标 题: 基佬人渣不要到处搅屎 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sat Jan 3 23:03:49 2015, 美东) 在妄想症的问题上,你已经出尽了白痴相。你的所谓“质疑”一开始就表明了你的无知。 『妄想症的妄想是怪诞性的?还是非怪诞性的?逻辑混乱不混乱?』 微镜回答你:“妄想症的妄想是怪诞性的?还是非怪诞性的?”。对这个问题的回答可 以即肯定又否定,都是正确的。你不同意,说他信口雌黄。然后你表明了你的见解: 『妄想症的妄想是非怪诞性的,否则就不能做妄想症的诊断,这是妄想症的妄想与精神 分裂症的妄想的区别, 不存在“可以即肯定又否定,都是正确的”的答案。』 你为你的见解提供了“科学依据”如下: Delusional disorder is an illness characterized by the presence of nonbizarre delusions in the absence of other mood or psychotic symptoms. In contrast, bizarre delusions, which represent the manifestations of more severe types of psychotic illnesses (eg, schizophrenia) "are clearly implausible, not understandable, and not derived from ordinary life experiences" (APA, 2000). http://www.med.uokufa.edu.iq/dr/arfat/lectures/Delusional%20Dis 你的科学依据还有, Delusional disorder is characterized by the presence of recurrent, persistent non-bizarre delusions . http://www.minddisorders.com/Br-Del/Delusional-disorder.html#ix 可惜你从股沟里找到的鸡毛都是过时的知识。根据DMS-5的诊断标准,妄想症的妄想既 可以是非怪诞的,也可以是怪诞的。而不是如你所以为的一定要是非怪诞的。怪诞妄想 可以出现在精神分裂症也可以出现在妄想症。 Delusional disorder is characterized by the presence of either bizarre or non-bizarre delusions which have persisted for at least one month. http://psychcentral.com/disorders/delusional-disorder-symptoms/ 下面还有DMS-5的官方解释,DMS-5 妄想症的诊断与旧版相比发生了改变: Delusional Disorder Criterion A for delusional disorder no longer has the requirement that the delusions must be nonbizarre. DSM-5 no longer separates delusional disorder from shared delusional disorder. Highlights of Changes from DSM-IV-TR to DSM-5 www.dsm5.org/.../changes%20from%20dsm-iv-tr%20to%20dsm 尼罗河的见解符合DMS-5诊断标准。妄想症的妄想有怪诞的,有非怪诞的。不管是怪诞 还是非怪诞,都是荒谬的,或者内在逻辑混乱,或者前提错误。妄想症的妄想与精神分 裂的妄想没有区别。 基佬人渣继续坚持你的观点: 『病人的症状有荒谬性(bizarre delusions),内在逻辑混乱(Disorganized thinking),这就不是妄想症了,是精神分裂症。妄想症病人的思维结构有层次,条理 分明,逻辑性并不混乱。』 基佬人渣的观点大家都知道了。尼罗河的观点大家也都知道了。本人并不在意你的观点 如何,相信也没有人会要求你改正错误见解。你捏造nile“7.5mg 10分钟就会急性中毒 ”,“副交感兴奋皮肤动脉扩张”,也只能使枉费心机,改变不了朱令案黑帮基佬人渣 犯罪集团见光死的命运。 从此之后如果你继续死缠烂打,这个帖子就是我尼罗河对你的标准回答。愿意顶尼罗河 的帖子,没人拦你。只是给你一个规劝。不要再用你的搅屎棒搞什么学术问题。要搅屎 去找你的心肝宝“贝”,不行就去找头公猪吧。
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标 题: 基佬人渣不要到处搅屎 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sat Jan 3 23:03:49 2015, 美东) 在妄想症的问题上,你已经出尽了白痴相。你的所谓“质疑”一开始就表明了你的无知。 『妄想症的妄想是怪诞性的?还是非怪诞性的?逻辑混乱不混乱?』 微镜回答你:“妄想症的妄想是怪诞性的?还是非怪诞性的?”。对这个问题的回答可 以即肯定又否定,都是正确的。你不同意,说他信口雌黄。然后你表明了你的见解: 『妄想症的妄想是非怪诞性的,否则就不能做妄想症的诊断,这是妄想症的妄想与精神 分裂症的妄想的区别, 不存在“可以即肯定又否定,都是正确的”的答案。』 你为你的见解提供了“科学依据”如下: Delusional disorder is an illness characterized by the presence of nonbizarre delusions in the absence of other mood or psychotic symptoms. In contrast, bizarre delusions, which represent the manifestations of more severe types of psychotic illnesses (eg, schizophrenia) "are clearly implausible, not understandable, and not derived from ordinary life experiences" (APA, 2000). http://www.med.uokufa.edu.iq/dr/arfat/lectures/Delusional%20Dis 你的科学依据还有, Delusional disorder is characterized by the presence of recurrent, persistent non-bizarre delusions . http://www.minddisorders.com/Br-Del/Delusional-disorder.html#ix 可惜你从股沟里找到的鸡毛都是过时的知识。根据DMS-5的诊断标准,妄想症的妄想既 可以是非怪诞的,也可以是怪诞的。而不是如你所以为的一定要是非怪诞的。怪诞妄想 可以出现在精神分裂症也可以出现在妄想症。 Delusional disorder is characterized by the presence of either bizarre or non-bizarre delusions which have persisted for at least one month. http://psychcentral.com/disorders/delusional-disorder-symptoms/ 下面还有DMS-5的官方解释,DMS-5 妄想症的诊断与旧版相比发生了改变: Delusional Disorder Criterion A for delusional disorder no longer has the requirement that the delusions must be nonbizarre. DSM-5 no longer separates delusional disorder from shared delusional disorder. Highlights of Changes from DSM-IV-TR to DSM-5 www.dsm5.org/.../changes%20from%20dsm-iv-tr%20to%20dsm 尼罗河的见解符合DMS-5诊断标准。妄想症的妄想有怪诞的,有非怪诞的。不管是怪诞 还是非怪诞,都是荒谬的,或者内在逻辑混乱,或者前提错误。妄想症的妄想与精神分 裂的妄想没有区别。 基佬人渣继续坚持你的观点: 『病人的症状有荒谬性(bizarre delusions),内在逻辑混乱(Disorganized thinking),这就不是妄想症了,是精神分裂症。妄想症病人的思维结构有层次,条理 分明,逻辑性并不混乱。』 基佬人渣的观点大家都知道了。尼罗河的观点大家也都知道了。本人并不在意你的观点 如何,相信也没有人会要求你改正错误见解。你捏造nile“7.5mg 10分钟就会急性中毒 ”,“副交感兴奋皮肤动脉扩张”,也只能使枉费心机,改变不了朱令案黑帮基佬人渣 犯罪集团见光死的命运。 从此之后如果你继续死缠烂打,这个帖子就是我尼罗河对你的标准回答。愿意顶尼罗河 的帖子,没人拦你。只是给你一个规劝。不要再用你的搅屎棒搞什么学术问题。要搅屎 去找你的心肝宝“贝”,不行就去找头公猪吧。
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你丫的连DSM-5的有关文献都看不懂,连bizarre delusions,nonbizarre delusions的定 义,什么叫逻辑混乱都没有弄明白,以及对逻辑混乱在妄想症和精神分裂症的诊断中的 意义也不清楚,还有什么能力争论妄想症诊断? I, nile对DSM-5定义的bizarre delusions,nonbizarre delusions的理解让人不知其所云。 nile对bizarre delusions,nonbizarre delusions的理解: bizarre delusions就是nile所谓内在逻辑混乱:Delusions are deemed bizarre if they are clearly implausible, not understandable, and not derived from ordinary life experiences。注意这两个关键词:不合理implausible,不可理解not understandable。 而non-bizarre delusions相当于nile所说的前提错误,如果接受前提为真,患者并没 有内在逻辑的混乱。 但是患者的前提经不起第三者查证。即使在反对证据面前,患者 也不会改变观念。Non-bizarre delusions typically are beliefs of something occurring in a person’s life which is not out of the realm of possibility. All of these situations could be true or possible, but the person suffering from this disorder knows them not to be (e.g., through fact-checking, third -person confirmation, etc.). http://www.unknownspace.org/article_t/WaterWorld/2567355.html II, nile不懂什么叫逻辑混乱,以及逻辑混乱在DSM-5妄想症和精神分裂症的诊断中的意义: http://www.unknownspace.org/article_t/WaterWorld/2567509.html Nile的原话: 妄想症,有两个典型的特征。第一是荒谬性。或者内在逻辑混乱,或者前提错误。 http://www.unknownspace.org/article_t/WaterWorld/2562189.html 本人给nile的问话: 妄想症的妄想是怪诞性的?还是非怪诞性的?逻辑混乱不混乱? http://www.unknownspace.org/article_t/WaterWorld/2566381.html 1),荒谬性,nile应该是指bizarre delusions。 2),妄想(delusion)是什么? 妄想是一种不理性、与现实不符且不可能实现但坚信的错误信念。 妄想不是逻辑。 再看看怪诞性妄想(bizarre delusions)是怎么定义的? bizarre delusions are clearly implausible, not understandable, and not derived from ordinary life experiences。这句话的意思是,怪诞性妄想是显然不可 信的,不可理解的,非源自平凡的人生经历的妄想。这句话根本就不是指逻辑混乱。 可是,到了Nile的嘴里就变成了:“bizarre delusions就是nile所谓内在逻辑混乱”。 http://www.unknownspace.org/article_t/WaterWorld/2567355.html bizarre delusions是内在逻辑混乱吗? 3),什么是内在逻辑混乱? 逻辑是指什么?逻辑源自古典希腊语 (logos),最初的意思是“词语”或“言语”,引 申意思是“思维(thinking)”、“推理(reasoning)”。逻辑混乱是指思维的杂乱 无章(Disorganized thinking);通过交谈,这种思维的杂乱无章(Disorganized thinking)表达出来(给医生)的是语言的杂乱无章(disorganized speech)。 再回头看看DSM-5妄想症的具体诊断标准。 DSM-5的妄想症具体诊断标准有一条,就是“不符合精神分裂症的诊断标准A”。 精神分裂症的诊断标准A包括有: 如果病人表现有bizarre delusions,再加上Disorganized thinking(each present for a significant portion of time during a 1-month period (or less if successfully treated))就要诊断为精神分裂症。 这里,DSM-5强调了Disorganized thinking、disorganized speech是精神分裂症的诊 断标准之一和对妄想症诊断的排除。 显然, 当你nile说病人的症状有荒谬性(bizarre delusions),内在逻辑混乱( Disorganized thinking)时,这就不是妄想症了,是精神分裂症。 妄想症病人的思维结构有层次,条理分明,逻辑性并不混乱。 III, DSM-5的妄想症诊断标准: Specific Diagnostic Criteria 1. Delusions lasting for at least 1 month’s duration. 2. Criterion A for Schizophrenia has never been met. Note: Tactile and olfactory hallucinations may be present in Delusional Disorder if they are related to the delusional theme.Criterion A of Schizophrenia requires two ( or more) of the following, each present for a significant portion of time during a 1-month period (or less if successfully treated): 1. delusions 2. hallucinations 3. disorganized speech (e.g., frequent derailment or incoherence) 4. grossly disorganized or catatonic behavior 5. negative symptoms, i.e., affective flattening, alogia, or avolition Note: Criteria A of Schizophrenia requires only one symptom if delusions are bizarre or hallucinations consist of a voice keeping up a running commentary on the person’s behavior or thoughts, or two or more voices conversing with each other. 3. Apart from the impact of the delusion(s) or its ramifications, functioning is not markedly impaired and behavior is not obviously odd or bizarre. 4. If mood episodes have occurred concurrently with delusions, their total duration has been brief relative to the duration of the delusional periods. 5. The disturbance is not due to the direct physiological effects of a substance (e.g., a drug of abuse, a medication) or a general medical condition. http://psychcentral.com/disorders/delusional-disorder-symptoms/ DSM-5的精神分裂症诊断标准: Schizophrenia is a mental disorder that is characterized by at least 2 of the following symptoms, for at least one month: • Delusions • Hallucinations • Disorganized speech (e.g., frequent derailment or incoherence) • Grossly disorganized or catatonic behavior • A set of three negative symptoms (a “flattening” of one’s emotions, alogia, avolition; see below) Only one of the above symptoms is required to make the diagnosis of schizophrenia if the person’s delusions are bizarre or if the hallucinations consist of a voice keeping up a running commentary on the person’s behavior or thoughts, or two or more voices conversing with each other. Positive Symptoms • Delusions • Hallucinations • Disorganized thinking • Agitation Negative Symptoms • Affective flattening- The person’s range of emotional expression is clearly diminished; poor eye contract; reduced body language • Alogia- A poverty of speech, such as brief, empty replies • Avolition – Inability to initiate and persist in goal-directed activities (such as school or work) Although the above symptoms must be present for at least one (1) month, there also needs to be continuous signs of the disturbance that persist for at least six (6) months. During this period, the signs of the disorder may be present in a milder form, for instance as just odd beliefs or unusual perceptual experiences. During this 6 month period, at least two of the above criteria must be met, or only the criteria of Negative Symptoms must be present — if even just in milder form. http://psychcentral.com/disorders/schizophrenia-symptoms/
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【在 n**e 的大作中提到】 : 标 题: 基佬人渣不要到处搅屎 : 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sat Jan 3 23:03:49 2015, 美东) : 在妄想症的问题上,你已经出尽了白痴相。你的所谓“质疑”一开始就表明了你的无知。 : 『妄想症的妄想是怪诞性的?还是非怪诞性的?逻辑混乱不混乱?』 : 微镜回答你:“妄想症的妄想是怪诞性的?还是非怪诞性的?”。对这个问题的回答可 : 以即肯定又否定,都是正确的。你不同意,说他信口雌黄。然后你表明了你的见解: : 『妄想症的妄想是非怪诞性的,否则就不能做妄想症的诊断,这是妄想症的妄想与精神 : 分裂症的妄想的区别, 不存在“可以即肯定又否定,都是正确的”的答案。』 : 你为你的见解提供了“科学依据”如下: : Delusional disorder is an illness characterized by the presence of
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nile, 你丫的, 附录1就是你查到DSM-5关于抑郁症的诊断标准?连个正确的资料都 不会引用,真你妈的蠢到家了。 你丫搞明白depression的类型分类了吗?再看看Psychotic depression、Bipolar I Disorder是否可有Delusions? 读读妄想症的诊断标准,再读读这段话: Criteria A of Schizophrenia requires only one symptom if delusions are bizarre or hallucinations consist of a voice keeping up a running commentary on the person’s behavior or thoughts, or two or more voices conversing with each other. http://psychcentral.com/disorders/delusional-disorder- symptoms 丫的,你他妈的又丢人现眼。