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t*y2011-09-25 07:09

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父母前几天通过。现在有些问题想请教各位：
1. 那个出入境体检。请问要做哪些项目？哪个网站有资料？
2. 关于父母携带的行李：大家一般都给列个什么样的清单？
总之，就是B2探亲通过后，要开始怎么准备？有一个什么样子的准备清单？
父母第一次来美，打算住一年，毫无准备。
先谢谢大家！

b*k2011-09-25 07:09

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Link:
http://goo.gl/d7QBo
"He has expressed support for a STEM bill, and told us that it could
happen this year," says a lobbyist for IEEE-USA. "If he
introduces his own bill, the odds of its passage would be very good."
'He' refers to Rep.Smith.
Based on the speed of the legislation, is it possible to introduce the
bill for vote by the end of the year?

c*o2011-09-25 07:09

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yougo， no，hugo

m*82011-09-25 07:09

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昨晚赴一场饭局，和一位叔叔聊到人口拐卖。
叔叔是警察，他说，十几年前，他救出过一个被拐卖到深山里的女孩。
女孩是北京某大学的学生，因为交友不慎，不幸被拐卖进西北某穷乡僻壤之地。熟人作
案，防不胜防。
买女孩的那户人家特别穷，家里有两个儿子，但只买的起一个媳妇，所以，一女事二夫
，晚上轮流伺候。哥哥三十五岁，弟弟三十一岁。刚拐进来的时候，女孩反抗情绪很大
，俩兄弟心软不愿打她，所以便治不住她。村民们便都笑俩兄弟是软蛋，连婆娘都管不
住，还帮着出招，怂恿俩兄弟打她、扇她，再不听话就让她睡猪圈。
俩兄弟听着学着，心也就狠了。女孩每天要做不少杂活，如果活干的不好，上去就是一
顿拳打脚踢，一天内不许吃饭，要是敢反抗，直接拿烟头烫。
女孩逃跑过两次，都没成功，怕女孩再跑，这户人家就生生把女孩右腿打折了。全村人
都看着她不让她跑。后来，叔叔去救这个女孩的时候，警车差点被这群村民砸成稀巴烂
。几个老太婆干脆躺在路上，哭喊着“你要把人带走，先从我身上辗过去。”而俩兄弟
被逮捕后，对着女孩破口大骂:“我买你真是倒了八辈子血霉，你来我家两年，连个娃
娃都没怀上，狗日的还把敢警察叫来。
你就是跑出去，你也是个被两个男人搞过的骚婆娘，你看哪个男人会要你这骚货贱胚！
”至于那些村民们，则纷纷咒骂这个女孩忘恩负义、恩将仇报，俩兄弟给她吃给她穿，
连娃娃都没生居然就要跑，还让俩兄弟坐了牢，哭天喊地地骂“人心坏了”。这并非一
个人的无耻，而是一群人的无耻。而无耻之余，更多的是愚昧和无知。可恨、可怜、可
悲。愿惨案不再发生。
还有一个故事，我读高中，刚分班，同桌女生，话很多。相处几天后认识的差不多了女
孩子跟我聊天讲了个她初中的故事，她在说这个故事的时候一直在笑，我却不寒而栗。
女孩初中在我们当地一所私立学校，学费比较贵那种，当时班里有个男学霸，家里条件
不太好，性格比较内向不怎么说话平时只知道看书做题很少跟别人沟通交流，于是就被
班里同学孤立，尤其是几个因为家里有钱比较混混的几个男同学，刚开始大家对他的孤
立只停留在聚堆嘲笑他的衣服上课回答问题给他抽板凳扔作业那种，后来那个男生对他
们完全无视冷漠的态度让那群人更加不爽，这种不爽在中考前几个月达到高潮。
混混们开始把男生堵厕所里拳打脚踢，让他吃下恶心的东西，并威胁他不可以告诉家人
老师。男生可能出于不想让打工的父母担心的心理就真的什么也没说。我问班里那么多
人都知道，怎么就没人敢说？
女生说一是班里普遍跟男生不熟，没什么特殊情感，二是都不想惹那几个混混，没人想
给自己凭空添麻烦。考前一个月，跟男生同宿舍的舍友，知道男生有晚上起来上厕所的
习惯，在他睡了之后在宿舍卫生间放了顶假发还有一些道具人头之类的东西（听到这里
真的恶心的不行），男生照常起来上厕所，被吓到，疯掉了。是的，疯掉了。此时他的
舍友们在外面大笑。注意，女生说到这里的时候一直在笑，并向我描述男生“发起疯”
来的样子 “不停的对别人说有人要害他他看到了一些什么什么东西之类的神神叨叨的
真的像个神经病” 不时模仿男生的行为，把旁边的人也逗得大笑。我笑不出来，后背
发凉。
男生后来没中考，父母大概是崩溃了，班里的人一起瞒着没人敢说，学校找不到证据就
说是考前学生压力太大，不了了之让我觉得可怕的不是那个女生的讲述，是一个班少年
的冷漠，他们习惯了看男生受欺负，竟都成了“帮凶”，他们毁了那个男孩子的一生甚
至那个家庭，却还是觉得自己只是来了个玩笑。

n*52011-09-25 07:09

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“和我得到的结论一样。这些蛋并不是天然形成的，它们的天然生命原始形态应该都是
人类的婴儿，被注入了巨龙的精血，再经过秘法催发，才变成现在的样子。”
提拉米苏抓了抓头，疑惑问道：“这样又有什么好处呢？这批半龙人多半不能生育
，只是一次性的炮灰而已。”
或许受到晶壁平衡规则的限制，不管是在诺兰德还是已知的其他位面，人造生命和
改造生命都有同样的缺陷，绝大多数会失去生育能力。即使是当年长于生物研究的熊彼
得家族都没能突破这个难题。
李察说：“当然有好处，因为可以一次性制造大量精锐部队出来。半龙人的战斗力
差不多可以达到十级，一头巨龙损失一个月的精血，就能造出几百名半龙人。这座孵育
大殿中的半龙人蛋虽然多，但是有两头巨龙的精血就够了。”
提拉米苏挠着头，问：“可是这样对人类婴儿的需求量会很大，催化成龙蛋的成功
率不会很高吧？”
“在巨龙位面，人类就和家畜差不多，豢养的牲畜不就是拿来宰和吃的吗？”李察
说。
食人魔领主重重地点了点头，明白了李察脸色不好看的根源。
李察叹了口气，向孵育大厅走去。此刻的大厅中有数以百计的工蜂在活动着，它们
不断采集大厅内分泌出的粘液，并且照料着那些没有孵化出的半龙人蛋。这些本来是巨
龙教徒们的工作，不过经过调试接收了详细指令的工蜂做起来更加娴熟。
思考者也在大厅内，现在照顾半龙人蛋的工作完全由它来负责统筹。思考者对李察
的帮助越来越大，实际上它的重要性已经超过了绯色、宗虎这样战斗型的追随者。
另一方面，星蛹发挥的作用也在稳步提升，战争规模越大，星蛹的重要性就越明显
。中小型的飞蛹也好，大型的飞蜉也罢，无论运载量还是速度，都无法和星蛹相提并论
。甚至一个星蛹就可以支撑一场战争。
李察扫视了一眼大厅，问：“进展怎么样？”
思考者答道：“培养液的样本已经送往母巢，只有伟大的创造者母巢才能完整解析
它的成分和作用，并且进行改良。这些半龙人蛋的生长已经被暂时延缓，以等待解析结
果。相信用不了一周，解析就可以完成。那时就可以将这批半龙人战士置于创造者的控
制之下。它们将和我一样，完全服从于创造者的意志。”
李察点了点头，就离开了孵育大厅。
半龙人的孵育大厅其实代表了一种制造战士的道路，而母巢则位于这条道路的终点
，或者是临近终点的地方。所以拥有母巢的李察原来根本不需要这种技术，但是现在母
巢拥有完整的灵魂后，情况却发生了改变。李察必须增加一切技术储备，不能再事事依
赖母巢。
走出孵育大厅，李察腾飞而起，一直拉升到千米高空，俯瞰着整个巨龙山谷。
从这个高度可以看到极致的远，在远方山脉的尽头，刚德正率领着三万公国大军进
攻珠链公国。这次在刚德的军队中，包括人形骑士在内的母巢战斗单位仅有两千人。它
们是供刚德应急之用，而不再象以往的战争那样处处充当主力。
自从与母巢会面、重构了相互之间的关系之后，李察就开始有意识地让麾下的追随
者们逐渐摆脱对母巢战斗单位的依赖。
战争的进程很顺利，刚德率领三万公国军，面对十几万珠链公国大军，却是连战连
捷，短短数日内就消灭了对手两个满编的主力军团。这个豪放的光头大汉现在正逐步展
现出在统帅上的能力，他在这方面的天赋明显比武力要强得多。
彻底击败珠链公国，占领全境不过是时间问题。如果李察肯把上万的人形骑士全部
投入战场，立刻就能击溃珠链公国的抵抗。但是现在对李察来说，早几天和晚几天没什
么区别。
在位面战争中，世俗层面的战争不是为了征服，而是为了资源，另外则就是为了构
建一种适合本土的发展模式了。
李察思索着，又从怀中拿出一个水晶球，在手里把玩着。
水晶球内，那由极复杂机械构成的末日印记又在飞速变幻着，不断幻化出各式各样
的形态。其中许多形态一看就具有强烈的攻击性，明显是某种巨型战争兵器。
虽然现在李察仅仅是记住了这些兵器的外型，还无从分析其内在结构和运作原理，
但是已经可以看出，诺兰德那些战争机械，包括龙血侏儒们建造的让人惊叹的巨型攻城
弩炮和魔能战舰在内，都远远比不上末日印记中演化出来的那些战争机械。
李察甚至有些不愿意去想像这些战争机械究竟有多大的威力。每当分析末日印记时
，李察心头总会蒙上一层淡淡的阴影。
在诺兰德强者的眼中，所谓的战争机械不过是些大玩具罢了。
攻城弩炮和魔能战舰都经不住强者的狂轰滥炸，哪怕是龙血侏儒们制造的最为庞大
的魔能战舰，也经不住苏海伦的一击。一个空间爆裂可以轻易抹平龙血侏儒的整只舰队
。而李察的核融爆裂则可以将最大的旗舰彻底蒸发。
但是，假若末日印记中的那些战争机械真的出现在眼前，李察却忽然觉得不是那么
有信心了。
不知为什么，李察忽然想起了在休兰神巢上看到的那幅恐怖的末日景象。那死寂的
战场，一直在无声陈述着当日战事的惨烈。
李察叹了口气，然后把末日印记拿到眼前，注视着内部机械的瞬息变化，默默计算
解析着。现在只要有些空余时间，李察就会解析末日印记。在这个过程中，李察的智慧
天赋会得到极大的锻炼，从而快速进步。
解析还不到一个小时，李察眼前忽然一黑，整个人晃了晃，差点从半空中摔下去。
他定了定神，知道精神力量已经接近枯竭，再也难以支持超强度的解析。
李察把末日印记收回怀中，落回巨龙山谷，在意识中向所有追随者打了个招呼，就
回到自己房间中进行深度冥想，以恢复魔力和精神力。
精神力量耗尽，也就意味着李察无法使用规则的力量。这就让李察的实际战力降到
了普通20级大魔导师的水准，而且许多特殊能力比如说金属之王、命运裁决都受到影响
，甚至无法使用。所以，用解析末日印记来锤炼精神力和智慧天赋虽然有效，实际上风
险不小。
回到房间后，李察在意识中召唤了一批精英黯锋骑士过来守卫，然后就进入了深度
冥想。这次的冥想过程却是有些奇特，李察刚刚进入冥想状态不久，意识就忽然进入到
一个奇异的世界。
这是一个虚无的世界，李察感觉到自己的意识已经和身体完全失去了联系，周围全
是黑暗，没有丝毫的光。
李察的精神触角向四面八方探出去，却没有丝毫结果，好象这里就是一个完全虚无
的封闭空间。但是李察又隐隐觉得不是这样，在黑暗的背后，似乎隐藏着许许多多的世
界。
无论李察做什么样的努力，都无法打破凝滞般的黑暗，一时间似乎被困在这个奇特
的世界里了。时间一点一滴地过去，在绝对的黑暗寂静中，似乎时间的流速被无限拉慢
，李察思维的速度也在逐渐放缓。
李察的情绪却不曾受到影响，没有恐惧、不安或是烦躁，他反复把精神触角释放出
去，似乎可以就这样探索到时间的尽头。不知道过了多久，李察的真实天赋却发生了变
异，竟然保持了稳定的波动频率！于是，在这个虚无的世界中，李察得到了一个稳定的
锚点和座标，可以据此知道时间的流速，不至于迷失对时间的感觉。
有了真实天赋的支持，李察立刻发现时间流速变缓只是自己的错觉。因为思绪的速
度也在同步放缓。这个过程原本可以无限放大，现实中哪怕只过去一秒，在这个黑暗无
光的世界中也会象是过了千年万年一样。
这样下去，几乎没有任何人能够在这样的环境下支撑这么久。想明白了这点，李察
顿时一阵后怕，如果他之前心神动摇的话，或许就真的落入永恒黑暗之中了。
当真实天赋提供了锚点后，这个虚无的世界忽然产生了变化。一艘难以形容的巨大
战舰从黑暗中跃出，在李察面前无声掠过，然后又冲入黑暗中。
李察一时间整个思维都为之停滞！
这艘战舰形状极为复杂奇特，可以清晰看到外表面象是数以亿万计的金属构件拼接
在一起。它无比复杂，复杂得超出了李察的理解能力，也无比巨大，大到可以占据李察
的全部视野，全部感知，乃至全部意识。
李察完全无从把这艘战舰和具体的数字联系在一起，而真实天赋提供的锚定标准在
这一刻似乎也失去了作用，让李察失去了判断能力。惟一能够确定的，是这艘战舰可能
极大，也可能极小，肯定是处于两个极端之一。

f*t2011-09-25 07:09

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目前的电话需要调整基带才能解锁
想请问一下这样的话对设备有没有什么影响

a*t2011-09-25 07:09

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同问需要体检吗？从来没听人说过这件事呢

N*r2011-09-25 07:09

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怎么搞的，突然风起云涌。
应该会有个结果吧。东边不亮西边亮。

T*s2011-09-25 07:09

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凡所有相皆是虚妄

T*x2011-09-25 07:09

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没懂

【在 f*******t 的大作中提到】

: 目前的电话需要调整基带才能解锁
: 想请问一下这样的话对设备有没有什么影响

a*n2011-09-25 07:09

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不需要

【在 a*******t 的大作中提到】

: 同问需要体检吗？从来没听人说过这件事呢

q*x2011-09-25 07:09

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这家伙不是前两天说的主要阻力吗？老印又做工作了？

【在 b***k 的大作中提到】

: Link:
: http://goo.gl/d7QBo
: "He has expressed support for a STEM bill, and told us that it could
: happen this year," says a lobbyist for IEEE-USA. "If he
: introduces his own bill, the odds of its passage would be very good."
: 'He' refers to Rep.Smith.
: Based on the speed of the legislation, is it possible to introduce the
: bill for vote by the end of the year?

b*s2011-09-25 07:09

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力差达到了李慕白达到的境界

【在 n*****5 的大作中提到】

: “和我得到的结论一样。这些蛋并不是天然形成的，它们的天然生命原始形态应该都是
: 人类的婴儿，被注入了巨龙的精血，再经过秘法催发，才变成现在的样子。”
: 提拉米苏抓了抓头，疑惑问道：“这样又有什么好处呢？这批半龙人多半不能生育
: ，只是一次性的炮灰而已。”
: 或许受到晶壁平衡规则的限制，不管是在诺兰德还是已知的其他位面，人造生命和
: 改造生命都有同样的缺陷，绝大多数会失去生育能力。即使是当年长于生物研究的熊彼
: 得家族都没能突破这个难题。
: 李察说：“当然有好处，因为可以一次性制造大量精锐部队出来。半龙人的战斗力
: 差不多可以达到十级，一头巨龙损失一个月的精血，就能造出几百名半龙人。这座孵育
: 大殿中的半龙人蛋虽然多，但是有两头巨龙的精血就够了。”

i*12011-09-25 07:09

14 楼

最主要的风险就是基带升级就降不回来,
以后不能再刷官方固件，只能刷自制固件
另外有人说GPS可能有问题.

【在 f*******t 的大作中提到】

: 目前的电话需要调整基带才能解锁
: 想请问一下这样的话对设备有没有什么影响

C*72011-09-25 07:09

15 楼

1. 不需要体检
2. 父母带的行李没有特定列表，想带什么带什么咯
老人自用的东西，衣服，常用药等
老人想给你们带的东西，你希望老人带来的东西，不要带那些海关严打的吃的就行

b*k2011-09-25 07:09

16 楼

看文章呀。一直是阻力，所以没有什么STEM相关的BILL能PASS. 但是最近的这个BILL
对于他的那些我认为很合理的CONCERN没有什么影响。
Representative Lamar Smith (R-TX), who is chair of the House Judiciary
Committee, has been the main stumbling block to any major reform affecting
STEM professionals. Despite White House support for the idea, reform bills
introduced this year by both Democrats and Republicans have languished
because of his opposition. Smith appears most concerned about the unintended
consequences of expanding the pool of legal immigrants. He has questioned
whether the benefits should extend to those with masters' degrees as well as
doctoral recipients, and the definition of which fields should be eligible
for such favored treatment. He also worries about opening the door to fly-by
-night institutions enrolling students who are more interested in obtaining
a green card than pursuing a career as a scientist or engineer.
But Smith is said to be close to resolving his concerns. At the 5 October
hearing he asked the four witnesses for yes or no answers to five pointed
questions relating to these issues. Despite their different perspectives on
the value of more STEM-trained immigrants, all favored some version of the
reforms being debated. And those in attendance are guessing that the answers
Smith received will eventually be folded into legislation.

【在 q****x 的大作中提到】

: 这家伙不是前两天说的主要阻力吗？老印又做工作了？

o*l2011-09-25 07:09

17 楼

燕南就是思维发散的写法啊
已经不知所云了

【在 n*****5 的大作中提到】

: “和我得到的结论一样。这些蛋并不是天然形成的，它们的天然生命原始形态应该都是
: 人类的婴儿，被注入了巨龙的精血，再经过秘法催发，才变成现在的样子。”
: 提拉米苏抓了抓头，疑惑问道：“这样又有什么好处呢？这批半龙人多半不能生育
: ，只是一次性的炮灰而已。”
: 或许受到晶壁平衡规则的限制，不管是在诺兰德还是已知的其他位面，人造生命和
: 改造生命都有同样的缺陷，绝大多数会失去生育能力。即使是当年长于生物研究的熊彼
: 得家族都没能突破这个难题。
: 李察说：“当然有好处，因为可以一次性制造大量精锐部队出来。半龙人的战斗力
: 差不多可以达到十级，一头巨龙损失一个月的精血，就能造出几百名半龙人。这座孵育
: 大殿中的半龙人蛋虽然多，但是有两头巨龙的精血就够了。”

f*t2011-09-25 07:09

18 楼

这个GPS是指google map吗？什么是官方固件？

【在 i***1 的大作中提到】

: 最主要的风险就是基带升级就降不回来,
: 以后不能再刷官方固件，只能刷自制固件
: 另外有人说GPS可能有问题.

t*y2011-09-25 07:09

19 楼

1. 真的不需要体检吗？我记得我当年做了体检，入关的时候还给海关官员看了。后来
搞绿卡的时候还帮我省了一点钱。
2. 我不需要父母给我们带任何物品。都是老人自己的必需品，要是哪个好心人有个清
单就好了，我父母就可以去照单购买，省心省事啊。这么多人父母来探亲，就没有人搞
个清单吗？

q*x2011-09-25 07:09

20 楼

对concern没影响，岂不是说concern依然有效？那他为啥会支持？

BILL
unintended
as
eligible

【在 b***k 的大作中提到】

: 看文章呀。一直是阻力，所以没有什么STEM相关的BILL能PASS. 但是最近的这个BILL
: 对于他的那些我认为很合理的CONCERN没有什么影响。
: Representative Lamar Smith (R-TX), who is chair of the House Judiciary
: Committee, has been the main stumbling block to any major reform affecting
: STEM professionals. Despite White House support for the idea, reform bills
: introduced this year by both Democrats and Republicans have languished
: because of his opposition. Smith appears most concerned about the unintended
: consequences of expanding the pool of legal immigrants. He has questioned
: whether the benefits should extend to those with masters' degrees as well as
: doctoral recipients, and the definition of which fields should be eligible

b*s2011-09-25 07:09

21 楼

至少有一名代笔

【在 o****l 的大作中提到】

: 燕南就是思维发散的写法啊
: 已经不知所云了

i*12011-09-25 07:09

22 楼

GPS是内置的gps芯片,有人说有问题,有人说没有.
官方固件就是苹果出的固件,你用itunes直接升级就是下的官方固件.
不过这个我认为算不上缺点,因为反正越狱以后就是不能随便升级的

【在 f*******t 的大作中提到】

: 这个GPS是指google map吗？什么是官方固件？

s*a2011-09-25 07:09

23 楼

b2好像不需要体检把。

f*82011-09-25 07:09

24 楼

Another EB法案: HR 3146 introduced in the House
http://www.mitbbs.com/article/EB23/31450423_3.html

【在 b***k 的大作中提到】

: Link:
: http://goo.gl/d7QBo
: "He has expressed support for a STEM bill, and told us that it could
: happen this year," says a lobbyist for IEEE-USA. "If he
: introduces his own bill, the odds of its passage would be very good."
: 'He' refers to Rep.Smith.
: Based on the speed of the legislation, is it possible to introduce the
: bill for vote by the end of the year?

k*h2011-09-25 07:09

25 楼

最近几章肯定是代笔

z*x2011-09-25 07:09

26 楼

上次hearing上，就不觉得他是阻力，只不过提了一些问题值得大家注意。大方向他还
是支持的。
http://judiciary.house.gov/news/Statement%20STEM.html
Chairman Smith: When it comes to STEM fields – science, technology,
engineering and math – American universities truly set the gold standard.
STEM graduates of our universities are behind many of the innovations and
new businesses that are part of our present and future economic growth.
Talented students from around the world contribute to the graduate STEM
programs of our universities. In 2009, foreign students received nearly 4
out of every 10 master’s degrees awarded in STEM fields and about the same
percentage of all doctorates.
These students have the potential to come up with an invention that could
save thousands of lives or jump-start a whole new industry. They also have
the ability to start a company that could provide jobs to tens of thousands
of American workers.
But what happens to these foreign students after they graduate? They are
in great demand by the universities themselves and by American industry.
That is why more than 6 out of every 10 science and engineering doctoral
graduates from 2002 were still here in 2007.
However, our immigration system does not always put American interests first
. We have the most generous level of legal immigration in the world. Yet
we select only 5% of our immigrants based on the skills and education they
bring to America.
Many people make a compelling argument: Why don’t we simply offer a green
card to any foreign student who graduates from a U.S. university with an
advanced STEM degree and wants to stay in the U.S.? After all, why would we
want to educate scientists and engineers here and then send them home to
work for our competitors?
But we should keep several points in mind. First, all graduate degrees are
not the same. It takes an average of over seven years in graduate school
for STEM students to receive a doctorate. A master’s can be earned in two
years.
And when it comes to the proportion of persons who have applied for patents,
those with doctorates far outpace those with bachelor’s and master’s
degrees. Sixteen percent of scientists and engineers with doctorates
working in STEM fields have applied for patents, compared to only two
percent with bachelor’s degrees and five percent with master’s degrees.
Second, a visa “pot of gold” could create an incentive for schools to aim
solely to attract tuition-paying foreign students with the lure of a green
card.
As the former Deputy Assistant Secretary for Visa Services at the State
Department has warned, “A school in the United States can be found for even
the poorest academic achiever … Unfortunately, schools that actively
recruit foreign students for primarily economic reasons, and without regard
to their qualifications or intentions, may encourage such high-risk
underachievers to seek student visa status as a ticket into the United
States.”
And the Center for Technology Innovation at Brookings warns against “
inducing the enrollment of poor-quality foreign students in U.S. higher
education institutions simply to obtain green cards …”
This is not just a hypothetic concern. Australia’s experience should be
instructive. One study found that: “The reformers did not anticipate the
alacrity with which Australia’s universities . . . would set up courses
designed to attract international students looking for the cheapest and
easiest ways to obtain qualifications in occupations that could lead to
permanent residence . . . [C]oncerns about the quality of instruction in
universities . . . and about the extent to which students were basing their
choice of educational provider on the likely permanent residence outcomes,
spread into the mainstream media. The result was a popular image that the
industry was about selling education for visas. This perception was
shredding its credibility.”
However, the choice between sending all graduates home and automatically
issuing visas to students are not the only options available.
In 2009, foreign students earned about 11,000 doctorate degrees in STEM
fields from U.S. universities. With tweaks to our immigration system, we
can accommodate those graduates whom American universities and businesses
most desire and who are most able to contribute to our economy.

【在 q****x 的大作中提到】

: 这家伙不是前两天说的主要阻力吗？老印又做工作了？

q*x2011-09-25 07:09

27 楼

摘要？

【在 f*******8 的大作中提到】

: Another EB法案: HR 3146 introduced in the House
: http://www.mitbbs.com/article/EB23/31450423_3.html

b*u2011-09-25 07:09

28 楼

大家还是支持下利国利民的好bill，不要被某些人和老印忽悠给卖了还帮人数钱。

f*82011-09-25 07:09

29 楼

你看他的话的最后一段的最后一句:
With tweaks to our immigration system, we
can accommodate those graduates whom American universities and businesses
most desire and who are most able to contribute to our economy.
他用了"tweaks"这个词。这个词是slight change的意思。就是微小的改变。他认为只
需要微小的改变现在的移民法就可以解决高科技移民问题了。
STEM不太可能是算是"tweaks"这样的小改变。

same

【在 z**x 的大作中提到】

: 上次hearing上，就不觉得他是阻力，只不过提了一些问题值得大家注意。大方向他还
: 是支持的。
: http://judiciary.house.gov/news/Statement%20STEM.html
: Chairman Smith: When it comes to STEM fields – science, technology,
: engineering and math – American universities truly set the gold standard.
: STEM graduates of our universities are behind many of the innovations and
: new businesses that are part of our present and future economic growth.
: Talented students from around the world contribute to the graduate STEM
: programs of our universities. In 2009, foreign students received nearly 4
: out of every 10 master’s degrees awarded in STEM fields and about the same

b*k2011-09-25 07:09

30 楼

Link:
http://goo.gl/d7QBo
"He has expressed support for a STEM bill, and told us that it could
happen this year," says a lobbyist for IEEE-USA. "If he
introduces his own bill, the odds of its passage would be very good."
'He' refers to Rep.Smith.
Based on the speed of the legislation, is it possible to introduce the
bill for vote by the end of the year?

N*r2011-09-25 07:09

31 楼

怎么搞的，突然风起云涌。
应该会有个结果吧。东边不亮西边亮。

q*x2011-09-25 07:09

32 楼

这家伙不是前两天说的主要阻力吗？老印又做工作了？

【在 b***k 的大作中提到】

: Link:
: http://goo.gl/d7QBo
: "He has expressed support for a STEM bill, and told us that it could
: happen this year," says a lobbyist for IEEE-USA. "If he
: introduces his own bill, the odds of its passage would be very good."
: 'He' refers to Rep.Smith.
: Based on the speed of the legislation, is it possible to introduce the
: bill for vote by the end of the year?

b*k2011-09-25 07:09

33 楼

看文章呀。一直是阻力，所以没有什么STEM相关的BILL能PASS. 但是最近的这个BILL
对于他的那些我认为很合理的CONCERN没有什么影响。
Representative Lamar Smith (R-TX), who is chair of the House Judiciary
Committee, has been the main stumbling block to any major reform affecting
STEM professionals. Despite White House support for the idea, reform bills
introduced this year by both Democrats and Republicans have languished
because of his opposition. Smith appears most concerned about the unintended
consequences of expanding the pool of legal immigrants. He has questioned
whether the benefits should extend to those with masters' degrees as well as
doctoral recipients, and the definition of which fields should be eligible
for such favored treatment. He also worries about opening the door to fly-by
-night institutions enrolling students who are more interested in obtaining
a green card than pursuing a career as a scientist or engineer.
But Smith is said to be close to resolving his concerns. At the 5 October
hearing he asked the four witnesses for yes or no answers to five pointed
questions relating to these issues. Despite their different perspectives on
the value of more STEM-trained immigrants, all favored some version of the
reforms being debated. And those in attendance are guessing that the answers
Smith received will eventually be folded into legislation.

【在 q****x 的大作中提到】

: 这家伙不是前两天说的主要阻力吗？老印又做工作了？

q*x2011-09-25 07:09

34 楼

对concern没影响，岂不是说concern依然有效？那他为啥会支持？

BILL
unintended
as
eligible

【在 b***k 的大作中提到】

: 看文章呀。一直是阻力，所以没有什么STEM相关的BILL能PASS. 但是最近的这个BILL
: 对于他的那些我认为很合理的CONCERN没有什么影响。
: Representative Lamar Smith (R-TX), who is chair of the House Judiciary
: Committee, has been the main stumbling block to any major reform affecting
: STEM professionals. Despite White House support for the idea, reform bills
: introduced this year by both Democrats and Republicans have languished
: because of his opposition. Smith appears most concerned about the unintended
: consequences of expanding the pool of legal immigrants. He has questioned
: whether the benefits should extend to those with masters' degrees as well as
: doctoral recipients, and the definition of which fields should be eligible

f*82011-09-25 07:09

35 楼

Another EB法案: HR 3146 introduced in the House
http://www.mitbbs.com/article/EB23/31450423_3.html

【在 b***k 的大作中提到】

: Link:
: http://goo.gl/d7QBo
: "He has expressed support for a STEM bill, and told us that it could
: happen this year," says a lobbyist for IEEE-USA. "If he
: introduces his own bill, the odds of its passage would be very good."
: 'He' refers to Rep.Smith.
: Based on the speed of the legislation, is it possible to introduce the
: bill for vote by the end of the year?

z*x2011-09-25 07:09

36 楼

上次hearing上，就不觉得他是阻力，只不过提了一些问题值得大家注意。大方向他还
是支持的。
http://judiciary.house.gov/news/Statement%20STEM.html
Chairman Smith: When it comes to STEM fields – science, technology,
engineering and math – American universities truly set the gold standard.
STEM graduates of our universities are behind many of the innovations and
new businesses that are part of our present and future economic growth.
Talented students from around the world contribute to the graduate STEM
programs of our universities. In 2009, foreign students received nearly 4
out of every 10 master’s degrees awarded in STEM fields and about the same
percentage of all doctorates.
These students have the potential to come up with an invention that could
save thousands of lives or jump-start a whole new industry. They also have
the ability to start a company that could provide jobs to tens of thousands
of American workers.
But what happens to these foreign students after they graduate? They are
in great demand by the universities themselves and by American industry.
That is why more than 6 out of every 10 science and engineering doctoral
graduates from 2002 were still here in 2007.
However, our immigration system does not always put American interests first
. We have the most generous level of legal immigration in the world. Yet
we select only 5% of our immigrants based on the skills and education they
bring to America.
Many people make a compelling argument: Why don’t we simply offer a green
card to any foreign student who graduates from a U.S. university with an
advanced STEM degree and wants to stay in the U.S.? After all, why would we
want to educate scientists and engineers here and then send them home to
work for our competitors?
But we should keep several points in mind. First, all graduate degrees are
not the same. It takes an average of over seven years in graduate school
for STEM students to receive a doctorate. A master’s can be earned in two
years.
And when it comes to the proportion of persons who have applied for patents,
those with doctorates far outpace those with bachelor’s and master’s
degrees. Sixteen percent of scientists and engineers with doctorates
working in STEM fields have applied for patents, compared to only two
percent with bachelor’s degrees and five percent with master’s degrees.
Second, a visa “pot of gold” could create an incentive for schools to aim
solely to attract tuition-paying foreign students with the lure of a green
card.
As the former Deputy Assistant Secretary for Visa Services at the State
Department has warned, “A school in the United States can be found for even
the poorest academic achiever … Unfortunately, schools that actively
recruit foreign students for primarily economic reasons, and without regard
to their qualifications or intentions, may encourage such high-risk
underachievers to seek student visa status as a ticket into the United
States.”
And the Center for Technology Innovation at Brookings warns against “
inducing the enrollment of poor-quality foreign students in U.S. higher
education institutions simply to obtain green cards …”
This is not just a hypothetic concern. Australia’s experience should be
instructive. One study found that: “The reformers did not anticipate the
alacrity with which Australia’s universities . . . would set up courses
designed to attract international students looking for the cheapest and
easiest ways to obtain qualifications in occupations that could lead to
permanent residence . . . [C]oncerns about the quality of instruction in
universities . . . and about the extent to which students were basing their
choice of educational provider on the likely permanent residence outcomes,
spread into the mainstream media. The result was a popular image that the
industry was about selling education for visas. This perception was
shredding its credibility.”
However, the choice between sending all graduates home and automatically
issuing visas to students are not the only options available.
In 2009, foreign students earned about 11,000 doctorate degrees in STEM
fields from U.S. universities. With tweaks to our immigration system, we
can accommodate those graduates whom American universities and businesses
most desire and who are most able to contribute to our economy.

【在 q****x 的大作中提到】

: 这家伙不是前两天说的主要阻力吗？老印又做工作了？

q*x2011-09-25 07:09

37 楼

摘要？

【在 f*******8 的大作中提到】

: Another EB法案: HR 3146 introduced in the House
: http://www.mitbbs.com/article/EB23/31450423_3.html

b*u2011-09-25 07:09

38 楼

大家还是支持下利国利民的好bill，不要被某些人和老印忽悠给卖了还帮人数钱。

f*82011-09-25 07:09

39 楼

你看他的话的最后一段的最后一句:
With tweaks to our immigration system, we
can accommodate those graduates whom American universities and businesses
most desire and who are most able to contribute to our economy.
他用了"tweaks"这个词。这个词是slight change的意思。就是微小的改变。他认为只
需要微小的改变现在的移民法就可以解决高科技移民问题了。
STEM不太可能是算是"tweaks"这样的小改变。

same

【在 z**x 的大作中提到】

: 上次hearing上，就不觉得他是阻力，只不过提了一些问题值得大家注意。大方向他还
: 是支持的。
: http://judiciary.house.gov/news/Statement%20STEM.html
: Chairman Smith: When it comes to STEM fields – science, technology,
: engineering and math – American universities truly set the gold standard.
: STEM graduates of our universities are behind many of the innovations and
: new businesses that are part of our present and future economic growth.
: Talented students from around the world contribute to the graduate STEM
: programs of our universities. In 2009, foreign students received nearly 4
: out of every 10 master’s degrees awarded in STEM fields and about the same

d*d2011-09-25 07:09

40 楼

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