S*t
2 楼
LITB三连跳后,今天似乎有点爬升迹象。
R*i
3 楼
有闲钱从娃生下来就可以存了。
l*i
4 楼
连创新低,别碰这丫的
i*r
5 楼
这个还没有研究过,好吗?
O*e
7 楼
这个我研究了一下,看了书,问了会计师和我自己的老师,觉得不合算,所以没打算存
。
。
g*g
9 楼
请教下从什么时候开始比较合适
多谢
多谢
R*i
11 楼
有闲钱从娃生下来就可以存了。
S*t
12 楼
涨得还真欢,决定留一半赌ER。
i*r
13 楼
这个还没有研究过,好吗?
O*e
15 楼
这个我研究了一下,看了书,问了会计师和我自己的老师,觉得不合算,所以没打算存
。
。
F*o
22 楼
你要是对这个感兴趣的话, 自己去研究一下自己state的529 plan好了, 比在这里让
别人给你误导信息要强多了。
529 plan每个state都是不同的, 有的state的plan非常好, 值得使用。 有的state做
的很烂的那就不要使用了。
存钱的人是不能省联邦税,但是某些state是可以省一些州税的。 529最大的一个好
处就是the principal grows tax-deferred and distributions for the beneficiary
's college costs are exempt from tax.
529的钱名义上是你给小朋友存的, 但是你完全可以控制这些钱的去向, 如果你把钱
拿出来也是没有问题的。 只需要补税并且付10% penalty tax就可以了。
账户总额低于20万的话, 每年放进去的钱是没有配额限制的, 超过20万就有一些限制, 并且账户的总额最大是是有限制的, 我们的那个是37万左右。
别人给你误导信息要强多了。
529 plan每个state都是不同的, 有的state的plan非常好, 值得使用。 有的state做
的很烂的那就不要使用了。
存钱的人是不能省联邦税,但是某些state是可以省一些州税的。 529最大的一个好
处就是the principal grows tax-deferred and distributions for the beneficiary
's college costs are exempt from tax.
529的钱名义上是你给小朋友存的, 但是你完全可以控制这些钱的去向, 如果你把钱
拿出来也是没有问题的。 只需要补税并且付10% penalty tax就可以了。
账户总额低于20万的话, 每年放进去的钱是没有配额限制的, 超过20万就有一些限制, 并且账户的总额最大是是有限制的, 我们的那个是37万左右。
J*i
23 楼
If your CPA told you this, you should FIRE her/him right away and report her
/him to state board of public accountancy for incompetence!
There is NO current federal tax savings (benefit) for contributing to the
529 Plan. Some states offer small tax break at state income tax level, not
all.
The contribution limitation varies by state but can go all the way to $300,
000 something, and is considered to be enough to fund 5 years of college.
If you look at the following Website, the performance of the high rank state
529 saving plans beat that of the average savings acct. by huge margins.
And you are not restricted to invest in the 529 plan offered by your
resident state. (I hope your CPA told you that)
http://www.savingforcollege.com/articles/2011-plan-performance-
Given the benefit of tax free growth (compounding) and tax free
distributions, which could be huge if you do the math, if you can spare some
money, in my opinion 529 plan is still the best approach to save for
college for your kids, and we plan to set one up right after our baby is
born.
话。
【在 O******e 的大作中提到】
: 1.存的钱不够上大学的,每年$5000的上限,年年存满存到18岁,+非常低的收益(基本
: 等于存款利息)是不可能够娃上4年大学的。还要take risk。。。。我指投资失败的话。
: 2.对退/缴税几乎没有帮助。这个虽然要根据你的报税状态来看,但对大部分我周围的
: 家庭来说,有多余钱存529的,都不会对这个计划感兴趣,每年多减少减5000块的税前
: 收入,最后导致的少缴或者多缴几十块税,还不如自己买股票或投资些别的,赚的都比
: 这个多。
: 3.存了就拿不出来了,只能读书花掉。
/him to state board of public accountancy for incompetence!
There is NO current federal tax savings (benefit) for contributing to the
529 Plan. Some states offer small tax break at state income tax level, not
all.
The contribution limitation varies by state but can go all the way to $300,
000 something, and is considered to be enough to fund 5 years of college.
If you look at the following Website, the performance of the high rank state
529 saving plans beat that of the average savings acct. by huge margins.
And you are not restricted to invest in the 529 plan offered by your
resident state. (I hope your CPA told you that)
http://www.savingforcollege.com/articles/2011-plan-performance-
Given the benefit of tax free growth (compounding) and tax free
distributions, which could be huge if you do the math, if you can spare some
money, in my opinion 529 plan is still the best approach to save for
college for your kids, and we plan to set one up right after our baby is
born.
话。
【在 O******e 的大作中提到】
: 1.存的钱不够上大学的,每年$5000的上限,年年存满存到18岁,+非常低的收益(基本
: 等于存款利息)是不可能够娃上4年大学的。还要take risk。。。。我指投资失败的话。
: 2.对退/缴税几乎没有帮助。这个虽然要根据你的报税状态来看,但对大部分我周围的
: 家庭来说,有多余钱存529的,都不会对这个计划感兴趣,每年多减少减5000块的税前
: 收入,最后导致的少缴或者多缴几十块税,还不如自己买股票或投资些别的,赚的都比
: 这个多。
: 3.存了就拿不出来了,只能读书花掉。
F*o
24 楼
嘿嘿, 你不要这么直接吗。
her
state
【在 J*****i 的大作中提到】
: If your CPA told you this, you should FIRE her/him right away and report her
: /him to state board of public accountancy for incompetence!
: There is NO current federal tax savings (benefit) for contributing to the
: 529 Plan. Some states offer small tax break at state income tax level, not
: all.
: The contribution limitation varies by state but can go all the way to $300,
: 000 something, and is considered to be enough to fund 5 years of college.
: If you look at the following Website, the performance of the high rank state
: 529 saving plans beat that of the average savings acct. by huge margins.
: And you are not restricted to invest in the 529 plan offered by your
her
state
【在 J*****i 的大作中提到】
: If your CPA told you this, you should FIRE her/him right away and report her
: /him to state board of public accountancy for incompetence!
: There is NO current federal tax savings (benefit) for contributing to the
: 529 Plan. Some states offer small tax break at state income tax level, not
: all.
: The contribution limitation varies by state but can go all the way to $300,
: 000 something, and is considered to be enough to fund 5 years of college.
: If you look at the following Website, the performance of the high rank state
: 529 saving plans beat that of the average savings acct. by huge margins.
: And you are not restricted to invest in the 529 plan offered by your
B*t
25 楼
楼上的2个MM的消息太好了,我们也在准备做529,正在研究这个。反正都是要给小
孩存钱,如果能有好的计划就是最好的了。
孩存钱,如果能有好的计划就是最好的了。
B*t
26 楼
对了,大家不但要考虑存,好象也要考虑取,因为取的时候有个annual federal gift
tax exclusion of $13,000 per donor ($26,000 for married contributors。)也就
是说每年TAX FREE取的只能给小孩26000。
也不知道这26000可以不可以用于除了学费以外的其他大学费用。Qualified
Higher Education Expenses 不知道到底指那些。
tax exclusion of $13,000 per donor ($26,000 for married contributors。)也就
是说每年TAX FREE取的只能给小孩26000。
也不知道这26000可以不可以用于除了学费以外的其他大学费用。Qualified
Higher Education Expenses 不知道到底指那些。
O*e
27 楼
哦?我忽略了不同州的tax规定不一样,我这边的529确是不太好,我周围的人没什么人
存。以后回帖我要考虑下州的问题。不过你的第一句话的确提醒我这个建议是去年被
fire的Cpa给的,嘿嘿,我们让人重做了税后多拿回来1万多刀。
her
state
【在 J*****i 的大作中提到】
: If your CPA told you this, you should FIRE her/him right away and report her
: /him to state board of public accountancy for incompetence!
: There is NO current federal tax savings (benefit) for contributing to the
: 529 Plan. Some states offer small tax break at state income tax level, not
: all.
: The contribution limitation varies by state but can go all the way to $300,
: 000 something, and is considered to be enough to fund 5 years of college.
: If you look at the following Website, the performance of the high rank state
: 529 saving plans beat that of the average savings acct. by huge margins.
: And you are not restricted to invest in the 529 plan offered by your
存。以后回帖我要考虑下州的问题。不过你的第一句话的确提醒我这个建议是去年被
fire的Cpa给的,嘿嘿,我们让人重做了税后多拿回来1万多刀。
her
state
【在 J*****i 的大作中提到】
: If your CPA told you this, you should FIRE her/him right away and report her
: /him to state board of public accountancy for incompetence!
: There is NO current federal tax savings (benefit) for contributing to the
: 529 Plan. Some states offer small tax break at state income tax level, not
: all.
: The contribution limitation varies by state but can go all the way to $300,
: 000 something, and is considered to be enough to fund 5 years of college.
: If you look at the following Website, the performance of the high rank state
: 529 saving plans beat that of the average savings acct. by huge margins.
: And you are not restricted to invest in the 529 plan offered by your
t*i
28 楼
O*e
29 楼
看了那个网站了,好的州还真不错啊,只是我们州连个影都不见,不论几年期。xie谢
谢你的信息,
her
state
【在 J*****i 的大作中提到】
: If your CPA told you this, you should FIRE her/him right away and report her
: /him to state board of public accountancy for incompetence!
: There is NO current federal tax savings (benefit) for contributing to the
: 529 Plan. Some states offer small tax break at state income tax level, not
: all.
: The contribution limitation varies by state but can go all the way to $300,
: 000 something, and is considered to be enough to fund 5 years of college.
: If you look at the following Website, the performance of the high rank state
: 529 saving plans beat that of the average savings acct. by huge margins.
: And you are not restricted to invest in the 529 plan offered by your
谢你的信息,
her
state
【在 J*****i 的大作中提到】
: If your CPA told you this, you should FIRE her/him right away and report her
: /him to state board of public accountancy for incompetence!
: There is NO current federal tax savings (benefit) for contributing to the
: 529 Plan. Some states offer small tax break at state income tax level, not
: all.
: The contribution limitation varies by state but can go all the way to $300,
: 000 something, and is considered to be enough to fund 5 years of college.
: If you look at the following Website, the performance of the high rank state
: 529 saving plans beat that of the average savings acct. by huge margins.
: And you are not restricted to invest in the 529 plan offered by your
J*i
32 楼
I'm not an export on 529 plans, but here is what I believe:
There is NO annual limitation on gift to pay educational expenses, as long
as the money is paid directly to school. So if you do it correctly, you don'
t need to file gift tax return and there is no gift tax implications when
you do qualified withdrawal for whatever amount needed.
The definition of Qualified Education Expenses changes from year to year by
IRS. For 2011, it is defined as:
Qualified Education Expenses
Generally, qualified education expenses are amounts paid in 2011 for tuition
and fees required for the student's enrollment or attendance at an eligible
educational institution. It does not matter whether the expenses were paid
in cash, by check, by credit or debit card, or with borrowed funds.
Only certain expenses for course-related books, supplies, and equipment
qualify.
American opportunity credit: Qualified education expenses include amounts
spent on books, supplies, and equipment needed for a course of study,
whether or not the materials are purchased from the educational institution
as a condition of enrollment or attendance.
Lifetime learning credit: Qualified education expenses include only amounts
for books, supplies, and equipment required to be paid to the institution as
a condition of enrollment or attendance.
Qualified education expenses for either credit do not include amounts paid
for:
Room and board, insurance, medical expenses (including student health fees),
transportation, or other similar personal, living, or family expenses.
Any course or other education involving sports, games, or hobbies, or any
noncredit course, unless such course or other education is part of the
student's degree program or (for the lifetime learning credit only) helps
the student acquire or improve job skills.
Nonacademic fees, such as student activity fees, athletic fees, insurance
expenses, or other expenses unrelated to the academic course of instruction.
The CONTRIBUTION to the 529 plan IS subject to the annual gift exclusion and
you can get around it by making a 5-year election ( to treat the total
contributio on year one as gift evenly over 5-year period of time).
Let me know if you feel otherwise.
gift
【在 B*******t 的大作中提到】
: 对了,大家不但要考虑存,好象也要考虑取,因为取的时候有个annual federal gift
: tax exclusion of $13,000 per donor ($26,000 for married contributors。)也就
: 是说每年TAX FREE取的只能给小孩26000。
: 也不知道这26000可以不可以用于除了学费以外的其他大学费用。Qualified
: Higher Education Expenses 不知道到底指那些。
There is NO annual limitation on gift to pay educational expenses, as long
as the money is paid directly to school. So if you do it correctly, you don'
t need to file gift tax return and there is no gift tax implications when
you do qualified withdrawal for whatever amount needed.
The definition of Qualified Education Expenses changes from year to year by
IRS. For 2011, it is defined as:
Qualified Education Expenses
Generally, qualified education expenses are amounts paid in 2011 for tuition
and fees required for the student's enrollment or attendance at an eligible
educational institution. It does not matter whether the expenses were paid
in cash, by check, by credit or debit card, or with borrowed funds.
Only certain expenses for course-related books, supplies, and equipment
qualify.
American opportunity credit: Qualified education expenses include amounts
spent on books, supplies, and equipment needed for a course of study,
whether or not the materials are purchased from the educational institution
as a condition of enrollment or attendance.
Lifetime learning credit: Qualified education expenses include only amounts
for books, supplies, and equipment required to be paid to the institution as
a condition of enrollment or attendance.
Qualified education expenses for either credit do not include amounts paid
for:
Room and board, insurance, medical expenses (including student health fees),
transportation, or other similar personal, living, or family expenses.
Any course or other education involving sports, games, or hobbies, or any
noncredit course, unless such course or other education is part of the
student's degree program or (for the lifetime learning credit only) helps
the student acquire or improve job skills.
Nonacademic fees, such as student activity fees, athletic fees, insurance
expenses, or other expenses unrelated to the academic course of instruction.
The CONTRIBUTION to the 529 plan IS subject to the annual gift exclusion and
you can get around it by making a 5-year election ( to treat the total
contributio on year one as gift evenly over 5-year period of time).
Let me know if you feel otherwise.
gift
【在 B*******t 的大作中提到】
: 对了,大家不但要考虑存,好象也要考虑取,因为取的时候有个annual federal gift
: tax exclusion of $13,000 per donor ($26,000 for married contributors。)也就
: 是说每年TAX FREE取的只能给小孩26000。
: 也不知道这26000可以不可以用于除了学费以外的其他大学费用。Qualified
: Higher Education Expenses 不知道到底指那些。
g*g
38 楼
涨知识了。感谢楼上的各位
t*u
41 楼
现在在TX,之后很快会去别的州。这个529只能买一个州的吗?能转吗?或者有通用的?
而且这个是不是好像只针对公立学校什么的?
beneficiary
制, 并且账户的总额最大是是有限制的, 我们的那个是37万左右。
【在 F*********o 的大作中提到】
: 你要是对这个感兴趣的话, 自己去研究一下自己state的529 plan好了, 比在这里让
: 别人给你误导信息要强多了。
: 529 plan每个state都是不同的, 有的state的plan非常好, 值得使用。 有的state做
: 的很烂的那就不要使用了。
: 存钱的人是不能省联邦税,但是某些state是可以省一些州税的。 529最大的一个好
: 处就是the principal grows tax-deferred and distributions for the beneficiary
: 's college costs are exempt from tax.
: 529的钱名义上是你给小朋友存的, 但是你完全可以控制这些钱的去向, 如果你把钱
: 拿出来也是没有问题的。 只需要补税并且付10% penalty tax就可以了。
: 账户总额低于20万的话, 每年放进去的钱是没有配额限制的, 超过20万就有一些限制, 并且账户的总额最大是是有限制的, 我们的那个是37万左右。
而且这个是不是好像只针对公立学校什么的?
beneficiary
制, 并且账户的总额最大是是有限制的, 我们的那个是37万左右。
【在 F*********o 的大作中提到】
: 你要是对这个感兴趣的话, 自己去研究一下自己state的529 plan好了, 比在这里让
: 别人给你误导信息要强多了。
: 529 plan每个state都是不同的, 有的state的plan非常好, 值得使用。 有的state做
: 的很烂的那就不要使用了。
: 存钱的人是不能省联邦税,但是某些state是可以省一些州税的。 529最大的一个好
: 处就是the principal grows tax-deferred and distributions for the beneficiary
: 's college costs are exempt from tax.
: 529的钱名义上是你给小朋友存的, 但是你完全可以控制这些钱的去向, 如果你把钱
: 拿出来也是没有问题的。 只需要补税并且付10% penalty tax就可以了。
: 账户总额低于20万的话, 每年放进去的钱是没有配额限制的, 超过20万就有一些限制, 并且账户的总额最大是是有限制的, 我们的那个是37万左右。
j*r
42 楼
肯定不是只针对公立,只要大学都可以用,好像国外的也行。我买本州的,可以省一点
点州税,不到200的样子。
点州税,不到200的样子。
a*8
45 楼
mark一下
j*r
46 楼
刚开始提到那个5000的限制应该是和Roth IRA的。如果没有其他更好的投资,这个也不
错,退休后收益免税,本金使用没限制,投资选择比529灵活。银行建议的顺序是先填
Roth IRA,之后529和其他投资账户。
错,退休后收益免税,本金使用没限制,投资选择比529灵活。银行建议的顺序是先填
Roth IRA,之后529和其他投资账户。
J*i
47 楼
Mass offers no state deduction for contributions to the 529 plan, so there
will be no income recapture when you do a rollover to another state’s plan.
But do check with the plan admin to be sure that the transfer won’t be
counted as a disqualified disposition (subject to income and penalties) for
any reason. Different state has different rules on this. If possible always
do a trustee-to-trustee transfer, which mean that you authorize the
receiving plan to pull the money directly from your current plan without the
money/check passing your hand. It will avoid receiving incorrectly coded
1099s and issues you will have to explain to your CPA/IRS when it is time to
do your 2012 return.
performance
【在 g****o 的大作中提到】
: 我们在MA开的529,用的是fidelity investment。根据你给的网站,MA的performance
: 非常靠后。不知道能不能roll over到别的performance比较好的state plan去呢?
:
: to
will be no income recapture when you do a rollover to another state’s plan.
But do check with the plan admin to be sure that the transfer won’t be
counted as a disqualified disposition (subject to income and penalties) for
any reason. Different state has different rules on this. If possible always
do a trustee-to-trustee transfer, which mean that you authorize the
receiving plan to pull the money directly from your current plan without the
money/check passing your hand. It will avoid receiving incorrectly coded
1099s and issues you will have to explain to your CPA/IRS when it is time to
do your 2012 return.
performance
【在 g****o 的大作中提到】
: 我们在MA开的529,用的是fidelity investment。根据你给的网站,MA的performance
: 非常靠后。不知道能不能roll over到别的performance比较好的state plan去呢?
:
: to
J*i
48 楼
Check if you are eligible for ROTH IRA contributions or not first. If you
are covered by a retirement plan, cellings for eligibility to contribute to
ROTH is really low.
Of course for some people there is the opportunity to do a contribution to
nondeductible traditional IRA and then do a Roth conversion under current
law. But the computation is rather complicated and case by case, which
cannot be easily covered here.
【在 j********r 的大作中提到】
: 刚开始提到那个5000的限制应该是和Roth IRA的。如果没有其他更好的投资,这个也不
: 错,退休后收益免税,本金使用没限制,投资选择比529灵活。银行建议的顺序是先填
: Roth IRA,之后529和其他投资账户。
are covered by a retirement plan, cellings for eligibility to contribute to
ROTH is really low.
Of course for some people there is the opportunity to do a contribution to
nondeductible traditional IRA and then do a Roth conversion under current
law. But the computation is rather complicated and case by case, which
cannot be easily covered here.
【在 j********r 的大作中提到】
: 刚开始提到那个5000的限制应该是和Roth IRA的。如果没有其他更好的投资,这个也不
: 错,退休后收益免税,本金使用没限制,投资选择比529灵活。银行建议的顺序是先填
: Roth IRA,之后529和其他投资账户。
J*i
49 楼
If some accountant tells you that you don't need to report oversea assets
and/or income (I'm not talking about annual exclusion for earned income for
people working oversea), be very careful and seek second opinion. IRS is
cramping down the action on hiding stuff overseas, and charge HUGE HUGE
penalties if someone got caught. I'm talking about lossing all your
investment type of penalties here.
【在 O******e 的大作中提到】
: 哈哈,这个以后单独和你说啊,这个CPA的质量参差不齐差很多啊,对有海外资产或帐
: 户的人来说找个靠谱的很重要。不是越贵越好的,一些是徒有虚名罢了。
and/or income (I'm not talking about annual exclusion for earned income for
people working oversea), be very careful and seek second opinion. IRS is
cramping down the action on hiding stuff overseas, and charge HUGE HUGE
penalties if someone got caught. I'm talking about lossing all your
investment type of penalties here.
【在 O******e 的大作中提到】
: 哈哈,这个以后单独和你说啊,这个CPA的质量参差不齐差很多啊,对有海外资产或帐
: 户的人来说找个靠谱的很重要。不是越贵越好的,一些是徒有虚名罢了。
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