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S*6
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被邀请参加爱尔兰家庭的 St. Patricts' Day 的 Fare , 带什么礼物最好 ?
另外,是不是要穿上绿色衣服 ?
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w*r
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【 以下文字转载自 Military 讨论区 】
发信人: RRI (投资怪物), 信区: Military
标 题: Harvard Targeted in Asian Discrimination Probe
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu Feb 2 09:42:54 2012, 美东)
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-02-02/harvard-targeted-in-u-
The U.S. Education Department is probing complaints that Harvard University
and Princeton University discriminate against Asian-Americans in
undergraduate admissions.
The department’s Office for Civil Rights is investigating a complaint it
received in August that Harvard rejected an Asian- American candidate for
the current freshman class based on race or national origin, a department
spokesman said. The agency is looking into a similar August 2011 allegation
against Princeton as part of a review begun in 2008 of that school’s
handling of Asian-American candidates, said the spokesman, who declined to
be identified, citing department policy.
Both complaints involve the same applicant, who was among the top students
in his California high school class and whose family originally came from
India, according to the applicant’s father, who declined to be identified.
The new complaints, along with a case appealed last September to the U.S.
Supreme Court challenging preferences for blacks and Hispanics in college
admissions, may stir up the longstanding debate about whether elite
universities discriminate against Asian-Americans, the nation’s fastest-
growing and most affluent racial category.
Like Jews in the first half of the 20th century, who faced quotas at Harvard
, Princeton, and other Ivy League schools, Asian-Americans are over-
represented at top universities relative to their population, yet must meet
a higher standard than other applicants based on measures such as test
scores and high school grades, according to several academic studies.
Higher Bar
“Many Asian-Americans live for their children, sacrificing everything to
pay phenomenal tuition at these private schools,” said former Delaware
Lieutenant Governor S.B. Woo, president of the 80-20 Educational Foundation,
an Asian-American advocacy group. “They, at the same time, are very much
aware that their kids have to cross a much higher admissions bar.”
Harvard “does not discriminate against Asian-American applicants,” and
doesn’t comment on the specifics of complaints under federal review,
spokesman Jeff Neal said. Asian-Americans comprised 16 percent of Harvard
undergraduates in the 2010-2011 academic year, down from 18 percent in 2005-
2006, according to the university’s website.
“Our review of every applicant’s file is highly individualized and
holistic, as we give serious consideration to all of the information we
receive and all of the ways in which the candidate might contribute to our
vibrant educational environment and community,” Neal said.
‘Neutral Fact-Finder’
In a Jan. 11 letter to Cambridge, Massachusetts-based Harvard and to the
complainant, notifying them that it would investigate the allegation, the
Office for Civil Rights said that the action “in no way implies that OCR
has made a determination with regard to its merits. During the investigation
, OCR is a neutral fact-finder.”
The agency doesn’t release the names of complainants. While the Office for
Civil Rights has the power to terminate federal financial aid to colleges,
it almost always negotiates agreements with schools on steps required for
compliance, rather than taking enforcement action, the Education Department
spokesman said.
Princeton is aware of the 2011 complaint and will provide the government
with the requested information, university spokesman Martin Mbugua said. The
college, in Princeton, New Jersey, doesn’t discriminate on the basis of
race or national origin, he said.
“We make admissions decisions on a case-by-case basis in our efforts to
build a well-rounded, diverse class,” Mbugua said.
Fluctuating Rates
The proportion of Asian-Americans among Princeton undergraduates increased
to 17.7% this year from 14.1% in 2007- 2008. The rise reflects the tendency
of incoming classes to “fluctuate based on the assessment of individual
applications” rather than the impact of the federal review, Mbugua said.
A Chinese-American student, Jian Li, filed a complaint against Princeton
with the Education Department in 2006, alleging discrimination on the basis
of race or national origin. Li, who scored the maximum 2400 on the SAT and
2390 -- 10 points below the ceiling -- on subject tests in physics,
chemistry and calculus, was denied admission by Princeton, Harvard, Stanford
University, and the Massachusetts Institute of Technology.
In 2008, the Office for Civil Rights broadened its examination of Li’s
complaint into a compliance review of whether Princeton discriminates
against Asian-Americans.
‘Substantially Identical’
Because the 2011 complaint against Princeton “raised substantially
identical issues,” the agency is folding it into the compliance review, the
Education Department spokesman said. Li enrolled at Yale University and
later transferred to Harvard, graduating in 2010. He declined to comment,
citing concerns about a backlash.
The Education Department received a complaint in September that Yale, in New
Haven, Connecticut, rejected an Asian-American applicant on the basis of
race, the department spokesman said. The complainant later withdrew the
allegation. It also involved the Indian-American student from California,
his father said.
Yale is unaware of the complaint, spokesman Thomas Conroy said. Asian-
Americans make up 15 percent of Yale undergraduates.
Asian-American applicants have to outperform their counterparts from other
backgrounds on the SAT to gain entry to elite universities, recent studies
show.
Test Scores
Asian-Americans admitted to the University of Wisconsin’s flagship Madison
campus in 2008 had a median math and reading SAT score of 1370 out of 1600,
compared to 1340 for whites, 1250 for Hispanics, and 1190 for blacks,
according to a 2011 study by the Center for Equal Opportunity, a Falls
Church, Virginia-based nonprofit group that opposes racial preferences in
college admissions.
“Clearly, both whites and Asian-Americans are discriminated against vis a
vis African-Americans and Latinos,” said Roger Clegg, the center’s
president. “At some of the more selective schools, Asians are also
discriminated against vis a vis whites.”
Because many Asian-Americans come from families that arrived in the U.S.
relatively recently, they are less likely than whites to qualify for
preference as alumni children, Clegg said. “Stereotyping takes place too”
of Asian-Americans, he said.
Asian-American students who enrolled at Duke University in Durham, North
Carolina in 2001 and 2002 scored 1457 out of 1600 on the math and reading
portion of the SAT, compared to 1416 for whites, 1347 for Hispanics and 1275
for blacks, according to a 2011 study co-authored by Duke economist Peter
Arcidiacono.
Higher Standard
If all other credentials are equal, Asian-Americans need to score 140 points
more than whites, 270 points higher than Hispanics, and 450 points above
African-Americans out of a maximum 1600 on the math and reading SAT to have
the same chance of admission to a private college, according to “No Longer
Separate, Not Yet Equal,” a 2009 book co-written by Princeton sociologist
Thomas Espenshade.
Budget-strapped state schools such as the University of California at San
Diego are reducing enrollment of Asian- Americans to make room for
international students from China and elsewhere who pay almost twice the
tuition of in-state residents, Bloomberg News reported Dec. 28.
Asian-American organizations are weighing in on both sides of a federal
lawsuit filed on behalf of Abigail Noel Fisher, a white student who was
rejected in 2008 by the University of Texas at Austin. Fisher v. Texas marks
the first federal court challenge to affirmative action in college
admissions filed since a 5-4 U.S. Supreme Court decision in the 2003 Grutter
v. Bollinger case, which upheld the use of race by the University of
Michigan law school to achieve a “critical mass” of under- represented
minority groups such as blacks, Hispanics and Native Americans.
University of Texas
The University of Texas automatically admits in-state applicants in the top
10 percent of their high school classes, who make up most of its students.
It then considers race in selecting the remainder of its freshman class.
The suit contends that the top 10 percent program is enough to ensure
campuswide diversity. The university responds that, without taking race into
account, many individual courses would have hardly any black or Hispanic
students.
After federal district and appeals courts upheld the university’s position,
the U.S. Supreme Court is considering whether to hear the Fisher case. The
Justice Department supports the university.
Discrimination
“Asian-American students suffer discrimination at the hands of the
University of Texas at Austin,” the Asian-American Legal Foundation said in
a friend-of-the-court brief for the plaintiff. While the university
justifies its preference for Hispanic applicants as an effort to diversify
classrooms, it has more Hispanic students than Asian-Americans, the San
Francisco- based foundation said.
With changes in the Supreme Court’s composition since Grutter, including
Samuel Alito Jr. replacing the retired Sandra Day O’Connor, who wrote the
majority ruling, the justices may take the opportunity to strike down race-
conscious admissions policies, said Woo, the head of the Newark, Delaware-
based 80-20 Educational Foundation.
The foundation plans to submit a brief supporting the plaintiff if the
Supreme Court takes the case.
Woo also co-founded a political action committee that endorses candidates
who promise to consider Asian-Americans for key positions such as judgeships
.
Hiding Racial Identity
“The prevailing college admission policy artificially places highly
qualified Asian-American applicants to compete against each other rather
than against the general pool of all applicants, instilling such a fear that
many Asian-Americans hide their own racial identity” on applications, the
committee stated in December.
Four Asian-American organizations backed the University of Texas in a brief
to the appeals court, arguing that Asian- Americans benefit from learning in
a racially diverse environment.
“It is simply a misstatement to argue that Asian-Americans are victims,”
the groups wrote.
There are 14.7 million Americans of Asian descent only, plus 2.6 million who
are multiracial including Asian, according to the 2010 U.S. census. The
combined 17.3 million comprises 5.6 percent of the population, up 46 percent
from 2000. Median household income for single-race Asian-Americans exceeds
$65,000, compared with a national average of $50,000. Half of those 25 and
older hold college degrees, almost double the national average.
Harvard Revisited
The Education Department’s Office for Civil Rights first examined Harvard’
s handling of Asian-American applicants more than 20 years ago. It turned up
stereotyping by Harvard evaluators, such as this comment about one Asian-
American candidate: “He’s quiet and, of course, wants to be a doctor.”
It also documented that Harvard admitted Asian-Americans at a lower rate
than white applicants even though the Asian- Americans had slightly stronger
SAT scores and grades. Nevertheless, the agency concluded in 1990 that
Harvard didn’t violate civil rights laws because preferences for alumni
children and recruited athletes, rather than racial discrimination,
accounted for the gap.
The issue remains unresolved, said Stephen Hsu, a physics professor at the
University of Oregon who blogs about the admissions process.
“The only way to answer these questions is to force these schools to open
their data sets,” he said. “College admissions should be transparent.”
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h*h
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【 以下文字转载自 Military 讨论区 】
发信人: hsh (三胡), 信区: Military
标 题: 为啥国人喜欢充大方,也喜欢别人对自己大方呢?
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sat Feb 2 11:55:35 2013, 美东)
礼尚往来。谁都不是无家可归需要救济,就那么问心无愧的多次接受别人的好处而不回
报,就那么振振有词地说不让自己占便宜的人小气。
还是有个正常合理的社交规矩比较好
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y*i
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好像有一种特别的面包。穿绿衣服应该是基本要求了吧。
问问主人有什么要求呗。
其实你要是不怎么感兴趣,完全可以不去。
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e*y
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关注。

University

【在 w*******r 的大作中提到】
: 【 以下文字转载自 Military 讨论区 】
: 发信人: RRI (投资怪物), 信区: Military
: 标 题: Harvard Targeted in Asian Discrimination Probe
: 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu Feb 2 09:42:54 2012, 美东)
: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-02-02/harvard-targeted-in-u-
: The U.S. Education Department is probing complaints that Harvard University
: and Princeton University discriminate against Asian-Americans in
: undergraduate admissions.
: The department’s Office for Civil Rights is investigating a complaint it
: received in August that Harvard rejected an Asian- American candidate for

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H*n
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Give and take.
对我大方的人,我从来不会让TA吃亏;
对我小气的人,我从来不会对TA大方。
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b*y
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记得带上配套同色的高筒礼帽

【在 S******6 的大作中提到】
: 被邀请参加爱尔兰家庭的 St. Patricts' Day 的 Fare , 带什么礼物最好 ?
: 另外,是不是要穿上绿色衣服 ?

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s*s
8
co-关注。

University

【在 w*******r 的大作中提到】
: 【 以下文字转载自 Military 讨论区 】
: 发信人: RRI (投资怪物), 信区: Military
: 标 题: Harvard Targeted in Asian Discrimination Probe
: 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu Feb 2 09:42:54 2012, 美东)
: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-02-02/harvard-targeted-in-u-
: The U.S. Education Department is probing complaints that Harvard University
: and Princeton University discriminate against Asian-Americans in
: undergraduate admissions.
: The department’s Office for Civil Rights is investigating a complaint it
: received in August that Harvard rejected an Asian- American candidate for

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x*3
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说人是非者,必是是非之人!
就你这样天天为了这点破事在这计较来计较去的,首先证明的是你自己就是个计较的人
, 其次才证明别的!

【在 h*h 的大作中提到】
: 【 以下文字转载自 Military 讨论区 】
: 发信人: hsh (三胡), 信区: Military
: 标 题: 为啥国人喜欢充大方,也喜欢别人对自己大方呢?
: 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sat Feb 2 11:55:35 2013, 美东)
: 礼尚往来。谁都不是无家可归需要救济,就那么问心无愧的多次接受别人的好处而不回
: 报,就那么振振有词地说不让自己占便宜的人小气。
: 还是有个正常合理的社交规矩比较好

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r*a
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绿色啤酒

【在 S******6 的大作中提到】
: 被邀请参加爱尔兰家庭的 St. Patricts' Day 的 Fare , 带什么礼物最好 ?
: 另外,是不是要穿上绿色衣服 ?

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w*k
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so 终于有人代表亚裔出头了, 而这个人是烙印
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h*h
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我说强奸是犯罪,那么我也是犯罪了?我是不是点到你的腰眼了?

【在 x***3 的大作中提到】
: 说人是非者,必是是非之人!
: 就你这样天天为了这点破事在这计较来计较去的,首先证明的是你自己就是个计较的人
: , 其次才证明别的!

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S*6
13
最后还是回绝了,很想去,但是时间排不开,加上还有这么多讲究。。。。看着盛大得
很,明年吧。

【在 y****i 的大作中提到】
: 好像有一种特别的面包。穿绿衣服应该是基本要求了吧。
: 问问主人有什么要求呗。
: 其实你要是不怎么感兴趣,完全可以不去。

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D*w
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敢出头的亚裔, 不错
这个亚裔是老印

University

【在 w*******r 的大作中提到】
: 【 以下文字转载自 Military 讨论区 】
: 发信人: RRI (投资怪物), 信区: Military
: 标 题: Harvard Targeted in Asian Discrimination Probe
: 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu Feb 2 09:42:54 2012, 美东)
: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-02-02/harvard-targeted-in-u-
: The U.S. Education Department is probing complaints that Harvard University
: and Princeton University discriminate against Asian-Americans in
: undergraduate admissions.
: The department’s Office for Civil Rights is investigating a complaint it
: received in August that Harvard rejected an Asian- American candidate for

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x*3
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你该吃药了!
不但计较, 还没有基本的逻辑!
包括你上面那个帖子, The future of US, 处处都弥漫着一股猥琐的气质!
其实,猥琐真不是说长相,说的就是你这号人的气质。
拜拜!!!

【在 h*h 的大作中提到】
: 我说强奸是犯罪,那么我也是犯罪了?我是不是点到你的腰眼了?
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m*s
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给男主人准备绿帽子

【在 S******6 的大作中提到】
: 被邀请参加爱尔兰家庭的 St. Patricts' Day 的 Fare , 带什么礼物最好 ?
: 另外,是不是要穿上绿色衣服 ?

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h*h
17
我转的。你是精神病人,以为正常人才是精神病人

【在 x***3 的大作中提到】
: 你该吃药了!
: 不但计较, 还没有基本的逻辑!
: 包括你上面那个帖子, The future of US, 处处都弥漫着一股猥琐的气质!
: 其实,猥琐真不是说长相,说的就是你这号人的气质。
: 拜拜!!!

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