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l*i2008-09-06 07:09

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康州南部小镇琴行试琴（本文在吉他中国ＢＡＳＳ版同步贴出．由于ＭＩＴ不支持ＩＭＧ代码，附件也太小我就不在这里贴图了．要看图文并茂的请到http://bbs.guitarchina.com/thread-634626-1-1.html 纯看图的请到：http://picasaweb.google.com/luo.qingyun/BassTestAtAlphaAudio）
今天下午我驱车50分钟去了一家坐落于康州南部MYSTIC小镇的一家乐器行试琴。这家乐
器行名叫ALPHA AUDIO WORKS，虽然店面不大，但是却代理很多知名品牌。与贝司相关
的就有G&L, MODULUS, SPECTOR，MUSIC MAN, EBS, ASHDOWN, EDEN 等。这家店同时也
代理很多非常昂贵的吉他品牌，包括 TOM ANDERSON， NASH GUITARS, 等等。最近由于
我对G&L的贝司非常好奇，所以就想亲自听听音色。于是在G&L的网站上查到了这家店，
结果它居然还代理其他那么牛的名牌，所以当天晚上就决定，第二天去一趟。虽然，好
牌子很多，但也不能盲目，所以今天我去这家店就带了以下几

A*r2008-09-06 07:09

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celin (坚强) 于 (Sun Feb 3 06:03:52 2008) 提到:
孩子一岁九个月了，比较调皮，我个人还算好静，年纪又不小了，精神体力都有限，所
以面对他的调皮胡闹，经常非常恼火。
我在理论上知道，作母亲应该多些爱与耐心，我也知道对待孩子的态度应该是温和而坚
定的，但是在他持续性的胡闹之后，我往往也会发脾气。
孩子也很倔，软硬不吃，经常是换个尿布也要半个小时，要满床追着抓他，抓到了，还
扭来扭去不让人碰，有时还伴随着大哭大闹，我曾经也试过跟他讲道理，或者不理他，
但是都不能彻底改掉他的这个毛病。
今天他有点着凉，流鼻涕，我想用手绢帮他擦，他也是又躲又叫。
我不知道有没有一些办法，可以让自己在即将发脾气的时候可以马上停下来。
我也想知道有什么办法可以在以后逐渐改善自己的脾气，对孩子对家人都多一些爱与耐
心。
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cher (曙光是你的双手) 于 (Sun Feb 3 14:45:09 2008)

t*a2008-09-06 07:09

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放出源代码里没有 rlz.dll 的，只有 rlz.dll loader 的代码.
rlz.dll loader 的头文件可以在这里查看，
http://src.chromium.org/svn/trunk/src/chrome/browser/rlz/rlz.h
// RLZ is a library which is used to measure partner distribution deals.
// Its job is to record certain lifetime events in the registry and to send
// them encoded as a compact string at most once per day. The sent data does
// not contain information that can be used to identify a user or to infer
// browsing habits. The API in this file is a wrapper to rlz.dll w

t*e2008-09-06 07:09

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so called open source

s*a2008-09-06 07:09

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这样的软件你们还用，真佩服妳们

send
does

【在 t******a 的大作中提到】

: 放出源代码里没有 rlz.dll 的，只有 rlz.dll loader 的代码.
: rlz.dll loader 的头文件可以在这里查看，
: http://src.chromium.org/svn/trunk/src/chrome/browser/rlz/rlz.h
: // RLZ is a library which is used to measure partner distribution deals.
: // Its job is to record certain lifetime events in the registry and to send
: // them encoded as a compact string at most once per day. The sent data does
: // not contain information that can be used to identify a user or to infer
: // browsing habits. The API in this file is a wrapper to rlz.dll w

m*t2008-09-06 07:09

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The sent data DOES NOT contain information that can be used to identify a
user
or to infer browsing habits.
This is just a way to track how you get Chrome, provide a statistics for
Google
to pay promotion money to distributor. Nothing related with Spyware or user
data leak.

send
does

【在 t******a 的大作中提到】

: 放出源代码里没有 rlz.dll 的，只有 rlz.dll loader 的代码.
: rlz.dll loader 的头文件可以在这里查看，
: http://src.chromium.org/svn/trunk/src/chrome/browser/rlz/rlz.h
: // RLZ is a library which is used to measure partner distribution deals.
: // Its job is to record certain lifetime events in the registry and to send
: // them encoded as a compact string at most once per day. The sent data does
: // not contain information that can be used to identify a user or to infer
: // browsing habits. The API in this file is a wrapper to rlz.dll w

t*a2008-09-06 07:09

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Sorry, your endorsement doesn't count.
Since google didn't open the source code of rlz.dll, it can do anything
in the function call to "RecordProductEvent", please refer to my
revelant post in the programming board. Google can update the rlz.dll
file at any time via a google udpate. Even at this time, rlz.dll
already sends your browser related registry changes, not limited to Chrome
to google everyday without asking you, without giving you an explicit
option to turn off that function in the conf

【在 m*********t 的大作中提到】

: The sent data DOES NOT contain information that can be used to identify a
: user
: or to infer browsing habits.
: This is just a way to track how you get Chrome, provide a statistics for
: Google
: to pay promotion money to distributor. Nothing related with Spyware or user
: data leak.
:
: send
: does

y*k2008-09-06 07:09

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嗯，而且google还恬不知耻的说我们就是收集你都看了什么，不算刺探隐私

send
does

【在 t******a 的大作中提到】

: 放出源代码里没有 rlz.dll 的，只有 rlz.dll loader 的代码.
: rlz.dll loader 的头文件可以在这里查看，
: http://src.chromium.org/svn/trunk/src/chrome/browser/rlz/rlz.h
: // RLZ is a library which is used to measure partner distribution deals.
: // Its job is to record certain lifetime events in the registry and to send
: // them encoded as a compact string at most once per day. The sent data does
: // not contain information that can be used to identify a user or to infer
: // browsing habits. The API in this file is a wrapper to rlz.dll w

s*a2008-09-06 07:09

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狗饭的逻辑真牛啊无语

user
infer
can

【在 m*********t 的大作中提到】

: The sent data DOES NOT contain information that can be used to identify a
: user
: or to infer browsing habits.
: This is just a way to track how you get Chrome, provide a statistics for
: Google
: to pay promotion money to distributor. Nothing related with Spyware or user
: data leak.
:
: send
: does

n*w2008-09-06 07:09

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希望firefox尽快实现chome里独有的功能。process per tab，drag tab to new
window、、、、

y*k2008-09-06 07:09

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process per tab真的更好么

【在 n*w 的大作中提到】

: 希望firefox尽快实现chome里独有的功能。process per tab，drag tab to new
: window、、、、

n*w2008-09-06 07:09

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就在刚在，我的firefox因一个tab导致整个browser变白三五秒。

【在 y*****k 的大作中提到】

: process per tab真的更好么

g*g2008-09-06 07:09

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Then you better not use IE or Windows, M$ doesn't open IE or Windows,
they can gather more of your private information.

【在 t******a 的大作中提到】

: Sorry, your endorsement doesn't count.
: Since google didn't open the source code of rlz.dll, it can do anything
: in the function call to "RecordProductEvent", please refer to my
: revelant post in the programming board. Google can update the rlz.dll
: file at any time via a google udpate. Even at this time, rlz.dll
: already sends your browser related registry changes, not limited to Chrome
: to google everyday without asking you, without giving you an explicit
: option to turn off that function in the conf

t*a2008-09-06 07:09

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But M$ won't send my personal activites to their server without showing
me a big dialog box and let me confirm it. Even if I confirmed, I can
always change my mind and choose to opt-out in the future.
This is why I argue google's behavior on this dll IS evil.

【在 g*****g 的大作中提到】

: Then you better not use IE or Windows, M$ doesn't open IE or Windows,
: they can gather more of your private information.

g*g2008-09-06 07:09

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I believe if you check Google's EULA, you'll see similar terms too.

【在 t******a 的大作中提到】

: But M$ won't send my personal activites to their server without showing
: me a big dialog box and let me confirm it. Even if I confirmed, I can
: always change my mind and choose to opt-out in the future.
: This is why I argue google's behavior on this dll IS evil.

t*a2008-09-06 07:09

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No one will read EULA, but when M$ wants to collect such as info,
they will provide a *dialog box* and a *switch* for you to opt-out.
Where is google's "opt-out" switch? Not so many people will have
the chance to read the source code.

【在 g*****g 的大作中提到】

: I believe if you check Google's EULA, you'll see similar terms too.

g*g2008-09-06 07:09

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You make it too big a deal, what sensitive data you have in
your PC? Google is not gonna send your credit card information
or anything like that, or it'll get caught by other users in
no time. Google is not gonna collect your contacts and send
spam either. Maybe Google will collect the urls you access,
big deal.
If you are really into protecting your privacy, let me ask
you, how often do you encrypt your emails, how about your friends
sending you email, do they use encrypted email?

【在 t******a 的大作中提到】

: No one will read EULA, but when M$ wants to collect such as info,
: they will provide a *dialog box* and a *switch* for you to opt-out.
: Where is google's "opt-out" switch? Not so many people will have
: the chance to read the source code.

N*n2008-09-06 07:09

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They should rename Chrome to Crime.

【在 t******a 的大作中提到】

: 放出源代码里没有 rlz.dll 的，只有 rlz.dll loader 的代码.
: rlz.dll loader 的头文件可以在这里查看，
: http://src.chromium.org/svn/trunk/src/chrome/browser/rlz/rlz.h
: // RLZ is a library which is used to measure partner distribution deals.
: // Its job is to record certain lifetime events in the registry and to send
: // them encoded as a compact string at most once per day. The sent data does
: // not contain information that can be used to identify a user or to infer
: // browsing habits. The API in this file is a wrapper to rlz.dll w

C*n2008-09-06 07:09

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dont be so fucking stupid
M$ did it before and will continue to do it
u should have read more news

【在 t******a 的大作中提到】

: No one will read EULA, but when M$ wants to collect such as info,
: they will provide a *dialog box* and a *switch* for you to opt-out.
: Where is google's "opt-out" switch? Not so many people will have
: the chance to read the source code.

a*r2008-09-06 07:09

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Opera!

N*P2008-09-06 07:09

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你是不是曾经被google据过？有点小题大作了。如果你每天就是看看mitbbs或者是找找
deal，有啥怕人知道的东西？不就是个免费的的浏览器吗，google也没逼你用，没必要
把google骂个狗血喷头。再说你咋知道MS不偷偷传送你的信息？windows代码你都读过？
公司里如果提供一顿免费午餐，你还非得要求人家把原材料的详细信息，加工的过程写
个报告给你？既然是用免费的东西，就别太仗义了。要不你就自己写个浏览器，世界就
安静了。

【在 t******a 的大作中提到】

: But M$ won't send my personal activites to their server without showing
: me a big dialog box and let me confirm it. Even if I confirmed, I can
: always change my mind and choose to opt-out in the future.
: This is why I argue google's behavior on this dll IS evil.

v*a2008-09-06 07:09

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主要是 google 说了自己不做恶的。
而大家都不当 MS 是好人。

过？

【在 N*P 的大作中提到】

: 你是不是曾经被google据过？有点小题大作了。如果你每天就是看看mitbbs或者是找找
: deal，有啥怕人知道的东西？不就是个免费的的浏览器吗，google也没逼你用，没必要
: 把google骂个狗血喷头。再说你咋知道MS不偷偷传送你的信息？windows代码你都读过？
: 公司里如果提供一顿免费午餐，你还非得要求人家把原材料的详细信息，加工的过程写
: 个报告给你？既然是用免费的东西，就别太仗义了。要不你就自己写个浏览器，世界就
: 安静了。

S*I2008-09-06 07:09

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要牢记大公司都是邪恶的 :)

【在 v***a 的大作中提到】

: 主要是 google 说了自己不做恶的。
: 而大家都不当 MS 是好人。
:
: 过？

s*e2008-09-06 07:09

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安装的时候不选让google统计数据不就完了，我的电脑里就找不到这个dll

t*a2008-09-06 07:09

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小人之心，你这么护着 google 难道是因为在 google 工作? 我除了用 google
search 和 gmail 外生活中和 google 扯不上关系 (同样除了用 windows, office,
msn messenger 外和 M$ 也扯不上关系，对我进行无端猜测的请闭嘴)。
质疑几句 google 竟然招惹来一堆狗粉和 google 亲友团，呵呵，究竟谁是枪手
旁观者自有公论

过？

【在 N*P 的大作中提到】

: 你是不是曾经被google据过？有点小题大作了。如果你每天就是看看mitbbs或者是找找
: deal，有啥怕人知道的东西？不就是个免费的的浏览器吗，google也没逼你用，没必要
: 把google骂个狗血喷头。再说你咋知道MS不偷偷传送你的信息？windows代码你都读过？
: 公司里如果提供一顿免费午餐，你还非得要求人家把原材料的详细信息，加工的过程写
: 个报告给你？既然是用免费的东西，就别太仗义了。要不你就自己写个浏览器，世界就
: 安静了。

N*n2008-09-06 07:09

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不是自吹OPEN SOURCE吗，怎么Firefox能做到的到GOOGLE这儿就变形了。

【在 N*P 的大作中提到】

: 你是不是曾经被google据过？有点小题大作了。如果你每天就是看看mitbbs或者是找找
: deal，有啥怕人知道的东西？不就是个免费的的浏览器吗，google也没逼你用，没必要
: 把google骂个狗血喷头。再说你咋知道MS不偷偷传送你的信息？windows代码你都读过？
: 公司里如果提供一顿免费午餐，你还非得要求人家把原材料的详细信息，加工的过程写
: 个报告给你？既然是用免费的东西，就别太仗义了。要不你就自己写个浏览器，世界就
: 安静了。

s*n2008-09-06 07:09

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en,
google还是别改行做IT了，继续做广告公司比较有前途。

【在 N********n 的大作中提到】

:
: 不是自吹OPEN SOURCE吗，怎么Firefox能做到的到GOOGLE这儿就变形了。

g*t2008-09-06 07:09

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逻辑!长了20%还是没逻辑?
M$就是垃圾,也保证不了GOOGLE不是驮屎.
当然,你要是好这口儿就另说了.

【在 g*****g 的大作中提到】

: Then you better not use IE or Windows, M$ doesn't open IE or Windows,
: they can gather more of your private information.

g*t2008-09-06 07:09

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这个"不做恶"最搞笑.就好像一人跑大街上大喊"我不是SB"一样.你是不是立刻觉得丫就
是一SB?

【在 v***a 的大作中提到】

: 主要是 google 说了自己不做恶的。
: 而大家都不当 MS 是好人。
:
: 过？

j*f2008-09-06 07:09

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MS is evil.
Google is going to be more evil.

s*a2008-09-06 07:09

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当然不一定了，也可能是打牌输了被逼的没办法

【在 g**********t 的大作中提到】

: 这个"不做恶"最搞笑.就好像一人跑大街上大喊"我不是SB"一样.你是不是立刻觉得丫就
: 是一SB?

g*g2008-09-06 07:09

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除非你不用windows，抓着chrome不放很搞笑。
chrome明明安装的时候问是不是发送统计信息，
自己不回答no还振振有词才是坨屎。

【在 g**********t 的大作中提到】

: 逻辑!长了20%还是没逻辑?
: M$就是垃圾,也保证不了GOOGLE不是驮屎.
: 当然,你要是好这口儿就另说了.

l*d2008-09-06 07:09

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还确实是问来着，我这也没找到这个dll

【在 g*****g 的大作中提到】

: 除非你不用windows，抓着chrome不放很搞笑。
: chrome明明安装的时候问是不是发送统计信息，
: 自己不回答no还振振有词才是坨屎。

s*m2008-09-06 07:09

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这才是王道，楼主NC

【在 s*******e 的大作中提到】

: 安装的时候不选让google统计数据不就完了，我的电脑里就找不到这个dll

t*a2008-09-06 07:09

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如果你是用 ChromeSetup.exe 安装的话，那 google 根本不问任何问题，
直接就把 rlz.dll 装到你的机器里了。更糟糕的是，装过一次
之后，以后通过Chrom 网页安装，即使不选择发送信息，google
一样会把 rlz.dll 装到你的机器里。
前面说找不到的看看是不是找错了目录，路径里的 “username”，
要用当前自己的 login name 替换. 因为 "Local Settings" 目录
默认是系统隐藏目录，应该先在 windows exploerer 里打开
"Shown hidden files and systems files" 开关才可以看到.
还不相信的话去
C:\Documents and Settings\[username]\Local Settings\Application Data\
Google\Chrome\Application\0.2.????\Installer 里找安装文件包，
用 7zip 或 winrar 解开 chrome.7z自己看
PS. 前面说找不到 rlz.dll 的请告诉我你的 ....\C

【在 s*****m 的大作中提到】

: 这才是王道，楼主NC

l*d2008-09-06 07:09

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ft, 我又能找到rlz.dll了

【在 t******a 的大作中提到】

: 如果你是用 ChromeSetup.exe 安装的话，那 google 根本不问任何问题，
: 直接就把 rlz.dll 装到你的机器里了。更糟糕的是，装过一次
: 之后，以后通过Chrom 网页安装，即使不选择发送信息，google
: 一样会把 rlz.dll 装到你的机器里。
: 前面说找不到的看看是不是找错了目录，路径里的 “username”，
: 要用当前自己的 login name 替换. 因为 "Local Settings" 目录
: 默认是系统隐藏目录，应该先在 windows exploerer 里打开
: "Shown hidden files and systems files" 开关才可以看到.
: 还不相信的话去
: C:\Documents and Settings\[username]\Local Settings\Application Data\

m*c2008-09-06 07:09

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Google is the biggest evil in the IT world.

N*n2008-09-06 07:09

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Even when you uninstall Chrome, it still leaves that updater and
other component in that app data folder. I have to go in there
cleaning it up and the registry myself.

【在 t******a 的大作中提到】

: 如果你是用 ChromeSetup.exe 安装的话，那 google 根本不问任何问题，
: 直接就把 rlz.dll 装到你的机器里了。更糟糕的是，装过一次
: 之后，以后通过Chrom 网页安装，即使不选择发送信息，google
: 一样会把 rlz.dll 装到你的机器里。
: 前面说找不到的看看是不是找错了目录，路径里的 “username”，
: 要用当前自己的 login name 替换. 因为 "Local Settings" 目录
: 默认是系统隐藏目录，应该先在 windows exploerer 里打开
: "Shown hidden files and systems files" 开关才可以看到.
: 还不相信的话去
: C:\Documents and Settings\[username]\Local Settings\Application Data\

g*g2008-09-06 07:09

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Blame this on windows, most of your applications can't be cleanly
uninstalled.

【在 N********n 的大作中提到】

: Even when you uninstall Chrome, it still leaves that updater and
: other component in that app data folder. I have to go in there
: cleaning it up and the registry myself.

N*n2008-09-06 07:09

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How is it someone else' fault if their own uninstaller don't behave?

【在 g*****g 的大作中提到】

: Blame this on windows, most of your applications can't be cleanly
: uninstalled.

g*g2008-09-06 07:09

41 楼

Coz M$ created these dll, registry crap, and windows don't allow
you to delete them in many cases, and will corrupt in other cases.
Never heard Linux users have similar complaints.

【在 N********n 的大作中提到】

:
: How is it someone else' fault if their own uninstaller don't behave?

N*n2008-09-06 07:09

42 楼

Then why does Firefox behave?
And when was the last time you coded an installer under Windows?
You don't seem to know much about it.

【在 g*****g 的大作中提到】

: Coz M$ created these dll, registry crap, and windows don't allow
: you to delete them in many cases, and will corrupt in other cases.
: Never heard Linux users have similar complaints.

s*e2008-09-06 07:09

43 楼

我用ChromeSetup.exe来装的Chrome的，它确实提供了一些选择，我用全硬盘搜索功能
扫了两次硬盘，还是没有发现rlz.dll。该文件是不是隐形文件？而不能被搜索功能扫
出来？

t*a2008-09-06 07:09

44 楼

rlz.dll 不是隐形文件，但 google 把它装到了一个默认是隐藏的系统目录里了，
用全硬盘搜索是显然找不到的。把 windows explorer 的显示隐藏文件和系统文件
功能打开，然后自己在我前面提到的目录找吧 (用 Vista 的话目录会不同)
看来 google 选择安装目录还是花了一番心思的，不少用户即使告知了 rlz.dll
文件的位置都找不到。果然是不作恶啊.

【在 s*******e 的大作中提到】

: 我用ChromeSetup.exe来装的Chrome的，它确实提供了一些选择，我用全硬盘搜索功能
: 扫了两次硬盘，还是没有发现rlz.dll。该文件是不是隐形文件？而不能被搜索功能扫
: 出来？

s*e2008-09-06 07:09

45 楼

哦，找到rlz.dll了，因为是隐形文件，一开始没找到

【在 s*******e 的大作中提到】

: 我用ChromeSetup.exe来装的Chrome的，它确实提供了一些选择，我用全硬盘搜索功能
: 扫了两次硬盘，还是没有发现rlz.dll。该文件是不是隐形文件？而不能被搜索功能扫
: 出来？

t*a2008-09-06 07:09

46 楼

安装时你同意向 google 发送隐私了么? 显然 google 根本就没有问这个
问题，直接就给你装上了。

【在 s*******e 的大作中提到】

: 哦，找到rlz.dll了，因为是隐形文件，一开始没找到

s*e2008-09-06 07:09

47 楼

记得好像有一个选项问参加什么统计还是什么帮助提高chrome的东西，我没选。

【在 t******a 的大作中提到】

: 安装时你同意向 google 发送隐私了么? 显然 google 根本就没有问这个
: 问题，直接就给你装上了。

C*n2008-09-06 07:09

48 楼

r u nuts or just cant read ?
google chrome did ask u that question during installation

【在 t******a 的大作中提到】

: 安装时你同意向 google 发送隐私了么? 显然 google 根本就没有问这个
: 问题，直接就给你装上了。

s*e2008-09-06 07:09

49 楼

google确实有点可恶了，把整个chrome包括chrome.exe也放在这隐形folder里，而不
是如其他软件一样放在Program Files，不知道是他们不专业还是故意隐藏什么，哪有
人这样做的？软件不放在Program Files里放到大家都不放的地方，不地道。

g*g2008-09-06 07:09

50 楼

I don't, I am a java developer, and my executable is always
a bat or cmd (if on windows). Everything is under one folder,
and it's really easy to uninstall. No registry, no dll under
system32 directory.

【在 N********n 的大作中提到】

:
: Then why does Firefox behave?
: And when was the last time you coded an installer under Windows?
: You don't seem to know much about it.

S*I2008-09-06 07:09

51 楼

赞

【在 g*****g 的大作中提到】

: I don't, I am a java developer, and my executable is always
: a bat or cmd (if on windows). Everything is under one folder,
: and it's really easy to uninstall. No registry, no dll under
: system32 directory.

N*n2008-09-06 07:09

52 楼

Then you can drop the FUD that Windows is to blame for Chrome's
problem now that you don't what you were talking about.

【在 g*****g 的大作中提到】

: I don't, I am a java developer, and my executable is always
: a bat or cmd (if on windows). Everything is under one folder,
: and it's really easy to uninstall. No registry, no dll under
: system32 directory.

g*g2008-09-06 07:09

53 楼

I've uninstalled tons of windows applications, few
of them left nothing behind. Should I blame all these
software vendor or blame windows? Of coz I know what
I am talking about. I haven't reinstalled windows for
3 years and my registry is full of crap entries, who
should I blame really?

【在 N********n 的大作中提到】

: Then you can drop the FUD that Windows is to blame for Chrome's
: problem now that you don't what you were talking about.

t*a2008-09-06 07:09

54 楼

It seems that it is you that coulnd't read. Are you a google fanboy
or something?
If you run ChromeSetup.exe to install, it won't ask you any question,
it will just install the damn rlz.dll to a hidden directory.
I just tried on a clean machine, even if you install via web and
deselect that so called crash report option on google's web page,
it will still install rlz.dll. Correct me if I'm wrong.

【在 C********n 的大作中提到】

: r u nuts or just cant read ?
: google chrome did ask u that question during installation

N*n2008-09-06 07:09

55 楼

You clearly don't know how easy it is to follow the Windows
development routine to setup a clean uninstallation procedure.
If vendors choose not to, then of coz it's themselves to blame.

【在 g*****g 的大作中提到】

: I've uninstalled tons of windows applications, few
: of them left nothing behind. Should I blame all these
: software vendor or blame windows? Of coz I know what
: I am talking about. I haven't reinstalled windows for
: 3 years and my registry is full of crap entries, who
: should I blame really?

g*g2008-09-06 07:09

56 楼

Of course I know it's easy to do. The problem is that
many of entries won't be removed because Windows disallow
you to do so in runtime.

【在 N********n 的大作中提到】

: You clearly don't know how easy it is to follow the Windows
: development routine to setup a clean uninstallation procedure.
: If vendors choose not to, then of coz it's themselves to blame.

N*n2008-09-06 07:09

57 楼

Running programs could be shut down and them removed unless
their components are a part of integrated package used by
other software, which is not the case for Chrome. There are not
any difficulties for Chrome uninstaller to clean it up.

【在 g*****g 的大作中提到】

: Of course I know it's easy to do. The problem is that
: many of entries won't be removed because Windows disallow
: you to do so in runtime.

c*j2008-09-06 07:09

58 楼

laugh, borrow my "bro"'s word: you don't know nothing about this world!
I hate MS registry table too, but if you do not follow their rules in their
room, you yourself should be blamed, not MS.
I favor google, but this damn chrome thing will not pass auditing for any
serious company, and I personally, doesn't mean anybody else, feel bad
signal from google.

【在 g*****g 的大作中提到】

: Of course I know it's easy to do. The problem is that
: many of entries won't be removed because Windows disallow
: you to do so in runtime.

g*g2008-09-06 07:09

59 楼

I don't care the shit of rules. I am not a windows application
developer. But as an end user, very few application can be uninstalled
clean. I come to the conclusion either most windows developers are
incapable, or M$ have some stupid rules and it's pretty hard to follow.

their

【在 c****j 的大作中提到】

: laugh, borrow my "bro"'s word: you don't know nothing about this world!
: I hate MS registry table too, but if you do not follow their rules in their
: room, you yourself should be blamed, not MS.
: I favor google, but this damn chrome thing will not pass auditing for any
: serious company, and I personally, doesn't mean anybody else, feel bad
: signal from google.

x*u2008-09-06 07:09

60 楼

只是牺牲了一点点效率，换来了稳定和安全，完全值得。
在Windows下面rebase后的多个process是不占用额外的物理内存的，当然虚拟内存显示
的会多一点。

【在 y*****k 的大作中提到】

: process per tab真的更好么

x*u2008-09-06 07:09

61 楼

虽然世界上妓女很多，但是当阿娇照片曝光后，我们还是要谴责她没有给小朋友做个好
榜样。

过？

【在 N*P 的大作中提到】

: 你是不是曾经被google据过？有点小题大作了。如果你每天就是看看mitbbs或者是找找
: deal，有啥怕人知道的东西？不就是个免费的的浏览器吗，google也没逼你用，没必要
: 把google骂个狗血喷头。再说你咋知道MS不偷偷传送你的信息？windows代码你都读过？
: 公司里如果提供一顿免费午餐，你还非得要求人家把原材料的详细信息，加工的过程写
: 个报告给你？既然是用免费的东西，就别太仗义了。要不你就自己写个浏览器，世界就
: 安静了。

w*l2008-09-06 07:09

62 楼

我觉得这个帖子没逻辑。ms不开源，你怎么知道没有暗送内容？google是不怎么样，ms
也不是好鸟。反正大
伙都是出来混的，就这么俩软件，只能凑合着用。有隐私洁癖的还是不要用电脑的好。

【在 t******a 的大作中提到】

: But M$ won't send my personal activites to their server without showing
: me a big dialog box and let me confirm it. Even if I confirmed, I can
: always change my mind and choose to opt-out in the future.
: This is why I argue google's behavior on this dll IS evil.

g*g2008-09-06 07:09

63 楼

送啥东西，起个防火墙看一眼就知道了。又不是送你信用卡或者账户密码，
统计一下你上了哪些网站屁大的隐私。随便一个木马泄露的隐私都比这个
严重，在座的那个没中过木马的？

ms

【在 w*********l 的大作中提到】

: 我觉得这个帖子没逻辑。ms不开源，你怎么知道没有暗送内容？google是不怎么样，ms
: 也不是好鸟。反正大
: 伙都是出来混的，就这么俩软件，只能凑合着用。有隐私洁癖的还是不要用电脑的好。

t*a2008-09-06 07:09

64 楼

你这个帖子已经彻底逻辑混乱了，我不知道是狗粉的身份还是google 亲友团的
身份干扰了你的正常思维。
1. 世界上并不是只有 IE 和 Chrome 两个浏览器。即使有洁癖，还可以用 Firefox,
并不是向你说的那样没得选择。Firefox 起码到目前为止是 100% 开源，而且没有
像 Google 那样一边号称开源，一边不询问用户偷偷夹带不开源的行为跟踪私货。
2. 请举出一个 M$ 未经许可发送用户隐私，行为习惯到自己服务器，而且没法
通过正常设置界面关掉的例子。即使不开源，也有很多方法可以跟踪操作系统
和程序的行为。而且 Windows/IE 的源代码都曾经被泄露过，政府，学校也是可以
拿到的，目前还没有公司和个人报告 windows/ie/office 有这方面的劣迹。 Google
这次的行为已经越界了，不论它开源还是不开源。开源的话性质更糟糕，因为这就是
所谓的一边当婊子一边立牌坊。
3. 只要用户愿意，chrome 不管收集发送什么信息都没有问题，但像现在这样，没有
警告用户就偷着装 tracking dll, 而且不能在设置界面里禁止的方式是邪恶的。

ms

【在 w*********l 的大作中提到】

: 我觉得这个帖子没逻辑。ms不开源，你怎么知道没有暗送内容？google是不怎么样，ms
: 也不是好鸟。反正大
: 伙都是出来混的，就这么俩软件，只能凑合着用。有隐私洁癖的还是不要用电脑的好。

t*a2008-09-06 07:09

65 楼

前面好像有人回答过类似的问题。世界上有别人杀人防火不能作为自己可以
偷盗的理由，尤其是在被偷盗的人不知道你在偷盗的时候。
你竟然拿这么多狗粉和google 亲友团的精神偶像, don't be evil 的google
和安装木马的下三滥公司相比较，小心狗粉和你急:)

【在 g*****g 的大作中提到】

: 送啥东西，起个防火墙看一眼就知道了。又不是送你信用卡或者账户密码，
: 统计一下你上了哪些网站屁大的隐私。随便一个木马泄露的隐私都比这个
: 严重，在座的那个没中过木马的？
:
: ms

g*g2008-09-06 07:09

66 楼

你不是掌自己嘴巴吗，要举微软的例子遍地都是，比如这里
http://www.njpf.gov.cn/Web/Info/2007-12/040953072611.html
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9904E0DC133BF93BA15756C0A9649C8B63
google说不做恶，在大公司里已经算是很好了，你要以圣人标准，那没有
不做恶的公司。

【在 t******a 的大作中提到】

: 你这个帖子已经彻底逻辑混乱了，我不知道是狗粉的身份还是google 亲友团的
: 身份干扰了你的正常思维。
: 1. 世界上并不是只有 IE 和 Chrome 两个浏览器。即使有洁癖，还可以用 Firefox,
: 并不是向你说的那样没得选择。Firefox 起码到目前为止是 100% 开源，而且没有
: 像 Google 那样一边号称开源，一边不询问用户偷偷夹带不开源的行为跟踪私货。
: 2. 请举出一个 M$ 未经许可发送用户隐私，行为习惯到自己服务器，而且没法
: 通过正常设置界面关掉的例子。即使不开源，也有很多方法可以跟踪操作系统
: 和程序的行为。而且 Windows/IE 的源代码都曾经被泄露过，政府，学校也是可以
: 拿到的，目前还没有公司和个人报告 windows/ie/office 有这方面的劣迹。 Google
: 这次的行为已经越界了，不论它开源还是不开源。开源的话性质更糟糕，因为这就是

M*42008-09-06 07:09

67 楼

Google's track record on privacy is not good actually.
GMail scans your email, while yahoo and live don't.
Google keeps your search history for more than 2 years, while yahoo and live
keep for 13 months.
Google Toolbar feeds your activity back to google.
Google Ads Planner takes data from Google Toolbar and other sources where
you can be tracked by Google.
Google Street View take pictures of your home if it clearly says private
road, no photograph allowed.
Google helped India and Isreal governme

【在 g*****g 的大作中提到】

: 你不是掌自己嘴巴吗，要举微软的例子遍地都是，比如这里
: http://www.njpf.gov.cn/Web/Info/2007-12/040953072611.html
: http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9904E0DC133BF93BA15756C0A9649C8B63
: google说不做恶，在大公司里已经算是很好了，你要以圣人标准，那没有
: 不做恶的公司。

t*a2008-09-06 07:09

68 楼

我发现你根本不会阅读，请你说说 M$ 在你给的链接里有没有不经过
用户许可就偷传用户信息? WGA 你可以不装，unified passport login
可能泄露用户登陆习惯，但这是任何sigle sign-on 系统都会有的问题，
包括 OpenID, google login, yahoo passport。没错， M$ is evil, 但
google 在这件事上更过分，尤其过分的是 Google 一贯标榜的就是
don't be evil.

【在 g*****g 的大作中提到】

: 你不是掌自己嘴巴吗，要举微软的例子遍地都是，比如这里
: http://www.njpf.gov.cn/Web/Info/2007-12/040953072611.html
: http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9904E0DC133BF93BA15756C0A9649C8B63
: google说不做恶，在大公司里已经算是很好了，你要以圣人标准，那没有
: 不做恶的公司。

g*g2008-09-06 07:09

69 楼

废话，如果微软没有欺诈性行为，哪来的官司可打。
如果google eula里没有提这个收集，现在一堆人
告它了。

【在 t******a 的大作中提到】

: 我发现你根本不会阅读，请你说说 M$ 在你给的链接里有没有不经过
: 用户许可就偷传用户信息? WGA 你可以不装，unified passport login
: 可能泄露用户登陆习惯，但这是任何sigle sign-on 系统都会有的问题，
: 包括 OpenID, google login, yahoo passport。没错， M$ is evil, 但
: google 在这件事上更过分，尤其过分的是 Google 一贯标榜的就是
: don't be evil.

r*e2008-09-06 07:09

70 楼

yahoo和live不scan email怎么防spam?

live

【在 M**4 的大作中提到】

: Google's track record on privacy is not good actually.
: GMail scans your email, while yahoo and live don't.
: Google keeps your search history for more than 2 years, while yahoo and live
: keep for 13 months.
: Google Toolbar feeds your activity back to google.
: Google Ads Planner takes data from Google Toolbar and other sources where
: you can be tracked by Google.
: Google Street View take pictures of your home if it clearly says private
: road, no photograph allowed.
: Google helped India and Isreal governme

g*g2008-09-06 07:09

71 楼

Some people are really naive, your email is scanned by virtually every hop
of relay chain. Either for anti-virus, archiving, corporate policy, or
advertising. If you don't like that, then you should only use encrypt email.
Google may be the one using the keywords to show some ads, but it
doesn't make your email more or less secure.

【在 r******e 的大作中提到】

: yahoo和live不scan email怎么防spam?
:
: live

H*32008-09-06 07:09

72 楼

I think trandora has his point here: google is no better than M$ nowdays.
The google five years ago has long gone, now what we have is an ambitious
google trying to build its own empire by loosing its firm stands which made
its fame several years ago.
Don't tell me that the info collected by google is trivial or unimportant (
yes most of us don't really care). If google collects my any info without
letting me know, it's like I swallowed a bug, no matter it's a goodbug or
not.

email.

【在 g*****g 的大作中提到】

: Some people are really naive, your email is scanned by virtually every hop
: of relay chain. Either for anti-virus, archiving, corporate policy, or
: advertising. If you don't like that, then you should only use encrypt email.
: Google may be the one using the keywords to show some ads, but it
: doesn't make your email more or less secure.

H*32008-09-06 07:09

73 楼

All big companies are evil -- google is no exception.

【在 r******e 的大作中提到】

: yahoo和live不scan email怎么防spam?
:
: live

g*g2008-09-06 07:09

74 楼

Evil is a subjective term, all companies work for their own profits.
M$, IMHO, is evil because they surpress innovation and competition by
monoply, and we endusers end up paying more for less features
due to lack of competition. Most of M$'s products are not free or
cheap, and for the few that are free, they have those annoying flashy
ads (hotmail/messenger etc.), these are totally against my taste.
Google, for now, provides most important daily tool for free. I can't
call that evil.

made

【在 H***3 的大作中提到】

: I think trandora has his point here: google is no better than M$ nowdays.
: The google five years ago has long gone, now what we have is an ambitious
: google trying to build its own empire by loosing its firm stands which made
: its fame several years ago.
: Don't tell me that the info collected by google is trivial or unimportant (
: yes most of us don't really care). If google collects my any info without
: letting me know, it's like I swallowed a bug, no matter it's a goodbug or
: not.
:
: email.

c*e2008-09-06 07:09

75 楼

这个软件老偷偷运行google update,怎么处理?
我用优化大师搞不定它.

send
does

【在 t******a 的大作中提到】

: 放出源代码里没有 rlz.dll 的，只有 rlz.dll loader 的代码.
: rlz.dll loader 的头文件可以在这里查看，
: http://src.chromium.org/svn/trunk/src/chrome/browser/rlz/rlz.h
: // RLZ is a library which is used to measure partner distribution deals.
: // Its job is to record certain lifetime events in the registry and to send
: // them encoded as a compact string at most once per day. The sent data does
: // not contain information that can be used to identify a user or to infer
: // browsing habits. The API in this file is a wrapper to rlz.dll w

H*32008-09-06 07:09

76 楼

I would rather to use paid but safe softwares than free but malicious ones.
btw, google's ads are not flashy, but still annoying.

【在 g*****g 的大作中提到】

: Evil is a subjective term, all companies work for their own profits.
: M$, IMHO, is evil because they surpress innovation and competition by
: monoply, and we endusers end up paying more for less features
: due to lack of competition. Most of M$'s products are not free or
: cheap, and for the few that are free, they have those annoying flashy
: ads (hotmail/messenger etc.), these are totally against my taste.
: Google, for now, provides most important daily tool for free. I can't
: call that evil.
:
: made

p*82008-09-06 07:09

77 楼

问题本质在于M$是邪恶的,谁都可以骂.GOOGLE自称是正义的,现在做了婊子怎么有这么多
人还来给他立牌枋.
就象阿娇的例子,婊子就是婊子.

M*42008-09-06 07:09

78 楼

you know what I am talking about, by "scan", i mean google read your email
contents to match ads, in other words, using its consumer's privacy for
google's own benefits.

email.

【在 g*****g 的大作中提到】

: Some people are really naive, your email is scanned by virtually every hop
: of relay chain. Either for anti-virus, archiving, corporate policy, or
: advertising. If you don't like that, then you should only use encrypt email.
: Google may be the one using the keywords to show some ads, but it
: doesn't make your email more or less secure.

r*e2008-09-06 07:09

79 楼

如果你不用google的产品那你有啥好抱怨的

【在 H***3 的大作中提到】

: I would rather to use paid but safe softwares than free but malicious ones.
: btw, google's ads are not flashy, but still annoying.

x*c2008-09-06 07:09

80 楼

Your email is read by computer programs, not human beings. the ads are shown
to
you, not anyone else. Why does that hurt your privacy?

【在 M**4 的大作中提到】

: you know what I am talking about, by "scan", i mean google read your email
: contents to match ads, in other words, using its consumer's privacy for
: google's own benefits.
:
: email.

s*a2008-09-06 07:09

81 楼

en, that computer program is made by god? i once read an article where a
google employee admitted that they (a department in google) can read emails
of any google user.

shown
email

【在 x******c 的大作中提到】

: Your email is read by computer programs, not human beings. the ads are shown
: to
: you, not anyone else. Why does that hurt your privacy?

g*g2008-09-06 07:09

82 楼

You know what, if I am DBA of hotmail, I probably can read email
of any users too. Computer program is developed by using test
samples, I bet they send themselves some emails, then logon their
account to check if the result is what they want. All of these
are done offline, using a development/test system you can't even access.
They don't develop gmail by using your emails, why do they need
them to develop advertisement?

emails

【在 s***a 的大作中提到】

: en, that computer program is made by god? i once read an article where a
: google employee admitted that they (a department in google) can read emails
: of any google user.
:
: shown
: email

e*e2008-09-06 07:09

83 楼

除了删除这个dll外，还需要在注册表里做什么修改？

N*P2008-09-06 07:09

84 楼

一边用google的产品和服务，一边骂google是婊子，我看你连婊子都不如

么多

【在 p******8 的大作中提到】

: 问题本质在于M$是邪恶的,谁都可以骂.GOOGLE自称是正义的,现在做了婊子怎么有这么多
: 人还来给他立牌枋.
: 就象阿娇的例子,婊子就是婊子.

N*n2008-09-06 07:09

85 楼

Google doesn't delete your email EVEN WHEN YOU ORDER GMAIL TO DO
SO. They wanna spy on your online behavior no matter what.

【在 s***a 的大作中提到】

: en, that computer program is made by god? i once read an article where a
: google employee admitted that they (a department in google) can read emails
: of any google user.
:
: shown
: email

k*02008-09-06 07:09

86 楼

enough said:
MS: always try to sell their unwanted product. Example: IE comes with OS,
stop Win XP and push Windows Vista. EVIL!
Google: provide so called no-spam tools to gather data without telling the
user. There is no excuse for this kind of action. EVIL!

g*g2008-09-06 07:09

87 楼

Common practice is that DB server would be archived daily and keep
from months to years. I bet all your deleted hotmail emails of
this year have a ton of backup copies somewhere. FBI can easily get
it when needed. Daily backup is to save disaster (This bbs had one
before) and surveillance. Don't be naive.
Email is not secure in any sense when sending in clear text.
Hotmail doesn't protect your privacy better than gmail, they are simply
equally bad.

【在 N********n 的大作中提到】

:
: Google doesn't delete your email EVEN WHEN YOU ORDER GMAIL TO DO
: SO. They wanna spy on your online behavior no matter what.

H*32008-09-06 07:09

88 楼

Did you ever use M$'s softwares? Did you ever say bad words about M$?
I did.
The list also extends to ATT/Verizon/TMobile, Time Warner/comcast, etc. etc.

【在 N*P 的大作中提到】

: 一边用google的产品和服务，一边骂google是婊子，我看你连婊子都不如
:
: 么多

H*32008-09-06 07:09

89 楼

That sounds like a lamb excuse to me.
It's like your parents blame you for doing bad things, and you whine like "
It's not only me! xxx did that too!!!"

【在 g*****g 的大作中提到】

: Common practice is that DB server would be archived daily and keep
: from months to years. I bet all your deleted hotmail emails of
: this year have a ton of backup copies somewhere. FBI can easily get
: it when needed. Daily backup is to save disaster (This bbs had one
: before) and surveillance. Don't be naive.
: Email is not secure in any sense when sending in clear text.
: Hotmail doesn't protect your privacy better than gmail, they are simply
: equally bad.

g*g2008-09-06 07:09

90 楼

Lamb excuse, what are you talking about?
I am a security expert, our company's main product is secure mail, both
outlook based and webbased. It's end to end secure, if I send you an email,
it's encrypted on my desktop and decrypted on your desktop, no one else
can decrypt it without the key. Sounds secure?
But you know what, there must be left a way to recover your key without
your knowledge. That's required by law enforcement authority.
One way or the other, average user will get spied. If you

【在 H***3 的大作中提到】

: That sounds like a lamb excuse to me.
: It's like your parents blame you for doing bad things, and you whine like "
: It's not only me! xxx did that too!!!"

S*I2008-09-06 07:09

91 楼

Big Brother is watching :)

【在 g*****g 的大作中提到】

: Lamb excuse, what are you talking about?
: I am a security expert, our company's main product is secure mail, both
: outlook based and webbased. It's end to end secure, if I send you an email,
: it's encrypted on my desktop and decrypted on your desktop, no one else
: can decrypt it without the key. Sounds secure?
: But you know what, there must be left a way to recover your key without
: your knowledge. That's required by law enforcement authority.
: One way or the other, average user will get spied. If you

N*P2008-09-06 07:09

92 楼

you paid MS and ATT...
Have you ever paid for Google search service?

etc.

【在 H***3 的大作中提到】

: Did you ever use M$'s softwares? Did you ever say bad words about M$?
: I did.
: The list also extends to ATT/Verizon/TMobile, Time Warner/comcast, etc. etc.

t*a2008-09-06 07:09

93 楼

You didn't pay CCTV, but you can still curse CCTV for doing evil things.
What's the difference between cursing CCTV and cursing Google? Well,
I found one - there are more people who/whose relatives are recruited
by google on this board than people who/whose relatives are recruited
by CCTV.

【在 N*P 的大作中提到】

: you paid MS and ATT...
: Have you ever paid for Google search service?
:
: etc.

b*g2008-09-06 07:09

94 楼

稍微看了一下代码，
那个东西相当于给第三方提供的一个接口，
可以用来跟踪使用情况，
比如将来嵌入到别的程序里面，就像很多基于IE的浏览器一样，
或者是类似在专有程序里面实现一个简单的显示网页的窗口，
这个东西相当于一个扩展，任何人都可以写rlz.dll
然后放到自己的执行目录里面去，就可以跟踪自己程序的执行情况，
这个接口是开源的，但是并不需要rlz.dll开源，
就好像你可以在ff里面打开pdf，这是ff给打开特定文件提供的接口，
你并不能要求显示pdf的软件开源一样，
相同的例子还有，很多ff插件也是封闭源代码的，
这个道理也是一样，你提供开源平台和接口，
不能要求调用你接口的所有代码都开源，
即使GPLv3也没有这样的要求，开源社区对这个有过很深入的讨论，就不细说了，
至于你怎么样发布自己的rlz.dll，那是发布者的问题，
我也可以自己编译一个chrome，然后放进我自己的rlz.dll，
然后看看我的编译版的使用情况，我一定要公开我的修改，
但是我不必公开rlz.dll的源代码，就是这个意思
还请从开源和发布两个方面考虑，
开源在这里是绝对没有问题的，而且那样打包发布也是没有

【在 t******a 的大作中提到】

: 放出源代码里没有 rlz.dll 的，只有 rlz.dll loader 的代码.
: rlz.dll loader 的头文件可以在这里查看，
: http://src.chromium.org/svn/trunk/src/chrome/browser/rlz/rlz.h
: // RLZ is a library which is used to measure partner distribution deals.
: // Its job is to record certain lifetime events in the registry and to send
: // them encoded as a compact string at most once per day. The sent data does
: // not contain information that can be used to identify a user or to infer
: // browsing habits. The API in this file is a wrapper to rlz.dll w

N*P2008-09-06 07:09

95 楼

Can you please tell me what I cursed CCTV?

【在 t******a 的大作中提到】

: You didn't pay CCTV, but you can still curse CCTV for doing evil things.
: What's the difference between cursing CCTV and cursing Google? Well,
: I found one - there are more people who/whose relatives are recruited
: by google on this board than people who/whose relatives are recruited
: by CCTV.

b*s2008-09-06 07:09

96 楼

When I open Chrome yesterday, I heard a big noise from hard drive. after I
close it, the noise disappear. I don't know why it run my HD like crazy. I
wonder if it collecting the data and send out from my PC. It never happen
for me on firefox and IE.
Anyone has the same experience?

p*y2008-09-06 07:09

97 楼

给google辩护的人很多阿。

g*g2008-09-06 07:09

98 楼

Every company is evil in certain way, it's about less of
evil.

【在 p***y 的大作中提到】

: 给google辩护的人很多阿。

Z*l2008-09-06 07:09

99 楼

没什么，以后不用它上黄色网站就是了。

send
does

【在 t******a 的大作中提到】

: 放出源代码里没有 rlz.dll 的，只有 rlz.dll loader 的代码.
: rlz.dll loader 的头文件可以在这里查看，
: http://src.chromium.org/svn/trunk/src/chrome/browser/rlz/rlz.h
: // RLZ is a library which is used to measure partner distribution deals.
: // Its job is to record certain lifetime events in the registry and to send
: // them encoded as a compact string at most once per day. The sent data does
: // not contain information that can be used to identify a user or to infer
: // browsing habits. The API in this file is a wrapper to rlz.dll w

H*32008-09-06 07:09

100 楼

hmm... how about CNN? :-P
Is it really true that google's search service is 100% free? Think harder.

【在 N*P 的大作中提到】

: you paid MS and ATT...
: Have you ever paid for Google search service?
:
: etc.

P*f2008-09-06 07:09

101 楼

还唠叨啥，赶紧拿了证据file lawsuit去

你这个帖子已经彻底逻辑混乱了，我不知道是狗粉的身份还是google 亲友团的
身份干扰了你的正常思维。
1. 世界上并不是只有 IE 和 Chrome 两个浏览器。即使有洁癖，还可以用 Firefox,
并不是向你说的那样没得选择。Firefox 起码到目前为止是 100% 开源，而且没有
像 Google 那样一边号称开源，一边不询问用户偷偷夹带不开源的行为跟踪私货。
2. 请举出一个 M$ 未经许可发送用户隐私，行为习惯到自己服务器，而且没法
通过正常设置界面关掉的例子。即使不开源，也有很多方法可以跟踪操作系统
和程序的行为。而且 Windows/IE 的源代码都曾经被泄露过，政府，学校也是可以
拿到的，目前还没有公司和个人报告 windows/ie/office 有这方面的劣迹。 Google
这次的行为已经越界了，不论它开源还是不开源。开源的话性质更糟糕，因为这就是
所谓的一边当婊子一边立牌坊。
3. 只要用户愿意，chrome 不管收集发送什么信息都没有问题，但像现在这样，没有
警告用户就偷着装 tracking dll,

【在 t******a 的大作中提到】

: 你这个帖子已经彻底逻辑混乱了，我不知道是狗粉的身份还是google 亲友团的
: 身份干扰了你的正常思维。
: 1. 世界上并不是只有 IE 和 Chrome 两个浏览器。即使有洁癖，还可以用 Firefox,
: 并不是向你说的那样没得选择。Firefox 起码到目前为止是 100% 开源，而且没有
: 像 Google 那样一边号称开源，一边不询问用户偷偷夹带不开源的行为跟踪私货。
: 2. 请举出一个 M$ 未经许可发送用户隐私，行为习惯到自己服务器，而且没法
: 通过正常设置界面关掉的例子。即使不开源，也有很多方法可以跟踪操作系统
: 和程序的行为。而且 Windows/IE 的源代码都曾经被泄露过，政府，学校也是可以
: 拿到的，目前还没有公司和个人报告 windows/ie/office 有这方面的劣迹。 Google
: 这次的行为已经越界了，不论它开源还是不开源。开源的话性质更糟糕，因为这就是

t*a2008-09-06 07:09

102 楼

你这论调好眼熟，亲友团还是粉丝团?
懒得回答你了，送你一个别人的脑残回答供参考
发信人: SHEN0K (添牙：永久性脑损伤), 信区: NewExpress
标题: Re: 谁能用法律告诉我：三鹿到底做错了什么？
发信站: 水木社区 (Sat Sep 13 05:56:20 2008), 站内
现在有检察院对三鹿提起公诉了吗？
如果没有，你跳起来叫什么法律不法律的呀？

【在 P*****f 的大作中提到】

: 还唠叨啥，赶紧拿了证据file lawsuit去
:
: 你这个帖子已经彻底逻辑混乱了，我不知道是狗粉的身份还是google 亲友团的
: 身份干扰了你的正常思维。
: 1. 世界上并不是只有 IE 和 Chrome 两个浏览器。即使有洁癖，还可以用 Firefox,
: 并不是向你说的那样没得选择。Firefox 起码到目前为止是 100% 开源，而且没有
: 像 Google 那样一边号称开源，一边不询问用户偷偷夹带不开源的行为跟踪私货。
: 2. 请举出一个 M$ 未经许可发送用户隐私，行为习惯到自己服务器，而且没法
: 通过正常设置界面关掉的例子。即使不开源，也有很多方法可以跟踪操作系统
: 和程序的行为。而且 Windows/IE 的源代码都曾经被泄露过，政府，学校也是可以

P*f2008-09-06 07:09

103 楼

赶紧去

你这论调好眼熟，亲友团还是粉丝团?
懒得回答你了，送你一个别人的脑残回答供参考
发信人: SHEN0K (添牙：永久性脑损伤), 信区: NewExpress
标题: Re: 谁能用法律告诉我：三鹿到底做错了什么？
发信站: 水木社区 (Sat Sep 13 05:56:20 2008), 站内
现在有检察院对三鹿提起公诉了吗？
如果没有，你跳起来叫什么法律不法律的呀？

【在 t******a 的大作中提到】

: 你这论调好眼熟，亲友团还是粉丝团?
: 懒得回答你了，送你一个别人的脑残回答供参考
: 发信人: SHEN0K (添牙：永久性脑损伤), 信区: NewExpress
: 标题: Re: 谁能用法律告诉我：三鹿到底做错了什么？
: 发信站: 水木社区 (Sat Sep 13 05:56:20 2008), 站内
: 现在有检察院对三鹿提起公诉了吗？
: 如果没有，你跳起来叫什么法律不法律的呀？

P*f2008-09-06 07:09

104 楼

俺表示道义上的支持

赶紧去
你这论调好眼熟，亲友团还是粉丝团?
懒得回答你了，送你一个别人的脑残回答供参考
发信人: SHEN0K (添牙：永久性脑损伤), 信区: NewExpress
标题: Re: 谁能用法律告诉我：三鹿到底做错了什么？
发信站: 水木社区 (Sat Sep 13 05:56:20 2008), 站内
现在有检察院对三鹿提起公诉了吗？
如果没有，你跳起来叫什么法律不法律的呀？

【在 P*****f 的大作中提到】

: 赶紧去
:
: 你这论调好眼熟，亲友团还是粉丝团?
: 懒得回答你了，送你一个别人的脑残回答供参考
: 发信人: SHEN0K (添牙：永久性脑损伤), 信区: NewExpress
: 标题: Re: 谁能用法律告诉我：三鹿到底做错了什么？
: 发信站: 水木社区 (Sat Sep 13 05:56:20 2008), 站内
: 现在有检察院对三鹿提起公诉了吗？
: 如果没有，你跳起来叫什么法律不法律的呀？

P*f2008-09-06 07:09

105 楼

several sentences only on technical issues.
I spend sometime on the so-called code. the dll itself looks like a general
encoding and communicaiton engine.
and the application-specific RLZ code inside chrome do the real high level
work.
By analyzing the code, there looks no much serious thing going.
At first run: chrome sends installed information of itself, like when, what'
s the homepage and whether the default search provider is google.
Then each day: chromes sends one piece of message: the br

【在 t******a 的大作中提到】

: 放出源代码里没有 rlz.dll 的，只有 rlz.dll loader 的代码.
: rlz.dll loader 的头文件可以在这里查看，
: http://src.chromium.org/svn/trunk/src/chrome/browser/rlz/rlz.h
: // RLZ is a library which is used to measure partner distribution deals.
: // Its job is to record certain lifetime events in the registry and to send
: // them encoded as a compact string at most once per day. The sent data does
: // not contain information that can be used to identify a user or to infer
: // browsing habits. The API in this file is a wrapper to rlz.dll w

H*H2008-09-06 07:09

106 楼

如果不放在该user的隐藏文件夹里，是不是这台机子的其他用户也能看见了？