有很多人(包括美国华人,美国其它族裔甚至中国国内的朋友),认为已经道歉了,没 必要再揪住不放,作whining babies,让人觉得无理取闹了。 然而事情不是这样的。LA游行JK道歉的录像我看了,明显JK在绕着圈子说,而抗议者只 是说要向13亿中国人道歉,道歉没诚意什么的,都没说到点子上,真让人着急。 接下来的斗争策略非常关键,不然反而起坏作用。 我不断的重复 --- 明天游行,策略 和斗争的重点一定一定要有针对性而正确有效。 一 定要针对他们的道歉做文章,清楚陈述为什么其实他们的道歉反而更糟糕,我们需要他 们怎样来弥补他们的过错。 让大众看到我们不是抱怨,我们是对美国社会负责的群体 。这样才能得到所有人的共鸣和支持。 下面有一些简单的文字,I URGE YOU TO READ THROUGH AND USE AT LEAST SOME OF THEM WHEN PROTESTING. 我们必须有logic, rationale and valid reasoning. What bothers us even more than the show itself is the irrelevant and ineffective apologies by ABC and JK. In the apologies, they neither acknowledged the misconduct of the inappropriate racism joke nor addressed the violence promoting issue. They only said it was a bad joke and "sorry if you didn't think it was a joke and upset you". It does not sound like JK or ABC has realized or cared about the profound impact and disastrous consequences this show created. When the mainstream media does not care about its responsibility for a healthy society, it generates serious worries. Now our minds are heavily burdened with the thoughts, fears and worries about our future and our children’s future in this country. Promoting violence and promoting hatred is just NOT something we do on TV or anywhere else. Period. If ABC does not take actions, we will. We demand a sincere apology from ABC /Disney specifically addressing the racism and violence promoting issues. They need to acknowledge the mistake they made. The general public needs to know that episode of the show was NOT okay in anyway. We also demand that ABC/Disney come up with a program to effectively create positive influence touching on these two issues. "
【在 m**********e 的大作中提到】 : 有很多人(包括美国华人,美国其它族裔甚至中国国内的朋友),认为已经道歉了,没 : 必要再揪住不放,作whining babies,让人觉得无理取闹了。 : 然而事情不是这样的。LA游行JK道歉的录像我看了,明显JK在绕着圈子说,而抗议者只 : 是说要向13亿中国人道歉,道歉没诚意什么的,都没说到点子上,真让人着急。 : 接下来的斗争策略非常关键,不然反而起坏作用。 我不断的重复 --- 明天游行,策略 : 和斗争的重点一定一定要有针对性而正确有效。 一 : 定要针对他们的道歉做文章,清楚陈述为什么其实他们的道歉反而更糟糕,我们需要他 : 们怎样来弥补他们的过错。 让大众看到我们不是抱怨,我们是对美国社会负责的群体 : 。这样才能得到所有人的共鸣和支持。 : 下面有一些简单的文字,I URGE YOU TO READ THROUGH AND USE AT LEAST SOME OF
x*3
6 楼
低头 有2600+your label 多好 包子
【在 E**A 的大作中提到】 : rt
I*M
7 楼
support!!!!! If Mr. Kimmel doesn't know how to apologize, here is a speech for him, written by a friend (a white guy) on fb. An apology would be: "On a recent episode of our show we did something very wrong and very reprehensible. We made a joke out of killing Chinese people. We made it sound like genocide was in some cases cool and funny. That was completely unacceptable! It is anathema to everything the USA stands for: which is that “all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.” I deeply apologize for what I did and what I said. In recognition of the seriousness of this infraction we will not broadcast our show for a week, I will pay a hefty fine (to fund anti-racism teaching) and we are forever cancelling out ‘Kids Table’ segment (which also needlessly exploited these children who are now all infamous because of this which will impact their futures negatively) All of this was my fault. I take full responsibility and will never ever make a racially insensitive comment ever again. I also apologize for my previous apology (above) where I said ‘maybe you didn’t understand because of cultural reasons.’ Everyone of every culture knows what the show implied and all people of conscience of all cultures have now set me straight. Thank You for reading this.”
E*A
8 楼
your label是什么啊?
o*m
9 楼
我觉得游行时应该带上ipad, 现场帮助大家签名petition
j*n
10 楼
就是你付shipping fee
【在 E**A 的大作中提到】 : your label是什么啊?
o*e
11 楼
He needs to apologize for manipulating the kids with loaded questions, subtly scapegoating China for US debt problem when China holds <1/20 US government obligations. His clip also showed the classic case of Race- scapegoating leading to Hate Speech leading to Hate Crime. Exactly the way Nazis manipulated German public opinion to start the Holocaust. And to think genocide suggestion is acceptable to air even funny, and apologize as if we are humorless who can't get his sophisticated satire, that is further transgression. Disney and ABC needs to take responsibility for creating an environment of total disregard to human life and dignity, for cheap laughs. Disney will be boycotted, sued and bankrupted if they don't get the core point.
【在 o**********e 的大作中提到】 : He needs to apologize for manipulating the kids with loaded questions, : subtly scapegoating China for US debt problem when China holds <1/20 US : government obligations. His clip also showed the classic case of Race- : scapegoating leading to Hate Speech leading to Hate Crime. Exactly the way : Nazis manipulated German public opinion to start the Holocaust. : And to think genocide suggestion is acceptable to air even funny, and : apologize as if we are humorless who can't get his sophisticated satire, : that is further transgression. Disney and ABC needs to take responsibility : for creating an environment of total disregard to human life and dignity, : for cheap laughs.
其实scapegoating 都不用说。 国于国之间的事不用说。国债这种东西根本不用提。 一定要说到点子上。 hit the sweet spot. 1. 引导小孩说谋杀言论。 2. 种族仇恨及种族灭绝言论。
E*A
20 楼
对啊
b*g
21 楼
对,要他们承认错误 他们到现在还用joke,entertainment 做挡箭牌
【在 m**********e 的大作中提到】 : 有很多人(包括美国华人,美国其它族裔甚至中国国内的朋友),认为已经道歉了,没 : 必要再揪住不放,作whining babies,让人觉得无理取闹了。 : 然而事情不是这样的。LA游行JK道歉的录像我看了,明显JK在绕着圈子说,而抗议者只 : 是说要向13亿中国人道歉,道歉没诚意什么的,都没说到点子上,真让人着急。 : 接下来的斗争策略非常关键,不然反而起坏作用。 我不断的重复 --- 明天游行,策略 : 和斗争的重点一定一定要有针对性而正确有效。 一 : 定要针对他们的道歉做文章,清楚陈述为什么其实他们的道歉反而更糟糕,我们需要他 : 们怎样来弥补他们的过错。 让大众看到我们不是抱怨,我们是对美国社会负责的群体 : 。这样才能得到所有人的共鸣和支持。 : 下面有一些简单的文字,I URGE YOU TO READ THROUGH AND USE AT LEAST SOME OF
C*c
22 楼
kit现在不是应该2300嘛
b*g
23 楼
讲的对,就说这两点
【在 j****7 的大作中提到】 : 其实scapegoating 都不用说。 国于国之间的事不用说。国债这种东西根本不用提。 : 一定要说到点子上。 hit the sweet spot. : 1. 引导小孩说谋杀言论。 : 2. 种族仇恨及种族灭绝言论。
【在 m**********e 的大作中提到】 : 有很多人(包括美国华人,美国其它族裔甚至中国国内的朋友),认为已经道歉了,没 : 必要再揪住不放,作whining babies,让人觉得无理取闹了。 : 然而事情不是这样的。LA游行JK道歉的录像我看了,明显JK在绕着圈子说,而抗议者只 : 是说要向13亿中国人道歉,道歉没诚意什么的,都没说到点子上,真让人着急。 : 接下来的斗争策略非常关键,不然反而起坏作用。 我不断的重复 --- 明天游行,策略 : 和斗争的重点一定一定要有针对性而正确有效。 一 : 定要针对他们的道歉做文章,清楚陈述为什么其实他们的道歉反而更糟糕,我们需要他 : 们怎样来弥补他们的过错。 让大众看到我们不是抱怨,我们是对美国社会负责的群体 : 。这样才能得到所有人的共鸣和支持。 : 下面有一些简单的文字,I URGE YOU TO READ THROUGH AND USE AT LEAST SOME OF
b*6
28 楼
找paddy
【在 E**A 的大作中提到】 : 怎么搞?
k*s
29 楼
赞这个 国债的事跟我们毛关系都没有 有关系的是种族清洗议论,教唆小孩和观众歧视和杀中国人
【在 j****7 的大作中提到】 : 其实scapegoating 都不用说。 国于国之间的事不用说。国债这种东西根本不用提。 : 一定要说到点子上。 hit the sweet spot. : 1. 引导小孩说谋杀言论。 : 2. 种族仇恨及种族灭绝言论。
R*9
30 楼
really?
【在 C****c 的大作中提到】 : kit现在不是应该2300嘛
c*s
31 楼
支持,说的很好,有谁知道纽约方面有什么样的游行安排
c*s
32 楼
http://www.mitbbs.com/article_t/NewJersey/31884537.html 新泽西、纽约华人将在11月8日在纽约举行更大游行示威活动。届时更多华人及组织将 参加进来。 时间:11月8日,星期五,中午12:00到13:30 地点:ABC总部 ABC News Headquarters Office and General Entertainment 77 W 66th St (between Columbus Ave & Central Park West), New York, NY 10023 下周二,11月5日,将在纽约召开新闻发布会。将制作统一的标语,同时欢迎各位青年 才俊发挥创造力,自制独特新颖的标语牌。 ****************************************************** 报名网址如下,请各位转发。 Dear All: A protest against ABC will be held in NYC on Friday, November 8th, 2013. Please come out to join our forces fighting over racial hatred directly against Chinese people: Address: ABC News Headquarters Office and General Entertainment 77 W 66th St (between Columbus Ave & Central Park West), New York, NY 10023 Time: 12pm-1:30pm Please use the following link to register so all of us will be united and all actions will be coordinated: https://register.eventarc.com/event/view/19382/entry/protest-abc Please help to communicate this to your friends, your communities, your associations and on social media. Our slogans and goals are: ABC Apologize! Disney Apologize! Fire Kimmel!!! Thank you for your support !新泽西、纽约华人将在11月8日在纽约举行更大游行示 威活动。届时更多华人及组织将 参加进来。 时间:11月8日,星期五,中午12:00到13:30 地点:ABC总部 ABC News Headquarters Office and General Entertainment 77 W 66th St (between Columbus Ave & Central Park West), New York, NY 10023 下周二,11月5日,将在纽约召开新闻发布会。将制作统一的标语,同时欢迎各位青年 才俊发挥创造力,自制独特新颖的标语牌。 ****************************************************** 报名网址如下,请各位转发。 Dear All: A protest against ABC will be held in NYC on Friday, November 8th, 2013. Please come out to join our forces fighting over racial hatred directly against Chinese people: Address: ABC News Headquarters Office and General Entertainment 77 W 66th St (between Columbus Ave & Central Park West), New York, NY 10023 Time: 12pm-1:30pm Please use the following link to register so all of us will be united and all actions will be coordinated: https://register.eventarc.com/event/view/19382/entry/protest-abc Please help to communicate this to your friends, your communities, your associations and on social media. Our slogans and goals are: ABC Apologize! Disney Apologize! Fire Kimmel!!! Thank you for your support !
【在 j****7 的大作中提到】 : 其实scapegoating 都不用说。 国于国之间的事不用说。国债这种东西根本不用提。 : 一定要说到点子上。 hit the sweet spot. : 1. 引导小孩说谋杀言论。 : 2. 种族仇恨及种族灭绝言论。
x*a
34 楼
赞
i*c
35 楼
Ding! I'm thinking how to indicate our requests in the next protest. 1. require ABC fire JK and other individuals responsible for letting it happen 2. ABC must air a formal apology through their channel, not just online, in which they must clearly state that 1) allowing this show to be aired is unacceptable and they must apologize for it; 2) saying "should we allow Chinese to live" is absolutely unacceptable and they must apologize for it 3. ABC must state what steps they will take to avoid such things happening again I personally believe that 1 is impossible, so whether include it or how to indicate it is still an issue. We urgently need an organization, otherwise our protests may go no where.
They must admit what they did was wrong. This is our bottom line. After they admit, we can take legal action using that as an evidence.
in
【在 i*****c 的大作中提到】 : Ding! : I'm thinking how to indicate our requests in the next protest. : 1. require ABC fire JK and other individuals responsible for letting it : happen : 2. ABC must air a formal apology through their channel, not just online, in : which they must clearly state that 1) allowing this show to be aired is : unacceptable and they must apologize for it; 2) saying "should we allow : Chinese to live" is absolutely unacceptable and they must apologize for it : 3. ABC must state what steps they will take to avoid such things happening : again
【在 o**********e 的大作中提到】 : He needs to apologize for manipulating the kids with loaded questions, : subtly scapegoating China for US debt problem when China holds <1/20 US : government obligations. His clip also showed the classic case of Race- : scapegoating leading to Hate Speech leading to Hate Crime. Exactly the way : Nazis manipulated German public opinion to start the Holocaust. : And to think genocide suggestion is acceptable to air even funny, and : apologize as if we are humorless who can't get his sophisticated satire, : that is further transgression. Disney and ABC needs to take responsibility : for creating an environment of total disregard to human life and dignity, : for cheap laughs.
b*3
39 楼
support!!!!!
p*y
40 楼
totally agree!
in
【在 i*****c 的大作中提到】 : Ding! : I'm thinking how to indicate our requests in the next protest. : 1. require ABC fire JK and other individuals responsible for letting it : happen : 2. ABC must air a formal apology through their channel, not just online, in : which they must clearly state that 1) allowing this show to be aired is : unacceptable and they must apologize for it; 2) saying "should we allow : Chinese to live" is absolutely unacceptable and they must apologize for it : 3. ABC must state what steps they will take to avoid such things happening : again
w*s
41 楼
顶, 谢谢楼主的建议和付出!
【在 m**********e 的大作中提到】 : 有很多人(包括美国华人,美国其它族裔甚至中国国内的朋友),认为已经道歉了,没 : 必要再揪住不放,作whining babies,让人觉得无理取闹了。 : 然而事情不是这样的。LA游行JK道歉的录像我看了,明显JK在绕着圈子说,而抗议者只 : 是说要向13亿中国人道歉,道歉没诚意什么的,都没说到点子上,真让人着急。 : 接下来的斗争策略非常关键,不然反而起坏作用。 我不断的重复 --- 明天游行,策略 : 和斗争的重点一定一定要有针对性而正确有效。 一 : 定要针对他们的道歉做文章,清楚陈述为什么其实他们的道歉反而更糟糕,我们需要他 : 们怎样来弥补他们的过错。 让大众看到我们不是抱怨,我们是对美国社会负责的群体 : 。这样才能得到所有人的共鸣和支持。 : 下面有一些简单的文字,I URGE YOU TO READ THROUGH AND USE AT LEAST SOME OF
【在 m**********e 的大作中提到】 : 有很多人(包括美国华人,美国其它族裔甚至中国国内的朋友),认为已经道歉了,没 : 必要再揪住不放,作whining babies,让人觉得无理取闹了。 : 然而事情不是这样的。LA游行JK道歉的录像我看了,明显JK在绕着圈子说,而抗议者只 : 是说要向13亿中国人道歉,道歉没诚意什么的,都没说到点子上,真让人着急。 : 接下来的斗争策略非常关键,不然反而起坏作用。 我不断的重复 --- 明天游行,策略 : 和斗争的重点一定一定要有针对性而正确有效。 一 : 定要针对他们的道歉做文章,清楚陈述为什么其实他们的道歉反而更糟糕,我们需要他 : 们怎样来弥补他们的过错。 让大众看到我们不是抱怨,我们是对美国社会负责的群体 : 。这样才能得到所有人的共鸣和支持。 : 下面有一些简单的文字,I URGE YOU TO READ THROUGH AND USE AT LEAST SOME OF
看看这个案例。 Hate speech 或者类似的行为恰恰是对别人自由的不必要不容忍,是违反第一修正案的。 In R.A.V. v. City of St. Paul, (1992), the issue of freedom to express hatred arose again when a gang of white racists burned a cross in the front yard of a black family. The local ordinance in St. Paul, Minnesota, criminalized such racist and hate-filled expressions and the teenager was charged thereunder. Scalia, writing for SCOTUS, held that the prohibition against hate speech was unconstitutional as it contravened the First Amendment. The Supreme Court struck down the ordinance. Scalia explicated the fighting words exception as follows: “The reason why fighting words are categorically excluded from the protection of the First Amendment is not that their content communicates any particular idea, but that their content embodies a particularly intolerable (and socially unnecessary) mode of expressing whatever idea the speaker wishes to convey.”[71] Because the hate speech ordinance was not concerned with the mode of expression, but with the content of expression, it was a violation of the freedom of speech. Thus, the Supreme Court embraced the idea that hate speech is permissible unless it will lead to imminent hate violence.[72]
言论自由受到宪法保护,包括hate speech。参见最高法院对Brandenburg v. Ohio案 的定案 "the constitutional guarantees of free speech and free press do not permit a State to forbid or proscribe advocacy of the use of force or of law violation except where such advocacy is directed to inciting or producing imminent lawless action and is likely to incite or produce such action." 所以在白宫签名试图让政府施压是不明智的,即使白宫作出回应,最多也就是告诉你 ,他们不同意Jimmy节目的message,但是根据宪法第一修正案,政府无权干涉
how about this: The Founding Fathers said in the preamble that one reason for establishing the Constitution was to "promote the general welfare." 这个 general里面包括了少数族裔。 言论自由没有错,但是JK作为public figure,ABC作为national TV, 他们是有社会责 任的。 我们没有说他们违反宪法,我们它们与宪法的精神背道而驰。 现在我们就是要他们承担这个责任。因为他们选择不承担,所以我们才在做我们现在做 的事。就是这样。
【在 p**m 的大作中提到】 : 言论自由受到宪法保护,包括hate speech。参见最高法院对Brandenburg v. Ohio案 : 的定案 : "the constitutional guarantees of free speech and free press do not permit : a State to forbid or proscribe advocacy of the use of force or of law : violation except where such advocacy is directed to inciting or producing : imminent lawless action and is likely to incite or produce such action." : 所以在白宫签名试图让政府施压是不明智的,即使白宫作出回应,最多也就是告诉你 : ,他们不同意Jimmy节目的message,但是根据宪法第一修正案,政府无权干涉
p*m
55 楼
你举出的这个案例,当事人用的是"fighting words",早在 Chaplinsky v. New Hampshire,最高法院就判定fighting words不受保护。而Jimmy这个事情上,连racial slur都没有用。 最后一句:speech is permissible unless it will lead to imminent hate violence,我不知道怎么证明
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【在 M**********7 的大作中提到】 : 看看这个案例。 : Hate speech 或者类似的行为恰恰是对别人自由的不必要不容忍,是违反第一修正案的。 : In R.A.V. v. City of St. Paul, (1992), the issue of freedom to express : hatred arose again when a gang of white racists burned a cross in the front : yard of a black family. The local ordinance in St. Paul, Minnesota, : criminalized such racist and hate-filled expressions and the teenager was : charged thereunder. Scalia, writing for SCOTUS, held that the prohibition : against hate speech was unconstitutional as it contravened the First : Amendment. The Supreme Court struck down the ordinance. Scalia explicated : the fighting words exception as follows: “The reason why fighting words are
【在 m**********e 的大作中提到】 : how about this: The Founding Fathers said in the preamble that one reason : for establishing the Constitution was to "promote the general welfare." 这个 : general里面包括了少数族裔。 : 言论自由没有错,但是JK作为public figure,ABC作为national TV, 他们是有社会责 : 任的。 我们没有说他们违反宪法,我们它们与宪法的精神背道而驰。 : 现在我们就是要他们承担这个责任。因为他们选择不承担,所以我们才在做我们现在做 : 的事。就是这样。