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s*t
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飞车党追逐路虎车事件的来龙去脉已经很清楚了,大致过程如下:
1,飞车党试图封堵高速路,以便供其玩耍。99%的过往车辆虽然不满,但都忍了。
其中200个电话打到了911。警察没采取措施。
2,路虎车单个出来冒泡,不配合飞车党,不仅打911告发飞车党,还坚持在高速上
快速前行。与飞车党发生对峙或轻度冲突。
3,飞车党追逐并包围了路虎车,通过brake check的伎俩迫使路虎停车
4,飞车党开始毁坏路虎车,用刀扎坏了路虎车的轮胎。路虎车二度报警。
5,路虎车出于恐惧或愤怒或二者混合,突然加速冲出包围,将一名飞车党压成重伤
6,愤怒的飞车党全力追逐逃逸的路虎车,并寻找机会攻击路虎车,路虎车三度报警。
7,两个轮胎完全损坏的路虎车,最终被截停在了闹市区。飞车党开始从三面猛砸路虎
车。路虎车四度报警。警察出警了,但一时无法赶到。
8,路虎车司机被拉出车辆,遭飞车党群殴。更有飞车党成员将司机的妻子和孩子也拉
出车辆准备施暴。引起围观路人一片惊呼,大声喝止,保住了妻子和孩子的安全。
9,一名勇敢的路人,最终站出来挡住了飞车党。飞车党没敢进一步施暴,在警车出现
前,退却了。
10,路虎车司机被送进了医院,其面部和胸部被刀划伤。治疗后离开。被压飞车党成
员则重伤,在医院昏迷不醒。
11,一名飞车党将全过程的录像贴在了Youtube上,引起大量关注。
12,多名飞车党随后被抓或被盘问,竟发现其中有多名警察。
纵观全过程,警察的不作为是冲突愈演愈烈的一个原因,路虎男是否可以去状告纽约警
察?
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a*e
2
可以告。
纽约警察真实乌合之众,比摩托帮好不了多少
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S*T
3
纽约据说有几万警察,比很多小国的军队都多,但是看看纽约的治安还是跟屎一样,飞
车党可以在光天化日之下为所欲为。不过这也怪纽约人自己,选些脑残的政客上台。
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u*q
4
赞总结。感觉很全面加公正。

【在 s******t 的大作中提到】
: 飞车党追逐路虎车事件的来龙去脉已经很清楚了,大致过程如下:
: 1,飞车党试图封堵高速路,以便供其玩耍。99%的过往车辆虽然不满,但都忍了。
: 其中200个电话打到了911。警察没采取措施。
: 2,路虎车单个出来冒泡,不配合飞车党,不仅打911告发飞车党,还坚持在高速上
: 快速前行。与飞车党发生对峙或轻度冲突。
: 3,飞车党追逐并包围了路虎车,通过brake check的伎俩迫使路虎停车
: 4,飞车党开始毁坏路虎车,用刀扎坏了路虎车的轮胎。路虎车二度报警。
: 5,路虎车出于恐惧或愤怒或二者混合,突然加速冲出包围,将一名飞车党压成重伤
: 6,愤怒的飞车党全力追逐逃逸的路虎车,并寻找机会攻击路虎车,路虎车三度报警。
: 7,两个轮胎完全损坏的路虎车,最终被截停在了闹市区。飞车党开始从三面猛砸路虎

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a*w
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三万多,平均每10万人有将近200个警察。
全美平均是10万人256个。
中国平均120个,所以需要很多城管。

【在 S*******T 的大作中提到】
: 纽约据说有几万警察,比很多小国的军队都多,但是看看纽约的治安还是跟屎一样,飞
: 车党可以在光天化日之下为所欲为。不过这也怪纽约人自己,选些脑残的政客上台。

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S*T
6
找到一个链接
http://www.smartpolicinginitiative.com/library-and-multimedia-r
每一千个纽约人里面有4.35个警察,密度在全美大城市里排第九。

【在 a*w 的大作中提到】
: 三万多,平均每10万人有将近200个警察。
: 全美平均是10万人256个。
: 中国平均120个,所以需要很多城管。

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T*I
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我读到有两个警察。一个是卧底。一个不是卧底,是off duty。
卧底的貌似规定是允许不暴露身份的。
但是offduty那个应该干预。目前那个offduty在被internal affair调查中。

【在 s******t 的大作中提到】
: 飞车党追逐路虎车事件的来龙去脉已经很清楚了,大致过程如下:
: 1,飞车党试图封堵高速路,以便供其玩耍。99%的过往车辆虽然不满,但都忍了。
: 其中200个电话打到了911。警察没采取措施。
: 2,路虎车单个出来冒泡,不配合飞车党,不仅打911告发飞车党,还坚持在高速上
: 快速前行。与飞车党发生对峙或轻度冲突。
: 3,飞车党追逐并包围了路虎车,通过brake check的伎俩迫使路虎停车
: 4,飞车党开始毁坏路虎车,用刀扎坏了路虎车的轮胎。路虎车二度报警。
: 5,路虎车出于恐惧或愤怒或二者混合,突然加速冲出包围,将一名飞车党压成重伤
: 6,愤怒的飞车党全力追逐逃逸的路虎车,并寻找机会攻击路虎车,路虎车三度报警。
: 7,两个轮胎完全损坏的路虎车,最终被截停在了闹市区。飞车党开始从三面猛砸路虎

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l*6
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spt

【在 s******t 的大作中提到】
: 飞车党追逐路虎车事件的来龙去脉已经很清楚了,大致过程如下:
: 1,飞车党试图封堵高速路,以便供其玩耍。99%的过往车辆虽然不满,但都忍了。
: 其中200个电话打到了911。警察没采取措施。
: 2,路虎车单个出来冒泡,不配合飞车党,不仅打911告发飞车党,还坚持在高速上
: 快速前行。与飞车党发生对峙或轻度冲突。
: 3,飞车党追逐并包围了路虎车,通过brake check的伎俩迫使路虎停车
: 4,飞车党开始毁坏路虎车,用刀扎坏了路虎车的轮胎。路虎车二度报警。
: 5,路虎车出于恐惧或愤怒或二者混合,突然加速冲出包围,将一名飞车党压成重伤
: 6,愤怒的飞车党全力追逐逃逸的路虎车,并寻找机会攻击路虎车,路虎车三度报警。
: 7,两个轮胎完全损坏的路虎车,最终被截停在了闹市区。飞车党开始从三面猛砸路虎

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M*k
9
那个offduty是老黑吧。

【在 T*********I 的大作中提到】
: 我读到有两个警察。一个是卧底。一个不是卧底,是off duty。
: 卧底的貌似规定是允许不暴露身份的。
: 但是offduty那个应该干预。目前那个offduty在被internal affair调查中。

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s*t
10

听说至少三个, 一个卧底,两个off-duty
根据NYPD说法,卧底可以不暴露,但必须报警。这个卧底完全没报警,被查到后,赶紧
找了个律师过来。

【在 T*********I 的大作中提到】
: 我读到有两个警察。一个是卧底。一个不是卧底,是off duty。
: 卧底的貌似规定是允许不暴露身份的。
: 但是offduty那个应该干预。目前那个offduty在被internal affair调查中。

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j*l
11
那他不继续卧了?

【在 s******t 的大作中提到】
:
: 听说至少三个, 一个卧底,两个off-duty
: 根据NYPD说法,卧底可以不暴露,但必须报警。这个卧底完全没报警,被查到后,赶紧
: 找了个律师过来。

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L*1
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其实这些个警察下班之后就混黑社会,
值得大家关注。
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l*2
13
讨厌死这种biker,告吧。有一天在高速上竟然发现有个人跟我用一个车道并行,在盲
区,多长时间也不知道,换道就死菜菜了。
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y*d
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No, he can't, law enforcement's privilege.
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s*i
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告是可以告,但不要指望能稳赢。警察没有义务去保护人,特别是在有危险的情况下,
所以有危险时绝对不要指望警察来救人,自己手里的枪刀狗比他们可靠得多。这个案例
可以做为参考:
Warren v. District of Columbia
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x*9
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现在只有卧底那个表明看见打斗了
他不站出来可以理解
谁没看过无间道
其他两个如果不承认看见
比如他们说我光看见路虎撞人
后面我就没跟过去,不在现场
你一点办法也没有
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a*e
17
地确

【在 L**********1 的大作中提到】
: 其实这些个警察下班之后就混黑社会,
: 值得大家关注。

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a*e
18
卧底至少要报警吧,或者劝阻,很多方法可以不暴露。

【在 x*****9 的大作中提到】
: 现在只有卧底那个表明看见打斗了
: 他不站出来可以理解
: 谁没看过无间道
: 其他两个如果不承认看见
: 比如他们说我光看见路虎撞人
: 后面我就没跟过去,不在现场
: 你一点办法也没有

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p*y
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告!!!!!!!!!!
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C*e
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告到internal affair吧?不是搞到法院
如果被告的是当天值班的那批人/那个地区的小分队,大nypd说不定会处理那拨人不称
职什么的,如果以整个nypd为敌,胜算的把握有多少??
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d*d
21
good summary
other than like the facebook page, what else can we do to raise the
awareness and pressure NYPD and other regions?

【在 s******t 的大作中提到】
: 飞车党追逐路虎车事件的来龙去脉已经很清楚了,大致过程如下:
: 1,飞车党试图封堵高速路,以便供其玩耍。99%的过往车辆虽然不满,但都忍了。
: 其中200个电话打到了911。警察没采取措施。
: 2,路虎车单个出来冒泡,不配合飞车党,不仅打911告发飞车党,还坚持在高速上
: 快速前行。与飞车党发生对峙或轻度冲突。
: 3,飞车党追逐并包围了路虎车,通过brake check的伎俩迫使路虎停车
: 4,飞车党开始毁坏路虎车,用刀扎坏了路虎车的轮胎。路虎车二度报警。
: 5,路虎车出于恐惧或愤怒或二者混合,突然加速冲出包围,将一名飞车党压成重伤
: 6,愤怒的飞车党全力追逐逃逸的路虎车,并寻找机会攻击路虎车,路虎车三度报警。
: 7,两个轮胎完全损坏的路虎车,最终被截停在了闹市区。飞车党开始从三面猛砸路虎

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m*y
22
off duty的不作为,是不是会受到惩罚? 卧底就算了, 人家有特殊任务。
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l*e
23
觉的那个上youtube的才是真正的卧底,卧的都不行了,都要连锅端了

【在 T*********I 的大作中提到】
: 我读到有两个警察。一个是卧底。一个不是卧底,是off duty。
: 卧底的貌似规定是允许不暴露身份的。
: 但是offduty那个应该干预。目前那个offduty在被internal affair调查中。

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p*m
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200个电话打到了911
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l*u
25
飞车党被压的,不是昏迷不醒,而是被医院麻醉以防身体动弹,让断裂的骨头可以愈合
。Medically induced coma.

【在 s******t 的大作中提到】
: 飞车党追逐路虎车事件的来龙去脉已经很清楚了,大致过程如下:
: 1,飞车党试图封堵高速路,以便供其玩耍。99%的过往车辆虽然不满,但都忍了。
: 其中200个电话打到了911。警察没采取措施。
: 2,路虎车单个出来冒泡,不配合飞车党,不仅打911告发飞车党,还坚持在高速上
: 快速前行。与飞车党发生对峙或轻度冲突。
: 3,飞车党追逐并包围了路虎车,通过brake check的伎俩迫使路虎停车
: 4,飞车党开始毁坏路虎车,用刀扎坏了路虎车的轮胎。路虎车二度报警。
: 5,路虎车出于恐惧或愤怒或二者混合,突然加速冲出包围,将一名飞车党压成重伤
: 6,愤怒的飞车党全力追逐逃逸的路虎车,并寻找机会攻击路虎车,路虎车三度报警。
: 7,两个轮胎完全损坏的路虎车,最终被截停在了闹市区。飞车党开始从三面猛砸路虎

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s*h
27
纽约bad apple是长期品牌,对着爹告他家儿子。。。
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q*c
28
白痴民众deserve it.
美国国父把民主自由传下来,白痴退化的后代都不能保有

【在 S*******T 的大作中提到】
: 纽约据说有几万警察,比很多小国的军队都多,但是看看纽约的治安还是跟屎一样,飞
: 车党可以在光天化日之下为所欲为。不过这也怪纽约人自己,选些脑残的政客上台。

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j*8
29
just heard the news this morning that one of the off duty cop was one of the
thugs hitting the car windows during the attack, and he is being
investigated by nypd.

【在 s******t 的大作中提到】
: 飞车党追逐路虎车事件的来龙去脉已经很清楚了,大致过程如下:
: 1,飞车党试图封堵高速路,以便供其玩耍。99%的过往车辆虽然不满,但都忍了。
: 其中200个电话打到了911。警察没采取措施。
: 2,路虎车单个出来冒泡,不配合飞车党,不仅打911告发飞车党,还坚持在高速上
: 快速前行。与飞车党发生对峙或轻度冲突。
: 3,飞车党追逐并包围了路虎车,通过brake check的伎俩迫使路虎停车
: 4,飞车党开始毁坏路虎车,用刀扎坏了路虎车的轮胎。路虎车二度报警。
: 5,路虎车出于恐惧或愤怒或二者混合,突然加速冲出包围,将一名飞车党压成重伤
: 6,愤怒的飞车党全力追逐逃逸的路虎车,并寻找机会攻击路虎车,路虎车三度报警。
: 7,两个轮胎完全损坏的路虎车,最终被截停在了闹市区。飞车党开始从三面猛砸路虎

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p*e
30
怪不得这么嚣张

the

【在 j******8 的大作中提到】
: just heard the news this morning that one of the off duty cop was one of the
: thugs hitting the car windows during the attack, and he is being
: investigated by nypd.

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k*g
31
从1960年卧底到现在,摩托帮越来越壮大啊!
一旦警察们加薪要求失败,这个卧底就鼓动摩托帮上街啊。

【在 T*********I 的大作中提到】
: 我读到有两个警察。一个是卧底。一个不是卧底,是off duty。
: 卧底的貌似规定是允许不暴露身份的。
: 但是offduty那个应该干预。目前那个offduty在被internal affair调查中。

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s*t
32

the
被撞飞车党的律师说,他得到了一个是firefighter的biker的帮助,可见政府人员普遍
存于飞车党中。(20%?)

【在 j******8 的大作中提到】
: just heard the news this morning that one of the off duty cop was one of the
: thugs hitting the car windows during the attack, and he is being
: investigated by nypd.

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d*y
33
是黑社会下班了之后去警察局上班好不好?

【在 a******e 的大作中提到】
: 地确
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k*g
34
没必要去惹毛纽约警察,至今警察还是在Lien一边。
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g*7
35
今天早上CBS说拍录像的人看到路虎天窗扔了个瓶子出来.
11. 不是全程录像.路虎司机被打过程没有.

【在 s******t 的大作中提到】
: 飞车党追逐路虎车事件的来龙去脉已经很清楚了,大致过程如下:
: 1,飞车党试图封堵高速路,以便供其玩耍。99%的过往车辆虽然不满,但都忍了。
: 其中200个电话打到了911。警察没采取措施。
: 2,路虎车单个出来冒泡,不配合飞车党,不仅打911告发飞车党,还坚持在高速上
: 快速前行。与飞车党发生对峙或轻度冲突。
: 3,飞车党追逐并包围了路虎车,通过brake check的伎俩迫使路虎停车
: 4,飞车党开始毁坏路虎车,用刀扎坏了路虎车的轮胎。路虎车二度报警。
: 5,路虎车出于恐惧或愤怒或二者混合,突然加速冲出包围,将一名飞车党压成重伤
: 6,愤怒的飞车党全力追逐逃逸的路虎车,并寻找机会攻击路虎车,路虎车三度报警。
: 7,两个轮胎完全损坏的路虎车,最终被截停在了闹市区。飞车党开始从三面猛砸路虎

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m*4
36
给个链接呗.

【在 p*******m 的大作中提到】
: 200个电话打到了911
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b*g
37
要是告赢了,警察局长就会要求来增加纽约“人手不够的警力“,改善警察工作条件,
更好地维护治安。
美国人民就需要继续大掏腰包,交税,买这个单
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c*d
39
这不是人手不够是警察不作为……把那些跟飞车党起哄围观打砸抢的警察都fire掉就能
空出足够的职位来招新警察了。

【在 b*****g 的大作中提到】
: 要是告赢了,警察局长就会要求来增加纽约“人手不够的警力“,改善警察工作条件,
: 更好地维护治安。
: 美国人民就需要继续大掏腰包,交税,买这个单

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T*g
40
加州也紧跟其后

【在 q*c 的大作中提到】
: 白痴民众deserve it.
: 美国国父把民主自由传下来,白痴退化的后代都不能保有

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b*8
41
这种白痴谎言不要去信。 如果是这样他为什么不把完整的视频放出来,而只给了部分
视频。网上那些支持bikers的人花样百出来,试图找lien 的错。

【在 g******7 的大作中提到】
: 今天早上CBS说拍录像的人看到路虎天窗扔了个瓶子出来.
: 11. 不是全程录像.路虎司机被打过程没有.

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b*8
42
i have to disagree with you in many points for Lien's goodness. Many of
points you heard are just story made by bikers' supporters. Please beware!
1. there is no such video or proof shows that 路虎车单个出来冒泡,不配合飞车
党,不仅打911告发飞车党,还坚持在高速上.
2. please also note that news from cnn shows that his wife's voice were
shaking for all of the 911 calls. The couple had no intention to confront
with them. Remember they have a 2 years old daughter in the car. All they
want is to get out of the grave danger situation.
3. Lien was not angry. He was scary.
3.It is interesting to notice that when I look at cnn news comments about
Lien's case, among all 4000 comments, 99% of them support Lien and criticize
the bikers, however at mit many people even believe the rumors which is
unfavorable to Lien.

【在 s******t 的大作中提到】
: 飞车党追逐路虎车事件的来龙去脉已经很清楚了,大致过程如下:
: 1,飞车党试图封堵高速路,以便供其玩耍。99%的过往车辆虽然不满,但都忍了。
: 其中200个电话打到了911。警察没采取措施。
: 2,路虎车单个出来冒泡,不配合飞车党,不仅打911告发飞车党,还坚持在高速上
: 快速前行。与飞车党发生对峙或轻度冲突。
: 3,飞车党追逐并包围了路虎车,通过brake check的伎俩迫使路虎停车
: 4,飞车党开始毁坏路虎车,用刀扎坏了路虎车的轮胎。路虎车二度报警。
: 5,路虎车出于恐惧或愤怒或二者混合,突然加速冲出包围,将一名飞车党压成重伤
: 6,愤怒的飞车党全力追逐逃逸的路虎车,并寻找机会攻击路虎车,路虎车三度报警。
: 7,两个轮胎完全损坏的路虎车,最终被截停在了闹市区。飞车党开始从三面猛砸路虎

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h*n
43
美国没有警察不作为这个说法。实际上,美国的警察根本就没有一定要保护市民的义务
。这个判例已经在Warren VS. DC的案子里解释得很清楚了。
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_v._District_of_Columbia
Warren v. District of Columbia[1] (444 A.2d. 1, D.C. Ct. of Ap. 1981) is an
oft-quoted[2] District of Columbia Court of Appeals (equivalent to a state
supreme court) case that held police do not have a duty to provide police
services to individuals, even if a dispatcher promises help to be on the way
有些id动不动以“警察是professional,会保护我们的”为借口,说服自己普通人不需
要枪。问题是警察可不是这么想的。人家只不过糊口而已,连公务员都不是,凭什么为
你卖命啊。

【在 s******t 的大作中提到】
: 飞车党追逐路虎车事件的来龙去脉已经很清楚了,大致过程如下:
: 1,飞车党试图封堵高速路,以便供其玩耍。99%的过往车辆虽然不满,但都忍了。
: 其中200个电话打到了911。警察没采取措施。
: 2,路虎车单个出来冒泡,不配合飞车党,不仅打911告发飞车党,还坚持在高速上
: 快速前行。与飞车党发生对峙或轻度冲突。
: 3,飞车党追逐并包围了路虎车,通过brake check的伎俩迫使路虎停车
: 4,飞车党开始毁坏路虎车,用刀扎坏了路虎车的轮胎。路虎车二度报警。
: 5,路虎车出于恐惧或愤怒或二者混合,突然加速冲出包围,将一名飞车党压成重伤
: 6,愤怒的飞车党全力追逐逃逸的路虎车,并寻找机会攻击路虎车,路虎车三度报警。
: 7,两个轮胎完全损坏的路虎车,最终被截停在了闹市区。飞车党开始从三面猛砸路虎

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q*c
44
这说明美国人现在虽然堕落不配享有幸福, 但是现在的中国人更加不配享有幸福的生
活。
统计上, 人类这个物种真是低劣到这种地步。

【在 b*********8 的大作中提到】
: i have to disagree with you in many points for Lien's goodness. Many of
: points you heard are just story made by bikers' supporters. Please beware!
: 1. there is no such video or proof shows that 路虎车单个出来冒泡,不配合飞车
: 党,不仅打911告发飞车党,还坚持在高速上.
: 2. please also note that news from cnn shows that his wife's voice were
: shaking for all of the 911 calls. The couple had no intention to confront
: with them. Remember they have a 2 years old daughter in the car. All they
: want is to get out of the grave danger situation.
: 3. Lien was not angry. He was scary.
: 3.It is interesting to notice that when I look at cnn news comments about

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b*8
45
Please respect your kind.

【在 q*c 的大作中提到】
: 这说明美国人现在虽然堕落不配享有幸福, 但是现在的中国人更加不配享有幸福的生
: 活。
: 统计上, 人类这个物种真是低劣到这种地步。

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r*o
46
警匪一家,哪里都一样!
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s*t
47
我竟可能客观。
1) West Highway是纽约环城高速,我开过多次。白天,车很多,出入口也很多,出入
口之间的距离普遍较短,任何不想与飞车党对持的人,都可以容易的离开highway避让
,这也是多数人当天这样做的。所以,连与飞车党有冲突在先,被追逐再后,虽说是飞
车党的说法,但确非常合理的。
2) 连的妻子非常紧张,可以理解。但连却不同。从头到尾,即使车的轮胎坏了,连的
车开得都相当稳,相当直。包括被飞车党包围时。连最后下高速去闹市区的策略也很成
功,借助路人干预保住了妻儿不被伤害。考虑连的背景,他的心里素质是相当的好,判
断也好。不是一个会被吓得乱来的人。
综合上述两条,连确实有与飞车党争锋相对的态势,部分的利用了SUV作为武器。存在
有防卫过当的嫌疑。
最终案子如何走,看双方的证据了。民事官司基本跑不了。

【在 b*********8 的大作中提到】
: i have to disagree with you in many points for Lien's goodness. Many of
: points you heard are just story made by bikers' supporters. Please beware!
: 1. there is no such video or proof shows that 路虎车单个出来冒泡,不配合飞车
: 党,不仅打911告发飞车党,还坚持在高速上.
: 2. please also note that news from cnn shows that his wife's voice were
: shaking for all of the 911 calls. The couple had no intention to confront
: with them. Remember they have a 2 years old daughter in the car. All they
: want is to get out of the grave danger situation.
: 3. Lien was not angry. He was scary.
: 3.It is interesting to notice that when I look at cnn news comments about

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j*F
48
200个911电话,都不出警?这群警察可以去死了

【在 p*******m 的大作中提到】
: 200个电话打到了911
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L*P
49
所以,连与飞车党有冲突在先,被追逐再后
Yes, you can also say "飞车党与连有冲突在先,追逐再后"
No doubt that there was a conflict between 飞车党与连, but it is more
important to know who caused the conflict, 飞车党 or 连?
Sure, it is better to avoid a conflict at first, but don't assume it is
always possible to do so. 连 may wish to avoid it as well, but could not.

【在 s******t 的大作中提到】
: 我竟可能客观。
: 1) West Highway是纽约环城高速,我开过多次。白天,车很多,出入口也很多,出入
: 口之间的距离普遍较短,任何不想与飞车党对持的人,都可以容易的离开highway避让
: ,这也是多数人当天这样做的。所以,连与飞车党有冲突在先,被追逐再后,虽说是飞
: 车党的说法,但确非常合理的。
: 2) 连的妻子非常紧张,可以理解。但连却不同。从头到尾,即使车的轮胎坏了,连的
: 车开得都相当稳,相当直。包括被飞车党包围时。连最后下高速去闹市区的策略也很成
: 功,借助路人干预保住了妻儿不被伤害。考虑连的背景,他的心里素质是相当的好,判
: 断也好。不是一个会被吓得乱来的人。
: 综合上述两条,连确实有与飞车党争锋相对的态势,部分的利用了SUV作为武器。存在

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b*8
50
妻子都被吓成这样了,lien还跟他们争锋相对。That sounds like he was playing
his famiy's life just to confront the gang. 你觉得lien 会去冒这个险吗?任何
有点脑子的人都不会,何况他那么聪明的人。
他没有乱来,所做的一切只是为了保护妻子和女儿。

【在 s******t 的大作中提到】
: 我竟可能客观。
: 1) West Highway是纽约环城高速,我开过多次。白天,车很多,出入口也很多,出入
: 口之间的距离普遍较短,任何不想与飞车党对持的人,都可以容易的离开highway避让
: ,这也是多数人当天这样做的。所以,连与飞车党有冲突在先,被追逐再后,虽说是飞
: 车党的说法,但确非常合理的。
: 2) 连的妻子非常紧张,可以理解。但连却不同。从头到尾,即使车的轮胎坏了,连的
: 车开得都相当稳,相当直。包括被飞车党包围时。连最后下高速去闹市区的策略也很成
: 功,借助路人干预保住了妻儿不被伤害。考虑连的背景,他的心里素质是相当的好,判
: 断也好。不是一个会被吓得乱来的人。
: 综合上述两条,连确实有与飞车党争锋相对的态势,部分的利用了SUV作为武器。存在

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b*8
51
Couldn't agree with you more.

【在 L**P 的大作中提到】
: 所以,连与飞车党有冲突在先,被追逐再后
: Yes, you can also say "飞车党与连有冲突在先,追逐再后"
: No doubt that there was a conflict between 飞车党与连, but it is more
: important to know who caused the conflict, 飞车党 or 连?
: Sure, it is better to avoid a conflict at first, but don't assume it is
: always possible to do so. 连 may wish to avoid it as well, but could not.

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l*9
52
If you hit somebody you have to stop and call 911. If this guy hit a 1% bike
gang he should be dead right now.
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l*9
53
Watch the full video... The biker's were out of line, but so was the driver
and the driver started it. There is no law that says someone slowing down in
front of you, gives you the right to bump him out of the way...If there are
laws like this, road rage would have a whole new meaning. Now, after the
bump, the biker's got off to check on their friend...ONce they saw he was
okay, they were going back to their bikes (that's why Gloria Alright took
the case)...Because there was no threat until he ran over that guy and ran
away. Now, the biker's actions after that was clearly wrong and out of line,
but that should not wipe out the fact that the SUV driver made some
mistakes himself in provoking this whole thing.
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l*9
54
Gloria Allred on motorcycle victim involved in SUV swarm: "He did nothing
wrong...all he had done was get off his bike, go over and try to calm
everybody down"
Roughly a week since a wild, multi-vehicle incident along Manhattan's West
Side Highway served to enrage and horrify those that have watched the
various videos, on Monday evening "Piers Morgan Live" welcomed the wife of
one of the men involved, as well as his attorney, Gloria Allred.
Edwin Mieses is one of several motorcyclists who was hit by Alexian Lien's
Range Rover, and though he's been released from the ICU, he remains
paralyzed.
"Piers, Edwin is clearly a victim," explained Allred, who joined Piers
Morgan in his New York studio. "He [Lien] hit Edwin who is now crushed under
the SUV. He did that without any warning to Edwin. Edwin, by the way, was
doing nothing wrong. We've spoken to many, many people who were there. He
did nothing wrong. All he had done was get off his bike, go over and try to
calm everybody down."
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b*8
55
30 几条大汉围着他的车,还把他的车轮扎破,你认为no threat?我服了。他要不压他
们并开到市区去,很有可能就被打死在高速上了。

driver
in
are
line,

【在 l*****9 的大作中提到】
: Watch the full video... The biker's were out of line, but so was the driver
: and the driver started it. There is no law that says someone slowing down in
: front of you, gives you the right to bump him out of the way...If there are
: laws like this, road rage would have a whole new meaning. Now, after the
: bump, the biker's got off to check on their friend...ONce they saw he was
: okay, they were going back to their bikes (that's why Gloria Alright took
: the case)...Because there was no threat until he ran over that guy and ran
: away. Now, the biker's actions after that was clearly wrong and out of line,
: but that should not wipe out the fact that the SUV driver made some
: mistakes himself in provoking this whole thing.

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L*P
56
Yes, you rear ended somebody in fron of you, by default, it is your fault,
UNLESS you have evidence or witness to proove that the guy in front of you
did it intentionally and recklessly. That was shown on the video. The biker
made a SUDDEN slow down to almost a full stop. Lien could not avoid rear
ending him. He did not bump him with intention.
Lukcy that there was a video to proove this, otherwise, Lien is in much more
trouble.

driver
in
are
line,

【在 l*****9 的大作中提到】
: Watch the full video... The biker's were out of line, but so was the driver
: and the driver started it. There is no law that says someone slowing down in
: front of you, gives you the right to bump him out of the way...If there are
: laws like this, road rage would have a whole new meaning. Now, after the
: bump, the biker's got off to check on their friend...ONce they saw he was
: okay, they were going back to their bikes (that's why Gloria Alright took
: the case)...Because there was no threat until he ran over that guy and ran
: away. Now, the biker's actions after that was clearly wrong and out of line,
: but that should not wipe out the fact that the SUV driver made some
: mistakes himself in provoking this whole thing.

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s*e
57
BS

【在 s******t 的大作中提到】
: 我竟可能客观。
: 1) West Highway是纽约环城高速,我开过多次。白天,车很多,出入口也很多,出入
: 口之间的距离普遍较短,任何不想与飞车党对持的人,都可以容易的离开highway避让
: ,这也是多数人当天这样做的。所以,连与飞车党有冲突在先,被追逐再后,虽说是飞
: 车党的说法,但确非常合理的。
: 2) 连的妻子非常紧张,可以理解。但连却不同。从头到尾,即使车的轮胎坏了,连的
: 车开得都相当稳,相当直。包括被飞车党包围时。连最后下高速去闹市区的策略也很成
: 功,借助路人干预保住了妻儿不被伤害。考虑连的背景,他的心里素质是相当的好,判
: 断也好。不是一个会被吓得乱来的人。
: 综合上述两条,连确实有与飞车党争锋相对的态势,部分的利用了SUV作为武器。存在

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l*9
58
How hard the biker broke is hard to guess. But "The biker made a SUDDEN slow
down to almost a full stop" doesn't fit common sense.

biker
more

【在 L**P 的大作中提到】
: Yes, you rear ended somebody in fron of you, by default, it is your fault,
: UNLESS you have evidence or witness to proove that the guy in front of you
: did it intentionally and recklessly. That was shown on the video. The biker
: made a SUDDEN slow down to almost a full stop. Lien could not avoid rear
: ending him. He did not bump him with intention.
: Lukcy that there was a video to proove this, otherwise, Lien is in much more
: trouble.
:
: driver
: in

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b*8
59
Why the heck the biker goes in front of Lien's car and keep looking back?
You think his intention is out of goodness?
suv is driving at full speed. Who the heck the biker is trying to stop the
suv? he is a police? He is apparently making trouble.

slow

【在 l*****9 的大作中提到】
: How hard the biker broke is hard to guess. But "The biker made a SUDDEN slow
: down to almost a full stop" doesn't fit common sense.
:
: biker
: more

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l*9
60
It's called cut in & brake, the biker was a jerk. But it doesn't give Lien
the right to bump into the bike. The minute the bike was in front of the SUV
, Lien should have braked hard to safe distance BEFORE biker braked. Lien
was a bigger jerk.

【在 b*********8 的大作中提到】
: Why the heck the biker goes in front of Lien's car and keep looking back?
: You think his intention is out of goodness?
: suv is driving at full speed. Who the heck the biker is trying to stop the
: suv? he is a police? He is apparently making trouble.
:
: slow

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f*p
61
别扯了,逃命的关头,谁在车前面,都得压过去,压死活该呀!

SUV

【在 l*****9 的大作中提到】
: It's called cut in & brake, the biker was a jerk. But it doesn't give Lien
: the right to bump into the bike. The minute the bike was in front of the SUV
: , Lien should have braked hard to safe distance BEFORE biker braked. Lien
: was a bigger jerk.

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l*9
62
Lien's side needs to prove it was 逃命的关头

【在 f****p 的大作中提到】
: 别扯了,逃命的关头,谁在车前面,都得压过去,压死活该呀!
:
: SUV

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a*w
63
无罪推定,他无须自证其罪。对方需要举证那不是逃命的关头。

【在 l*****9 的大作中提到】
: Lien's side needs to prove it was 逃命的关头
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l*9
64
based on video evidence, after the bump, the biker's got off to check on
their friend...ONce they saw he was okay, they were going back to their
bikes (that's why Gloria Alright took the case)...Because there was no
threat until he ran over that guy and ran away.

【在 a*w 的大作中提到】
: 无罪推定,他无须自证其罪。对方需要举证那不是逃命的关头。
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a*w
65
只有官方摄制的视频才可以当证据,私人录像无效,甚至可能侵犯了
肖像权。

【在 l*****9 的大作中提到】
: based on video evidence, after the bump, the biker's got off to check on
: their friend...ONce they saw he was okay, they were going back to their
: bikes (that's why Gloria Alright took the case)...Because there was no
: threat until he ran over that guy and ran away.

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l*9
66
you are not the judge

【在 a*w 的大作中提到】
: 只有官方摄制的视频才可以当证据,私人录像无效,甚至可能侵犯了
: 肖像权。

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Y*P
67
还有这样的sb在给biker洗地,真是服了

【在 l*****9 的大作中提到】
: based on video evidence, after the bump, the biker's got off to check on
: their friend...ONce they saw he was okay, they were going back to their
: bikes (that's why Gloria Alright took the case)...Because there was no
: threat until he ran over that guy and ran away.

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l*9
68
you are afraid of facts, SB

【在 Y*P 的大作中提到】
: 还有这样的sb在给biker洗地,真是服了
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s*t
69

我是这样看的,飞车党从一开始就是错的,这些人确实很无赖。但是,作为一个有家室
的男人,首先考虑避免冲突,而不是激化冲突,因为我们这样的人,确实没有本钱和流
氓直接冲突。
我有两个中学同学,一个以运动健将身份保送上了北大,另一个考上了清华,并读到了
博士。这两个人都很优秀,但都比较气盛。悲惨的是,最后两人都在与流氓冲突中,被
打成了严重脑震荡,智力体力和心理都严重受损,被大学纷纷辞退。一生就这样被毁了。
看连的行为,我看到了我这两位同学的影子。
飞车党是连警察都敢玩的人,要是没有录像和路人帮助,连和全家会很惨很惨。
连的行为有值得推敲的地方,

【在 b*********8 的大作中提到】
: 妻子都被吓成这样了,lien还跟他们争锋相对。That sounds like he was playing
: his famiy's life just to confront the gang. 你觉得lien 会去冒这个险吗?任何
: 有点脑子的人都不会,何况他那么聪明的人。
: 他没有乱来,所做的一切只是为了保护妻子和女儿。

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h*g
70
说得好。纽约的警察的确的负责,毫无作为,这不是这帮匪徒第一次这样了。

【在 u****q 的大作中提到】
: 赞总结。感觉很全面加公正。
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b*8
71
Why do you think the gang don't give out the whole video? It's because they
want to cover the truth that is unfavorable to them, then they can make
whatever story they like. people will be stupid enough to believe their
story without seeing whole video.

【在 l*****9 的大作中提到】
: based on video evidence, after the bump, the biker's got off to check on
: their friend...ONce they saw he was okay, they were going back to their
: bikes (that's why Gloria Alright took the case)...Because there was no
: threat until he ran over that guy and ran away.

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b*8
72
Give the whole video if they/you are not afraid of the facts.

【在 l*****9 的大作中提到】
: you are afraid of facts, SB
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l*9
73
Video showed some bikers were getting back to their bikes and about to
resume riding, THEN RR pummeled out

they

【在 b*********8 的大作中提到】
: Why do you think the gang don't give out the whole video? It's because they
: want to cover the truth that is unfavorable to them, then they can make
: whatever story they like. people will be stupid enough to believe their
: story without seeing whole video.

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h*g
74
GFUS!

SUV

【在 l*****9 的大作中提到】
: It's called cut in & brake, the biker was a jerk. But it doesn't give Lien
: the right to bump into the bike. The minute the bike was in front of the SUV
: , Lien should have braked hard to safe distance BEFORE biker braked. Lien
: was a bigger jerk.

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b*8
75
Please note the video everybody see is only part of the whole. The gang did
not give out the whole video.

【在 l*****9 的大作中提到】
: Video showed some bikers were getting back to their bikes and about to
: resume riding, THEN RR pummeled out
:
: they

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L*P
76
Some bikers were leaving, OK, but So what?
What matters at that moment is
other bikers are physically threatening Lien and his family. Anyone with a
reasonable mind will try to escape.
According to NY times, during the first stop after the accident, one biker
broke the car's side mirror, others were denting his car, and another
slashed a tire with a knife.
Sure, you can argue this is what NY times said, not evidence.

【在 l*****9 的大作中提到】
: Video showed some bikers were getting back to their bikes and about to
: resume riding, THEN RR pummeled out
:
: they

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Y*P
77
not afraid, but tired. tired of the "fact" you sb made up.
you can choose to wait to be beaten up and raped to death, but don't act
like a sb trying to convince other.

【在 l*****9 的大作中提到】
: you are afraid of facts, SB
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q*c
78
respect 不表明不尊重事实。
我要是黑人也要说我们黑人现在这状况值得被种猪灭亡。
现在美国的几乎所有问题, 都是“美好的感受” 凌驾与事实之上。
很快就要在自然规律的铁血面前苦逼坑爹。

【在 b*********8 的大作中提到】
: Please respect your kind.
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q*c
79
"任何不想与飞车党对持的人", "连与飞车党有冲突在先"
这他妈的路是大家的, 你无端封路, 这是危害公共安全, 我觉得可以就地枪决。
现在怎么明明是正常人, 同情匪徒的人这么多? 人类真要灭亡,天数真的变了嘛?

【在 s******t 的大作中提到】
: 我竟可能客观。
: 1) West Highway是纽约环城高速,我开过多次。白天,车很多,出入口也很多,出入
: 口之间的距离普遍较短,任何不想与飞车党对持的人,都可以容易的离开highway避让
: ,这也是多数人当天这样做的。所以,连与飞车党有冲突在先,被追逐再后,虽说是飞
: 车党的说法,但确非常合理的。
: 2) 连的妻子非常紧张,可以理解。但连却不同。从头到尾,即使车的轮胎坏了,连的
: 车开得都相当稳,相当直。包括被飞车党包围时。连最后下高速去闹市区的策略也很成
: 功,借助路人干预保住了妻儿不被伤害。考虑连的背景,他的心里素质是相当的好,判
: 断也好。不是一个会被吓得乱来的人。
: 综合上述两条,连确实有与飞车党争锋相对的态势,部分的利用了SUV作为武器。存在

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a*4
80
路虎哥不但冒泡, 泡冒的还挺大, 他在第一次被截停之前与之后, 多次按喇叭表示抗议
, 英雄之举让人佩服.

【在 b*********8 的大作中提到】
: i have to disagree with you in many points for Lien's goodness. Many of
: points you heard are just story made by bikers' supporters. Please beware!
: 1. there is no such video or proof shows that 路虎车单个出来冒泡,不配合飞车
: 党,不仅打911告发飞车党,还坚持在高速上.
: 2. please also note that news from cnn shows that his wife's voice were
: shaking for all of the 911 calls. The couple had no intention to confront
: with them. Remember they have a 2 years old daughter in the car. All they
: want is to get out of the grave danger situation.
: 3. Lien was not angry. He was scary.
: 3.It is interesting to notice that when I look at cnn news comments about

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q*c
81
没有上亿上亿的傻逼, 美国这过去伟大的国家咋灭亡呢。

they

【在 b*********8 的大作中提到】
: Why do you think the gang don't give out the whole video? It's because they
: want to cover the truth that is unfavorable to them, then they can make
: whatever story they like. people will be stupid enough to believe their
: story without seeing whole video.

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F*e
82
you can always sue someone
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b*8
83
So what. Those gang deserved to be run over.

【在 a****4 的大作中提到】
: 路虎哥不但冒泡, 泡冒的还挺大, 他在第一次被截停之前与之后, 多次按喇叭表示抗议
: , 英雄之举让人佩服.

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H*3
84
摩托和SUV的加速度根本不在一个量级好不好?你读书读傻了吗?

SUV

【在 l*****9 的大作中提到】
: It's called cut in & brake, the biker was a jerk. But it doesn't give Lien
: the right to bump into the bike. The minute the bike was in front of the SUV
: , Lien should have braked hard to safe distance BEFORE biker braked. Lien
: was a bigger jerk.

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h*g
85
Don't waste time with this SB. He should go live with those thugs, see if he
can come back in one piece.

【在 L**P 的大作中提到】
: Some bikers were leaving, OK, but So what?
: What matters at that moment is
: other bikers are physically threatening Lien and his family. Anyone with a
: reasonable mind will try to escape.
: According to NY times, during the first stop after the accident, one biker
: broke the car's side mirror, others were denting his car, and another
: slashed a tire with a knife.
: Sure, you can argue this is what NY times said, not evidence.

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B*a
86
那个卧底已经被起诉了,他也参与了袭击。真是警匪一家啊!

★ 发自iPhone App: ChineseWeb 7.8

【在 T*********I 的大作中提到】
: 我读到有两个警察。一个是卧底。一个不是卧底,是off duty。
: 卧底的貌似规定是允许不暴露身份的。
: 但是offduty那个应该干预。目前那个offduty在被internal affair调查中。

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B*a
87
别傻逼了,这个卧底也参与了袭击,已经被起诉了。

★ 发自iPhone App: ChineseWeb 7.8

【在 x*****9 的大作中提到】
: 现在只有卧底那个表明看见打斗了
: 他不站出来可以理解
: 谁没看过无间道
: 其他两个如果不承认看见
: 比如他们说我光看见路虎撞人
: 后面我就没跟过去,不在现场
: 你一点办法也没有

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m*8
88
总结的不错
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s*e
89

---尽,不是竟
---你看过录像没有?前后左右全有摩托车,连在中间车道怎么下高速?
---别傻逼装纽约人好不?连最后走的路只有两个方向,要么上桥去新泽西,要么去纽
约。根本不存在去市区的问题。而且去闹市区是应该右转到broadway,而不是开到
178th street.再说一遍,正确做法是上桥,桥上有警察。

【在 s******t 的大作中提到】
: 我竟可能客观。
: 1) West Highway是纽约环城高速,我开过多次。白天,车很多,出入口也很多,出入
: 口之间的距离普遍较短,任何不想与飞车党对持的人,都可以容易的离开highway避让
: ,这也是多数人当天这样做的。所以,连与飞车党有冲突在先,被追逐再后,虽说是飞
: 车党的说法,但确非常合理的。
: 2) 连的妻子非常紧张,可以理解。但连却不同。从头到尾,即使车的轮胎坏了,连的
: 车开得都相当稳,相当直。包括被飞车党包围时。连最后下高速去闹市区的策略也很成
: 功,借助路人干预保住了妻儿不被伤害。考虑连的背景,他的心里素质是相当的好,判
: 断也好。不是一个会被吓得乱来的人。
: 综合上述两条,连确实有与飞车党争锋相对的态势,部分的利用了SUV作为武器。存在

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x*u
90
当然可以。 你想告谁都可以(民事)。
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q*c
91
多看看这个人的文, 装傻那是没法治疗的, 只能将来报应来了, 刀子进肉的时候,
才能醒悟。

【在 H***3 的大作中提到】
: 摩托和SUV的加速度根本不在一个量级好不好?你读书读傻了吗?
:
: SUV

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s*t
92
目前有六名警察涉案:
据美国《世界日报》报道,美国又有一名警察涉及飞车党围殴华人男子艾利先‧
连(Alexian Lien)!服务于纽约市警内务调查处(Internal Affairs Bureau)的28岁警
察Matthew Rodriguez在案发一周半后,悄悄回到警局向主管坦承他也是当日飞车党的
一员,让主管大吃一惊。他是继探员Samir Gonsalves及布拉济斯科(Wojciech
Braszczok)后第三位涉案的警察。据悉,共有六名警察涉案,目前内务调查处仍继续调
查其他三名未曝光的涉案警察;市警局也继续调查 Rodrigues及Gonsalves是否有加入
斗殴之列。
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内务调查处正在调查涉案警察。根据DNAinfo报导,任职于内务调查处的
Rodrigues近期才从布朗士搬家至上州,邻居都知道他是摩托车爱好者,最近还跟邻居
分享妻子不喜欢摩托车、考虑要把车卖掉等摩托车话题。 Rodrigues虽与飞车党一同骑
车,但目前尚不确定是否加入攻击艾利先‧连的行列,因此警方迄未决定是否要
将Rodrigues留在警局处置或是直接送上法庭。Rodrigues的律师Pat Bonanno指称,他
没被发现有任何不法行为,目前仍在内务调查处全职工作。
34岁的警员 Gonsalves也是飞车党之一,他近日因另一起与警察争执的案件被捕,
针对此案件,他宣称自己没目击到飞车党围殴艾利先‧连,警局仍在调查是否属
实。32岁的布拉济斯科因出现在围殴的照片中、并有录像证实他参与击打车辆而面临严
厉指控,以15万元保释候审,被控一级攻击罪、一级帮派攻击罪和三级刑事破坏罪三项
罪名,最高面临五年监禁。(许雅钧)

【在 s******t 的大作中提到】
: 飞车党追逐路虎车事件的来龙去脉已经很清楚了,大致过程如下:
: 1,飞车党试图封堵高速路,以便供其玩耍。99%的过往车辆虽然不满,但都忍了。
: 其中200个电话打到了911。警察没采取措施。
: 2,路虎车单个出来冒泡,不配合飞车党,不仅打911告发飞车党,还坚持在高速上
: 快速前行。与飞车党发生对峙或轻度冲突。
: 3,飞车党追逐并包围了路虎车,通过brake check的伎俩迫使路虎停车
: 4,飞车党开始毁坏路虎车,用刀扎坏了路虎车的轮胎。路虎车二度报警。
: 5,路虎车出于恐惧或愤怒或二者混合,突然加速冲出包围,将一名飞车党压成重伤
: 6,愤怒的飞车党全力追逐逃逸的路虎车,并寻找机会攻击路虎车,路虎车三度报警。
: 7,两个轮胎完全损坏的路虎车,最终被截停在了闹市区。飞车党开始从三面猛砸路虎

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g*7
93
scared, not scary.

【在 b*********8 的大作中提到】
: So what. Those gang deserved to be run over.
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