文刀兄的气质炒股立于不败之地。俺的死捂炒股第二，可以保本。
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【在 r*m 的大作中提到】
: 这年头，只有文刀兄的气质炒股立于不败之地。俺的死捂炒股第二，可以保本。
这年头，只有文刀兄的气质炒股立于不败之地。俺的死捂炒股第二，可以保本。
★ Sent from iPhone App: iReader Mitbbs 6.88 - iPhone Lite
【在 r*m 的大作中提到】
: 这年头，只有文刀兄的气质炒股立于不败之地。俺的死捂炒股第二，可以保本。
u*e
68 楼
short 也是负和游戏
因为你要pay 借的equity利息
【在 r*m 的大作中提到】
: short呢， 正和游戏？
因为你要pay 借的equity利息
【在 r*m 的大作中提到】
: short呢， 正和游戏？
a*e
69 楼
You know, there are still much much more bulls than bears
from speculators side, even net long decreases 26% last week.
【在 C****a 的大作中提到】
:
: Why? The margin increase is the same for bulls and bears, right?
from speculators side, even net long decreases 26% last week.
【在 C****a 的大作中提到】
:
: Why? The margin increase is the same for bulls and bears, right?
C*a
70 楼
Remember the flash crash?
Isn't it the majority of trading algorithms are chasing momentum?
【在 a*****e 的大作中提到】
: if so, most systems are trending systems.
: and stop market order.
: for silver market, stop limit order just won't work.
: it's easy to have chain reaction.
v*k
71 楼
lili 大牛，slv 下看多少？
【在 C****a 的大作中提到】
:
: Remember the flash crash?
: Isn't it the majority of trading algorithms are chasing momentum?
【在 C****a 的大作中提到】
:
: Remember the flash crash?
: Isn't it the majority of trading algorithms are chasing momentum?
a*e
72 楼
for managed money bucket,
the long/short/spread open interest ends in 26th was
30,538 7,295 13,098
compared with one week ago,
long decreased 2,753
short increased 845
overall, I think hedge funds are still net long heavily.
There are ppl saying we will have mass stop buy momentum on $50
the long/short/spread open interest ends in 26th was
30,538 7,295 13,098
compared with one week ago,
long decreased 2,753
short increased 845
overall, I think hedge funds are still net long heavily.
There are ppl saying we will have mass stop buy momentum on $50
C*a
73 楼
I guess bears will push it to at least 42 level, which is the low last night
.
【在 v*****k 的大作中提到】
: lili 大牛，slv 下看多少？
u*e
74 楼
Don't forget the "Contango"
And remember as a commodity contract holder, you have to pay for the storage
and all other related expense for it
Non-dividend stocks usually will be supported by the earning growth except
the penny stocks. And most of all, there are always a group of people in
the company working hard trying to make money for stock holders if the
company is a good company.
For commodity, it is just a game between buyer and seller. Nothing else.
Above all, commodity is only a way of carry the wealth, not a way of
creating wealth.
【在 a*****e 的大作中提到】
: far from it.
: commodities has less transaction cost compared with most non-dividend
: stocks.
And remember as a commodity contract holder, you have to pay for the storage
and all other related expense for it
Non-dividend stocks usually will be supported by the earning growth except
the penny stocks. And most of all, there are always a group of people in
the company working hard trying to make money for stock holders if the
company is a good company.
For commodity, it is just a game between buyer and seller. Nothing else.
Above all, commodity is only a way of carry the wealth, not a way of
creating wealth.
【在 a*****e 的大作中提到】
: far from it.
: commodities has less transaction cost compared with most non-dividend
: stocks.
a*e
75 楼
SEC claims that one trade with 15000 ES
triggered a lot of stop market order.
The chance to trigger flash crash by stop limit order is lower.
Normally, I guess most of the programs will use stop limit order
but set the limit order by the short-term volatility it forecasts.
This scenarios could trigger flash crash does not prove it did it.
Even theoretically it's crystally clear.
【在 C****a 的大作中提到】
:
: I guess bears will push it to at least 42 level, which is the low last night
: .
triggered a lot of stop market order.
The chance to trigger flash crash by stop limit order is lower.
Normally, I guess most of the programs will use stop limit order
but set the limit order by the short-term volatility it forecasts.
This scenarios could trigger flash crash does not prove it did it.
Even theoretically it's crystally clear.
【在 C****a 的大作中提到】
:
: I guess bears will push it to at least 42 level, which is the low last night
: .
a*e
76 楼
Of course, I did not deny derivatives are negative sum game.
it's common sense.
I was comparing the transaction cost.
You are describing some philosophy which I don't share.
most ppl claimed to be stock investors are no more than long term speculators.
I agree, speculations in commodities often manipulate the price and often bring the cost of productions higher.
They have no intention to lower/take the risk of producers/consumers but just profit-seeker
storage
【在 u********e 的大作中提到】
: Don't forget the "Contango"
: And remember as a commodity contract holder, you have to pay for the storage
: and all other related expense for it
: Non-dividend stocks usually will be supported by the earning growth except
: the penny stocks. And most of all, there are always a group of people in
: the company working hard trying to make money for stock holders if the
: company is a good company.
: For commodity, it is just a game between buyer and seller. Nothing else.
: Above all, commodity is only a way of carry the wealth, not a way of
: creating wealth.
it's common sense.
I was comparing the transaction cost.
You are describing some philosophy which I don't share.
most ppl claimed to be stock investors are no more than long term speculators.
I agree, speculations in commodities often manipulate the price and often bring the cost of productions higher.
They have no intention to lower/take the risk of producers/consumers but just profit-seeker
storage
【在 u********e 的大作中提到】
: Don't forget the "Contango"
: And remember as a commodity contract holder, you have to pay for the storage
: and all other related expense for it
: Non-dividend stocks usually will be supported by the earning growth except
: the penny stocks. And most of all, there are always a group of people in
: the company working hard trying to make money for stock holders if the
: company is a good company.
: For commodity, it is just a game between buyer and seller. Nothing else.
: Above all, commodity is only a way of carry the wealth, not a way of
: creating wealth.
a*e
77 楼
storage
what stupid speculators will hold the contract till settlement. even that,
their are a lot cash settlement product too.
【在 u********e 的大作中提到】
: Don't forget the "Contango"
: And remember as a commodity contract holder, you have to pay for the storage
: and all other related expense for it
: Non-dividend stocks usually will be supported by the earning growth except
: the penny stocks. And most of all, there are always a group of people in
: the company working hard trying to make money for stock holders if the
: company is a good company.
: For commodity, it is just a game between buyer and seller. Nothing else.
: Above all, commodity is only a way of carry the wealth, not a way of
: creating wealth.
u*e
78 楼
It does not matter, the cost will be shared by all the contract holders.
The longer you hold it, the higher cost you have to bear.
The cash settlement does not relief the cost burden either if you are
trading the commodity derivatives.
【在 a*****e 的大作中提到】
:
: storage
: what stupid speculators will hold the contract till settlement. even that,
: their are a lot cash settlement product too.
C*a
79 楼
actually i shorted on Wed's close, a little bit early.
It mainly served as a hedge for my long...
【在 w********1 的大作中提到】
: ok 。 你周五看出来要跌的？还是周四？thanks
u*e
80 楼
Well said. To bet on the commodity derivative is a pure speculation on
a negative sum game.
It is not a good game for normal investors. There is better way to bet
on the commodity if you do believe the commodity price will rise. For
example, you can buy "GOLD" (Randgold Resources Ltd) if you want to bet
that the gold price will continue to rise.
Anyway, derivative has its own merits to attract speculators since it
usually will provide very high leverage than other equities.
speculators.
often bring the cost of productions higher.
but just profit-seeker
【在 a*****e 的大作中提到】
: Of course, I did not deny derivatives are negative sum game.
: it's common sense.
: I was comparing the transaction cost.
: You are describing some philosophy which I don't share.
: most ppl claimed to be stock investors are no more than long term speculators.
: I agree, speculations in commodities often manipulate the price and often bring the cost of productions higher.
: They have no intention to lower/take the risk of producers/consumers but just profit-seeker
:
: storage
a negative sum game.
It is not a good game for normal investors. There is better way to bet
on the commodity if you do believe the commodity price will rise. For
example, you can buy "GOLD" (Randgold Resources Ltd) if you want to bet
that the gold price will continue to rise.
Anyway, derivative has its own merits to attract speculators since it
usually will provide very high leverage than other equities.
speculators.
often bring the cost of productions higher.
but just profit-seeker
【在 a*****e 的大作中提到】
: Of course, I did not deny derivatives are negative sum game.
: it's common sense.
: I was comparing the transaction cost.
: You are describing some philosophy which I don't share.
: most ppl claimed to be stock investors are no more than long term speculators.
: I agree, speculations in commodities often manipulate the price and often bring the cost of productions higher.
: They have no intention to lower/take the risk of producers/consumers but just profit-seeker
:
: storage
w*1
81 楼
lol. I see.
I was trying to go through the tape to review silver action :D
【在 C****a 的大作中提到】
:
: actually i shorted on Wed's close, a little bit early.
: It mainly served as a hedge for my long...
I was trying to go through the tape to review silver action :D
【在 C****a 的大作中提到】
:
: actually i shorted on Wed's close, a little bit early.
: It mainly served as a hedge for my long...
s*r
82 楼
相思偶们了， LiliMM，你名字真好听
【在 C****a 的大作中提到】
: haha
【在 C****a 的大作中提到】
: haha
a*e
83 楼
You are simply wrong about it.
The cost is taken by bull or bear, never both. depends on it
Backswam or contango, and it will be offset when you
Liquid your position. No matter it's cost or premium.
Commodities are short term for speculators in nature.
You won't feel the cost or premium as it's smaller than spread
Within your holding period.
Of course, it's a different story for commercials.
Actually, speculators with big capital sometimes are
Willing to take the delivery with huge storage cost as
Long as they thought they can manipulate demand and
Supply.
There are such examples.
【在 u********e 的大作中提到】
: Well said. To bet on the commodity derivative is a pure speculation on
: a negative sum game.
: It is not a good game for normal investors. There is better way to bet
: on the commodity if you do believe the commodity price will rise. For
: example, you can buy "GOLD" (Randgold Resources Ltd) if you want to bet
: that the gold price will continue to rise.
: Anyway, derivative has its own merits to attract speculators since it
: usually will provide very high leverage than other equities.
:
: speculators.
The cost is taken by bull or bear, never both. depends on it
Backswam or contango, and it will be offset when you
Liquid your position. No matter it's cost or premium.
Commodities are short term for speculators in nature.
You won't feel the cost or premium as it's smaller than spread
Within your holding period.
Of course, it's a different story for commercials.
Actually, speculators with big capital sometimes are
Willing to take the delivery with huge storage cost as
Long as they thought they can manipulate demand and
Supply.
There are such examples.
【在 u********e 的大作中提到】
: Well said. To bet on the commodity derivative is a pure speculation on
: a negative sum game.
: It is not a good game for normal investors. There is better way to bet
: on the commodity if you do believe the commodity price will rise. For
: example, you can buy "GOLD" (Randgold Resources Ltd) if you want to bet
: that the gold price will continue to rise.
: Anyway, derivative has its own merits to attract speculators since it
: usually will provide very high leverage than other equities.
:
: speculators.
C*a
84 楼
again.
C*a
85 楼
【在 s*****r 的大作中提到】
: 相思偶们了， LiliMM，你名字真好听
C*a
86 楼
Now it is testing the Sunday night low.
g*5
87 楼
又跟lili上了几个weekly扑
43.8的时候 :)
【在 C****a 的大作中提到】
: Now it is testing the Sunday night low.
43.8的时候 :)
【在 C****a 的大作中提到】
: Now it is testing the Sunday night low.
C*a
88 楼
照您这个做法，马上可以退休了：）
【在 g********5 的大作中提到】
: 又跟lili上了几个weekly扑
: 43.8的时候 :)
g*5
89 楼
每次只有几个把非特呀
不象lili和村长,脚上的毛动一动就够我dt好几天了 哈哈
【在 C****a 的大作中提到】
:
: 照您这个做法，马上可以退休了：）
不象lili和村长,脚上的毛动一动就够我dt好几天了 哈哈
【在 C****a 的大作中提到】
:
: 照您这个做法，马上可以退休了：）
C*a
90 楼
这个breakdown很没劲，看来还要纠结一下。
g*5
91 楼
如果要break down 今天时间是够的
如果breaking down again的话,周五要到38了 ?
【在 C****a 的大作中提到】
: 这个breakdown很没劲，看来还要纠结一下。
如果breaking down again的话,周五要到38了 ?
【在 C****a 的大作中提到】
: 这个breakdown很没劲，看来还要纠结一下。
C*a
92 楼
先到42再说吧。。。这个貌似还是要大盘配合，刚才大盘会调，熊熊才趁机breakdown.
【在 g********5 的大作中提到】
: 如果要break down 今天时间是够的
: 如果breaking down again的话,周五要到38了 ?
g*5
93 楼
哈哈 开始配合了?
breakdown.
【在 C****a 的大作中提到】
:
: 先到42再说吧。。。这个貌似还是要大盘配合，刚才大盘会调，熊熊才趁机breakdown.
:
breakdown.
【在 C****a 的大作中提到】
:
: 先到42再说吧。。。这个貌似还是要大盘配合，刚才大盘会调，熊熊才趁机breakdown.
:
C*a
94 楼
现在熊很小心，星期天到这个点位，一下弹了50%；
现在熊熊是一点一点push to 42
跌穿42应该会有再一波selloff.
【在 g********5 的大作中提到】
: 哈哈 开始配合了?
:
: breakdown.
C*a
95 楼
I was out. reward/risk not attractive anymore ...
C*a
96 楼
short term pattern is kinda of bullish. reverse H&S, plus a cut-and-handle
... may test 43, I guess ...
... may test 43, I guess ...
g*5
97 楼
牛呀
Perfect Trading :)
【在 C****a 的大作中提到】
: I was out. reward/risk not attractive anymore ...
Perfect Trading :)
【在 C****a 的大作中提到】
: I was out. reward/risk not attractive anymore ...
C*a
98 楼
Hmm.... What is cost?
reward/risk is based on my system ... You must mean some standard way to
calculate reward/risk?
aripple, your mail box must be full.
【在 C****a 的大作中提到】
: I was out. reward/risk not attractive anymore ...
C*a
99 楼
还是不如您做的精确。
【在 g********5 的大作中提到】
: 牛呀
: Perfect Trading :)
a*e
100 楼
我是说把银子挖出来变成成品的cost，
我在想这疯炒，唉，我要是有做银矿多好呀。
to
【在 C****a 的大作中提到】
:
: 还是不如您做的精确。
我在想这疯炒，唉，我要是有做银矿多好呀。
to
【在 C****a 的大作中提到】
:
: 还是不如您做的精确。
g*5
101 楼
haha I am just following u!
【在 C****a 的大作中提到】
:
: 还是不如您做的精确。
【在 C****a 的大作中提到】
:
: 还是不如您做的精确。
v*h
102 楼
31-48,做他几回。
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