开始喜欢SUN了# Unix - 噫吁兮，危乎高哉
b*i
1 楼
以前一直用HPUX，最近换成SUN，发现SUN比较好，无论是速度还是稳定性，几十个人共用
一台SERVER，好象很轻松啊。PC 哪天能发展到这一步？
不过PC上网速度快多了，UNIX里面的NETSCAPE 实在象蜗牛。
一台SERVER，好象很轻松啊。PC 哪天能发展到这一步？
不过PC上网速度快多了，UNIX里面的NETSCAPE 实在象蜗牛。
s*n
2 楼
几十个人共用？what kind of sun server do you have?
【在 b**********i 的大作中提到】
: 以前一直用HPUX，最近换成SUN，发现SUN比较好，无论是速度还是稳定性，几十个人共用
: 一台SERVER，好象很轻松啊。PC 哪天能发展到这一步？
: 不过PC上网速度快多了，UNIX里面的NETSCAPE 实在象蜗牛。
【在 b**********i 的大作中提到】
: 以前一直用HPUX，最近换成SUN，发现SUN比较好，无论是速度还是稳定性，几十个人共用
: 一台SERVER，好象很轻松啊。PC 哪天能发展到这一步？
: 不过PC上网速度快多了，UNIX里面的NETSCAPE 实在象蜗牛。
w*k
3 楼
hehe, PC is already far beyond what you described.
【在 b**********i 的大作中提到】
: 以前一直用HPUX，最近换成SUN，发现SUN比较好，无论是速度还是稳定性，几十个人共用
: 一台SERVER，好象很轻松啊。PC 哪天能发展到这一步？
: 不过PC上网速度快多了，UNIX里面的NETSCAPE 实在象蜗牛。
【在 b**********i 的大作中提到】
: 以前一直用HPUX，最近换成SUN，发现SUN比较好，无论是速度还是稳定性，几十个人共用
: 一台SERVER，好象很轻松啊。PC 哪天能发展到这一步？
: 不过PC上网速度快多了，UNIX里面的NETSCAPE 实在象蜗牛。
bz
4 楼
//comfort
【在 b**********i 的大作中提到】
: 以前一直用HPUX，最近换成SUN，发现SUN比较好，无论是速度还是稳定性，几十个人共用
: 一台SERVER，好象很轻松啊。PC 哪天能发展到这一步？
: 不过PC上网速度快多了，UNIX里面的NETSCAPE 实在象蜗牛。
【在 b**********i 的大作中提到】
: 以前一直用HPUX，最近换成SUN，发现SUN比较好，无论是速度还是稳定性，几十个人共用
: 一台SERVER，好象很轻松啊。PC 哪天能发展到这一步？
: 不过PC上网速度快多了，UNIX里面的NETSCAPE 实在象蜗牛。
f*g
5 楼
用
what a poor guy...
you should have a pc for yourself.
【在 b**********i 的大作中提到】
: 以前一直用HPUX，最近换成SUN，发现SUN比较好，无论是速度还是稳定性，几十个人共用
: 一台SERVER，好象很轻松啊。PC 哪天能发展到这一步？
: 不过PC上网速度快多了，UNIX里面的NETSCAPE 实在象蜗牛。
D*g
6 楼
with the same amount of money spent, PC's performance is better than Sun.
【在 b**********i 的大作中提到】
: 以前一直用HPUX，最近换成SUN，发现SUN比较好，无论是速度还是稳定性，几十个人共用
: 一台SERVER，好象很轻松啊。PC 哪天能发展到这一步？
: 不过PC上网速度快多了，UNIX里面的NETSCAPE 实在象蜗牛。
【在 b**********i 的大作中提到】
: 以前一直用HPUX，最近换成SUN，发现SUN比较好，无论是速度还是稳定性，几十个人共用
: 一台SERVER，好象很轻松啊。PC 哪天能发展到这一步？
: 不过PC上网速度快多了，UNIX里面的NETSCAPE 实在象蜗牛。
b*i
7 楼
PC 是不错，但是只能一个人用啊。说到利用率，还是工作站高。
只是不知道一台工作站的钱可以买几台PC，家里装个UNIX局域网，应该是很酷的。
共用
【在 D****g 的大作中提到】
: with the same amount of money spent, PC's performance is better than Sun.
只是不知道一台工作站的钱可以买几台PC，家里装个UNIX局域网，应该是很酷的。
共用
【在 D****g 的大作中提到】
: with the same amount of money spent, PC's performance is better than Sun.
D*g
8 楼
其实有买X terminal的钱也够买台PC了。
【在 b**********i 的大作中提到】
: PC 是不错，但是只能一个人用啊。说到利用率，还是工作站高。
: 只是不知道一台工作站的钱可以买几台PC，家里装个UNIX局域网，应该是很酷的。
:
: 共用
【在 b**********i 的大作中提到】
: PC 是不错，但是只能一个人用啊。说到利用率，还是工作站高。
: 只是不知道一台工作站的钱可以买几台PC，家里装个UNIX局域网，应该是很酷的。
:
: 共用
m*c
9 楼
Or use PC (linux) as X terminal :-)
Sun.
【在 D****g 的大作中提到】
: 其实有买X terminal的钱也够买台PC了。
w*g
10 楼
还不如windows＋cygwin。
【在 m**c 的大作中提到】
:
: Or use PC (linux) as X terminal :-)
: Sun.
【在 m**c 的大作中提到】
:
: Or use PC (linux) as X terminal :-)
: Sun.
y*i
11 楼
说起Browser, SUN+netscape 确实象蜗牛，不知原因何在。
【在 w**********k 的大作中提到】
: hehe, PC is already far beyond what you described.
【在 w**********k 的大作中提到】
: hehe, PC is already far beyond what you described.
n*t
12 楼
sun本来就慢,干什么都慢,
你没发现?
【在 y***i 的大作中提到】
: 说起Browser, SUN+netscape 确实象蜗牛，不知原因何在。
你没发现?
【在 y***i 的大作中提到】
: 说起Browser, SUN+netscape 确实象蜗牛，不知原因何在。
T*r
13 楼
IBM's software is also slow, very slow sometimes, hehe.
【在 n******t 的大作中提到】
: sun本来就慢,干什么都慢,
: 你没发现?
【在 n******t 的大作中提到】
: sun本来就慢,干什么都慢,
: 你没发现?
a*a
14 楼
that's called enterprise edition
【在 T********r 的大作中提到】
: IBM's software is also slow, very slow sometimes, hehe.
【在 T********r 的大作中提到】
: IBM's software is also slow, very slow sometimes, hehe.
r*a
15 楼
haha, exactly!
【在 a****a 的大作中提到】
: that's called enterprise edition
T*r
16 楼
probably debug edition? :p
【在 a****a 的大作中提到】
: that's called enterprise edition
【在 a****a 的大作中提到】
: that's called enterprise edition
n*t
17 楼
那也是的.IBM的软件其实我不觉得怎么样.
不过sun的稳定性给我的印象倒是比较深.
但是速度实在是太慢,特别是我这种急性子.
【在 T********r 的大作中提到】
: IBM's software is also slow, very slow sometimes, hehe.
不过sun的稳定性给我的印象倒是比较深.
但是速度实在是太慢,特别是我这种急性子.
【在 T********r 的大作中提到】
: IBM's software is also slow, very slow sometimes, hehe.
T*r
18 楼
You know, for 24x7x365 up-time case, you should try IBM S390/AS400.
SUN may not be the same level as these systems. I forget the exact
number of the portion of OS/390 code that is dedicated to handle
fault. It is very impressive.
Also, I've heard that IBM's latest G6 (or G7?) CPU for S390 has two
CPUs to execute the same instructions simultaneously - in another
word, if one CPU happens to fail, another one takes over of it
immediately without any interruption. Any SUN's machine would 'waste'
it'
【在 n******t 的大作中提到】
: 那也是的.IBM的软件其实我不觉得怎么样.
: 不过sun的稳定性给我的印象倒是比较深.
: 但是速度实在是太慢,特别是我这种急性子.
SUN may not be the same level as these systems. I forget the exact
number of the portion of OS/390 code that is dedicated to handle
fault. It is very impressive.
Also, I've heard that IBM's latest G6 (or G7?) CPU for S390 has two
CPUs to execute the same instructions simultaneously - in another
word, if one CPU happens to fail, another one takes over of it
immediately without any interruption. Any SUN's machine would 'waste'
it'
【在 n******t 的大作中提到】
: 那也是的.IBM的软件其实我不觉得怎么样.
: 不过sun的稳定性给我的印象倒是比较深.
: 但是速度实在是太慢,特别是我这种急性子.
T*r
19 楼
BTW, today I used an ultra10 with mozilla. It's much faster than
my P4 laptop and P3 desktop, hehe.
【在 n******t 的大作中提到】
: 那也是的.IBM的软件其实我不觉得怎么样.
: 不过sun的稳定性给我的印象倒是比较深.
: 但是速度实在是太慢,特别是我这种急性子.
my P4 laptop and P3 desktop, hehe.
【在 n******t 的大作中提到】
: 那也是的.IBM的软件其实我不觉得怎么样.
: 不过sun的稳定性给我的印象倒是比较深.
: 但是速度实在是太慢,特别是我这种急性子.
r*s
20 楼
ultra10? toooo old ba. I did some tests 3 years ago with my P3 800 and
my ultra10 machine. the result is that for the same task, P3 800 is at
least 30% faster than ultra10.
【在 T********r 的大作中提到】
: BTW, today I used an ultra10 with mozilla. It's much faster than
: my P4 laptop and P3 desktop, hehe.
my ultra10 machine. the result is that for the same task, P3 800 is at
least 30% faster than ultra10.
【在 T********r 的大作中提到】
: BTW, today I used an ultra10 with mozilla. It's much faster than
: my P4 laptop and P3 desktop, hehe.
n*t
21 楼
for servers, I think IO is more important than CPU usage.
SO use a extra CPU as a back up is plausible.
【在 T********r 的大作中提到】
: You know, for 24x7x365 up-time case, you should try IBM S390/AS400.
: SUN may not be the same level as these systems. I forget the exact
: number of the portion of OS/390 code that is dedicated to handle
: fault. It is very impressive.
: Also, I've heard that IBM's latest G6 (or G7?) CPU for S390 has two
: CPUs to execute the same instructions simultaneously - in another
: word, if one CPU happens to fail, another one takes over of it
: immediately without any interruption. Any SUN's machine would 'waste'
: it'
SO use a extra CPU as a back up is plausible.
【在 T********r 的大作中提到】
: You know, for 24x7x365 up-time case, you should try IBM S390/AS400.
: SUN may not be the same level as these systems. I forget the exact
: number of the portion of OS/390 code that is dedicated to handle
: fault. It is very impressive.
: Also, I've heard that IBM's latest G6 (or G7?) CPU for S390 has two
: CPUs to execute the same instructions simultaneously - in another
: word, if one CPU happens to fail, another one takes over of it
: immediately without any interruption. Any SUN's machine would 'waste'
: it'
r*a
22 楼
I did that test 3 years ago too, when runing java p3 800 was much faster than
ultra10
【在 r*****s 的大作中提到】
: ultra10? toooo old ba. I did some tests 3 years ago with my P3 800 and
: my ultra10 machine. the result is that for the same task, P3 800 is at
: least 30% faster than ultra10.
T*r
23 楼
A P4 1GHz + 32MB RAM + 4200RPM HD + Win2k is definitely slower than an
Ultra10 + 512MB RAM + UltraSCSI HD + Solaris to run mozilla, right? :p
Do not take it for grant with only the CPU speed. ;-)
【在 r**a 的大作中提到】
:
: I did that test 3 years ago too, when runing java p3 800 was much faster than
: ultra10
Ultra10 + 512MB RAM + UltraSCSI HD + Solaris to run mozilla, right? :p
Do not take it for grant with only the CPU speed. ;-)
【在 r**a 的大作中提到】
:
: I did that test 3 years ago too, when runing java p3 800 was much faster than
: ultra10
r*a
24 楼
hoho, your configuration is too BT! P4 1GHz with 32MB RAM, LOL!
In my test, the p3 machine had 128MB pc100 mem, 5400 or 7200rpm hd, win2k, while
Ultra10 had 512MB mem, scsi HD, solaris 2.7 (not sure). It is obvious that the
Ultra10 machine was at least twice the price of the pc. Running netscape 4.7 on
that pc was much faster too.
【在 T********r 的大作中提到】
: A P4 1GHz + 32MB RAM + 4200RPM HD + Win2k is definitely slower than an
: Ultra10 + 512MB RAM + UltraSCSI HD + Solaris to run mozilla, right? :p
: Do not take it for grant with only the CPU speed. ;-)
In my test, the p3 machine had 128MB pc100 mem, 5400 or 7200rpm hd, win2k, while
Ultra10 had 512MB mem, scsi HD, solaris 2.7 (not sure). It is obvious that the
Ultra10 machine was at least twice the price of the pc. Running netscape 4.7 on
that pc was much faster too.
【在 T********r 的大作中提到】
: A P4 1GHz + 32MB RAM + 4200RPM HD + Win2k is definitely slower than an
: Ultra10 + 512MB RAM + UltraSCSI HD + Solaris to run mozilla, right? :p
: Do not take it for grant with only the CPU speed. ;-)
r*a
25 楼
Thus I really doubt if the overall system throughput of an ultra10 can surpass
that of a similarily configured pc server/workstation. Maybe there are 3 pieces
of reason that people choose Sun workstations:
1. Solaris is said to be stable, suitable for 24X7 tasks
2. Legacy apps
3. Cheap, tho much more expensive than linux pc workstations
【在 r**a 的大作中提到】
: hoho, your configuration is too BT! P4 1GHz with 32MB RAM, LOL!
: In my test, the p3 machine had 128MB pc100 mem, 5400 or 7200rpm hd, win2k, while
: Ultra10 had 512MB mem, scsi HD, solaris 2.7 (not sure). It is obvious that the
: Ultra10 machine was at least twice the price of the pc. Running netscape 4.7 on
: that pc was much faster too.
T*r
26 楼
No, my actual config is P4 1.6GHz + 256M RAM. I guess the slow HD is
the main reason that mozilla runs slower than the Ultra 10. In fact,
it's even slower than my PIII 450 desktop with exactly the same RAM
and same OS configuration!
【在 r**a 的大作中提到】
: hoho, your configuration is too BT! P4 1GHz with 32MB RAM, LOL!
: In my test, the p3 machine had 128MB pc100 mem, 5400 or 7200rpm hd, win2k, while
: Ultra10 had 512MB mem, scsi HD, solaris 2.7 (not sure). It is obvious that the
: Ultra10 machine was at least twice the price of the pc. Running netscape 4.7 on
: that pc was much faster too.
the main reason that mozilla runs slower than the Ultra 10. In fact,
it's even slower than my PIII 450 desktop with exactly the same RAM
and same OS configuration!
【在 r**a 的大作中提到】
: hoho, your configuration is too BT! P4 1GHz with 32MB RAM, LOL!
: In my test, the p3 machine had 128MB pc100 mem, 5400 or 7200rpm hd, win2k, while
: Ultra10 had 512MB mem, scsi HD, solaris 2.7 (not sure). It is obvious that the
: Ultra10 machine was at least twice the price of the pc. Running netscape 4.7 on
: that pc was much faster too.
n*t
27 楼
nod.sparc CPU is slow.
Anyway, a lot of service takes stable and IO as a primary concern.
If u do some numerical calculation, you will surely be disappointed.
【在 r**a 的大作中提到】
:
: Thus I really doubt if the overall system throughput of an ultra10 can surpass
: that of a similarily configured pc server/workstation. Maybe there are 3 pieces
: of reason that people choose Sun workstations:
: 1. Solaris is said to be stable, suitable for 24X7 tasks
: 2. Legacy apps
: 3. Cheap, tho much more expensive than linux pc workstations
Anyway, a lot of service takes stable and IO as a primary concern.
If u do some numerical calculation, you will surely be disappointed.
【在 r**a 的大作中提到】
:
: Thus I really doubt if the overall system throughput of an ultra10 can surpass
: that of a similarily configured pc server/workstation. Maybe there are 3 pieces
: of reason that people choose Sun workstations:
: 1. Solaris is said to be stable, suitable for 24X7 tasks
: 2. Legacy apps
: 3. Cheap, tho much more expensive than linux pc workstations
e*i
28 楼
I once got the root of a sun3000, I wanted to run John on it,
(I had hoped that it could give me some XXXX)
after test, I quitted. It is even slower than a PIII 733.
【在 n******t 的大作中提到】
: nod.sparc CPU is slow.
: Anyway, a lot of service takes stable and IO as a primary concern.
: If u do some numerical calculation, you will surely be disappointed.
(I had hoped that it could give me some XXXX)
after test, I quitted. It is even slower than a PIII 733.
【在 n******t 的大作中提到】
: nod.sparc CPU is slow.
: Anyway, a lot of service takes stable and IO as a primary concern.
: If u do some numerical calculation, you will surely be disappointed.
r*a
29 楼
In your last post you mentioned P4 1GHz with 32MB RAM, hehe!
I think the slow HD is the system performance bottleneck of notebooks with a
not too slow cpu and now too few mem
hoho, your machines is a notebook? It is obviously a waste of money to buy a
notebook with a high frequency cpu, LOL!
【在 T********r 的大作中提到】
: No, my actual config is P4 1.6GHz + 256M RAM. I guess the slow HD is
: the main reason that mozilla runs slower than the Ultra 10. In fact,
: it's even slower than my PIII 450 desktop with exactly the same RAM
: and same OS configuration!
r*a
30 楼
IMHO the stability of solaris is the primary concern, IO is not a problem at
all for PC workstations
【在 n******t 的大作中提到】
: nod.sparc CPU is slow.
: Anyway, a lot of service takes stable and IO as a primary concern.
: If u do some numerical calculation, you will surely be disappointed.
r*a
31 楼
unless u can afford a 7200rpm hd
【在 r**a 的大作中提到】
:
: IMHO the stability of solaris is the primary concern, IO is not a problem at
: all for PC workstations
T*r
32 楼
Right, just want to use an extreme case to show fast CPU does not means
high performance.
But it's not me who spent the money to buy it. My dept bought it for me,
an extra bonus for Ph.D student. ;-)
【在 r**a 的大作中提到】
:
: unless u can afford a 7200rpm hd
r*a
33 楼
I never said that fast CPU means high performance, hehe
With free stuff u cannot complain about it leh :-)
【在 T********r 的大作中提到】
:
: Right, just want to use an extreme case to show fast CPU does not means
: high performance.
: But it's not me who spent the money to buy it. My dept bought it for me,
: an extra bonus for Ph.D student. ;-)
r*a
34 楼
随便搞一个linux pc cluster就至少可以在计算能力超过sun的垃圾server了
一个服务器支持几十个人算很少的了,牛服务器都可以同时允许千人以上同时登录折磨之,
呵呵
【在 b**********i 的大作中提到】
: 以前一直用HPUX，最近换成SUN，发现SUN比较好，无论是速度还是稳定性，几十个人共用
: 一台SERVER，好象很轻松啊。PC 哪天能发展到这一步？
: 不过PC上网速度快多了，UNIX里面的NETSCAPE 实在象蜗牛。
n*t
35 楼
a lot sun stations are in fact used as small servers everywhere.
【在 r**a 的大作中提到】
:
: 随便搞一个linux pc cluster就至少可以在计算能力超过sun的垃圾server了
: 一个服务器支持几十个人算很少的了,牛服务器都可以同时允许千人以上同时登录折磨之,
: 呵呵
【在 r**a 的大作中提到】
:
: 随便搞一个linux pc cluster就至少可以在计算能力超过sun的垃圾server了
: 一个服务器支持几十个人算很少的了,牛服务器都可以同时允许千人以上同时登录折磨之,
: 呵呵
T*r
36 楼
The first time I used UNIX, it's a VAX with 8M RAM. Usually there
are 30-40 users to work on it. Hmm, with current CPU and 1GB RAM,
probably we should expect 4000-5000 users simultaneously. :-)
【在 r**a 的大作中提到】
:
: 随便搞一个linux pc cluster就至少可以在计算能力超过sun的垃圾server了
: 一个服务器支持几十个人算很少的了,牛服务器都可以同时允许千人以上同时登录折磨之,
: 呵呵
j*l
37 楼
Now days a decent UNIX server has 2G memory to one CPU ratio. IBM's UNIX can
have 512G memory
人共用
磨之,
【在 T********r 的大作中提到】
:
: The first time I used UNIX, it's a VAX with 8M RAM. Usually there
: are 30-40 users to work on it. Hmm, with current CPU and 1GB RAM,
: probably we should expect 4000-5000 users simultaneously. :-)
have 512G memory
人共用
磨之,
【在 T********r 的大作中提到】
:
: The first time I used UNIX, it's a VAX with 8M RAM. Usually there
: are 30-40 users to work on it. Hmm, with current CPU and 1GB RAM,
: probably we should expect 4000-5000 users simultaneously. :-)
r*a
38 楼
SUN is dying .......
【在 n******t 的大作中提到】
: a lot sun stations are in fact used as small servers everywhere.
r*a
39 楼
I think that VAX is at most comparable to a 386 as to its computing ability
ppl accustomed to powerful PCs won't be satisfied with the performance of this
server, hoho! 1GB ram is nothing, even for a personal desktop
【在 T********r 的大作中提到】
:
: The first time I used UNIX, it's a VAX with 8M RAM. Usually there
: are 30-40 users to work on it. Hmm, with current CPU and 1GB RAM,
: probably we should expect 4000-5000 users simultaneously. :-)
D*g
40 楼
Most of the memory is spent by the GUI. For a server, it's not a concern.
【在 r**a 的大作中提到】
:
: I think that VAX is at most comparable to a 386 as to its computing ability
: ppl accustomed to powerful PCs won't be satisfied with the performance of this
: server, hoho! 1GB ram is nothing, even for a personal desktop
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