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SHORT UVXY# Stock
b*r
1
very big risk in bear market
so only small position
smaller than my FB souvenir buy
by the way, already sold FB.
will hold until my broker force buy back....
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b*r
2
靠,终于出水了一个啊。。
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b*r
3
lol,把PBR损失补点回来吧。
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s*7
4
nice call tiger god!
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b*r
5
This one acts like options. If you wanna play, be aware of the risk, :)
In a bear market, it might gain daily premium when VIX futures show
backwardation, which is bad for holding shorts overnight.

【在 s***7 的大作中提到】
: nice call tiger god!
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b*r
6
like 6X。。。but it looks to have premium now.
Check out VXX versus $VIX.
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b*r
7
ok..closed shorts for today. Maybe shorting again if spike.
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b*r
8
covered too early...man...
too early.
Chances are new spike is coming...good...
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b*r
9
Covered at 20..still higher than today's close yah.
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b*r
10
where is the panic?
200 points for a mere 10% uvxy?
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b*r
11
so weak.. no panic at all.
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b*r
12
Next week might have a good chance to short UVXY again.
If no spike, then let it go...not much youshui~
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b*r
13
panic, where is panic?
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w*1
14
不能short啊,short不到。

【在 b******r 的大作中提到】
: very big risk in bear market
: so only small position
: smaller than my FB souvenir buy
: by the way, already sold FB.
: will hold until my broker force buy back....

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b*r
15
Available in TDAmeritrade. Should be still avaiable now.
This one is a nuclear weapon. I only suggest shorting it when huge spike
coming and still, control your risk all the time.

【在 w********1 的大作中提到】
: 不能short啊,short不到。
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h*2
16
可以买xiv
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b*r
17
This one has much better liquity than XXV. But it looks much more volatile
than xxv. I like XXV since its inception, but feel so sad it is nearly un-
tradble.

【在 h****2 的大作中提到】
: 可以买xiv
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n*d
18
当contango很客观的时候,short UVXY 数学期望启不是每天赚钱?
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b*r
19
VIX shooting up all of a sudden could turn contango into backwardation. In
this case, ETFs get premium. VXX could. go up more than VIX after daily
rollover.

【在 n*******d 的大作中提到】
: 当contango很客观的时候,short UVXY 数学期望启不是每天赚钱?
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b*r
20
My experience is that if you can hold your shorting positions forever,
eventually you could short VXX/UVXY etc down. But reality is that your
broker might not let you do it. They will force you to cover before VIX goes
down in a VIX huge-up cycle. So there is still considerable risk associated
with UVXY shorting. Also in many cases, you might not be able to borrow it.
Broker are BLACK, very BLACK.
Buying SVXY might be a better choice. If I understand it correctly, contango
is the dominant trend for VIX futures. Backwardation lasts much less time.
But personally I havenot done any SVXY buying yet. This is only my over-
simplified speculation of SVXY mechanism. SVXY might have time-decay as
other 2X 3X ETFs.
XXV is super and I don't observe any time decay but only premium from
contango for the last couple of years. However, volume for XXV is so low.
Not a very good trading vehicle.
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n*d
21
谢谢你的经验分享。我猜赚钱的唯一办法是自己发行UVXY,不知道proshare是不是只要
发行share就行了,是不是真的在全额资金地操作买进卖出vix futures。如果不用全额
资金操作,那它就可以光发行,就给你个担保就行了,你可以随时以nav的价格来兑现
,但事实上没有很多人会去兑现,有那功夫在二级市场上卖了岂不是更方便。UVXY的
time decay非常厉害,我估算了一下每个月15%,所以如果监管机构不管的话,它是可
以空手套白狼的。

goes
associated
it.
contango
.

【在 b******r 的大作中提到】
: My experience is that if you can hold your shorting positions forever,
: eventually you could short VXX/UVXY etc down. But reality is that your
: broker might not let you do it. They will force you to cover before VIX goes
: down in a VIX huge-up cycle. So there is still considerable risk associated
: with UVXY shorting. Also in many cases, you might not be able to borrow it.
: Broker are BLACK, very BLACK.
: Buying SVXY might be a better choice. If I understand it correctly, contango
: is the dominant trend for VIX futures. Backwardation lasts much less time.
: But personally I havenot done any SVXY buying yet. This is only my over-
: simplified speculation of SVXY mechanism. SVXY might have time-decay as

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n*d
22
而TVIX呢是ETN,Maturity是2030年,所以它根本不用在底下买进卖出vix future,就
是一个担保,在2030年以nav的价值购回,而那时share的相对价值对比20年前的发行价
一定是一个非常接近零的值。
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b*r
23
Yep. I got headache trying to understand TVIX especially when It was traded
at unrealistic premium during the chaos caused by CS notes suspension. I
decided to leave it alone since then.

而TVIX呢是ETN,Maturity是2030年,所以它根本不用在底下买进卖出vix future,就
是一个担保,在2030年以nav的价值购回,而那时share的相对价值对........
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【在 n*******d 的大作中提到】
: 而TVIX呢是ETN,Maturity是2030年,所以它根本不用在底下买进卖出vix future,就
: 是一个担保,在2030年以nav的价值购回,而那时share的相对价值对比20年前的发行价
: 一定是一个非常接近零的值。

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