r*i
2 楼
现在不在美国,怎么办?
l*e
3 楼
H1B去年十月份才开始工作,之前不在美国工作学习。老婆10月份H4一起来的。所以两
个人都算non-resident,这种情况下可不可以married file jointly ? 还是说必须选
married file seperately ? 如果必须分开报的话,是不是就我自己报就可以了,还需
要给老婆申请ITIN吗 ?老婆在美国没收入,就没她什么事儿了 ?
谢谢!
个人都算non-resident,这种情况下可不可以married file jointly ? 还是说必须选
married file seperately ? 如果必须分开报的话,是不是就我自己报就可以了,还需
要给老婆申请ITIN吗 ?老婆在美国没收入,就没她什么事儿了 ?
谢谢!
y*1
4 楼
现在的工作不能帮忙办绿卡,想跳到另外一家公司,今天刚拿到offer,但是工资少得
可怜,比我现在少2万刀/每年,对方给出的理由是 1.我之前从事的工作虽然是同一行
业,但是是客户管理,而现在的职位是供应商管理,不确定我是否能做好;2.他们需要
负担H1B和绿卡的申请费用。
这家公司最大的优势是可以立即帮忙办绿卡。这是来美国后第一次换工作,请问大家要
怎么跟对方谈才有可能提高待遇,同时让对方老板觉得合情合理,而且不觉得我是一味
为钱而工作(据说这是他最忌讳的,认为见钱眼开就是没有loyalty)。
拜谢!
可怜,比我现在少2万刀/每年,对方给出的理由是 1.我之前从事的工作虽然是同一行
业,但是是客户管理,而现在的职位是供应商管理,不确定我是否能做好;2.他们需要
负担H1B和绿卡的申请费用。
这家公司最大的优势是可以立即帮忙办绿卡。这是来美国后第一次换工作,请问大家要
怎么跟对方谈才有可能提高待遇,同时让对方老板觉得合情合理,而且不觉得我是一味
为钱而工作(据说这是他最忌讳的,认为见钱眼开就是没有loyalty)。
拜谢!
f*r
5 楼
小姨说我比不过团团
j*n
6 楼
1. Free $100 +双倍holiday bonus from Discover More® Card 最适合中美间使
用的多彩卡片Discover信用卡 11/15-12/31双倍holiday bonus
http://bankbonus.blog.163.com/
2.Chase Freedom Visa- $100 Bonus Cash Back
0% Intro APR
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3. Chase SapphireSM Card--$100 reward after first $500 purchase
http://bankbonus.blog.163.com/
4.免费的250刀 Chase SapphireSM Preferred Card需要满足这个offer的条件 优先考
虑哈 里面有指导如何满足条件
http://bankbonus.blog.163.com/
5.Chase 力作 continental onepass信用卡 首笔消费就送30000miles(无金额限制)+
$50免费bonus 最新优惠 信用卡首选
http://bankbonus.blog.163.com/
最近申请chase家的这个信用卡会弹出一个页面,写着Before you go…We hope you
will reconsider 难不成他们家最近被人拿太多这个免费机票了 不用对它客气,
赶紧点击Return&Apply, 拿到落袋为安。
http://bankbonus.blog.163.com/
用的多彩卡片Discover信用卡 11/15-12/31双倍holiday bonus
http://bankbonus.blog.163.com/
2.Chase Freedom Visa- $100 Bonus Cash Back
0% Intro APR
http://bankbonus.blog.163.com/
3. Chase SapphireSM Card--$100 reward after first $500 purchase
http://bankbonus.blog.163.com/
4.免费的250刀 Chase SapphireSM Preferred Card需要满足这个offer的条件 优先考
虑哈 里面有指导如何满足条件
http://bankbonus.blog.163.com/
5.Chase 力作 continental onepass信用卡 首笔消费就送30000miles(无金额限制)+
$50免费bonus 最新优惠 信用卡首选
http://bankbonus.blog.163.com/
最近申请chase家的这个信用卡会弹出一个页面,写着Before you go…We hope you
will reconsider 难不成他们家最近被人拿太多这个免费机票了 不用对它客气,
赶紧点击Return&Apply, 拿到落袋为安。
http://bankbonus.blog.163.com/
d*o
7 楼
有盗版印刷的书,盗版网站,现在还有了盗版的手机版,ipad版,kindle版。。。
要是没有这些盗版,早就是比林捏儿了,弄不好还是中国首富。
金庸古龙当初应该写英文的,就不该折腾什么汉字。
要是没有这些盗版,早就是比林捏儿了,弄不好还是中国首富。
金庸古龙当初应该写英文的,就不该折腾什么汉字。
L*e
8 楼
如老赵所说,弯曲确实掀起了一股向Netflix学习的高潮。不过不是学习它的business
model,也不是学习它的streaming技术,而是学习它的企业文化和人事管理制度。。。
Netflix的前CTO(不是Chief Technology Officer,而是Chief Talent Officer)派弟
卖壳得和CEO弄出的那个126页的PPT《自由与责任》被誉为硅谷最重要的文件没有之一
。。。
有兴趣的朋友可以看看这个PPT,看看Netflix是如何reinvented HR的。。。
http://hbr.org/2014/01/how-netflix-reinvented-hr/ar/1
model,也不是学习它的streaming技术,而是学习它的企业文化和人事管理制度。。。
Netflix的前CTO(不是Chief Technology Officer,而是Chief Talent Officer)派弟
卖壳得和CEO弄出的那个126页的PPT《自由与责任》被誉为硅谷最重要的文件没有之一
。。。
有兴趣的朋友可以看看这个PPT,看看Netflix是如何reinvented HR的。。。
http://hbr.org/2014/01/how-netflix-reinvented-hr/ar/1
q*2
9 楼
本人30岁+ 两娃儿,在国内是经济学本科专业,国内有几年HR 工作经验,来美国3年了
,生完娃儿感觉任务完成了想思考下自己的后半生,目前有绿卡,困惑如下请大家指点
,到底转行还是重操旧业?考认证还是学位?
1.邻居有个HR的朋友,说我这种情况去读了HR的认证直接找工作就可以,我的疑问,
SANTA CLARA 的HR CERTIFICATE找工认可么?还有HR这份工作,第一公司由于文化背景
语言的原因一般都喜欢本地人,二是小公司随便找个懂财务懂点儿行政的也就兼职做了
,大公司的HR坑少人稳定,说白了就是,HR好不好找工作?
2. 转行做会计,华人固定思路,但是,两个做会计的邻居都劝我,你何苦跳火坑?。
。。。。。
想申请SJSU MSA 一年program的master, 这个我自觉一年对我来说太难了,这个1年的
最久可以多久读完?我能分2年读完不? 呵呵呵。。。我看到SANTA CLARA , COLLEGE
,SJSU 都有certificate of ACCOUTING 的认证,读个认证OK不?
思路最近及其混乱,一会觉得这个可行 以后自己又推翻,而且像考公务员,觉得虽然
赚的少但是稳定,混个work LIFE BALANCE 也不错,国内的学历这里公正下,可以认可
么?
谢谢大家
,生完娃儿感觉任务完成了想思考下自己的后半生,目前有绿卡,困惑如下请大家指点
,到底转行还是重操旧业?考认证还是学位?
1.邻居有个HR的朋友,说我这种情况去读了HR的认证直接找工作就可以,我的疑问,
SANTA CLARA 的HR CERTIFICATE找工认可么?还有HR这份工作,第一公司由于文化背景
语言的原因一般都喜欢本地人,二是小公司随便找个懂财务懂点儿行政的也就兼职做了
,大公司的HR坑少人稳定,说白了就是,HR好不好找工作?
2. 转行做会计,华人固定思路,但是,两个做会计的邻居都劝我,你何苦跳火坑?。
。。。。。
想申请SJSU MSA 一年program的master, 这个我自觉一年对我来说太难了,这个1年的
最久可以多久读完?我能分2年读完不? 呵呵呵。。。我看到SANTA CLARA , COLLEGE
,SJSU 都有certificate of ACCOUTING 的认证,读个认证OK不?
思路最近及其混乱,一会觉得这个可行 以后自己又推翻,而且像考公务员,觉得虽然
赚的少但是稳定,混个work LIFE BALANCE 也不错,国内的学历这里公正下,可以认可
么?
谢谢大家
l*3
12 楼
在精华区看到好像说 NR+NR不能一起报税
d*n
13 楼
decent company will not use h-1b or gc as excuse to exploit employee, stay
away from this one.
away from this one.
l*h
14 楼
团团多少分?
p*2
15 楼
大牛什么态度?300K去不去?
f*n
16 楼
不能file jointly,除非你用first-year choice
y*1
17 楼
谢谢楼上的,但是目前确实只能找到这家愿意马上办绿卡的,本来打算牺牲一些薪水也
无所谓,但是2W刀似乎有点太多了。对方的老板人看上不去不错,但是对salary比较坚
决,说就上面我说的两点理由只能offer这么多,我不知道有没有哪位有经验可以让我
借鉴一下,回他一封email看看有没有商量。
无所谓,但是2W刀似乎有点太多了。对方的老板人看上不去不错,但是对salary比较坚
决,说就上面我说的两点理由只能offer这么多,我不知道有没有哪位有经验可以让我
借鉴一下,回他一封email看看有没有商量。
g*g
20 楼
A cheap company will always be cheap. Don't expect to get any
raise any time soon. If you can't find a better job, be patient,
it's better than moving to a worse job.
【在 y******1 的大作中提到】
: 谢谢楼上的,但是目前确实只能找到这家愿意马上办绿卡的,本来打算牺牲一些薪水也
: 无所谓,但是2W刀似乎有点太多了。对方的老板人看上不去不错,但是对salary比较坚
: 决,说就上面我说的两点理由只能offer这么多,我不知道有没有哪位有经验可以让我
: 借鉴一下,回他一封email看看有没有商量。
raise any time soon. If you can't find a better job, be patient,
it's better than moving to a worse job.
【在 y******1 的大作中提到】
: 谢谢楼上的,但是目前确实只能找到这家愿意马上办绿卡的,本来打算牺牲一些薪水也
: 无所谓,但是2W刀似乎有点太多了。对方的老板人看上不去不错,但是对salary比较坚
: 决,说就上面我说的两点理由只能offer这么多,我不知道有没有哪位有经验可以让我
: 借鉴一下,回他一封email看看有没有商量。
s*o
22 楼
有本事的吃香喝辣,没本事的卷铺盖走人,听着很残酷其实很合理。不过有本事的人凑
一块如何协调是个大问题,像好虫跟魏老师见面就互相拍砖咋办
一块如何协调是个大问题,像好虫跟魏老师见面就互相拍砖咋办
c*g
23 楼
我觉得在某些时候绿卡比钱更重要,这个要看你怎么balance...如果你确定有了绿卡工
作机会更多或者这个公司可以申请EB1-b再加上你背景很强可以在很短的时间内拿下绿
卡,不妨考虑一下新公司。。
No company is perfect and you always have to compromise...
【在 y******1 的大作中提到】
: 现在的工作不能帮忙办绿卡,想跳到另外一家公司,今天刚拿到offer,但是工资少得
: 可怜,比我现在少2万刀/每年,对方给出的理由是 1.我之前从事的工作虽然是同一行
: 业,但是是客户管理,而现在的职位是供应商管理,不确定我是否能做好;2.他们需要
: 负担H1B和绿卡的申请费用。
: 这家公司最大的优势是可以立即帮忙办绿卡。这是来美国后第一次换工作,请问大家要
: 怎么跟对方谈才有可能提高待遇,同时让对方老板觉得合情合理,而且不觉得我是一味
: 为钱而工作(据说这是他最忌讳的,认为见钱眼开就是没有loyalty)。
: 拜谢!
作机会更多或者这个公司可以申请EB1-b再加上你背景很强可以在很短的时间内拿下绿
卡,不妨考虑一下新公司。。
No company is perfect and you always have to compromise...
【在 y******1 的大作中提到】
: 现在的工作不能帮忙办绿卡,想跳到另外一家公司,今天刚拿到offer,但是工资少得
: 可怜,比我现在少2万刀/每年,对方给出的理由是 1.我之前从事的工作虽然是同一行
: 业,但是是客户管理,而现在的职位是供应商管理,不确定我是否能做好;2.他们需要
: 负担H1B和绿卡的申请费用。
: 这家公司最大的优势是可以立即帮忙办绿卡。这是来美国后第一次换工作,请问大家要
: 怎么跟对方谈才有可能提高待遇,同时让对方老板觉得合情合理,而且不觉得我是一味
: 为钱而工作(据说这是他最忌讳的,认为见钱眼开就是没有loyalty)。
: 拜谢!
y*g
26 楼
骑驴找马。To be prepared for the worst situation, that is, after you accept
the offer and work for the company, they find tons of excuses not to apply
for the green card for you.
the offer and work for the company, they find tons of excuses not to apply
for the green card for you.
c*4
32 楼
听起来公司不厚道。。。。。。
N*m
40 楼
烙印多么?这个是关键。
business
【在 L*****e 的大作中提到】
: 如老赵所说,弯曲确实掀起了一股向Netflix学习的高潮。不过不是学习它的business
: model,也不是学习它的streaming技术,而是学习它的企业文化和人事管理制度。。。
: Netflix的前CTO(不是Chief Technology Officer,而是Chief Talent Officer)派弟
: 卖壳得和CEO弄出的那个126页的PPT《自由与责任》被誉为硅谷最重要的文件没有之一
: 。。。
: 有兴趣的朋友可以看看这个PPT,看看Netflix是如何reinvented HR的。。。
: http://hbr.org/2014/01/how-netflix-reinvented-hr/ar/1
business
【在 L*****e 的大作中提到】
: 如老赵所说,弯曲确实掀起了一股向Netflix学习的高潮。不过不是学习它的business
: model,也不是学习它的streaming技术,而是学习它的企业文化和人事管理制度。。。
: Netflix的前CTO(不是Chief Technology Officer,而是Chief Talent Officer)派弟
: 卖壳得和CEO弄出的那个126页的PPT《自由与责任》被誉为硅谷最重要的文件没有之一
: 。。。
: 有兴趣的朋友可以看看这个PPT,看看Netflix是如何reinvented HR的。。。
: http://hbr.org/2014/01/how-netflix-reinvented-hr/ar/1
T*B
41 楼
现在就拿绿卡压工资, 办到一半让你加班加点, 办到后来就给你拖。 这种老板比你
油, 落到他手里, 你死定了。
油, 落到他手里, 你死定了。
i*i
43 楼
video 有没得?
business
【在 L*****e 的大作中提到】
: 如老赵所说,弯曲确实掀起了一股向Netflix学习的高潮。不过不是学习它的business
: model,也不是学习它的streaming技术,而是学习它的企业文化和人事管理制度。。。
: Netflix的前CTO(不是Chief Technology Officer,而是Chief Talent Officer)派弟
: 卖壳得和CEO弄出的那个126页的PPT《自由与责任》被誉为硅谷最重要的文件没有之一
: 。。。
: 有兴趣的朋友可以看看这个PPT,看看Netflix是如何reinvented HR的。。。
: http://hbr.org/2014/01/how-netflix-reinvented-hr/ar/1
business
【在 L*****e 的大作中提到】
: 如老赵所说,弯曲确实掀起了一股向Netflix学习的高潮。不过不是学习它的business
: model,也不是学习它的streaming技术,而是学习它的企业文化和人事管理制度。。。
: Netflix的前CTO(不是Chief Technology Officer,而是Chief Talent Officer)派弟
: 卖壳得和CEO弄出的那个126页的PPT《自由与责任》被誉为硅谷最重要的文件没有之一
: 。。。
: 有兴趣的朋友可以看看这个PPT,看看Netflix是如何reinvented HR的。。。
: http://hbr.org/2014/01/how-netflix-reinvented-hr/ar/1
s*y
44 楼
Be careful with cheap companies. They may even 变卦 about green card
sponsorship after you are on board. Then you have no way back le.
sponsorship after you are on board. Then you have no way back le.
p*1
47 楼
my strong feeling: the new boss is cheating.....
but I hope i am wrong.
【在 y******1 的大作中提到】
: 现在的工作不能帮忙办绿卡,想跳到另外一家公司,今天刚拿到offer,但是工资少得
: 可怜,比我现在少2万刀/每年,对方给出的理由是 1.我之前从事的工作虽然是同一行
: 业,但是是客户管理,而现在的职位是供应商管理,不确定我是否能做好;2.他们需要
: 负担H1B和绿卡的申请费用。
: 这家公司最大的优势是可以立即帮忙办绿卡。这是来美国后第一次换工作,请问大家要
: 怎么跟对方谈才有可能提高待遇,同时让对方老板觉得合情合理,而且不觉得我是一味
: 为钱而工作(据说这是他最忌讳的,认为见钱眼开就是没有loyalty)。
: 拜谢!
but I hope i am wrong.
【在 y******1 的大作中提到】
: 现在的工作不能帮忙办绿卡,想跳到另外一家公司,今天刚拿到offer,但是工资少得
: 可怜,比我现在少2万刀/每年,对方给出的理由是 1.我之前从事的工作虽然是同一行
: 业,但是是客户管理,而现在的职位是供应商管理,不确定我是否能做好;2.他们需要
: 负担H1B和绿卡的申请费用。
: 这家公司最大的优势是可以立即帮忙办绿卡。这是来美国后第一次换工作,请问大家要
: 怎么跟对方谈才有可能提高待遇,同时让对方老板觉得合情合理,而且不觉得我是一味
: 为钱而工作(据说这是他最忌讳的,认为见钱眼开就是没有loyalty)。
: 拜谢!
T*i
49 楼
跟古德霸这样的做同事。你去么?
L*3
50 楼
这种老板最好少招惹。
俺第一个老板就很油,给的工资很一般,但给了我一大堆理由让我从,然后说1年后就
给办绿卡。当时俺还找了一个同事问,说是老板好确实1年后就给办。于是俺过去卖力
地干,但这老板真是jp,极擅长压榨下属又讨好上级,干了一年后找他时,他说他从来
没说过,公司政策都是3年后给办。然后听说因为费用问题,老板不愿意一年后就给办。
俺第一个老板就很油,给的工资很一般,但给了我一大堆理由让我从,然后说1年后就
给办绿卡。当时俺还找了一个同事问,说是老板好确实1年后就给办。于是俺过去卖力
地干,但这老板真是jp,极擅长压榨下属又讨好上级,干了一年后找他时,他说他从来
没说过,公司政策都是3年后给办。然后听说因为费用问题,老板不愿意一年后就给办。
B*r
52 楼
能“说认为见钱眼开就是没有loyalty”的老板肯定是极品。
“立即帮忙办绿卡”我看没门。
lz要是真的跳槽了,记得回来报告一下什么时候给办绿卡。如果是EB2的话,要很多年
拿卡,一年少2w就这么忍了?
【在 y******1 的大作中提到】
: 现在的工作不能帮忙办绿卡,想跳到另外一家公司,今天刚拿到offer,但是工资少得
: 可怜,比我现在少2万刀/每年,对方给出的理由是 1.我之前从事的工作虽然是同一行
: 业,但是是客户管理,而现在的职位是供应商管理,不确定我是否能做好;2.他们需要
: 负担H1B和绿卡的申请费用。
: 这家公司最大的优势是可以立即帮忙办绿卡。这是来美国后第一次换工作,请问大家要
: 怎么跟对方谈才有可能提高待遇,同时让对方老板觉得合情合理,而且不觉得我是一味
: 为钱而工作(据说这是他最忌讳的,认为见钱眼开就是没有loyalty)。
: 拜谢!
“立即帮忙办绿卡”我看没门。
lz要是真的跳槽了,记得回来报告一下什么时候给办绿卡。如果是EB2的话,要很多年
拿卡,一年少2w就这么忍了?
【在 y******1 的大作中提到】
: 现在的工作不能帮忙办绿卡,想跳到另外一家公司,今天刚拿到offer,但是工资少得
: 可怜,比我现在少2万刀/每年,对方给出的理由是 1.我之前从事的工作虽然是同一行
: 业,但是是客户管理,而现在的职位是供应商管理,不确定我是否能做好;2.他们需要
: 负担H1B和绿卡的申请费用。
: 这家公司最大的优势是可以立即帮忙办绿卡。这是来美国后第一次换工作,请问大家要
: 怎么跟对方谈才有可能提高待遇,同时让对方老板觉得合情合理,而且不觉得我是一味
: 为钱而工作(据说这是他最忌讳的,认为见钱眼开就是没有loyalty)。
: 拜谢!
w*g
54 楼
20k假结婚都够了
z*e
59 楼
cs现在不都是服务业么?
哪有单纯的制造业,你东家发达一个很重要原因是想做office
要不然现在也发达不了
什么企业文化,人事管理,都是虚的
讲白了就一句话
找你来是来干活的,不想干走人
就这么简单,我很喜欢这种文化,废话说了一堆,能扯三个月
说那么多好没意思,三个月,我一个prototype都出来了
估计都快做成了,当然会有这样那样可能出问题,有问题再定位再调整
很正常,更不要说很多时候,想也没用,人又不是上帝
工程实际操作时候跟战场一样,不会按照你想的发展
这个实际操作过的都有经验了,能有几次实际发展跟计划是一致的?
只能说大概维持在一个方向上,然后不失败就是成功
business
【在 L*****e 的大作中提到】
: 如老赵所说,弯曲确实掀起了一股向Netflix学习的高潮。不过不是学习它的business
: model,也不是学习它的streaming技术,而是学习它的企业文化和人事管理制度。。。
: Netflix的前CTO(不是Chief Technology Officer,而是Chief Talent Officer)派弟
: 卖壳得和CEO弄出的那个126页的PPT《自由与责任》被誉为硅谷最重要的文件没有之一
: 。。。
: 有兴趣的朋友可以看看这个PPT,看看Netflix是如何reinvented HR的。。。
: http://hbr.org/2014/01/how-netflix-reinvented-hr/ar/1
哪有单纯的制造业,你东家发达一个很重要原因是想做office
要不然现在也发达不了
什么企业文化,人事管理,都是虚的
讲白了就一句话
找你来是来干活的,不想干走人
就这么简单,我很喜欢这种文化,废话说了一堆,能扯三个月
说那么多好没意思,三个月,我一个prototype都出来了
估计都快做成了,当然会有这样那样可能出问题,有问题再定位再调整
很正常,更不要说很多时候,想也没用,人又不是上帝
工程实际操作时候跟战场一样,不会按照你想的发展
这个实际操作过的都有经验了,能有几次实际发展跟计划是一致的?
只能说大概维持在一个方向上,然后不失败就是成功
business
【在 L*****e 的大作中提到】
: 如老赵所说,弯曲确实掀起了一股向Netflix学习的高潮。不过不是学习它的business
: model,也不是学习它的streaming技术,而是学习它的企业文化和人事管理制度。。。
: Netflix的前CTO(不是Chief Technology Officer,而是Chief Talent Officer)派弟
: 卖壳得和CEO弄出的那个126页的PPT《自由与责任》被誉为硅谷最重要的文件没有之一
: 。。。
: 有兴趣的朋友可以看看这个PPT,看看Netflix是如何reinvented HR的。。。
: http://hbr.org/2014/01/how-netflix-reinvented-hr/ar/1
q*c
66 楼
我看了。
觉得没啥用处。
我觉得真正有用的是, 牛屄的 ceo 和牛屄的 hire manager. 前者能保证商业方向,
后者能保证工程质量
问题是这两个都无法持续, 不能 scale 。 所以没有千年的帝国。。。
business
【在 L*****e 的大作中提到】
: 如老赵所说,弯曲确实掀起了一股向Netflix学习的高潮。不过不是学习它的business
: model,也不是学习它的streaming技术,而是学习它的企业文化和人事管理制度。。。
: Netflix的前CTO(不是Chief Technology Officer,而是Chief Talent Officer)派弟
: 卖壳得和CEO弄出的那个126页的PPT《自由与责任》被誉为硅谷最重要的文件没有之一
: 。。。
: 有兴趣的朋友可以看看这个PPT,看看Netflix是如何reinvented HR的。。。
: http://hbr.org/2014/01/how-netflix-reinvented-hr/ar/1
觉得没啥用处。
我觉得真正有用的是, 牛屄的 ceo 和牛屄的 hire manager. 前者能保证商业方向,
后者能保证工程质量
问题是这两个都无法持续, 不能 scale 。 所以没有千年的帝国。。。
business
【在 L*****e 的大作中提到】
: 如老赵所说,弯曲确实掀起了一股向Netflix学习的高潮。不过不是学习它的business
: model,也不是学习它的streaming技术,而是学习它的企业文化和人事管理制度。。。
: Netflix的前CTO(不是Chief Technology Officer,而是Chief Talent Officer)派弟
: 卖壳得和CEO弄出的那个126页的PPT《自由与责任》被誉为硅谷最重要的文件没有之一
: 。。。
: 有兴趣的朋友可以看看这个PPT,看看Netflix是如何reinvented HR的。。。
: http://hbr.org/2014/01/how-netflix-reinvented-hr/ar/1
d*f
68 楼
netflix从技术上说就是除了苦力以外都是0,其实netflix完全可以外包到中国,co
st直接降90%
business
【在 L*****e 的大作中提到】
: 如老赵所说,弯曲确实掀起了一股向Netflix学习的高潮。不过不是学习它的business
: model,也不是学习它的streaming技术,而是学习它的企业文化和人事管理制度。。。
: Netflix的前CTO(不是Chief Technology Officer,而是Chief Talent Officer)派弟
: 卖壳得和CEO弄出的那个126页的PPT《自由与责任》被誉为硅谷最重要的文件没有之一
: 。。。
: 有兴趣的朋友可以看看这个PPT,看看Netflix是如何reinvented HR的。。。
: http://hbr.org/2014/01/how-netflix-reinvented-hr/ar/1
st直接降90%
business
【在 L*****e 的大作中提到】
: 如老赵所说,弯曲确实掀起了一股向Netflix学习的高潮。不过不是学习它的business
: model,也不是学习它的streaming技术,而是学习它的企业文化和人事管理制度。。。
: Netflix的前CTO(不是Chief Technology Officer,而是Chief Talent Officer)派弟
: 卖壳得和CEO弄出的那个126页的PPT《自由与责任》被誉为硅谷最重要的文件没有之一
: 。。。
: 有兴趣的朋友可以看看这个PPT,看看Netflix是如何reinvented HR的。。。
: http://hbr.org/2014/01/how-netflix-reinvented-hr/ar/1
z*e
74 楼
对付外包有一个小经验
就是要求外包先试用一段时间
先不要急着给钱,外包很多是骗子,骗子不会浪费时间在无法兑现的利益上
让外包先做出东西来,觉得可以了,再把钱给上
第一次这样,以后熟悉了,觉得质量合格了,再先给钱也行
用这种方式,我省了好多钱
没办法,社会太黑,骗子太多
【在 q*c 的大作中提到】
: 你要真亲自试验过外包就知道了,根本不行。我可是负责印度外包过的。中国外包估计
: 好不到哪里去。
: 要这么容易,中国印度本国早世界第一第二了。
: 其实人多了后,最难的不是技术,而是有职业精神和基本素质的大批员工。
: 发达国家和落后国家就差这个,什么 leadership 都是狗屁。 人多了,什么样的
: leader 都有,但是难以取巧的是乌央乌央的无数高素质工程师队伍。
就是要求外包先试用一段时间
先不要急着给钱,外包很多是骗子,骗子不会浪费时间在无法兑现的利益上
让外包先做出东西来,觉得可以了,再把钱给上
第一次这样,以后熟悉了,觉得质量合格了,再先给钱也行
用这种方式,我省了好多钱
没办法,社会太黑,骗子太多
【在 q*c 的大作中提到】
: 你要真亲自试验过外包就知道了,根本不行。我可是负责印度外包过的。中国外包估计
: 好不到哪里去。
: 要这么容易,中国印度本国早世界第一第二了。
: 其实人多了后,最难的不是技术,而是有职业精神和基本素质的大批员工。
: 发达国家和落后国家就差这个,什么 leadership 都是狗屁。 人多了,什么样的
: leader 都有,但是难以取巧的是乌央乌央的无数高素质工程师队伍。
g*t
80 楼
Netflix忽悠本事还是差,
一个nb公司需要一个能忽悠的头,
一个nb公司需要一个能忽悠的头,
h*a
83 楼
赞,希望左兄能领导起一轮有意义的讨论
business
【在 L*****e 的大作中提到】
: 如老赵所说,弯曲确实掀起了一股向Netflix学习的高潮。不过不是学习它的business
: model,也不是学习它的streaming技术,而是学习它的企业文化和人事管理制度。。。
: Netflix的前CTO(不是Chief Technology Officer,而是Chief Talent Officer)派弟
: 卖壳得和CEO弄出的那个126页的PPT《自由与责任》被誉为硅谷最重要的文件没有之一
: 。。。
: 有兴趣的朋友可以看看这个PPT,看看Netflix是如何reinvented HR的。。。
: http://hbr.org/2014/01/how-netflix-reinvented-hr/ar/1
business
【在 L*****e 的大作中提到】
: 如老赵所说,弯曲确实掀起了一股向Netflix学习的高潮。不过不是学习它的business
: model,也不是学习它的streaming技术,而是学习它的企业文化和人事管理制度。。。
: Netflix的前CTO(不是Chief Technology Officer,而是Chief Talent Officer)派弟
: 卖壳得和CEO弄出的那个126页的PPT《自由与责任》被誉为硅谷最重要的文件没有之一
: 。。。
: 有兴趣的朋友可以看看这个PPT,看看Netflix是如何reinvented HR的。。。
: http://hbr.org/2014/01/how-netflix-reinvented-hr/ar/1
L*e
91 楼
我还真把126页都过了一遍,觉得netflix的企业文化其实挺适合魏老师的,当然,要和
好虫分在不同的组。。。
不过也确实如qxc说的,一个公司的文化多数情况只适合这个公司或者这类公司,甚至
也就只适合这个公司的某一发展阶段,没有放之四海而皆准的文化和制度。比如说它所
谓的the fourth option: avoid chaos as you grow with ever more high
performance people这一条到公司成长到一定阶段后,就很难做到。。。
另外,Top of Market那一段的三个问题,对于未自己创业而打工的码工还是挺有意义
的。每个打工的码工都应每日“三省吾身”:
1. Where could I go elsewhere?
2. What would my boss pay for a replacement?
3. What would my boss do to keep me?
【在 h*****a 的大作中提到】
: 赞,希望左兄能领导起一轮有意义的讨论
:
: business
好虫分在不同的组。。。
不过也确实如qxc说的,一个公司的文化多数情况只适合这个公司或者这类公司,甚至
也就只适合这个公司的某一发展阶段,没有放之四海而皆准的文化和制度。比如说它所
谓的the fourth option: avoid chaos as you grow with ever more high
performance people这一条到公司成长到一定阶段后,就很难做到。。。
另外,Top of Market那一段的三个问题,对于未自己创业而打工的码工还是挺有意义
的。每个打工的码工都应每日“三省吾身”:
1. Where could I go elsewhere?
2. What would my boss pay for a replacement?
3. What would my boss do to keep me?
【在 h*****a 的大作中提到】
: 赞,希望左兄能领导起一轮有意义的讨论
:
: business
g*g
95 楼
就他那个简历,根本没人有兴趣。我们可不招外行。
【在 L*****e 的大作中提到】
: 我还真把126页都过了一遍,觉得netflix的企业文化其实挺适合魏老师的,当然,要和
: 好虫分在不同的组。。。
: 不过也确实如qxc说的,一个公司的文化多数情况只适合这个公司或者这类公司,甚至
: 也就只适合这个公司的某一发展阶段,没有放之四海而皆准的文化和制度。比如说它所
: 谓的the fourth option: avoid chaos as you grow with ever more high
: performance people这一条到公司成长到一定阶段后,就很难做到。。。
: 另外,Top of Market那一段的三个问题,对于未自己创业而打工的码工还是挺有意义
: 的。每个打工的码工都应每日“三省吾身”:
: 1. Where could I go elsewhere?
: 2. What would my boss pay for a replacement?
【在 L*****e 的大作中提到】
: 我还真把126页都过了一遍,觉得netflix的企业文化其实挺适合魏老师的,当然,要和
: 好虫分在不同的组。。。
: 不过也确实如qxc说的,一个公司的文化多数情况只适合这个公司或者这类公司,甚至
: 也就只适合这个公司的某一发展阶段,没有放之四海而皆准的文化和制度。比如说它所
: 谓的the fourth option: avoid chaos as you grow with ever more high
: performance people这一条到公司成长到一定阶段后,就很难做到。。。
: 另外,Top of Market那一段的三个问题,对于未自己创业而打工的码工还是挺有意义
: 的。每个打工的码工都应每日“三省吾身”:
: 1. Where could I go elsewhere?
: 2. What would my boss pay for a replacement?
C*r
96 楼
看了第52页,心在滴血。
c*3
97 楼
netflix的想法也比较奇特,大概只有硅谷这种有全球人才聚集的地方才有可能,同时
要和华尔街勾搭,从股市给人足够回报。
否则达到这种要求的码工,不见得会肯替它干了。码工这种职业,水平和眼界达到一定
程度,都是可以自己干的,不用为别人打工。
【在 L*****e 的大作中提到】
: 我还真把126页都过了一遍,觉得netflix的企业文化其实挺适合魏老师的,当然,要和
: 好虫分在不同的组。。。
: 不过也确实如qxc说的,一个公司的文化多数情况只适合这个公司或者这类公司,甚至
: 也就只适合这个公司的某一发展阶段,没有放之四海而皆准的文化和制度。比如说它所
: 谓的the fourth option: avoid chaos as you grow with ever more high
: performance people这一条到公司成长到一定阶段后,就很难做到。。。
: 另外,Top of Market那一段的三个问题,对于未自己创业而打工的码工还是挺有意义
: 的。每个打工的码工都应每日“三省吾身”:
: 1. Where could I go elsewhere?
: 2. What would my boss pay for a replacement?
要和华尔街勾搭,从股市给人足够回报。
否则达到这种要求的码工,不见得会肯替它干了。码工这种职业,水平和眼界达到一定
程度,都是可以自己干的,不用为别人打工。
【在 L*****e 的大作中提到】
: 我还真把126页都过了一遍,觉得netflix的企业文化其实挺适合魏老师的,当然,要和
: 好虫分在不同的组。。。
: 不过也确实如qxc说的,一个公司的文化多数情况只适合这个公司或者这类公司,甚至
: 也就只适合这个公司的某一发展阶段,没有放之四海而皆准的文化和制度。比如说它所
: 谓的the fourth option: avoid chaos as you grow with ever more high
: performance people这一条到公司成长到一定阶段后,就很难做到。。。
: 另外,Top of Market那一段的三个问题,对于未自己创业而打工的码工还是挺有意义
: 的。每个打工的码工都应每日“三省吾身”:
: 1. Where could I go elsewhere?
: 2. What would my boss pay for a replacement?
g*g
99 楼
你错了,纸牌屋本身就是数据分析的产物。投资原创节目不难想到,每个电视台都做,
买啥就是个技术问题了。Netflix的数据分析可以在买任何节目前就给出一个比较准确
的收视估计。谈判的底线就很明确。
那么多电视台包括amazon要浪费钱做pilot,很多电视剧活不过一个season,甚至
breaking bad都
差点没活过两个season,就是技术不行,没法估计收视的原因。
【在 L*****e 的大作中提到】
: 出来单干的关键还是在于business model,而不是技术。对于Netflix来讲,将来发展
: 和成功的关键在于内容,而不在于AWS使用得多么好。《纸牌屋》对于Netflix来讲,比
: 那个什么movie recommendation algorithm重要得多。。。
买啥就是个技术问题了。Netflix的数据分析可以在买任何节目前就给出一个比较准确
的收视估计。谈判的底线就很明确。
那么多电视台包括amazon要浪费钱做pilot,很多电视剧活不过一个season,甚至
breaking bad都
差点没活过两个season,就是技术不行,没法估计收视的原因。
【在 L*****e 的大作中提到】
: 出来单干的关键还是在于business model,而不是技术。对于Netflix来讲,将来发展
: 和成功的关键在于内容,而不在于AWS使用得多么好。《纸牌屋》对于Netflix来讲,比
: 那个什么movie recommendation algorithm重要得多。。。
t*d
101 楼
忽悠大王
看第 73 到 75 页,忽悠不需要逻辑。
business
【在 L*****e 的大作中提到】
: 如老赵所说,弯曲确实掀起了一股向Netflix学习的高潮。不过不是学习它的business
: model,也不是学习它的streaming技术,而是学习它的企业文化和人事管理制度。。。
: Netflix的前CTO(不是Chief Technology Officer,而是Chief Talent Officer)派弟
: 卖壳得和CEO弄出的那个126页的PPT《自由与责任》被誉为硅谷最重要的文件没有之一
: 。。。
: 有兴趣的朋友可以看看这个PPT,看看Netflix是如何reinvented HR的。。。
: http://hbr.org/2014/01/how-netflix-reinvented-hr/ar/1
看第 73 到 75 页,忽悠不需要逻辑。
business
【在 L*****e 的大作中提到】
: 如老赵所说,弯曲确实掀起了一股向Netflix学习的高潮。不过不是学习它的business
: model,也不是学习它的streaming技术,而是学习它的企业文化和人事管理制度。。。
: Netflix的前CTO(不是Chief Technology Officer,而是Chief Talent Officer)派弟
: 卖壳得和CEO弄出的那个126页的PPT《自由与责任》被誉为硅谷最重要的文件没有之一
: 。。。
: 有兴趣的朋友可以看看这个PPT,看看Netflix是如何reinvented HR的。。。
: http://hbr.org/2014/01/how-netflix-reinvented-hr/ar/1
L*e
102 楼
具体我不了解。但是netflix的买下纸牌屋的网络首播权时,纸牌屋应该还没有拍出来
了吧?大概有个剧情梗概和pilot的样片?如果说只是先知道什么样的题材会比较受欢
迎,和后面真的拍出一个受欢迎的剧集,这之间的距离还很远。走过这段距离,数据分
析能够起到什么作用?
如果说netflix是通过在netflix上观影的数据分析,观众评价,观众给分等数据,来影
响剧情走向,演员角色设定等,那是很牛逼的。不过netflix现在应该做不到这一点。
在数据挖掘和数据分析这方面,netflix还是个小弟弟,上面说的google现在也做不到
。。。
另外,其实很多观众都指出了,对于他们来讲newer movie就是better movie,即使纸
牌屋没有拿到暧昧奖,只要做到你有别人没有,或者你比别人先有,这本身的意义就巨
大。。。
【在 g*****g 的大作中提到】
: 你错了,纸牌屋本身就是数据分析的产物。投资原创节目不难想到,每个电视台都做,
: 买啥就是个技术问题了。Netflix的数据分析可以在买任何节目前就给出一个比较准确
: 的收视估计。谈判的底线就很明确。
: 那么多电视台包括amazon要浪费钱做pilot,很多电视剧活不过一个season,甚至
: breaking bad都
: 差点没活过两个season,就是技术不行,没法估计收视的原因。
了吧?大概有个剧情梗概和pilot的样片?如果说只是先知道什么样的题材会比较受欢
迎,和后面真的拍出一个受欢迎的剧集,这之间的距离还很远。走过这段距离,数据分
析能够起到什么作用?
如果说netflix是通过在netflix上观影的数据分析,观众评价,观众给分等数据,来影
响剧情走向,演员角色设定等,那是很牛逼的。不过netflix现在应该做不到这一点。
在数据挖掘和数据分析这方面,netflix还是个小弟弟,上面说的google现在也做不到
。。。
另外,其实很多观众都指出了,对于他们来讲newer movie就是better movie,即使纸
牌屋没有拿到暧昧奖,只要做到你有别人没有,或者你比别人先有,这本身的意义就巨
大。。。
【在 g*****g 的大作中提到】
: 你错了,纸牌屋本身就是数据分析的产物。投资原创节目不难想到,每个电视台都做,
: 买啥就是个技术问题了。Netflix的数据分析可以在买任何节目前就给出一个比较准确
: 的收视估计。谈判的底线就很明确。
: 那么多电视台包括amazon要浪费钱做pilot,很多电视剧活不过一个season,甚至
: breaking bad都
: 差点没活过两个season,就是技术不行,没法估计收视的原因。
L*e
105 楼
这个还是要本着他山之石可以攻玉来看的。。。
任何企业的成功都不可能是单一因素来起作用的,所有不可能去照搬其中一个因子来
copy成功。单就人事制度来讲,有人就指出过最好的人事制度是不断变化的人事制度。
人是一种很懒惰又很狡猾的动物,对于固定的制度,一定会产生上有政策下有对策的结
果,只有不断变化的制度,能让人不断地警醒而且努力。当然,如何变化和变化的幅度
是门艺术。。。
另外,这个ppt流行开来,也是坊间自己流传开来的,倒不是netflix花钱宣传啥的。。。
【在 q*c 的大作中提到】
: 那片文就是更大的 BS.
: 早几年就有了吧? 为什么突然现在火? 还不是因为nflx 股票涨。 这里面有 1000 个
: 因素, 鬼知道为什么。 只是什么对 CEO 有利, 就花钱宣传什么而已。
: 只是蠢人实在太多, 所以这种 BS 到处流传。
任何企业的成功都不可能是单一因素来起作用的,所有不可能去照搬其中一个因子来
copy成功。单就人事制度来讲,有人就指出过最好的人事制度是不断变化的人事制度。
人是一种很懒惰又很狡猾的动物,对于固定的制度,一定会产生上有政策下有对策的结
果,只有不断变化的制度,能让人不断地警醒而且努力。当然,如何变化和变化的幅度
是门艺术。。。
另外,这个ppt流行开来,也是坊间自己流传开来的,倒不是netflix花钱宣传啥的。。。
【在 q*c 的大作中提到】
: 那片文就是更大的 BS.
: 早几年就有了吧? 为什么突然现在火? 还不是因为nflx 股票涨。 这里面有 1000 个
: 因素, 鬼知道为什么。 只是什么对 CEO 有利, 就花钱宣传什么而已。
: 只是蠢人实在太多, 所以这种 BS 到处流传。
g*g
106 楼
你把导演,演员表,找个人读一下梗概tag一下genre输入系统,就能给出个分析数据。
任何内容都有个收视时间,有个价钱,对比的是这个比例。netflix追求的是最大化性
价比,而不是一味求新。不停淘汰性价比低的内容,购买性价比高的内容,是提高
margin的关键之一。
netflix是小,但只做这一块,技术能力很强。有个team在AWS上用GPU做ANN,相当的
cutting edge。
http://techblog.netflix.com/2014/02/distributed-neural-networks
别忘了Roku最早也是netflix做得,open connect CDN也是netflix自己做的。
【在 L*****e 的大作中提到】
: 具体我不了解。但是netflix的买下纸牌屋的网络首播权时,纸牌屋应该还没有拍出来
: 了吧?大概有个剧情梗概和pilot的样片?如果说只是先知道什么样的题材会比较受欢
: 迎,和后面真的拍出一个受欢迎的剧集,这之间的距离还很远。走过这段距离,数据分
: 析能够起到什么作用?
: 如果说netflix是通过在netflix上观影的数据分析,观众评价,观众给分等数据,来影
: 响剧情走向,演员角色设定等,那是很牛逼的。不过netflix现在应该做不到这一点。
: 在数据挖掘和数据分析这方面,netflix还是个小弟弟,上面说的google现在也做不到
: 。。。
: 另外,其实很多观众都指出了,对于他们来讲newer movie就是better movie,即使纸
: 牌屋没有拿到暧昧奖,只要做到你有别人没有,或者你比别人先有,这本身的意义就巨
任何内容都有个收视时间,有个价钱,对比的是这个比例。netflix追求的是最大化性
价比,而不是一味求新。不停淘汰性价比低的内容,购买性价比高的内容,是提高
margin的关键之一。
netflix是小,但只做这一块,技术能力很强。有个team在AWS上用GPU做ANN,相当的
cutting edge。
http://techblog.netflix.com/2014/02/distributed-neural-networks
别忘了Roku最早也是netflix做得,open connect CDN也是netflix自己做的。
【在 L*****e 的大作中提到】
: 具体我不了解。但是netflix的买下纸牌屋的网络首播权时,纸牌屋应该还没有拍出来
: 了吧?大概有个剧情梗概和pilot的样片?如果说只是先知道什么样的题材会比较受欢
: 迎,和后面真的拍出一个受欢迎的剧集,这之间的距离还很远。走过这段距离,数据分
: 析能够起到什么作用?
: 如果说netflix是通过在netflix上观影的数据分析,观众评价,观众给分等数据,来影
: 响剧情走向,演员角色设定等,那是很牛逼的。不过netflix现在应该做不到这一点。
: 在数据挖掘和数据分析这方面,netflix还是个小弟弟,上面说的google现在也做不到
: 。。。
: 另外,其实很多观众都指出了,对于他们来讲newer movie就是better movie,即使纸
: 牌屋没有拿到暧昧奖,只要做到你有别人没有,或者你比别人先有,这本身的意义就巨
c*3
107 楼
这个人的PPT里其实宣扬的是金钱至上的文化。
程序员就是富士康的劳动力,我们要找最强壮的,最能扛大包,还喜欢听话,我们多给
你pay。你不能是smart jerk,我们不需要的时候,你就是good performance,就可以
把你一脚踢了,所以也不需要loyalty。
别人也可以这么想它,今天你是股市的top performance,一旦有天表现不好,我也可
以把你一脚踢了。
程序员就是富士康的劳动力,我们要找最强壮的,最能扛大包,还喜欢听话,我们多给
你pay。你不能是smart jerk,我们不需要的时候,你就是good performance,就可以
把你一脚踢了,所以也不需要loyalty。
别人也可以这么想它,今天你是股市的top performance,一旦有天表现不好,我也可
以把你一脚踢了。
L*e
108 楼
嗯,觉得netflix今天的制度有点像依靠雇佣兵打仗的制度。这种制度对于完成一个区
域性任务会很有效。。。但是大国博弈,必然要有养兵千日用在一时的时候,而且用人
还讲究一个人尽其才,因人而用。。。另外就是,一切因金钱来衡量价值也是有点简单
粗暴(也可能是适合它现阶段的需要),人的需求是多层次的,码工也不例外。。。
还有就是,还要考虑文化的差异,马云今天的一篇博文也谈了他的人才观,文里谈到中
国文化里的忠义观念,最后的结论是挖墙角不如自己来培养自己的忠臣。。。
【在 c****3 的大作中提到】
: 这个人的PPT里其实宣扬的是金钱至上的文化。
: 程序员就是富士康的劳动力,我们要找最强壮的,最能扛大包,还喜欢听话,我们多给
: 你pay。你不能是smart jerk,我们不需要的时候,你就是good performance,就可以
: 把你一脚踢了,所以也不需要loyalty。
: 别人也可以这么想它,今天你是股市的top performance,一旦有天表现不好,我也可
: 以把你一脚踢了。
域性任务会很有效。。。但是大国博弈,必然要有养兵千日用在一时的时候,而且用人
还讲究一个人尽其才,因人而用。。。另外就是,一切因金钱来衡量价值也是有点简单
粗暴(也可能是适合它现阶段的需要),人的需求是多层次的,码工也不例外。。。
还有就是,还要考虑文化的差异,马云今天的一篇博文也谈了他的人才观,文里谈到中
国文化里的忠义观念,最后的结论是挖墙角不如自己来培养自己的忠臣。。。
【在 c****3 的大作中提到】
: 这个人的PPT里其实宣扬的是金钱至上的文化。
: 程序员就是富士康的劳动力,我们要找最强壮的,最能扛大包,还喜欢听话,我们多给
: 你pay。你不能是smart jerk,我们不需要的时候,你就是good performance,就可以
: 把你一脚踢了,所以也不需要loyalty。
: 别人也可以这么想它,今天你是股市的top performance,一旦有天表现不好,我也可
: 以把你一脚踢了。
c*3
109 楼
就适合硅谷文化,上市在股市里捞一票,管理层捞足跑路,管它将来如何。
公司不可能永远在上升期,一旦进入低谷,这种文化,就会被员工以其人之道,还治其
人之身。
【在 L*****e 的大作中提到】
: 嗯,觉得netflix今天的制度有点像依靠雇佣兵打仗的制度。这种制度对于完成一个区
: 域性任务会很有效。。。但是大国博弈,必然要有养兵千日用在一时的时候,而且用人
: 还讲究一个人尽其才,因人而用。。。另外就是,一切因金钱来衡量价值也是有点简单
: 粗暴(也可能是适合它现阶段的需要),人的需求是多层次的,码工也不例外。。。
: 还有就是,还要考虑文化的差异,马云今天的一篇博文也谈了他的人才观,文里谈到中
: 国文化里的忠义观念,最后的结论是挖墙角不如自己来培养自己的忠臣。。。
公司不可能永远在上升期,一旦进入低谷,这种文化,就会被员工以其人之道,还治其
人之身。
【在 L*****e 的大作中提到】
: 嗯,觉得netflix今天的制度有点像依靠雇佣兵打仗的制度。这种制度对于完成一个区
: 域性任务会很有效。。。但是大国博弈,必然要有养兵千日用在一时的时候,而且用人
: 还讲究一个人尽其才,因人而用。。。另外就是,一切因金钱来衡量价值也是有点简单
: 粗暴(也可能是适合它现阶段的需要),人的需求是多层次的,码工也不例外。。。
: 还有就是,还要考虑文化的差异,马云今天的一篇博文也谈了他的人才观,文里谈到中
: 国文化里的忠义观念,最后的结论是挖墙角不如自己来培养自己的忠臣。。。
q*c
110 楼
g*g
111 楼
所谓忠诚,是资本家用来压榨下属的洗脑办法。公司不景气的时候,该裁员就裁员可没
商量。进来的时候是家人,出去的时候是生意。netflix好歹是个诚实的公司,这就是
生意,大家都是成年人,都为自己打算就对了。
大多公司上市久了,就是一堆摆老资格拿钱不干活的,舔老板舔得好实力不行照样压着
平辈鸡犬升天得。
这些都不是什么养兵千日,就是负能量而已。
【在 L*****e 的大作中提到】
: 嗯,觉得netflix今天的制度有点像依靠雇佣兵打仗的制度。这种制度对于完成一个区
: 域性任务会很有效。。。但是大国博弈,必然要有养兵千日用在一时的时候,而且用人
: 还讲究一个人尽其才,因人而用。。。另外就是,一切因金钱来衡量价值也是有点简单
: 粗暴(也可能是适合它现阶段的需要),人的需求是多层次的,码工也不例外。。。
: 还有就是,还要考虑文化的差异,马云今天的一篇博文也谈了他的人才观,文里谈到中
: 国文化里的忠义观念,最后的结论是挖墙角不如自己来培养自己的忠臣。。。
商量。进来的时候是家人,出去的时候是生意。netflix好歹是个诚实的公司,这就是
生意,大家都是成年人,都为自己打算就对了。
大多公司上市久了,就是一堆摆老资格拿钱不干活的,舔老板舔得好实力不行照样压着
平辈鸡犬升天得。
这些都不是什么养兵千日,就是负能量而已。
【在 L*****e 的大作中提到】
: 嗯,觉得netflix今天的制度有点像依靠雇佣兵打仗的制度。这种制度对于完成一个区
: 域性任务会很有效。。。但是大国博弈,必然要有养兵千日用在一时的时候,而且用人
: 还讲究一个人尽其才,因人而用。。。另外就是,一切因金钱来衡量价值也是有点简单
: 粗暴(也可能是适合它现阶段的需要),人的需求是多层次的,码工也不例外。。。
: 还有就是,还要考虑文化的差异,马云今天的一篇博文也谈了他的人才观,文里谈到中
: 国文化里的忠义观念,最后的结论是挖墙角不如自己来培养自己的忠臣。。。
g*g
112 楼
挖人就靠一个字,钱。硅谷不就看这个。前几年股市差的时候,还是很有竞争力的。
挖不到好的,就等着,弄烂人那是添倒忙。
【在 q*c 的大作中提到】
: 而且我们当年在亚麻这样不是牛屄无比的地方, 找人都要几个月才能找到不错的人。
: 要找 mflx 吹牛的那种, 我看一个位置得几年? 你公司不要活命了?
: 理想人人都知道好啊, 全世界最牛屄得人都给我服务, 而且我还能最短时间吧他们都
: 找到。其实都是胡扯。 把最关键得地方忽略不谈(怎么快速找到牛逼无比得人), 下
: 面得自然好扯。
: 就像我说要发财, 我不提怎么找到最好得商业模型, 也不提怎么打开起始市场, 假
: 设这两个都有了, 下面当然怎么胡扯我牛逼正确挣大钱都没错。
挖不到好的,就等着,弄烂人那是添倒忙。
【在 q*c 的大作中提到】
: 而且我们当年在亚麻这样不是牛屄无比的地方, 找人都要几个月才能找到不错的人。
: 要找 mflx 吹牛的那种, 我看一个位置得几年? 你公司不要活命了?
: 理想人人都知道好啊, 全世界最牛屄得人都给我服务, 而且我还能最短时间吧他们都
: 找到。其实都是胡扯。 把最关键得地方忽略不谈(怎么快速找到牛逼无比得人), 下
: 面得自然好扯。
: 就像我说要发财, 我不提怎么找到最好得商业模型, 也不提怎么打开起始市场, 假
: 设这两个都有了, 下面当然怎么胡扯我牛逼正确挣大钱都没错。
g*g
119 楼
不然,我对给烂人擦屁股深有体会,纯粹的负能量。招不到人,人手不够,干得慢,作
计划的时候就知道,还能向上面交代。人手够了,有短板,出不了活,就是全队找死的
节奏。
另一方面,写应用,绝大部分也不需要什么大牛。需要的就是匹配的经验,和肯干的态
度罢了。给contractor的工资,还有benefit, 愿意来的人不少。
Reed Hasting是工程师出身,创办NFLX并一直做CEO, 这种企业文化是跟大鱼诸如
blockbuster肉搏产生的生存之道,不是啥MBA想出来的。
【在 q*c 的大作中提到】
: 问题就在这里~ 你等不起。 因为 nflx 没法保证自己总是街上最有钱的公司,总能比
: 别人钱多,你的牛逼人总是各种原因或慢或快的流逝
: , 而你挖人是不能保证的,U最重要的是机会来了你没法快速扩张抓住机会!
: 没啥 silver bullet. 我个人觉得这不过是硅谷 mba 日弄傻瓜的东西而已
: 不幸的是,就像我前面说, 傻瓜真的很多。相信的人多了,不傻的也被一起坑了。
计划的时候就知道,还能向上面交代。人手够了,有短板,出不了活,就是全队找死的
节奏。
另一方面,写应用,绝大部分也不需要什么大牛。需要的就是匹配的经验,和肯干的态
度罢了。给contractor的工资,还有benefit, 愿意来的人不少。
Reed Hasting是工程师出身,创办NFLX并一直做CEO, 这种企业文化是跟大鱼诸如
blockbuster肉搏产生的生存之道,不是啥MBA想出来的。
【在 q*c 的大作中提到】
: 问题就在这里~ 你等不起。 因为 nflx 没法保证自己总是街上最有钱的公司,总能比
: 别人钱多,你的牛逼人总是各种原因或慢或快的流逝
: , 而你挖人是不能保证的,U最重要的是机会来了你没法快速扩张抓住机会!
: 没啥 silver bullet. 我个人觉得这不过是硅谷 mba 日弄傻瓜的东西而已
: 不幸的是,就像我前面说, 傻瓜真的很多。相信的人多了,不傻的也被一起坑了。
g*g
120 楼
就是份工作,又不是结婚。再说市场会变,市场需要的技能也会变,公司也要转型的。
netflix原来主要做DVD, C#.net的两层应用很多,现在streaming统统转到cloud上web
UI, java 后端。
与其指望原来这些人学习转型,不如直接裁了找些熟悉新技能的人。time to market
很重要。nflx说白了不就是像一个startup一样运作罢了。
这个culture deck又不是偷出来的,基本是个candidate都会看,HR还要跟你谈。
就是一个informed decision. 怕有风险没人逼你来不是。
【在 c****3 的大作中提到】
: 这种就是推卸责任。招人的时候可以严格把关,不轻易招。一旦招进来,就是你公司自
: 己的人。
: 人家可能为了这个职位,放弃很多东西,从很远的地方搬过来。被搞一个主观性很强的
: good performance,然后被lay-off
netflix原来主要做DVD, C#.net的两层应用很多,现在streaming统统转到cloud上web
UI, java 后端。
与其指望原来这些人学习转型,不如直接裁了找些熟悉新技能的人。time to market
很重要。nflx说白了不就是像一个startup一样运作罢了。
这个culture deck又不是偷出来的,基本是个candidate都会看,HR还要跟你谈。
就是一个informed decision. 怕有风险没人逼你来不是。
【在 c****3 的大作中提到】
: 这种就是推卸责任。招人的时候可以严格把关,不轻易招。一旦招进来,就是你公司自
: 己的人。
: 人家可能为了这个职位,放弃很多东西,从很远的地方搬过来。被搞一个主观性很强的
: good performance,然后被lay-off
d*f
121 楼
你必须认识到netflix根本不是it公司,这个公司其实可以直接把马宫外包出去,他们
选择增加员工工资减少员工数量就是他们认识到魏老师的说法是靠铺的。把工资提高一
倍,只找20%的人,其实公司还生了1半多的钱。公司真的需要这么多马宫么?严格说我
感觉大部分纯it公司像狗狗能砍2/3,组织差点的软软能砍4/5,至于非it公司的it部门
,砍90%都是笔者眼睛砍,全砍了都没事。
【在 q*c 的大作中提到】
: 而且我们当年在亚麻这样不是牛屄无比的地方, 找人都要几个月才能找到不错的人。
: 要找 mflx 吹牛的那种, 我看一个位置得几年? 你公司不要活命了?
: 理想人人都知道好啊, 全世界最牛屄得人都给我服务, 而且我还能最短时间吧他们都
: 找到。其实都是胡扯。 把最关键得地方忽略不谈(怎么快速找到牛逼无比得人), 下
: 面得自然好扯。
: 就像我说要发财, 我不提怎么找到最好得商业模型, 也不提怎么打开起始市场, 假
: 设这两个都有了, 下面当然怎么胡扯我牛逼正确挣大钱都没错。
选择增加员工工资减少员工数量就是他们认识到魏老师的说法是靠铺的。把工资提高一
倍,只找20%的人,其实公司还生了1半多的钱。公司真的需要这么多马宫么?严格说我
感觉大部分纯it公司像狗狗能砍2/3,组织差点的软软能砍4/5,至于非it公司的it部门
,砍90%都是笔者眼睛砍,全砍了都没事。
【在 q*c 的大作中提到】
: 而且我们当年在亚麻这样不是牛屄无比的地方, 找人都要几个月才能找到不错的人。
: 要找 mflx 吹牛的那种, 我看一个位置得几年? 你公司不要活命了?
: 理想人人都知道好啊, 全世界最牛屄得人都给我服务, 而且我还能最短时间吧他们都
: 找到。其实都是胡扯。 把最关键得地方忽略不谈(怎么快速找到牛逼无比得人), 下
: 面得自然好扯。
: 就像我说要发财, 我不提怎么找到最好得商业模型, 也不提怎么打开起始市场, 假
: 设这两个都有了, 下面当然怎么胡扯我牛逼正确挣大钱都没错。
d*f
123 楼
netflix不是it公司这不是我说的,我在google finance 搜索nflx,下面的同类公司显
示如下
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Company name Price Change Chg % d | m | y Mkt Cap
NFLX Netflix, Inc. 435.51 -1.04 -0.24% 26.05B
BLIAQ BB Liquidating Inc 0.0145 +0.0044 43.56% 3.18M
OUTR Outerwall Inc 72.26 -0.43 -0.59% 2.00B
CMCSA Comcast Corporation 53.70 +0.74 1.39% 140.45B
FOXA Twenty-First Cent... 32.59 +0.35 1.09% 73.55B
DIS The Walt Disney C... 79.23 +1.33 1.71% 138.82B
DISH DISH Network Corp 56.90 -1.42 -2.43% 26.05B
AMZN Amazon.com, Inc. 357.35 +0.15 0.04% 164.12B
TWX Time Warner Inc 65.30 +0.70 1.08% 58.44B
CBS CBS Corporation 64.96 +0.35 0.54% 39.04B
DIRECTV DIRECTV
【在 g*****g 的大作中提到】
: netflix是娱乐公司,google,facebook是广告公司,amazon是零售公司,这下你满足
: 了吧?
示如下
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Company name Price Change Chg % d | m | y Mkt Cap
NFLX Netflix, Inc. 435.51 -1.04 -0.24% 26.05B
BLIAQ BB Liquidating Inc 0.0145 +0.0044 43.56% 3.18M
OUTR Outerwall Inc 72.26 -0.43 -0.59% 2.00B
CMCSA Comcast Corporation 53.70 +0.74 1.39% 140.45B
FOXA Twenty-First Cent... 32.59 +0.35 1.09% 73.55B
DIS The Walt Disney C... 79.23 +1.33 1.71% 138.82B
DISH DISH Network Corp 56.90 -1.42 -2.43% 26.05B
AMZN Amazon.com, Inc. 357.35 +0.15 0.04% 164.12B
TWX Time Warner Inc 65.30 +0.70 1.08% 58.44B
CBS CBS Corporation 64.96 +0.35 0.54% 39.04B
DIRECTV DIRECTV
【在 g*****g 的大作中提到】
: netflix是娱乐公司,google,facebook是广告公司,amazon是零售公司,这下你满足
: 了吧?
c*3
124 楼
因为它不是IT公司,是提供服务的,才敢这么干。不关心员工对公司的loyalty
否则只是赤裸裸为了钱,做重要项目的时候,关键人物中间撂挑子不干,被其他公司用
更高价挖走,甚至半个team被挖走,都不是闹着玩的
web
【在 g*****g 的大作中提到】
: 就是份工作,又不是结婚。再说市场会变,市场需要的技能也会变,公司也要转型的。
: netflix原来主要做DVD, C#.net的两层应用很多,现在streaming统统转到cloud上web
: UI, java 后端。
: 与其指望原来这些人学习转型,不如直接裁了找些熟悉新技能的人。time to market
: 很重要。nflx说白了不就是像一个startup一样运作罢了。
: 这个culture deck又不是偷出来的,基本是个candidate都会看,HR还要跟你谈。
: 就是一个informed decision. 怕有风险没人逼你来不是。
否则只是赤裸裸为了钱,做重要项目的时候,关键人物中间撂挑子不干,被其他公司用
更高价挖走,甚至半个team被挖走,都不是闹着玩的
web
【在 g*****g 的大作中提到】
: 就是份工作,又不是结婚。再说市场会变,市场需要的技能也会变,公司也要转型的。
: netflix原来主要做DVD, C#.net的两层应用很多,现在streaming统统转到cloud上web
: UI, java 后端。
: 与其指望原来这些人学习转型,不如直接裁了找些熟悉新技能的人。time to market
: 很重要。nflx说白了不就是像一个startup一样运作罢了。
: 这个culture deck又不是偷出来的,基本是个candidate都会看,HR还要跟你谈。
: 就是一个informed decision. 怕有风险没人逼你来不是。
g*g
128 楼
So? 马鬃的最大竞争对手还是walmart呢。是啥公司看的是人,俺们公司估计得有70%
是engineer.
马鬃还雇了一堆推箱子的。
【在 d********f 的大作中提到】
: netflix不是it公司这不是我说的,我在google finance 搜索nflx,下面的同类公司显
: 示如下
: Settings | Technicals | Link to chart icon. Link to this view
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: Company name Price Change Chg % d | m | y Mkt Cap
: NFLX Netflix, Inc. 435.51 -1.04 -0.24% 26.05B
: BLIAQ BB Liquidating Inc 0.0145 +0.0044 43.56% 3.18M
是engineer.
马鬃还雇了一堆推箱子的。
【在 d********f 的大作中提到】
: netflix不是it公司这不是我说的,我在google finance 搜索nflx,下面的同类公司显
: 示如下
: Settings | Technicals | Link to chart icon. Link to this view
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: Related companies
: Show: Add or remove columns
: Valuation
: Company name Price Change Chg % d | m | y Mkt Cap
: NFLX Netflix, Inc. 435.51 -1.04 -0.24% 26.05B
: BLIAQ BB Liquidating Inc 0.0145 +0.0044 43.56% 3.18M
a*a
129 楼
netflix哪年能做到 real and consistent HD streaming啊。现在要弄个3000bps的码
率,还得进 hidden menu。我的下载速度测出来是60Mbps啊。
搞什么都是假的,搞定ISP,突破带宽瓶颈是真的。
话说现在HR都不叫HR啦,花街叫human capital management,硅谷叫talent office?
率,还得进 hidden menu。我的下载速度测出来是60Mbps啊。
搞什么都是假的,搞定ISP,突破带宽瓶颈是真的。
话说现在HR都不叫HR啦,花街叫human capital management,硅谷叫talent office?
R*E
132 楼
看来师傅发的
在哪都能上主页
企业文化和人才培养
对可持续性发展还是很重要的
在哪都能上主页
企业文化和人才培养
对可持续性发展还是很重要的
d*n
133 楼
刚刚把126页都看了
很有新意
应该是NFLX在实践中领会摸索的
没什么丛林法则什么的
别人照搬是没用的
如果NFLX在seattle开个office
我倒是想去看看
很有新意
应该是NFLX在实践中领会摸索的
没什么丛林法则什么的
别人照搬是没用的
如果NFLX在seattle开个office
我倒是想去看看
R*E
134 楼
Undoubtedly, the life cirle of a company is dynamic. At different stage, the
power balance would be different.
On the other hand, any organization has to have the culture embracing
disciplined ongoing operation and innovation with high degree of
uncertainties for sustainable growth.
Thank you for sharing this article. I do like the autonomy in the Netflix. '
startups' could exist inside of large organizations. Especially, the ones
are willing to be self-disruptive for long-term growth. I was told that
google is doing a great job and might crack the code in establish the
culture supporting efficient ongoing operations and innovation initiatives
at the same time.
It is possible to achieve 'the fourth option' with strong leadership and
team building. GE is a good example, at least when under Jack's leadership.
However, it is very hard. That is why we only have one GE, one google, etc..
M$, in my opinion, has great potential. It still has very strong performance
engine for its ongoing operation. Now it is time for it build strong
innovation arm. M$ has brilliant engineers with brilliant ideas. Moving to
the other side of the innovation, execution, a strong senior leaders and
innovation leaders team is needed.
【在 L*****e 的大作中提到】
: 我还真把126页都过了一遍,觉得netflix的企业文化其实挺适合魏老师的,当然,要和
: 好虫分在不同的组。。。
: 不过也确实如qxc说的,一个公司的文化多数情况只适合这个公司或者这类公司,甚至
: 也就只适合这个公司的某一发展阶段,没有放之四海而皆准的文化和制度。比如说它所
: 谓的the fourth option: avoid chaos as you grow with ever more high
: performance people这一条到公司成长到一定阶段后,就很难做到。。。
: 另外,Top of Market那一段的三个问题,对于未自己创业而打工的码工还是挺有意义
: 的。每个打工的码工都应每日“三省吾身”:
: 1. Where could I go elsewhere?
: 2. What would my boss pay for a replacement?
power balance would be different.
On the other hand, any organization has to have the culture embracing
disciplined ongoing operation and innovation with high degree of
uncertainties for sustainable growth.
Thank you for sharing this article. I do like the autonomy in the Netflix. '
startups' could exist inside of large organizations. Especially, the ones
are willing to be self-disruptive for long-term growth. I was told that
google is doing a great job and might crack the code in establish the
culture supporting efficient ongoing operations and innovation initiatives
at the same time.
It is possible to achieve 'the fourth option' with strong leadership and
team building. GE is a good example, at least when under Jack's leadership.
However, it is very hard. That is why we only have one GE, one google, etc..
M$, in my opinion, has great potential. It still has very strong performance
engine for its ongoing operation. Now it is time for it build strong
innovation arm. M$ has brilliant engineers with brilliant ideas. Moving to
the other side of the innovation, execution, a strong senior leaders and
innovation leaders team is needed.
【在 L*****e 的大作中提到】
: 我还真把126页都过了一遍,觉得netflix的企业文化其实挺适合魏老师的,当然,要和
: 好虫分在不同的组。。。
: 不过也确实如qxc说的,一个公司的文化多数情况只适合这个公司或者这类公司,甚至
: 也就只适合这个公司的某一发展阶段,没有放之四海而皆准的文化和制度。比如说它所
: 谓的the fourth option: avoid chaos as you grow with ever more high
: performance people这一条到公司成长到一定阶段后,就很难做到。。。
: 另外,Top of Market那一段的三个问题,对于未自己创业而打工的码工还是挺有意义
: 的。每个打工的码工都应每日“三省吾身”:
: 1. Where could I go elsewhere?
: 2. What would my boss pay for a replacement?
R*E
135 楼
Xifu,
Agree with you. On the other hand,
Do you believe people could be motivated with right incentives and people
get what they measure?
。。
【在 L*****e 的大作中提到】
: 嗯,觉得netflix今天的制度有点像依靠雇佣兵打仗的制度。这种制度对于完成一个区
: 域性任务会很有效。。。但是大国博弈,必然要有养兵千日用在一时的时候,而且用人
: 还讲究一个人尽其才,因人而用。。。另外就是,一切因金钱来衡量价值也是有点简单
: 粗暴(也可能是适合它现阶段的需要),人的需求是多层次的,码工也不例外。。。
: 还有就是,还要考虑文化的差异,马云今天的一篇博文也谈了他的人才观,文里谈到中
: 国文化里的忠义观念,最后的结论是挖墙角不如自己来培养自己的忠臣。。。
Agree with you. On the other hand,
Do you believe people could be motivated with right incentives and people
get what they measure?
。。
【在 L*****e 的大作中提到】
: 嗯,觉得netflix今天的制度有点像依靠雇佣兵打仗的制度。这种制度对于完成一个区
: 域性任务会很有效。。。但是大国博弈,必然要有养兵千日用在一时的时候,而且用人
: 还讲究一个人尽其才,因人而用。。。另外就是,一切因金钱来衡量价值也是有点简单
: 粗暴(也可能是适合它现阶段的需要),人的需求是多层次的,码工也不例外。。。
: 还有就是,还要考虑文化的差异,马云今天的一篇博文也谈了他的人才观,文里谈到中
: 国文化里的忠义观念,最后的结论是挖墙角不如自己来培养自己的忠臣。。。
R*E
136 楼
Jack Ma is a fast learner. In the Ali group, he successfully integrated GE's
organizational structure & talent development strategy and business models
of eBay, Paypal, and amazon. Moreover, he is now moving to building massive
distributions, which is a learning outcome from amazon. Doing that in China
has it own charllenges. We'd like to wait and see...
As for Netflix, it is trying to decrease fix costs, which is very helpful
during the recessions.
Indeed, the non-financial incentives sometimes could be much powerful than
financial ones.
【在 L*****e 的大作中提到】
: 嗯,觉得netflix今天的制度有点像依靠雇佣兵打仗的制度。这种制度对于完成一个区
: 域性任务会很有效。。。但是大国博弈,必然要有养兵千日用在一时的时候,而且用人
: 还讲究一个人尽其才,因人而用。。。另外就是,一切因金钱来衡量价值也是有点简单
: 粗暴(也可能是适合它现阶段的需要),人的需求是多层次的,码工也不例外。。。
: 还有就是,还要考虑文化的差异,马云今天的一篇博文也谈了他的人才观,文里谈到中
: 国文化里的忠义观念,最后的结论是挖墙角不如自己来培养自己的忠臣。。。
organizational structure & talent development strategy and business models
of eBay, Paypal, and amazon. Moreover, he is now moving to building massive
distributions, which is a learning outcome from amazon. Doing that in China
has it own charllenges. We'd like to wait and see...
As for Netflix, it is trying to decrease fix costs, which is very helpful
during the recessions.
Indeed, the non-financial incentives sometimes could be much powerful than
financial ones.
【在 L*****e 的大作中提到】
: 嗯,觉得netflix今天的制度有点像依靠雇佣兵打仗的制度。这种制度对于完成一个区
: 域性任务会很有效。。。但是大国博弈,必然要有养兵千日用在一时的时候,而且用人
: 还讲究一个人尽其才,因人而用。。。另外就是,一切因金钱来衡量价值也是有点简单
: 粗暴(也可能是适合它现阶段的需要),人的需求是多层次的,码工也不例外。。。
: 还有就是,还要考虑文化的差异,马云今天的一篇博文也谈了他的人才观,文里谈到中
: 国文化里的忠义观念,最后的结论是挖墙角不如自己来培养自己的忠臣。。。
q*c
137 楼
其实这都不是根本问题, 软软前这么多年不是每年干地下的人嘛?百分比和 nflx 每
年实际干的人差不多啊,根本屁用没有。
这就完全说明了这种不行就走人的策略毫无意义。 为什么?
因为问题就处在谁来评定,和如何评定, 不行的项目里面到底谁不行,这个关键问题
上。
当公司上升的时候,有大批实干的人,这个问题好办。问题就是当公司内烂人积累到了
一定程度的时候,或者当商业进入瓶颈期,短时间内干好干坏不会要命的时候, 呵呵
,就会开始逆向淘汰了。
这东西是根植在人这种低等生物本性中的劣根性,想解决是没戏的。
【在 c****3 的大作中提到】
: 因为它不是IT公司,是提供服务的,才敢这么干。不关心员工对公司的loyalty
: 否则只是赤裸裸为了钱,做重要项目的时候,关键人物中间撂挑子不干,被其他公司用
: 更高价挖走,甚至半个team被挖走,都不是闹着玩的
:
: web
年实际干的人差不多啊,根本屁用没有。
这就完全说明了这种不行就走人的策略毫无意义。 为什么?
因为问题就处在谁来评定,和如何评定, 不行的项目里面到底谁不行,这个关键问题
上。
当公司上升的时候,有大批实干的人,这个问题好办。问题就是当公司内烂人积累到了
一定程度的时候,或者当商业进入瓶颈期,短时间内干好干坏不会要命的时候, 呵呵
,就会开始逆向淘汰了。
这东西是根植在人这种低等生物本性中的劣根性,想解决是没戏的。
【在 c****3 的大作中提到】
: 因为它不是IT公司,是提供服务的,才敢这么干。不关心员工对公司的loyalty
: 否则只是赤裸裸为了钱,做重要项目的时候,关键人物中间撂挑子不干,被其他公司用
: 更高价挖走,甚至半个team被挖走,都不是闹着玩的
:
: web
g*g
138 楼
这个不一样呀,软软那个是典型的末位淘汰,老板说了算,有配额,大家诚惶诚恐,走
人的多半都是小兵。
netflix这个是没配额的,老板权利大压力也大,你可以换人来干活,但最后不出活自
己都得走人。底下要是个个能干活老板没有折腾的必要。
【在 q*c 的大作中提到】
: 其实这都不是根本问题, 软软前这么多年不是每年干地下的人嘛?百分比和 nflx 每
: 年实际干的人差不多啊,根本屁用没有。
: 这就完全说明了这种不行就走人的策略毫无意义。 为什么?
: 因为问题就处在谁来评定,和如何评定, 不行的项目里面到底谁不行,这个关键问题
: 上。
: 当公司上升的时候,有大批实干的人,这个问题好办。问题就是当公司内烂人积累到了
: 一定程度的时候,或者当商业进入瓶颈期,短时间内干好干坏不会要命的时候, 呵呵
: ,就会开始逆向淘汰了。
: 这东西是根植在人这种低等生物本性中的劣根性,想解决是没戏的。
人的多半都是小兵。
netflix这个是没配额的,老板权利大压力也大,你可以换人来干活,但最后不出活自
己都得走人。底下要是个个能干活老板没有折腾的必要。
【在 q*c 的大作中提到】
: 其实这都不是根本问题, 软软前这么多年不是每年干地下的人嘛?百分比和 nflx 每
: 年实际干的人差不多啊,根本屁用没有。
: 这就完全说明了这种不行就走人的策略毫无意义。 为什么?
: 因为问题就处在谁来评定,和如何评定, 不行的项目里面到底谁不行,这个关键问题
: 上。
: 当公司上升的时候,有大批实干的人,这个问题好办。问题就是当公司内烂人积累到了
: 一定程度的时候,或者当商业进入瓶颈期,短时间内干好干坏不会要命的时候, 呵呵
: ,就会开始逆向淘汰了。
: 这东西是根植在人这种低等生物本性中的劣根性,想解决是没戏的。
L*e
143 楼
多谢右右师姐分享心得。。。
the
'
【在 R******E 的大作中提到】
: Undoubtedly, the life cirle of a company is dynamic. At different stage, the
: power balance would be different.
: On the other hand, any organization has to have the culture embracing
: disciplined ongoing operation and innovation with high degree of
: uncertainties for sustainable growth.
: Thank you for sharing this article. I do like the autonomy in the Netflix. '
: startups' could exist inside of large organizations. Especially, the ones
: are willing to be self-disruptive for long-term growth. I was told that
: google is doing a great job and might crack the code in establish the
: culture supporting efficient ongoing operations and innovation initiatives
the
'
【在 R******E 的大作中提到】
: Undoubtedly, the life cirle of a company is dynamic. At different stage, the
: power balance would be different.
: On the other hand, any organization has to have the culture embracing
: disciplined ongoing operation and innovation with high degree of
: uncertainties for sustainable growth.
: Thank you for sharing this article. I do like the autonomy in the Netflix. '
: startups' could exist inside of large organizations. Especially, the ones
: are willing to be self-disruptive for long-term growth. I was told that
: google is doing a great job and might crack the code in establish the
: culture supporting efficient ongoing operations and innovation initiatives
c*3
144 楼
项目做不好走人,很多公司都在或多或少的做,但没有人放在嘴上说什么要high
performance,good performance就会被lay-off。
首先,找不到那么多high performance的人,而且什么是high performance太主观。公
司以这种理由lay-off人,肯定会臭名远扬的,以后更难找人。
其次,从法律上,没法阻止关键人物,在项目关键时刻撂挑子跳槽,完全取决这个人的
道德观和责任感。公司随便lay-off人,自然不能指望员工对公司有道德责任。所以没
有道德和责任的结果就像中国那样,关键时刻可以撂挑子,甚至你的代码和客户都带走。
【在 q*c 的大作中提到】
: 其实这都不是根本问题, 软软前这么多年不是每年干地下的人嘛?百分比和 nflx 每
: 年实际干的人差不多啊,根本屁用没有。
: 这就完全说明了这种不行就走人的策略毫无意义。 为什么?
: 因为问题就处在谁来评定,和如何评定, 不行的项目里面到底谁不行,这个关键问题
: 上。
: 当公司上升的时候,有大批实干的人,这个问题好办。问题就是当公司内烂人积累到了
: 一定程度的时候,或者当商业进入瓶颈期,短时间内干好干坏不会要命的时候, 呵呵
: ,就会开始逆向淘汰了。
: 这东西是根植在人这种低等生物本性中的劣根性,想解决是没戏的。
performance,good performance就会被lay-off。
首先,找不到那么多high performance的人,而且什么是high performance太主观。公
司以这种理由lay-off人,肯定会臭名远扬的,以后更难找人。
其次,从法律上,没法阻止关键人物,在项目关键时刻撂挑子跳槽,完全取决这个人的
道德观和责任感。公司随便lay-off人,自然不能指望员工对公司有道德责任。所以没
有道德和责任的结果就像中国那样,关键时刻可以撂挑子,甚至你的代码和客户都带走。
【在 q*c 的大作中提到】
: 其实这都不是根本问题, 软软前这么多年不是每年干地下的人嘛?百分比和 nflx 每
: 年实际干的人差不多啊,根本屁用没有。
: 这就完全说明了这种不行就走人的策略毫无意义。 为什么?
: 因为问题就处在谁来评定,和如何评定, 不行的项目里面到底谁不行,这个关键问题
: 上。
: 当公司上升的时候,有大批实干的人,这个问题好办。问题就是当公司内烂人积累到了
: 一定程度的时候,或者当商业进入瓶颈期,短时间内干好干坏不会要命的时候, 呵呵
: ,就会开始逆向淘汰了。
: 这东西是根植在人这种低等生物本性中的劣根性,想解决是没戏的。
a*a
145 楼
昨晚看到netflix的大幅广告。House of Card 2nd season available.
打开episode 1放了两分钟,停了。咱要求不高,去洗了个澡,回来,还停在那!重新
load,告诉无法播放,稍后再试。
用这个水准卖火车票?HTF这么干,早亏费了。被老板一个耳刮子扇出办公楼。
打开episode 1放了两分钟,停了。咱要求不高,去洗了个澡,回来,还停在那!重新
load,告诉无法播放,稍后再试。
用这个水准卖火车票?HTF这么干,早亏费了。被老板一个耳刮子扇出办公楼。
a*a
146 楼
boy, netflix sucks.
昨天晚上到今天早上,试了好几次看house of card。根本没法看。码率一直在300。即
便我在隐藏菜单里设了3000,播放码率也不提到,基本就是3000的buffer码率根本存不
到东西。300的码率看上去就是一砣。
Now the punch: 今天中午,国内的网站已经有了全部第二季的13集,720p, 中英双字
!用一个下载机器人,5到10分钟可以下一集!
now I feel seriously stupid paying for my netflix membership.
昨天晚上到今天早上,试了好几次看house of card。根本没法看。码率一直在300。即
便我在隐藏菜单里设了3000,播放码率也不提到,基本就是3000的buffer码率根本存不
到东西。300的码率看上去就是一砣。
Now the punch: 今天中午,国内的网站已经有了全部第二季的13集,720p, 中英双字
!用一个下载机器人,5到10分钟可以下一集!
now I feel seriously stupid paying for my netflix membership.
c*3
147 楼
国内的视频网站现在搞得好,在线视频,1080p,720p有乐视盒子,小米盒子之类的专
门网络播放器。乐视网的我是歌手第二季,全屏播放超过5亿人次,流量比美国的视频
网站高多了。
乐视流媒体服务器是用C++写的,所以能撑住这种流量。好奇看了它的流媒体招聘广告
,要求是C/C++开发,熟悉DSS、Helix等项目,有Linux平台开发经验
【在 a*********a 的大作中提到】
: boy, netflix sucks.
: 昨天晚上到今天早上,试了好几次看house of card。根本没法看。码率一直在300。即
: 便我在隐藏菜单里设了3000,播放码率也不提到,基本就是3000的buffer码率根本存不
: 到东西。300的码率看上去就是一砣。
: Now the punch: 今天中午,国内的网站已经有了全部第二季的13集,720p, 中英双字
: !用一个下载机器人,5到10分钟可以下一集!
: now I feel seriously stupid paying for my netflix membership.
门网络播放器。乐视网的我是歌手第二季,全屏播放超过5亿人次,流量比美国的视频
网站高多了。
乐视流媒体服务器是用C++写的,所以能撑住这种流量。好奇看了它的流媒体招聘广告
,要求是C/C++开发,熟悉DSS、Helix等项目,有Linux平台开发经验
【在 a*********a 的大作中提到】
: boy, netflix sucks.
: 昨天晚上到今天早上,试了好几次看house of card。根本没法看。码率一直在300。即
: 便我在隐藏菜单里设了3000,播放码率也不提到,基本就是3000的buffer码率根本存不
: 到东西。300的码率看上去就是一砣。
: Now the punch: 今天中午,国内的网站已经有了全部第二季的13集,720p, 中英双字
: !用一个下载机器人,5到10分钟可以下一集!
: now I feel seriously stupid paying for my netflix membership.
g*g
148 楼
Comcast or Verizon? A VPN can fix your problem. It's 4K resolution if you
have the bandwidth and device.
【在 a*********a 的大作中提到】
: boy, netflix sucks.
: 昨天晚上到今天早上,试了好几次看house of card。根本没法看。码率一直在300。即
: 便我在隐藏菜单里设了3000,播放码率也不提到,基本就是3000的buffer码率根本存不
: 到东西。300的码率看上去就是一砣。
: Now the punch: 今天中午,国内的网站已经有了全部第二季的13集,720p, 中英双字
: !用一个下载机器人,5到10分钟可以下一集!
: now I feel seriously stupid paying for my netflix membership.
have the bandwidth and device.
【在 a*********a 的大作中提到】
: boy, netflix sucks.
: 昨天晚上到今天早上,试了好几次看house of card。根本没法看。码率一直在300。即
: 便我在隐藏菜单里设了3000,播放码率也不提到,基本就是3000的buffer码率根本存不
: 到东西。300的码率看上去就是一砣。
: Now the punch: 今天中午,国内的网站已经有了全部第二季的13集,720p, 中英双字
: !用一个下载机器人,5到10分钟可以下一集!
: now I feel seriously stupid paying for my netflix membership.
o*m
149 楼
好帖留名
a*a
150 楼
I see two obvious technological solutions solely on Netflix' part to end
this netflix/Cogent vs Verizon/Comcast situation.
1. Netflix could charge an additional 2-5$ fee for users who demand HD video
quality. Just like you charge $2 more for BluRay delivery service. I am
happy to pay the fee, but after I paid extra, my connection to netflix
better be directed through unhindered hubs, not those crappy Cogent
Communication hubs. Netflix should use the revenue from this extra charge to
pay ISPs for infrastructure supporting the network load it creates.
2. Netflix could develop a dedicated player in addition to the Silverlight
based web player. Almost all streaming companies in China has their
dedicated player. The player should support "download then play local". It
is fine if the player must log in to netflix servers to authenticate for DRM
purpose. Amazon prime offers such feature. This smooths out the network
load through time, reducing the demand on bandwidth.
The silverlight based DRM is a joke anyway. within 12 hours of the posting
of House of Card Season 2, all 13 episodes are available from Chinese
websites with reasonable video quality.
Apparently as of now, Netflix does not offer either of these technology. All
it can do is buy bandwidth from ISPs like Cogent Communication whose
business model is to sell whole sale bandwidth dirt cheap, then dump the
load onto other ISPs who invested heavily on the last mile distribution
network.
As an end user, I have a contract with my ISP.
【在 g*****g 的大作中提到】
: Comcast or Verizon? A VPN can fix your problem. It's 4K resolution if you
: have the bandwidth and device.
this netflix/Cogent vs Verizon/Comcast situation.
1. Netflix could charge an additional 2-5$ fee for users who demand HD video
quality. Just like you charge $2 more for BluRay delivery service. I am
happy to pay the fee, but after I paid extra, my connection to netflix
better be directed through unhindered hubs, not those crappy Cogent
Communication hubs. Netflix should use the revenue from this extra charge to
pay ISPs for infrastructure supporting the network load it creates.
2. Netflix could develop a dedicated player in addition to the Silverlight
based web player. Almost all streaming companies in China has their
dedicated player. The player should support "download then play local". It
is fine if the player must log in to netflix servers to authenticate for DRM
purpose. Amazon prime offers such feature. This smooths out the network
load through time, reducing the demand on bandwidth.
The silverlight based DRM is a joke anyway. within 12 hours of the posting
of House of Card Season 2, all 13 episodes are available from Chinese
websites with reasonable video quality.
Apparently as of now, Netflix does not offer either of these technology. All
it can do is buy bandwidth from ISPs like Cogent Communication whose
business model is to sell whole sale bandwidth dirt cheap, then dump the
load onto other ISPs who invested heavily on the last mile distribution
network.
As an end user, I have a contract with my ISP.
【在 g*****g 的大作中提到】
: Comcast or Verizon? A VPN can fix your problem. It's 4K resolution if you
: have the bandwidth and device.
g*g
151 楼
Very naive, the hold up is on ISP side, Netflix provides a free CDN and ISPs
wouldn't want to to peer without charging a huge fee. You may be the one
that doesn't mind pay some extra, many do. A business decision can't be that
simple.
And I don't know a standalone client is better than a browser based one.
That's just naive. A browser client is less likely to have virus and more
likely to be adopted any day of the week. And Netflix doesn't have the
license to allow download. All streaming license are very strict in its
usage. Plus, at best 20% of users are using PC/Mac. Maybe it's time for you
to get a smarttv, game console, bluray, roku or chromecast.
Compare license to China is also a joke, English content is dirty cheap in
China. Just like Chinese content is dirty cheap in US.
video
to
【在 a*********a 的大作中提到】
: I see two obvious technological solutions solely on Netflix' part to end
: this netflix/Cogent vs Verizon/Comcast situation.
: 1. Netflix could charge an additional 2-5$ fee for users who demand HD video
: quality. Just like you charge $2 more for BluRay delivery service. I am
: happy to pay the fee, but after I paid extra, my connection to netflix
: better be directed through unhindered hubs, not those crappy Cogent
: Communication hubs. Netflix should use the revenue from this extra charge to
: pay ISPs for infrastructure supporting the network load it creates.
: 2. Netflix could develop a dedicated player in addition to the Silverlight
: based web player. Almost all streaming companies in China has their
wouldn't want to to peer without charging a huge fee. You may be the one
that doesn't mind pay some extra, many do. A business decision can't be that
simple.
And I don't know a standalone client is better than a browser based one.
That's just naive. A browser client is less likely to have virus and more
likely to be adopted any day of the week. And Netflix doesn't have the
license to allow download. All streaming license are very strict in its
usage. Plus, at best 20% of users are using PC/Mac. Maybe it's time for you
to get a smarttv, game console, bluray, roku or chromecast.
Compare license to China is also a joke, English content is dirty cheap in
China. Just like Chinese content is dirty cheap in US.
video
to
【在 a*********a 的大作中提到】
: I see two obvious technological solutions solely on Netflix' part to end
: this netflix/Cogent vs Verizon/Comcast situation.
: 1. Netflix could charge an additional 2-5$ fee for users who demand HD video
: quality. Just like you charge $2 more for BluRay delivery service. I am
: happy to pay the fee, but after I paid extra, my connection to netflix
: better be directed through unhindered hubs, not those crappy Cogent
: Communication hubs. Netflix should use the revenue from this extra charge to
: pay ISPs for infrastructure supporting the network load it creates.
: 2. Netflix could develop a dedicated player in addition to the Silverlight
: based web player. Almost all streaming companies in China has their
a*a
152 楼
ISPs
that
Which ISP? Your Cogent Communication or my Verizon? So it stands that
Netflix's business model could not afford to pay for its last mile delivery.
I wonder what would happen to Amazon if they do not pay UPS.
Again, it just supports the argument that at the core, Netflix problem is a
business one, not technological one. Netflix must strike a deal with the
last mile ISPs, or it has to get into the business of building its own high
bandwidtch last mile delivery system. Either of which means netflix must
share its profit with the ISPs who deliver its content to the end users.
So again, Netflix's business model could not afford to pay for a more
flexible license as Amazon does? Call licensing in China whatever you want,
but I am actually watching House of Card through them. How pathetic is that?
A stand alone player will also benefit Linux users. A lot of small box HTPC
are powered by Linux + a XBMC type of front end. As of now, I could not get
Netflix working on the linux HTPC in my bedroom.
I have two smart TVs, one 80" and one 70". The app on the TVs actually
delivered the best video quality once upon a time. I suspect they force some
minimal bit rate. but currently, netflix is nothing more than a bunch of
colored squares or a rotating circle on those big screens. I also have two
game consoles, including a PS3 on which netflix offers the new interface,
but if I can not get the content to my screens with acceptable quality, what
s the point?
you recommended a VPN did you? ever tried making that suggestion to your
smarttv, game console, roku, chromecast users?
【在 g*****g 的大作中提到】
: Very naive, the hold up is on ISP side, Netflix provides a free CDN and ISPs
: wouldn't want to to peer without charging a huge fee. You may be the one
: that doesn't mind pay some extra, many do. A business decision can't be that
: simple.
: And I don't know a standalone client is better than a browser based one.
: That's just naive. A browser client is less likely to have virus and more
: likely to be adopted any day of the week. And Netflix doesn't have the
: license to allow download. All streaming license are very strict in its
: usage. Plus, at best 20% of users are using PC/Mac. Maybe it's time for you
: to get a smarttv, game console, bluray, roku or chromecast.
g*g
153 楼
Do you work for Verizon? You pay Verizon a high bandwidth fee mostly for
streaming. You ask to download from netflix, not netflix asks to dump it
randomly on Verizon. Verizon already gets paid. The peering works for all
ISP in Europe and Canada, all small Isp in US, just not the big 4 who have a
monopoly in the market. It's clearly who's at fault here. Sure Netflix can
agree to pay, but the cost will pass down to consumers, sooner or later.
Don't forget Verzon etc have used tax subsidy and free land to build their
infrastructure, they want to triple dip.
streaming. You ask to download from netflix, not netflix asks to dump it
randomly on Verizon. Verizon already gets paid. The peering works for all
ISP in Europe and Canada, all small Isp in US, just not the big 4 who have a
monopoly in the market. It's clearly who's at fault here. Sure Netflix can
agree to pay, but the cost will pass down to consumers, sooner or later.
Don't forget Verzon etc have used tax subsidy and free land to build their
infrastructure, they want to triple dip.
h*s
154 楼
今天的wsj好像说netflix答应给comcast钱了...
买路钱啊
ISPs
that
you
【在 g*****g 的大作中提到】
: Very naive, the hold up is on ISP side, Netflix provides a free CDN and ISPs
: wouldn't want to to peer without charging a huge fee. You may be the one
: that doesn't mind pay some extra, many do. A business decision can't be that
: simple.
: And I don't know a standalone client is better than a browser based one.
: That's just naive. A browser client is less likely to have virus and more
: likely to be adopted any day of the week. And Netflix doesn't have the
: license to allow download. All streaming license are very strict in its
: usage. Plus, at best 20% of users are using PC/Mac. Maybe it's time for you
: to get a smarttv, game console, bluray, roku or chromecast.
买路钱啊
ISPs
that
you
【在 g*****g 的大作中提到】
: Very naive, the hold up is on ISP side, Netflix provides a free CDN and ISPs
: wouldn't want to to peer without charging a huge fee. You may be the one
: that doesn't mind pay some extra, many do. A business decision can't be that
: simple.
: And I don't know a standalone client is better than a browser based one.
: That's just naive. A browser client is less likely to have virus and more
: likely to be adopted any day of the week. And Netflix doesn't have the
: license to allow download. All streaming license are very strict in its
: usage. Plus, at best 20% of users are using PC/Mac. Maybe it's time for you
: to get a smarttv, game console, bluray, roku or chromecast.
a*a
157 楼
no I don't work for Verizon. I work in the financial sector as I have said
before in this BBS.
I asked Netflix to ship its products to me and I paid for it. I don't really
care how they get to me, just that they reach me at their promised price
with the promised quality.
As it stood, the products were highly defect. And by your argument, all
vendors using USPS should offer free shipping since that is an even highly
subsidized shipping method.
I pay Verizon for bandwidth and I have no complaints on any other
applications except Netflix. I stream my own video and music to internet and
watch them when I not at home, no problem, watch, download Chinese TV shows
and movies in 720p, no problem. All season on my hard drive within an hour.
Any way, Netflix's #1 challenge is not technology but business. You want to
use ISPs' last mile delivery free, fine, convince them to do it sooner
better than later. That takes not programmers, but business people to
acquire more contents, negotiate, litigate and lobby.
a
can
【在 g*****g 的大作中提到】
: Do you work for Verizon? You pay Verizon a high bandwidth fee mostly for
: streaming. You ask to download from netflix, not netflix asks to dump it
: randomly on Verizon. Verizon already gets paid. The peering works for all
: ISP in Europe and Canada, all small Isp in US, just not the big 4 who have a
: monopoly in the market. It's clearly who's at fault here. Sure Netflix can
: agree to pay, but the cost will pass down to consumers, sooner or later.
: Don't forget Verzon etc have used tax subsidy and free land to build their
: infrastructure, they want to triple dip.
before in this BBS.
I asked Netflix to ship its products to me and I paid for it. I don't really
care how they get to me, just that they reach me at their promised price
with the promised quality.
As it stood, the products were highly defect. And by your argument, all
vendors using USPS should offer free shipping since that is an even highly
subsidized shipping method.
I pay Verizon for bandwidth and I have no complaints on any other
applications except Netflix. I stream my own video and music to internet and
watch them when I not at home, no problem, watch, download Chinese TV shows
and movies in 720p, no problem. All season on my hard drive within an hour.
Any way, Netflix's #1 challenge is not technology but business. You want to
use ISPs' last mile delivery free, fine, convince them to do it sooner
better than later. That takes not programmers, but business people to
acquire more contents, negotiate, litigate and lobby.
a
can
【在 g*****g 的大作中提到】
: Do you work for Verizon? You pay Verizon a high bandwidth fee mostly for
: streaming. You ask to download from netflix, not netflix asks to dump it
: randomly on Verizon. Verizon already gets paid. The peering works for all
: ISP in Europe and Canada, all small Isp in US, just not the big 4 who have a
: monopoly in the market. It's clearly who's at fault here. Sure Netflix can
: agree to pay, but the cost will pass down to consumers, sooner or later.
: Don't forget Verzon etc have used tax subsidy and free land to build their
: infrastructure, they want to triple dip.
g*g
158 楼
It wasn't like Netflix doesn't have enough server or cdn for delivery.
Verizon simply refuses to upgrade the connection to netflix unless being
paid. Netflix users ask and pay the download, if netflix has to pay again.
It's like USPS charges recipients too. Again, anywhere in the world ISP
doesn't have a monopoly, this doesn't happen.
It's verizon responsibility to ensure they have adequate devices to meet
their customer's needs, which is already paid. I don't see why Netflix
should pay for the upgrade.
really
and
【在 a*********a 的大作中提到】
: no I don't work for Verizon. I work in the financial sector as I have said
: before in this BBS.
: I asked Netflix to ship its products to me and I paid for it. I don't really
: care how they get to me, just that they reach me at their promised price
: with the promised quality.
: As it stood, the products were highly defect. And by your argument, all
: vendors using USPS should offer free shipping since that is an even highly
: subsidized shipping method.
: I pay Verizon for bandwidth and I have no complaints on any other
: applications except Netflix. I stream my own video and music to internet and
Verizon simply refuses to upgrade the connection to netflix unless being
paid. Netflix users ask and pay the download, if netflix has to pay again.
It's like USPS charges recipients too. Again, anywhere in the world ISP
doesn't have a monopoly, this doesn't happen.
It's verizon responsibility to ensure they have adequate devices to meet
their customer's needs, which is already paid. I don't see why Netflix
should pay for the upgrade.
really
and
【在 a*********a 的大作中提到】
: no I don't work for Verizon. I work in the financial sector as I have said
: before in this BBS.
: I asked Netflix to ship its products to me and I paid for it. I don't really
: care how they get to me, just that they reach me at their promised price
: with the promised quality.
: As it stood, the products were highly defect. And by your argument, all
: vendors using USPS should offer free shipping since that is an even highly
: subsidized shipping method.
: I pay Verizon for bandwidth and I have no complaints on any other
: applications except Netflix. I stream my own video and music to internet and
a*a
159 楼
I m not sure what you mean by monopoly.
Here I have 3 ISP to choose from: Verizon, Cable Vision and Dish. Forget
about Dish which is not a real contender. Cable Vision and Verizon offers
similar services at similar prices. Completely independent hardware from the
street all the way to the switch box in my basement. That s hardly a
monopoly by Verizon as I see it. As a matter of fact, over the last few
years, I have used Cable Vision and Verizon each half of the time since they
offer deep discount if you switch.
Verizon has its own problem like that stupid router that I have to by pass.
But their connection is robust and faster than Cable Vision at least for my
house. So even though Cable Vision is not reported to have issues with
Netflix, it does not tilt the balance too much to them for me.
As for peering. My research showed that it is not unheard of to switch an
extremely unbalanced peer from settlement free arrangement to settled
arrangement. Which is what Verizon and Comcast want to do to Cogent
Communication. And this is by no means the first time Cogent is caught in
such a dispute.
Again, the business logic is clear, it is whether Cogent has the power to
wrangle with Comcast and Verizon, which is not a technological problem at
all. I feel that Cogent might loose the fight. Then it is about whether
Netflix can wrangle Cogent to swallow the cost. If not, whether Netflix is
willing to swallow the cost or pass it off to users at the cost of lost
membership. All these not technological problems.
【在 g*****g 的大作中提到】
: It wasn't like Netflix doesn't have enough server or cdn for delivery.
: Verizon simply refuses to upgrade the connection to netflix unless being
: paid. Netflix users ask and pay the download, if netflix has to pay again.
: It's like USPS charges recipients too. Again, anywhere in the world ISP
: doesn't have a monopoly, this doesn't happen.
: It's verizon responsibility to ensure they have adequate devices to meet
: their customer's needs, which is already paid. I don't see why Netflix
: should pay for the upgrade.
:
: really
Here I have 3 ISP to choose from: Verizon, Cable Vision and Dish. Forget
about Dish which is not a real contender. Cable Vision and Verizon offers
similar services at similar prices. Completely independent hardware from the
street all the way to the switch box in my basement. That s hardly a
monopoly by Verizon as I see it. As a matter of fact, over the last few
years, I have used Cable Vision and Verizon each half of the time since they
offer deep discount if you switch.
Verizon has its own problem like that stupid router that I have to by pass.
But their connection is robust and faster than Cable Vision at least for my
house. So even though Cable Vision is not reported to have issues with
Netflix, it does not tilt the balance too much to them for me.
As for peering. My research showed that it is not unheard of to switch an
extremely unbalanced peer from settlement free arrangement to settled
arrangement. Which is what Verizon and Comcast want to do to Cogent
Communication. And this is by no means the first time Cogent is caught in
such a dispute.
Again, the business logic is clear, it is whether Cogent has the power to
wrangle with Comcast and Verizon, which is not a technological problem at
all. I feel that Cogent might loose the fight. Then it is about whether
Netflix can wrangle Cogent to swallow the cost. If not, whether Netflix is
willing to swallow the cost or pass it off to users at the cost of lost
membership. All these not technological problems.
【在 g*****g 的大作中提到】
: It wasn't like Netflix doesn't have enough server or cdn for delivery.
: Verizon simply refuses to upgrade the connection to netflix unless being
: paid. Netflix users ask and pay the download, if netflix has to pay again.
: It's like USPS charges recipients too. Again, anywhere in the world ISP
: doesn't have a monopoly, this doesn't happen.
: It's verizon responsibility to ensure they have adequate devices to meet
: their customer's needs, which is already paid. I don't see why Netflix
: should pay for the upgrade.
:
: really
b*g
160 楼
You are the lucky ones. Even in the most part of Bay Area, Comcast is the
only option.
And most areas in USA are just like that. The big 4 Comcast, Verizon, Times
Warner monoply in different areas.
You can easily see Cable vision embraced Open connect, Netflix's CDN, and
they don't have issues on delivery. Had Cable Vision operated everywhere
Verizon does, Verizon would be in a big disadvantage and take Open Connect
too. That's simply how market works.
the
they
.
my
【在 a*********a 的大作中提到】
: I m not sure what you mean by monopoly.
: Here I have 3 ISP to choose from: Verizon, Cable Vision and Dish. Forget
: about Dish which is not a real contender. Cable Vision and Verizon offers
: similar services at similar prices. Completely independent hardware from the
: street all the way to the switch box in my basement. That s hardly a
: monopoly by Verizon as I see it. As a matter of fact, over the last few
: years, I have used Cable Vision and Verizon each half of the time since they
: offer deep discount if you switch.
: Verizon has its own problem like that stupid router that I have to by pass.
: But their connection is robust and faster than Cable Vision at least for my
only option.
And most areas in USA are just like that. The big 4 Comcast, Verizon, Times
Warner monoply in different areas.
You can easily see Cable vision embraced Open connect, Netflix's CDN, and
they don't have issues on delivery. Had Cable Vision operated everywhere
Verizon does, Verizon would be in a big disadvantage and take Open Connect
too. That's simply how market works.
the
they
.
my
【在 a*********a 的大作中提到】
: I m not sure what you mean by monopoly.
: Here I have 3 ISP to choose from: Verizon, Cable Vision and Dish. Forget
: about Dish which is not a real contender. Cable Vision and Verizon offers
: similar services at similar prices. Completely independent hardware from the
: street all the way to the switch box in my basement. That s hardly a
: monopoly by Verizon as I see it. As a matter of fact, over the last few
: years, I have used Cable Vision and Verizon each half of the time since they
: offer deep discount if you switch.
: Verizon has its own problem like that stupid router that I have to by pass.
: But their connection is robust and faster than Cable Vision at least for my
a*a
161 楼
I m on long island, Cable Vision used to be the only one, but several years
ago, Verizon started to cover a lot of the area. However, the cost of laying
fibers is so high that they stopped the expansion. There are still pockets
of towns that r still under Cable Vision monopoly, with Direct TV as the
other option.
The way I see it. Either the ISPs charge user by amount of data transmitted,
or the ISPs charge the content providers by the data transmitted. Who use
who pay, no other way.
Otherwise, when I select 3000(kbps?) buffer rate in my Netflix player, the
other internet users or those who do not stream HD from Netflix as often are
subsidizing my hunger for HD quality video. I believe many Netflix users do
not really care that much about video quality, after all, they watch it on
a ipad, laptop, cell phone. Why should they pay the same price as a 1080p
juncky like me?
That s why I support a two tiered pricing at Netflix. Those like me who
would not settle for low bit rate video should pay more, since those like me
consume more data. But with that premium, I would demand easily accessible
bit rate selection and when I select a higher bit rate, it better be
delivered as advertised.
Netflix has been using that low price to build a monopoly in the streaming
business. It successfully used this monopoly to arm twist ISPs to deliver
its product for free. So I don't see Netflix winning the monopoly argument,
only that bigger monopolies are now demand a cut of the cake.
Times
【在 b*******g 的大作中提到】
: You are the lucky ones. Even in the most part of Bay Area, Comcast is the
: only option.
: And most areas in USA are just like that. The big 4 Comcast, Verizon, Times
: Warner monoply in different areas.
: You can easily see Cable vision embraced Open connect, Netflix's CDN, and
: they don't have issues on delivery. Had Cable Vision operated everywhere
: Verizon does, Verizon would be in a big disadvantage and take Open Connect
: too. That's simply how market works.
:
: the
ago, Verizon started to cover a lot of the area. However, the cost of laying
fibers is so high that they stopped the expansion. There are still pockets
of towns that r still under Cable Vision monopoly, with Direct TV as the
other option.
The way I see it. Either the ISPs charge user by amount of data transmitted,
or the ISPs charge the content providers by the data transmitted. Who use
who pay, no other way.
Otherwise, when I select 3000(kbps?) buffer rate in my Netflix player, the
other internet users or those who do not stream HD from Netflix as often are
subsidizing my hunger for HD quality video. I believe many Netflix users do
not really care that much about video quality, after all, they watch it on
a ipad, laptop, cell phone. Why should they pay the same price as a 1080p
juncky like me?
That s why I support a two tiered pricing at Netflix. Those like me who
would not settle for low bit rate video should pay more, since those like me
consume more data. But with that premium, I would demand easily accessible
bit rate selection and when I select a higher bit rate, it better be
delivered as advertised.
Netflix has been using that low price to build a monopoly in the streaming
business. It successfully used this monopoly to arm twist ISPs to deliver
its product for free. So I don't see Netflix winning the monopoly argument,
only that bigger monopolies are now demand a cut of the cake.
Times
【在 b*******g 的大作中提到】
: You are the lucky ones. Even in the most part of Bay Area, Comcast is the
: only option.
: And most areas in USA are just like that. The big 4 Comcast, Verizon, Times
: Warner monoply in different areas.
: You can easily see Cable vision embraced Open connect, Netflix's CDN, and
: they don't have issues on delivery. Had Cable Vision operated everywhere
: Verizon does, Verizon would be in a big disadvantage and take Open Connect
: too. That's simply how market works.
:
: the
g*g
162 楼
Netflix is not a monopoly, it's like Google, a good service doesn't prevent
people from using Bing. ISPs, on the other hand, monopoly the last mile, and
infrastructure was subsidied by tax dollars. It's inefficient to double up
the infrastructure and regulation is the right way to go. Just like water,
electricity, phone.
years
laying
pockets
transmitted,
are
【在 a*********a 的大作中提到】
: I m on long island, Cable Vision used to be the only one, but several years
: ago, Verizon started to cover a lot of the area. However, the cost of laying
: fibers is so high that they stopped the expansion. There are still pockets
: of towns that r still under Cable Vision monopoly, with Direct TV as the
: other option.
: The way I see it. Either the ISPs charge user by amount of data transmitted,
: or the ISPs charge the content providers by the data transmitted. Who use
: who pay, no other way.
: Otherwise, when I select 3000(kbps?) buffer rate in my Netflix player, the
: other internet users or those who do not stream HD from Netflix as often are
people from using Bing. ISPs, on the other hand, monopoly the last mile, and
infrastructure was subsidied by tax dollars. It's inefficient to double up
the infrastructure and regulation is the right way to go. Just like water,
electricity, phone.
years
laying
pockets
transmitted,
are
【在 a*********a 的大作中提到】
: I m on long island, Cable Vision used to be the only one, but several years
: ago, Verizon started to cover a lot of the area. However, the cost of laying
: fibers is so high that they stopped the expansion. There are still pockets
: of towns that r still under Cable Vision monopoly, with Direct TV as the
: other option.
: The way I see it. Either the ISPs charge user by amount of data transmitted,
: or the ISPs charge the content providers by the data transmitted. Who use
: who pay, no other way.
: Otherwise, when I select 3000(kbps?) buffer rate in my Netflix player, the
: other internet users or those who do not stream HD from Netflix as often are
a*a
163 楼
Google is a monopoly. It is such a monopoly to the extend that people
install programs to block Google Analytics.
At least on long island, Verizon is not a monopoly. Rather it entered to
break Cable Vision monopoly.
So your recommendation is to make ISPs utilities so not only other Verizon
users must subsidize Netflix subscribers, all tax payers must subsidize your
subscribers? What an awesome business model, for Netflix that is.
prevent
and
up
【在 g*****g 的大作中提到】
: Netflix is not a monopoly, it's like Google, a good service doesn't prevent
: people from using Bing. ISPs, on the other hand, monopoly the last mile, and
: infrastructure was subsidied by tax dollars. It's inefficient to double up
: the infrastructure and regulation is the right way to go. Just like water,
: electricity, phone.
:
: years
: laying
: pockets
: transmitted,
install programs to block Google Analytics.
At least on long island, Verizon is not a monopoly. Rather it entered to
break Cable Vision monopoly.
So your recommendation is to make ISPs utilities so not only other Verizon
users must subsidize Netflix subscribers, all tax payers must subsidize your
subscribers? What an awesome business model, for Netflix that is.
prevent
and
up
【在 g*****g 的大作中提到】
: Netflix is not a monopoly, it's like Google, a good service doesn't prevent
: people from using Bing. ISPs, on the other hand, monopoly the last mile, and
: infrastructure was subsidied by tax dollars. It's inefficient to double up
: the infrastructure and regulation is the right way to go. Just like water,
: electricity, phone.
:
: years
: laying
: pockets
: transmitted,
g*g
164 楼
So Google can be blocked, that's a choice. And I don't have another
broadband choice if i block Comcast. How is that the same?
If EV uses a lot of electricity, should electricity provider charges EV
manufacturer too? If a lot of people call China and the connection to China
is congested, should China pay AT&T for their upgrade too?
Users buy bandwidth and dictate what they want to use for,
simple as that. Netflix can go bankrupty tomorrow and ISP has no problem
repurpose the devices. It's their properties and Netflix shouldn't pay for
it. A regulated market can force isp to keep up demand with reasonable
price. They shouldn't use Netflix as the reason to upgrade and stab it too.
The cost will pass down to consumers and consumers are the losers. At the
end of the day, Netflix operates on slim margin, it doesn't have a choice
but to increase the price. ISPs on the other hand, earn tons of money while
subsidized, they can afford to shed a little profit.
your
【在 a*********a 的大作中提到】
: Google is a monopoly. It is such a monopoly to the extend that people
: install programs to block Google Analytics.
: At least on long island, Verizon is not a monopoly. Rather it entered to
: break Cable Vision monopoly.
: So your recommendation is to make ISPs utilities so not only other Verizon
: users must subsidize Netflix subscribers, all tax payers must subsidize your
: subscribers? What an awesome business model, for Netflix that is.
:
: prevent
: and
broadband choice if i block Comcast. How is that the same?
If EV uses a lot of electricity, should electricity provider charges EV
manufacturer too? If a lot of people call China and the connection to China
is congested, should China pay AT&T for their upgrade too?
Users buy bandwidth and dictate what they want to use for,
simple as that. Netflix can go bankrupty tomorrow and ISP has no problem
repurpose the devices. It's their properties and Netflix shouldn't pay for
it. A regulated market can force isp to keep up demand with reasonable
price. They shouldn't use Netflix as the reason to upgrade and stab it too.
The cost will pass down to consumers and consumers are the losers. At the
end of the day, Netflix operates on slim margin, it doesn't have a choice
but to increase the price. ISPs on the other hand, earn tons of money while
subsidized, they can afford to shed a little profit.
your
【在 a*********a 的大作中提到】
: Google is a monopoly. It is such a monopoly to the extend that people
: install programs to block Google Analytics.
: At least on long island, Verizon is not a monopoly. Rather it entered to
: break Cable Vision monopoly.
: So your recommendation is to make ISPs utilities so not only other Verizon
: users must subsidize Netflix subscribers, all tax payers must subsidize your
: subscribers? What an awesome business model, for Netflix that is.
:
: prevent
: and
a*a
165 楼
what is EV? to me EV means Electronic Volts, but I doubt it s what u are
referring to.
China
.
【在 g*****g 的大作中提到】
: So Google can be blocked, that's a choice. And I don't have another
: broadband choice if i block Comcast. How is that the same?
: If EV uses a lot of electricity, should electricity provider charges EV
: manufacturer too? If a lot of people call China and the connection to China
: is congested, should China pay AT&T for their upgrade too?
: Users buy bandwidth and dictate what they want to use for,
: simple as that. Netflix can go bankrupty tomorrow and ISP has no problem
: repurpose the devices. It's their properties and Netflix shouldn't pay for
: it. A regulated market can force isp to keep up demand with reasonable
: price. They shouldn't use Netflix as the reason to upgrade and stab it too.
referring to.
China
.
【在 g*****g 的大作中提到】
: So Google can be blocked, that's a choice. And I don't have another
: broadband choice if i block Comcast. How is that the same?
: If EV uses a lot of electricity, should electricity provider charges EV
: manufacturer too? If a lot of people call China and the connection to China
: is congested, should China pay AT&T for their upgrade too?
: Users buy bandwidth and dictate what they want to use for,
: simple as that. Netflix can go bankrupty tomorrow and ISP has no problem
: repurpose the devices. It's their properties and Netflix shouldn't pay for
: it. A regulated market can force isp to keep up demand with reasonable
: price. They shouldn't use Netflix as the reason to upgrade and stab it too.
a*a
167 楼
oh, those!
I don't know how you Californians do things since you guys do some really
whacky stuff. Here in the North East, we pay for electricity by kWH. The
more I use, they more I pay. If I bought a TESLA and plugged it in, that
little meter in my yard would be spinning fast.
That s exactly the model I was advocating. Who use, who pay, use more, pay
more.
As it is now, every body pays about the same to their ISP for internet. Yet
those who use Netflix uses 30% average, 60% peak through put. Those like me
who insist on higher bit rate on big screen TVs pay the same price as those
who use Netflix on punny cell phone screens.
So I don't pay substantially more than my neighbor who do not use Neflix.
Yet I am a part of a group who uses up almost half of the band width. I pay
the same as the guy cross the street who watches Netflix on his ipad and don
't know what the hidden menu is. But I almost always go in and override for
one of the highest bit rate, and up to a couple months ago, got away with it.
Their could be 2 models to realize a "utility" like payment plan. One is
ISPs charge by data amount, just like your power company charges by kWH,
your water district and gas company charge by cubic feet. The other is for
Netflix to pass part of the membership fees to ISPs and possibly charge
higher fee for HD access. I feel the second way is less disruptive and
easier to implement.
If Netflix guarantees good quality 1080p (not necessarily blu ray quality)
to my home on demand, I d be happy to pay the $8 base fee + another $5-$10 (
call it iFlix or whatever your marketing dept comes up with). I am currently
paying also for the Netflix mailing service anyway just for true BD quality
content. Those who do not care about video quality, can keep paying the $8
basic.
It s not like Netflix does not know it must pay ISPs to ship their products.
You guys pay Cogent Communication, do you? Netflix simply made a decision
to save money by using Cogent who sells band width at dirty cheap price,
then (ab)use its SETTLEMENT FREE peer status with other ISPs. Now big ISPs
want to change Cogent to a SETTLED peer which is again a "Who use who pay"
model.
【在 g*****g 的大作中提到】
: electric vehicle.
I don't know how you Californians do things since you guys do some really
whacky stuff. Here in the North East, we pay for electricity by kWH. The
more I use, they more I pay. If I bought a TESLA and plugged it in, that
little meter in my yard would be spinning fast.
That s exactly the model I was advocating. Who use, who pay, use more, pay
more.
As it is now, every body pays about the same to their ISP for internet. Yet
those who use Netflix uses 30% average, 60% peak through put. Those like me
who insist on higher bit rate on big screen TVs pay the same price as those
who use Netflix on punny cell phone screens.
So I don't pay substantially more than my neighbor who do not use Neflix.
Yet I am a part of a group who uses up almost half of the band width. I pay
the same as the guy cross the street who watches Netflix on his ipad and don
't know what the hidden menu is. But I almost always go in and override for
one of the highest bit rate, and up to a couple months ago, got away with it.
Their could be 2 models to realize a "utility" like payment plan. One is
ISPs charge by data amount, just like your power company charges by kWH,
your water district and gas company charge by cubic feet. The other is for
Netflix to pass part of the membership fees to ISPs and possibly charge
higher fee for HD access. I feel the second way is less disruptive and
easier to implement.
If Netflix guarantees good quality 1080p (not necessarily blu ray quality)
to my home on demand, I d be happy to pay the $8 base fee + another $5-$10 (
call it iFlix or whatever your marketing dept comes up with). I am currently
paying also for the Netflix mailing service anyway just for true BD quality
content. Those who do not care about video quality, can keep paying the $8
basic.
It s not like Netflix does not know it must pay ISPs to ship their products.
You guys pay Cogent Communication, do you? Netflix simply made a decision
to save money by using Cogent who sells band width at dirty cheap price,
then (ab)use its SETTLEMENT FREE peer status with other ISPs. Now big ISPs
want to change Cogent to a SETTLED peer which is again a "Who use who pay"
model.
【在 g*****g 的大作中提到】
: electric vehicle.
g*g
168 楼
There are two points making your argument invalid. 1. ISP are subsidied when
they set up infrastructure. 2. Verizon and Comcast have their own streaming
service. So now Netflix should not get free ride but the bundled service
should, both on subsidied infrastructure?
Wasn't this how MS beat Netscape? Except MS didn't get tax $?
they set up infrastructure. 2. Verizon and Comcast have their own streaming
service. So now Netflix should not get free ride but the bundled service
should, both on subsidied infrastructure?
Wasn't this how MS beat Netscape? Except MS didn't get tax $?
a*a
169 楼
About #1, all utilities are subsidized but we still pay for electricity by
kWH, water and gas by cubic feet, do we?
If subsidies to power companies mean they must charge flat fee no matter how
much one uses, I would be so happy. I would set my thermalstat at 70F flat
all year long. I would keep my pool heater running 24/7 which in this area
gives you at least two month of pool usage each year.
Well, I would be so happy until the power grid was completely bogged down
and the entire area blacked out.
about #2. The bundled services are NOT getting a free ride. The parent
companies invested a lot into laying down and maintaining fiber cable
infrastructure. You kept bring up subsidies to the ISPs. If the subsidies
are as fantastic as you let on, Netflix should have started laying down its
own fiber optical network long time ago and told Verizon to go eat shit.
MS killed Netscape, but behold, we have half a dozen free web browsers to
choose from today. If Netflix compares itself to Netscape, maybe it deserves
to fail so we can have FireFlix sooner.
I have to give it to Netflix's content acquiring people though. Netflix
contents beat Hulu, Redbox hands down. On this aspect, not affiliated to any
cable company in fact probably is an advantage as Netflix does not have to
manage the relation ship between cable tv content providers and its cable tv
business.
But the delivery of those contents still leaves much to be desired. I
managed to watch some 1080 content yesterday at 3000 buffering rate, well,
managed half way. Worked for about 1 hour and in the last 40 minutes of the
movie, the player stopped to buffer once very 5-10 minutes. And using
Control-Alta-Shift-s to access the rate menu is unbelievably hard on a small
keypad for HTPC.
I also saw "tearing" in fast moving scenes. No such problem when I play with
other players, VLC, MPC-HC, XBMC on all kinds of formats, local or streamed
. The web player also does not switch my TV to 24fps mode which detracts
from a movie experience. PS3, MPC-HC, XBMC can all do that. There s so much
a web embedded player can do.
So at this point, for me, Netflix streaming service is nothing but a backup
for "hard to find" contents. Like the British version of House of Card shot
back in the 90s. It s getting harder and harder to justify the streaming fee
just for this though.
It is also interesting to compare to exclusive series on HBO. I pay 10-15 a
month for HBO who have many more exclusive series. Granted they are
delivered on a schedule not on demand. But I have a Windows MCE based PVR, I
can record the shows and playback whenever I want in MCE which has DRM
support anyway.
when
streaming
【在 g*****g 的大作中提到】
: There are two points making your argument invalid. 1. ISP are subsidied when
: they set up infrastructure. 2. Verizon and Comcast have their own streaming
: service. So now Netflix should not get free ride but the bundled service
: should, both on subsidied infrastructure?
: Wasn't this how MS beat Netscape? Except MS didn't get tax $?
kWH, water and gas by cubic feet, do we?
If subsidies to power companies mean they must charge flat fee no matter how
much one uses, I would be so happy. I would set my thermalstat at 70F flat
all year long. I would keep my pool heater running 24/7 which in this area
gives you at least two month of pool usage each year.
Well, I would be so happy until the power grid was completely bogged down
and the entire area blacked out.
about #2. The bundled services are NOT getting a free ride. The parent
companies invested a lot into laying down and maintaining fiber cable
infrastructure. You kept bring up subsidies to the ISPs. If the subsidies
are as fantastic as you let on, Netflix should have started laying down its
own fiber optical network long time ago and told Verizon to go eat shit.
MS killed Netscape, but behold, we have half a dozen free web browsers to
choose from today. If Netflix compares itself to Netscape, maybe it deserves
to fail so we can have FireFlix sooner.
I have to give it to Netflix's content acquiring people though. Netflix
contents beat Hulu, Redbox hands down. On this aspect, not affiliated to any
cable company in fact probably is an advantage as Netflix does not have to
manage the relation ship between cable tv content providers and its cable tv
business.
But the delivery of those contents still leaves much to be desired. I
managed to watch some 1080 content yesterday at 3000 buffering rate, well,
managed half way. Worked for about 1 hour and in the last 40 minutes of the
movie, the player stopped to buffer once very 5-10 minutes. And using
Control-Alta-Shift-s to access the rate menu is unbelievably hard on a small
keypad for HTPC.
I also saw "tearing" in fast moving scenes. No such problem when I play with
other players, VLC, MPC-HC, XBMC on all kinds of formats, local or streamed
. The web player also does not switch my TV to 24fps mode which detracts
from a movie experience. PS3, MPC-HC, XBMC can all do that. There s so much
a web embedded player can do.
So at this point, for me, Netflix streaming service is nothing but a backup
for "hard to find" contents. Like the British version of House of Card shot
back in the 90s. It s getting harder and harder to justify the streaming fee
just for this though.
It is also interesting to compare to exclusive series on HBO. I pay 10-15 a
month for HBO who have many more exclusive series. Granted they are
delivered on a schedule not on demand. But I have a Windows MCE based PVR, I
can record the shows and playback whenever I want in MCE which has DRM
support anyway.
when
streaming
【在 g*****g 的大作中提到】
: There are two points making your argument invalid. 1. ISP are subsidied when
: they set up infrastructure. 2. Verizon and Comcast have their own streaming
: service. So now Netflix should not get free ride but the bundled service
: should, both on subsidied infrastructure?
: Wasn't this how MS beat Netscape? Except MS didn't get tax $?
g*g
170 楼
Except people are already paying for tiered access. If you need 1.5Mb DSL,
it's much cheaper. Comcast charges different tiers for 5Mb, 25Mb and 50Mb
too. They didn't put in small print the speed won't work for Netflix, did
they?
how
flat
【在 a*********a 的大作中提到】
: About #1, all utilities are subsidized but we still pay for electricity by
: kWH, water and gas by cubic feet, do we?
: If subsidies to power companies mean they must charge flat fee no matter how
: much one uses, I would be so happy. I would set my thermalstat at 70F flat
: all year long. I would keep my pool heater running 24/7 which in this area
: gives you at least two month of pool usage each year.
: Well, I would be so happy until the power grid was completely bogged down
: and the entire area blacked out.
: about #2. The bundled services are NOT getting a free ride. The parent
: companies invested a lot into laying down and maintaining fiber cable
it's much cheaper. Comcast charges different tiers for 5Mb, 25Mb and 50Mb
too. They didn't put in small print the speed won't work for Netflix, did
they?
how
flat
【在 a*********a 的大作中提到】
: About #1, all utilities are subsidized but we still pay for electricity by
: kWH, water and gas by cubic feet, do we?
: If subsidies to power companies mean they must charge flat fee no matter how
: much one uses, I would be so happy. I would set my thermalstat at 70F flat
: all year long. I would keep my pool heater running 24/7 which in this area
: gives you at least two month of pool usage each year.
: Well, I would be so happy until the power grid was completely bogged down
: and the entire area blacked out.
: about #2. The bundled services are NOT getting a free ride. The parent
: companies invested a lot into laying down and maintaining fiber cable
a*a
171 楼
Many power companies charge different rates at different time of day. My
water districts ask people not to water their lawn during certain time of
the day, so?
【在 g*****g 的大作中提到】
: Except people are already paying for tiered access. If you need 1.5Mb DSL,
: it's much cheaper. Comcast charges different tiers for 5Mb, 25Mb and 50Mb
: too. They didn't put in small print the speed won't work for Netflix, did
: they?
:
: how
: flat
water districts ask people not to water their lawn during certain time of
the day, so?
【在 g*****g 的大作中提到】
: Except people are already paying for tiered access. If you need 1.5Mb DSL,
: it's much cheaper. Comcast charges different tiers for 5Mb, 25Mb and 50Mb
: too. They didn't put in small print the speed won't work for Netflix, did
: they?
:
: how
: flat
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