o*y
2 楼
12/31 USPS express mail寄出,邮局 guaranteed 1/3 3pm 寄到，但实际是1/4 上午寄
到，多久可以等到e-notification? E-note里会有case number吗？
到，多久可以等到e-notification? E-note里会有case number吗？
T*y
3 楼
from "The joy of living".
It's so refreshing to know, and it makes so much more sense.
It's so refreshing to know, and it makes so much more sense.
w*2
4 楼
似乎blackberry 的bbm 是特别的保密，这是企业选择blackberry 剩下的不多的原因之
一？
apple 现在的imessage 应该也不走营运商，这里如果要做一层加密的messaging 难道
很难么？
一？
apple 现在的imessage 应该也不走营运商，这里如果要做一层加密的messaging 难道
很难么？
l*h
5 楼
你仔细看一下签证。上面有这个字样就是有，没有就是没有。 大概位置在下边，中右
部。
一般人没有，以前被check过的有，还有其他什么情况是有的不知道。
正常的假设是没有。
部。
一般人没有，以前被check过的有，还有其他什么情况是有的不知道。
正常的假设是没有。
n*s
6 楼
01/14ish
J*s
7 楼
I am also reading this book, and found what the author emphasizes again and
again is typical 'tathagatagarbha' theory.
【在 T*******y 的大作中提到】
: from "The joy of living".
: It's so refreshing to know, and it makes so much more sense.
again is typical 'tathagatagarbha' theory.
【在 T*******y 的大作中提到】
: from "The joy of living".
: It's so refreshing to know, and it makes so much more sense.
w*t
8 楼
所谓保密不保密，主要在于定义保密概念的人以及检查是否保密的人。一句话，黑箱操
作。
似乎blackberry 的bbm 是特别的保密，这是企业选择blackberry 剩下的不多的原因之
一？apple 现在的imessage 应该也不走营运商，这里如果要做一层........
★ Sent from iPhone App: iReader Mitbbs 7.56 - iPad Lite
【在 w********2 的大作中提到】
: 似乎blackberry 的bbm 是特别的保密，这是企业选择blackberry 剩下的不多的原因之
: 一？
: apple 现在的imessage 应该也不走营运商，这里如果要做一层加密的messaging 难道
: 很难么？
作。
似乎blackberry 的bbm 是特别的保密，这是企业选择blackberry 剩下的不多的原因之
一？apple 现在的imessage 应该也不走营运商，这里如果要做一层........
★ Sent from iPhone App: iReader Mitbbs 7.56 - iPad Lite
【在 w********2 的大作中提到】
: 似乎blackberry 的bbm 是特别的保密，这是企业选择blackberry 剩下的不多的原因之
: 一？
: apple 现在的imessage 应该也不走营运商，这里如果要做一层加密的messaging 难道
: 很难么？
W*t
9 楼
这个只能看运气， 我也在等。
根据我几个月观察下来， 老中/老印一般是5－10个工作日， 也就是1－2个礼拜都会收
到通知，最快的一个是本版的vollog， 1月3号寄到， 5号凌晨收到的receipt number.
oany, 我开了一个1月PD的集中贴， 有空的话请去看一下：
http://www.mitbbs.com/article_t/EB23/31543551.html
根据我几个月观察下来， 老中/老印一般是5－10个工作日， 也就是1－2个礼拜都会收
到通知，最快的一个是本版的vollog， 1月3号寄到， 5号凌晨收到的receipt number.
oany, 我开了一个1月PD的集中贴， 有空的话请去看一下：
http://www.mitbbs.com/article_t/EB23/31543551.html
T*y
10 楼
I see. I am only at about 1/5th of it.
Is this wiki explanation on tathagatagarbha that's what you meant?
佛性（梵文：sk. Tathāgatagarbha, Buddhatva），佛教术语，也叫觉性、自性、真
如、实相、如来藏、圆觉等。
佛性一词在不同的情况下可有不同的内涵。《涅槃经》说“佛性有种种名，于一佛性，
亦名法性、涅槃，亦名般若、一乘，亦名首楞严三昧、狮子吼三昧”。大乘佛教的一些
经典认为一切众生皆有佛性，一切众生都有觉悟成佛的可能性。但众生因迷妄的深浅，
而有贤愚、明昧的不同。
在早期結集的佛教經典中並無相關記載，此為公元一世紀後，後般若經時期及唯識初期
所出現之用詞，已經引入印度奧義書和其他教派思想的觀念，為大乘佛教"有宗"的核心
思想，並非全部佛教教派皆認可之觀念。
and again is typical 'tathagatagarbha' theory.
【在 J******s 的大作中提到】
: I am also reading this book, and found what the author emphasizes again and
: again is typical 'tathagatagarbha' theory.
Is this wiki explanation on tathagatagarbha that's what you meant?
佛性（梵文：sk. Tathāgatagarbha, Buddhatva），佛教术语，也叫觉性、自性、真
如、实相、如来藏、圆觉等。
佛性一词在不同的情况下可有不同的内涵。《涅槃经》说“佛性有种种名，于一佛性，
亦名法性、涅槃，亦名般若、一乘，亦名首楞严三昧、狮子吼三昧”。大乘佛教的一些
经典认为一切众生皆有佛性，一切众生都有觉悟成佛的可能性。但众生因迷妄的深浅，
而有贤愚、明昧的不同。
在早期結集的佛教經典中並無相關記載，此為公元一世紀後，後般若經時期及唯識初期
所出現之用詞，已經引入印度奧義書和其他教派思想的觀念，為大乘佛教"有宗"的核心
思想，並非全部佛教教派皆認可之觀念。
and again is typical 'tathagatagarbha' theory.
【在 J******s 的大作中提到】
: I am also reading this book, and found what the author emphasizes again and
: again is typical 'tathagatagarbha' theory.
o*y
11 楼
谢WarmSalt。 我加了你的集中贴
J*s
12 楼
yeah, if you are reading the Chinese version, on page 38 (in pdf) you can
see how the author is saying. Quite clear!
【在 T*******y 的大作中提到】
: I see. I am only at about 1/5th of it.
: Is this wiki explanation on tathagatagarbha that's what you meant?
: 佛性（梵文：sk. Tathāgatagarbha, Buddhatva），佛教术语，也叫觉性、自性、真
: 如、实相、如来藏、圆觉等。
: 佛性一词在不同的情况下可有不同的内涵。《涅槃经》说“佛性有种种名，于一佛性，
: 亦名法性、涅槃，亦名般若、一乘，亦名首楞严三昧、狮子吼三昧”。大乘佛教的一些
: 经典认为一切众生皆有佛性，一切众生都有觉悟成佛的可能性。但众生因迷妄的深浅，
: 而有贤愚、明昧的不同。
: 在早期結集的佛教經典中並無相關記載，此為公元一世紀後，後般若經時期及唯識初期
: 所出現之用詞，已經引入印度奧義書和其他教派思想的觀念，為大乘佛教"有宗"的核心
see how the author is saying. Quite clear!
【在 T*******y 的大作中提到】
: I see. I am only at about 1/5th of it.
: Is this wiki explanation on tathagatagarbha that's what you meant?
: 佛性（梵文：sk. Tathāgatagarbha, Buddhatva），佛教术语，也叫觉性、自性、真
: 如、实相、如来藏、圆觉等。
: 佛性一词在不同的情况下可有不同的内涵。《涅槃经》说“佛性有种种名，于一佛性，
: 亦名法性、涅槃，亦名般若、一乘，亦名首楞严三昧、狮子吼三昧”。大乘佛教的一些
: 经典认为一切众生皆有佛性，一切众生都有觉悟成佛的可能性。但众生因迷妄的深浅，
: 而有贤愚、明昧的不同。
: 在早期結集的佛教經典中並無相關記載，此為公元一世紀後，後般若經時期及唯識初期
: 所出現之用詞，已經引入印度奧義書和其他教派思想的觀念，為大乘佛教"有宗"的核心
J*s
13 楼
and it is in the 3rd chapter.
【在 J******s 的大作中提到】
: yeah, if you are reading the Chinese version, on page 38 (in pdf) you can
: see how the author is saying. Quite clear!
【在 J******s 的大作中提到】
: yeah, if you are reading the Chinese version, on page 38 (in pdf) you can
: see how the author is saying. Quite clear!
T*y
14 楼
oh, I am not reading the Chinese version. I am listening to its CDs in
English. Where's the link to the Chinese version?
see how the author is saying. Quite clear!
【在 J******s 的大作中提到】
: yeah, if you are reading the Chinese version, on page 38 (in pdf) you can
: see how the author is saying. Quite clear!
English. Where's the link to the Chinese version?
see how the author is saying. Quite clear!
【在 J******s 的大作中提到】
: yeah, if you are reading the Chinese version, on page 38 (in pdf) you can
: see how the author is saying. Quite clear!
J*s
15 楼
http://ishare.iask.sina.com.cn/f/11254258.html
some of the analogies and examples in this book are quite insightful at
least for me.
【在 T*******y 的大作中提到】
: oh, I am not reading the Chinese version. I am listening to its CDs in
: English. Where's the link to the Chinese version?
:
: see how the author is saying. Quite clear!
some of the analogies and examples in this book are quite insightful at
least for me.
【在 T*******y 的大作中提到】
: oh, I am not reading the Chinese version. I am listening to its CDs in
: English. Where's the link to the Chinese version?
:
: see how the author is saying. Quite clear!
T*y
16 楼
Thanks for the link.
Yes, I find this book very approachable and it helps me to understand more.
【在 J******s 的大作中提到】
: http://ishare.iask.sina.com.cn/f/11254258.html
: some of the analogies and examples in this book are quite insightful at
: least for me.
Yes, I find this book very approachable and it helps me to understand more.
【在 J******s 的大作中提到】
: http://ishare.iask.sina.com.cn/f/11254258.html
: some of the analogies and examples in this book are quite insightful at
: least for me.
J*s
17 楼
It is also helpful for me, but I do not accept 'tathagatagarbha' theory,
which means I do not accept the foundation of this book.
:-)
【在 T*******y 的大作中提到】
: Thanks for the link.
: Yes, I find this book very approachable and it helps me to understand more.
which means I do not accept the foundation of this book.
:-)
【在 T*******y 的大作中提到】
: Thanks for the link.
: Yes, I find this book very approachable and it helps me to understand more.
T*y
18 楼
I am still far from finishing this book, and there're surely many good
things I will talk about it later.
Here's one minor criticism on the understanding of "science" that the
authors think though.
=================================================================
He assumed that the scientific view of mind should be a like centralized
conductor to the symphony, but the Buddhist view of the mind is different
that the mind is never an entity. But no, that's not even how science
pictured it. There are centralized processing, and also distributed
processing. Distributed processing is also studied in science, and the
inspiration of such science is the Nature, the Rule of everything.
Many scientists are mimicking what the Nature is doing and they could
achieve lots of inspirations to put them into applications. I'd recommend a
book " Emergence: The Connected Lives of Ants, Brains, Cities, and Software"
by Steven Johnson. It's a good explanation how the world runs on swarm
based interaction, rather than by a centralized design.
I haven't read the book enough to know whether this book mentions it or
knows it, but human brains are very adaptive, and that's affirmed again and
again in experiments. Some experiments are like this: when certain area of
the brain is identified as related to, say, vision, smell, or taste, if that
brain area is damaged, another part of the brain will learn to acquire the
same functionality to enable vision, smell or taste. Mind does not happen as
fixed with certain biological structure, but there's a holistic connection
between mind and body.
My point is that science is ever evolving, what science describes is part of
the Rule, on how it's operated. All experiences have biological and
physical basis, and what once unknown may become known. For instance, I once
posted about the hormones and MRI results that scientists discovered for
people in love, such as Hellen Fisher's work, and their discoveries are
amazing to illustrate how this process is happening with the changes in
human bodies. But this understanding on this physical process does not
negate or replace the experiences themselves. As Hellen Fisher puts it, "You
can know every single ingredient in a piece of chocolate cake and still sit
down and eat that chocolate cake and feel that rush of joy."
things I will talk about it later.
Here's one minor criticism on the understanding of "science" that the
authors think though.
=================================================================
He assumed that the scientific view of mind should be a like centralized
conductor to the symphony, but the Buddhist view of the mind is different
that the mind is never an entity. But no, that's not even how science
pictured it. There are centralized processing, and also distributed
processing. Distributed processing is also studied in science, and the
inspiration of such science is the Nature, the Rule of everything.
Many scientists are mimicking what the Nature is doing and they could
achieve lots of inspirations to put them into applications. I'd recommend a
book " Emergence: The Connected Lives of Ants, Brains, Cities, and Software"
by Steven Johnson. It's a good explanation how the world runs on swarm
based interaction, rather than by a centralized design.
I haven't read the book enough to know whether this book mentions it or
knows it, but human brains are very adaptive, and that's affirmed again and
again in experiments. Some experiments are like this: when certain area of
the brain is identified as related to, say, vision, smell, or taste, if that
brain area is damaged, another part of the brain will learn to acquire the
same functionality to enable vision, smell or taste. Mind does not happen as
fixed with certain biological structure, but there's a holistic connection
between mind and body.
My point is that science is ever evolving, what science describes is part of
the Rule, on how it's operated. All experiences have biological and
physical basis, and what once unknown may become known. For instance, I once
posted about the hormones and MRI results that scientists discovered for
people in love, such as Hellen Fisher's work, and their discoveries are
amazing to illustrate how this process is happening with the changes in
human bodies. But this understanding on this physical process does not
negate or replace the experiences themselves. As Hellen Fisher puts it, "You
can know every single ingredient in a piece of chocolate cake and still sit
down and eat that chocolate cake and feel that rush of joy."
J*s
19 楼
The last paragraph is wonderful. :-)
【在 T*******y 的大作中提到】
: I am still far from finishing this book, and there're surely many good
: things I will talk about it later.
: Here's one minor criticism on the understanding of "science" that the
: authors think though.
: =================================================================
: He assumed that the scientific view of mind should be a like centralized
: conductor to the symphony, but the Buddhist view of the mind is different
: that the mind is never an entity. But no, that's not even how science
: pictured it. There are centralized processing, and also distributed
: processing. Distributed processing is also studied in science, and the
【在 T*******y 的大作中提到】
: I am still far from finishing this book, and there're surely many good
: things I will talk about it later.
: Here's one minor criticism on the understanding of "science" that the
: authors think though.
: =================================================================
: He assumed that the scientific view of mind should be a like centralized
: conductor to the symphony, but the Buddhist view of the mind is different
: that the mind is never an entity. But no, that's not even how science
: pictured it. There are centralized processing, and also distributed
: processing. Distributed processing is also studied in science, and the
T*y
20 楼
May I know what theory you accept then? I want to know your most basic
opinion.
Also, why do you think that 'tathagatagarbha' is not true? I am not
interested in whether it's stated by Buddha or not, but just why you find it
not true.
which means I do not accept the foundation of this book.
【在 J******s 的大作中提到】
: It is also helpful for me, but I do not accept 'tathagatagarbha' theory,
: which means I do not accept the foundation of this book.
: :-)
opinion.
Also, why do you think that 'tathagatagarbha' is not true? I am not
interested in whether it's stated by Buddha or not, but just why you find it
not true.
which means I do not accept the foundation of this book.
【在 J******s 的大作中提到】
: It is also helpful for me, but I do not accept 'tathagatagarbha' theory,
: which means I do not accept the foundation of this book.
: :-)
Y*u
21 楼
thank you, will add to the good book list..
【在 T*******y 的大作中提到】
: from "The joy of living".
: It's so refreshing to know, and it makes so much more sense.
【在 T*******y 的大作中提到】
: from "The joy of living".
: It's so refreshing to know, and it makes so much more sense.
w*w
22 楼
多谢分享
请问哪里有英文的下载么？
请问哪里有英文的下载么？
f*8
23 楼
不错，有时候用不同语言说同一个事情，还是很有灵动感的，
中文怎么说？真空非顽空，真空非乌有，寂灭非断灭？
所以我认为你应该去参选BM，原因也简单，
这个版的版主应该让学-者来做，而不是让“教者”或管理者来做。
学-者，就是有兴趣并正在学习的人，这样比较有新鲜感，可以时常冒火花。
边学边干，比较有新鲜感和生命力。
其实早期几个版主当时都是学-者，Ray,para，Jstar,Qxc等等。
【在 T*******y 的大作中提到】
: from "The joy of living".
: It's so refreshing to know, and it makes so much more sense.
中文怎么说？真空非顽空，真空非乌有，寂灭非断灭？
所以我认为你应该去参选BM，原因也简单，
这个版的版主应该让学-者来做，而不是让“教者”或管理者来做。
学-者，就是有兴趣并正在学习的人，这样比较有新鲜感，可以时常冒火花。
边学边干，比较有新鲜感和生命力。
其实早期几个版主当时都是学-者，Ray,para，Jstar,Qxc等等。
【在 T*******y 的大作中提到】
: from "The joy of living".
: It's so refreshing to know, and it makes so much more sense.
w*w
24 楼
en, 这个空的概念，我当初学的中文，很久都没搞懂。一切都虚无，名利权情都浮云了
，然后心里空荡荡，廖无生趣。
后来参加一个英文的课程，阐述的很妙，out of nothing, there's space for
everything/possibilities 我终于知道空中生妙有
，然后心里空荡荡，廖无生趣。
后来参加一个英文的课程，阐述的很妙，out of nothing, there's space for
everything/possibilities 我终于知道空中生妙有
b*d
25 楼
她搞的东西水平那么低，你也支持？ 拿她跟J那种人比？ 你开玩笑呢吧。
【在 f*******8 的大作中提到】
: 不错，有时候用不同语言说同一个事情，还是很有灵动感的，
: 中文怎么说？真空非顽空，真空非乌有，寂灭非断灭？
: 所以我认为你应该去参选BM，原因也简单，
: 这个版的版主应该让学-者来做，而不是让“教者”或管理者来做。
: 学-者，就是有兴趣并正在学习的人，这样比较有新鲜感，可以时常冒火花。
: 边学边干，比较有新鲜感和生命力。
: 其实早期几个版主当时都是学-者，Ray,para，Jstar,Qxc等等。
【在 f*******8 的大作中提到】
: 不错，有时候用不同语言说同一个事情，还是很有灵动感的，
: 中文怎么说？真空非顽空，真空非乌有，寂灭非断灭？
: 所以我认为你应该去参选BM，原因也简单，
: 这个版的版主应该让学-者来做，而不是让“教者”或管理者来做。
: 学-者，就是有兴趣并正在学习的人，这样比较有新鲜感，可以时常冒火花。
: 边学边干，比较有新鲜感和生命力。
: 其实早期几个版主当时都是学-者，Ray,para，Jstar,Qxc等等。
f*8
26 楼
我觉得不是水平问题，而是兴趣问题，wisdom应该是个活的东西，不是背诵课本，
关键一个人要有兴趣既读书又读心。还open mind.
【在 b**d 的大作中提到】
: 她搞的东西水平那么低，你也支持？ 拿她跟J那种人比？ 你开玩笑呢吧。
关键一个人要有兴趣既读书又读心。还open mind.
【在 b**d 的大作中提到】
: 她搞的东西水平那么低，你也支持？ 拿她跟J那种人比？ 你开玩笑呢吧。
l*l
27 楼
嗯， yes
【在 f*******8 的大作中提到】
: 我觉得不是水平问题，而是兴趣问题，wisdom应该是个活的东西，不是背诵课本，
: 关键一个人要有兴趣既读书又读心。还open mind.
【在 f*******8 的大作中提到】
: 我觉得不是水平问题，而是兴趣问题，wisdom应该是个活的东西，不是背诵课本，
: 关键一个人要有兴趣既读书又读心。还open mind.
b*d
28 楼
她最喜欢背self help books啦。 我觉得她对评价别人，研究别人很感兴趣，没瞧出她
对佛法有兴趣。你是真有耐心，而且很宽容。 俺不大喜欢被别人研究。 她把我们当什
么？精神病？还是什么？她对你的客气和尊重，我个人认为是装出来的。 不好意思。
这么无聊加无礼的人，我觉得还是离远点好。
【在 f*******8 的大作中提到】
: 我觉得不是水平问题，而是兴趣问题，wisdom应该是个活的东西，不是背诵课本，
: 关键一个人要有兴趣既读书又读心。还open mind.
对佛法有兴趣。你是真有耐心，而且很宽容。 俺不大喜欢被别人研究。 她把我们当什
么？精神病？还是什么？她对你的客气和尊重，我个人认为是装出来的。 不好意思。
这么无聊加无礼的人，我觉得还是离远点好。
【在 f*******8 的大作中提到】
: 我觉得不是水平问题，而是兴趣问题，wisdom应该是个活的东西，不是背诵课本，
: 关键一个人要有兴趣既读书又读心。还open mind.
b*d
29 楼
说得非常对，但是这个美眉不是你说的那种人。。。。。。。
【在 f*******8 的大作中提到】
: 我觉得不是水平问题，而是兴趣问题，wisdom应该是个活的东西，不是背诵课本，
: 关键一个人要有兴趣既读书又读心。还open mind.
【在 f*******8 的大作中提到】
: 我觉得不是水平问题，而是兴趣问题，wisdom应该是个活的东西，不是背诵课本，
: 关键一个人要有兴趣既读书又读心。还open mind.
b*d
30 楼
你去竞选斑竹吧，俺觉得你蛮合适的。
【在 l*******l 的大作中提到】
: 嗯， yes
【在 l*******l 的大作中提到】
: 嗯， yes
f*8
31 楼
。
读心不是读别人的心，不是读你的心，而是了解“自心”。
米勒日巴诗歌集：
尊者就为大师讲解消释各种疑惑，最后总述真言乘之见、行、修要点，
并特别宣说修传派之见、行、修精要于此歌曰：
"'见'者自观自心之谓也，若于自心之外寻别物，
如彼武士寻宝惟徒劳，那结比丘善士应知悉！
'修'者决定不除沉掉也，修时若以沉掉为过患，
则如白昼燃灯成空费，那结比丘善士应知悉！
'行'者决定不取亦不舍，行时若取若舍成自缚，
如彼蜜蜂入网难解脱，那结比丘善士应知悉！
守持密乘三昧耶戒者，心常决定住于空见之谓也，
若于本无可守密戒外，另寻其他可守之戒律，
则如水源头上再寻头，徒劳自苦那结应知悉！
'果'如澈明自心决定也，若于无碍果外另寻果，
如彼乌龟跳跃欲上天，那结比丘善士应知悉！
上师应向自心内寻觅，若于心外别求另上师，
则如摈舍自心徒空劳，那结比丘善士应知悉！
一切外境一切所显现，归元无不摄归于自心，
那结比丘善士应知悉！"
----------------
（其中关于不除沉掉的说法，我似懂非懂，半懂。此注）
【在 b**d 的大作中提到】
: 她最喜欢背self help books啦。 我觉得她对评价别人，研究别人很感兴趣，没瞧出她
: 对佛法有兴趣。你是真有耐心，而且很宽容。 俺不大喜欢被别人研究。 她把我们当什
: 么？精神病？还是什么？她对你的客气和尊重，我个人认为是装出来的。 不好意思。
: 这么无聊加无礼的人，我觉得还是离远点好。
T*y
32 楼
Am I true or not? Time can tell.
"没瞧出她对佛法有兴趣。" I have never said that I am a Buddhist, what I am
interested in is the explanation of this Universe, the wisdom, not just
Buddhism. I still have many doubts about Buddhism. I have asked some
questions here, and I reserve my opinions.
"她把我们当什么？精神病？还是什么？" What is that "我们"? I spent long time
talking to you (you alone, not others) on your fear of death, and your
misjudging my intention as either cursing you or challenging you, but those
were not my intentions. If you want to avoid death, that's fine. For myself,
I see death as part of the cycle in life, and I accept death, my own and
others', peacefully.
她对佛法有兴趣。你是真有耐心，而且很宽容。 俺不大喜欢被别人研究。 她把我们当
什么？精神病？还是什么？她对你的客气和尊重，我个人认为是装出来的。 不好意思。
【在 b**d 的大作中提到】
: 她最喜欢背self help books啦。 我觉得她对评价别人，研究别人很感兴趣，没瞧出她
: 对佛法有兴趣。你是真有耐心，而且很宽容。 俺不大喜欢被别人研究。 她把我们当什
: 么？精神病？还是什么？她对你的客气和尊重，我个人认为是装出来的。 不好意思。
: 这么无聊加无礼的人，我觉得还是离远点好。
"没瞧出她对佛法有兴趣。" I have never said that I am a Buddhist, what I am
interested in is the explanation of this Universe, the wisdom, not just
Buddhism. I still have many doubts about Buddhism. I have asked some
questions here, and I reserve my opinions.
"她把我们当什么？精神病？还是什么？" What is that "我们"? I spent long time
talking to you (you alone, not others) on your fear of death, and your
misjudging my intention as either cursing you or challenging you, but those
were not my intentions. If you want to avoid death, that's fine. For myself,
I see death as part of the cycle in life, and I accept death, my own and
others', peacefully.
她对佛法有兴趣。你是真有耐心，而且很宽容。 俺不大喜欢被别人研究。 她把我们当
什么？精神病？还是什么？她对你的客气和尊重，我个人认为是装出来的。 不好意思。
【在 b**d 的大作中提到】
: 她最喜欢背self help books啦。 我觉得她对评价别人，研究别人很感兴趣，没瞧出她
: 对佛法有兴趣。你是真有耐心，而且很宽容。 俺不大喜欢被别人研究。 她把我们当什
: 么？精神病？还是什么？她对你的客气和尊重，我个人认为是装出来的。 不好意思。
: 这么无聊加无礼的人，我觉得还是离远点好。
T*y
33 楼
sigh, you know why I don't read much of the old Sutra? I can't understand it
. It's so much easier to read English books.
What do you mean here ah? Or, is it "读心不是读别人的心，不是读你的心，而是
了解“自心”"?
【在 f*******8 的大作中提到】
:
: 。
: 读心不是读别人的心，不是读你的心，而是了解“自心”。
: 米勒日巴诗歌集：
: 尊者就为大师讲解消释各种疑惑，最后总述真言乘之见、行、修要点，
: 并特别宣说修传派之见、行、修精要于此歌曰：
: "'见'者自观自心之谓也，若于自心之外寻别物，
: 如彼武士寻宝惟徒劳，那结比丘善士应知悉！
: '修'者决定不除沉掉也，修时若以沉掉为过患，
: 则如白昼燃灯成空费，那结比丘善士应知悉！
. It's so much easier to read English books.
What do you mean here ah? Or, is it "读心不是读别人的心，不是读你的心，而是
了解“自心”"?
【在 f*******8 的大作中提到】
:
: 。
: 读心不是读别人的心，不是读你的心，而是了解“自心”。
: 米勒日巴诗歌集：
: 尊者就为大师讲解消释各种疑惑，最后总述真言乘之见、行、修要点，
: 并特别宣说修传派之见、行、修精要于此歌曰：
: "'见'者自观自心之谓也，若于自心之外寻别物，
: 如彼武士寻宝惟徒劳，那结比丘善士应知悉！
: '修'者决定不除沉掉也，修时若以沉掉为过患，
: 则如白昼燃灯成空费，那结比丘善士应知悉！
d*e
34 楼
我当然记得你来这里和我的对话,
我感觉你是个比较强硬的人.我可能缺乏你那种强硬,
我如果有那个品质,我今天就不会是这样了....
我不反对你当班主,我对谁当都不太在乎,
但是,有人怕SEEU当,好象SEEU当,天就会塌了一样,
这么强烈的一种想控制版面的愿望,我很好奇是为什么?
我对你没什么,只是觉得你来的时间还少,SEEU比你久,
我们大概知道他的经历,性别,甚至收入,工作性质,
如果你有诚意的话,你不妨介绍一下你自己好吗?
这样大家对你有所了解,也增加信任感.
班主还是要灌一定时间,从天而降一个会把这个版面变成
一个让人困惑的地方.
time
those
myself,
【在 T*******y 的大作中提到】
: Am I true or not? Time can tell.
: "没瞧出她对佛法有兴趣。" I have never said that I am a Buddhist, what I am
: interested in is the explanation of this Universe, the wisdom, not just
: Buddhism. I still have many doubts about Buddhism. I have asked some
: questions here, and I reserve my opinions.
: "她把我们当什么？精神病？还是什么？" What is that "我们"? I spent long time
: talking to you (you alone, not others) on your fear of death, and your
: misjudging my intention as either cursing you or challenging you, but those
: were not my intentions. If you want to avoid death, that's fine. For myself,
: I see death as part of the cycle in life, and I accept death, my own and
我感觉你是个比较强硬的人.我可能缺乏你那种强硬,
我如果有那个品质,我今天就不会是这样了....
我不反对你当班主,我对谁当都不太在乎,
但是,有人怕SEEU当,好象SEEU当,天就会塌了一样,
这么强烈的一种想控制版面的愿望,我很好奇是为什么?
我对你没什么,只是觉得你来的时间还少,SEEU比你久,
我们大概知道他的经历,性别,甚至收入,工作性质,
如果你有诚意的话,你不妨介绍一下你自己好吗?
这样大家对你有所了解,也增加信任感.
班主还是要灌一定时间,从天而降一个会把这个版面变成
一个让人困惑的地方.
time
those
myself,
【在 T*******y 的大作中提到】
: Am I true or not? Time can tell.
: "没瞧出她对佛法有兴趣。" I have never said that I am a Buddhist, what I am
: interested in is the explanation of this Universe, the wisdom, not just
: Buddhism. I still have many doubts about Buddhism. I have asked some
: questions here, and I reserve my opinions.
: "她把我们当什么？精神病？还是什么？" What is that "我们"? I spent long time
: talking to you (you alone, not others) on your fear of death, and your
: misjudging my intention as either cursing you or challenging you, but those
: were not my intentions. If you want to avoid death, that's fine. For myself,
: I see death as part of the cycle in life, and I accept death, my own and
J*s
35 楼
Is here any relationship between whether can be a BM with 经历,性别,甚至收入
,工作性质?
【在 d******e 的大作中提到】
: 我当然记得你来这里和我的对话,
: 我感觉你是个比较强硬的人.我可能缺乏你那种强硬,
: 我如果有那个品质,我今天就不会是这样了....
: 我不反对你当班主,我对谁当都不太在乎,
: 但是,有人怕SEEU当,好象SEEU当,天就会塌了一样,
: 这么强烈的一种想控制版面的愿望,我很好奇是为什么?
: 我对你没什么,只是觉得你来的时间还少,SEEU比你久,
: 我们大概知道他的经历,性别,甚至收入,工作性质,
: 如果你有诚意的话,你不妨介绍一下你自己好吗?
: 这样大家对你有所了解,也增加信任感.
,工作性质?
【在 d******e 的大作中提到】
: 我当然记得你来这里和我的对话,
: 我感觉你是个比较强硬的人.我可能缺乏你那种强硬,
: 我如果有那个品质,我今天就不会是这样了....
: 我不反对你当班主,我对谁当都不太在乎,
: 但是,有人怕SEEU当,好象SEEU当,天就会塌了一样,
: 这么强烈的一种想控制版面的愿望,我很好奇是为什么?
: 我对你没什么,只是觉得你来的时间还少,SEEU比你久,
: 我们大概知道他的经历,性别,甚至收入,工作性质,
: 如果你有诚意的话,你不妨介绍一下你自己好吗?
: 这样大家对你有所了解,也增加信任感.
d*e
36 楼
我从来不把这里看成一个灌水的地方,这里的人,我并不了解,
了解一下,对这个版面是好的.
大家真诚相待,这是一种姿态.
你在生活中碰到的人,你大概就会知道方的,圆的,那个接缘分
的效率是很高的,网确实是个障碍.你可能聊了几年,
你根本不了解对方的价值观.
当然,我要求比较过分,因为,我处世比较谨小慎微那类的.
你当然可以反对我的观点.
【在 J******s 的大作中提到】
: Is here any relationship between whether can be a BM with 经历,性别,甚至收入
: ,工作性质?
了解一下,对这个版面是好的.
大家真诚相待,这是一种姿态.
你在生活中碰到的人,你大概就会知道方的,圆的,那个接缘分
的效率是很高的,网确实是个障碍.你可能聊了几年,
你根本不了解对方的价值观.
当然,我要求比较过分,因为,我处世比较谨小慎微那类的.
你当然可以反对我的观点.
【在 J******s 的大作中提到】
: Is here any relationship between whether can be a BM with 经历,性别,甚至收入
: ,工作性质?
J*s
37 楼
That is fine, I just meant here is wisdom board for communication of
knowledge in wisdom or just watering to have fun.
The personal information is not so important for whether can be a good BM.
And I do not think it is necessary to show so much to other IDs.
Here may be a platform to make friends, but not always.
【在 d******e 的大作中提到】
: 我从来不把这里看成一个灌水的地方,这里的人,我并不了解,
: 了解一下,对这个版面是好的.
: 大家真诚相待,这是一种姿态.
: 你在生活中碰到的人,你大概就会知道方的,圆的,那个接缘分
: 的效率是很高的,网确实是个障碍.你可能聊了几年,
: 你根本不了解对方的价值观.
: 当然,我要求比较过分,因为,我处世比较谨小慎微那类的.
: 你当然可以反对我的观点.
knowledge in wisdom or just watering to have fun.
The personal information is not so important for whether can be a good BM.
And I do not think it is necessary to show so much to other IDs.
Here may be a platform to make friends, but not always.
【在 d******e 的大作中提到】
: 我从来不把这里看成一个灌水的地方,这里的人,我并不了解,
: 了解一下,对这个版面是好的.
: 大家真诚相待,这是一种姿态.
: 你在生活中碰到的人,你大概就会知道方的,圆的,那个接缘分
: 的效率是很高的,网确实是个障碍.你可能聊了几年,
: 你根本不了解对方的价值观.
: 当然,我要求比较过分,因为,我处世比较谨小慎微那类的.
: 你当然可以反对我的观点.
J*s
38 楼
But now I think I know you much better than before, and you should be a
quite good mom and woman. :-)
【在 d******e 的大作中提到】
: 我从来不把这里看成一个灌水的地方,这里的人,我并不了解,
: 了解一下,对这个版面是好的.
: 大家真诚相待,这是一种姿态.
: 你在生活中碰到的人,你大概就会知道方的,圆的,那个接缘分
: 的效率是很高的,网确实是个障碍.你可能聊了几年,
: 你根本不了解对方的价值观.
: 当然,我要求比较过分,因为,我处世比较谨小慎微那类的.
: 你当然可以反对我的观点.
quite good mom and woman. :-)
【在 d******e 的大作中提到】
: 我从来不把这里看成一个灌水的地方,这里的人,我并不了解,
: 了解一下,对这个版面是好的.
: 大家真诚相待,这是一种姿态.
: 你在生活中碰到的人,你大概就会知道方的,圆的,那个接缘分
: 的效率是很高的,网确实是个障碍.你可能聊了几年,
: 你根本不了解对方的价值观.
: 当然,我要求比较过分,因为,我处世比较谨小慎微那类的.
: 你当然可以反对我的观点.
D*r
39 楼
网上还是注意自我保护为好，毕竟这里不是可以同城聚会的地方版
【在 J******s 的大作中提到】
: That is fine, I just meant here is wisdom board for communication of
: knowledge in wisdom or just watering to have fun.
: The personal information is not so important for whether can be a good BM.
: And I do not think it is necessary to show so much to other IDs.
: Here may be a platform to make friends, but not always.
【在 J******s 的大作中提到】
: That is fine, I just meant here is wisdom board for communication of
: knowledge in wisdom or just watering to have fun.
: The personal information is not so important for whether can be a good BM.
: And I do not think it is necessary to show so much to other IDs.
: Here may be a platform to make friends, but not always.
J*s
40 楼
yeah, you are absolutely right!
【在 D******r 的大作中提到】
: 网上还是注意自我保护为好，毕竟这里不是可以同城聚会的地方版
【在 D******r 的大作中提到】
: 网上还是注意自我保护为好，毕竟这里不是可以同城聚会的地方版
d*e
41 楼
那也不是,我一向对人高标准,严要求.
我比较挑剔,非常挑剔,PICKY,就是了.
【在 J******s 的大作中提到】
: But now I think I know you much better than before, and you should be a
: quite good mom and woman. :-)
我比较挑剔,非常挑剔,PICKY,就是了.
【在 J******s 的大作中提到】
: But now I think I know you much better than before, and you should be a
: quite good mom and woman. :-)
J*s
42 楼
good to know :-)
But to 比较挑剔 the IDs here is unnecessary, and why should they be the
targets of your 挑剔? If you like, just reply their posts, otherwise do not.
Happy!
【在 d******e 的大作中提到】
: 那也不是,我一向对人高标准,严要求.
: 我比较挑剔,非常挑剔,PICKY,就是了.
But to 比较挑剔 the IDs here is unnecessary, and why should they be the
targets of your 挑剔? If you like, just reply their posts, otherwise do not.
Happy!
【在 d******e 的大作中提到】
: 那也不是,我一向对人高标准,严要求.
: 我比较挑剔,非常挑剔,PICKY,就是了.
d*e
43 楼
我考虑不周了,灌得忘乎所以了,
不过,我相信,
路遥知马力,日久见人心.
【在 D******r 的大作中提到】
: 网上还是注意自我保护为好，毕竟这里不是可以同城聚会的地方版
不过,我相信,
路遥知马力,日久见人心.
【在 D******r 的大作中提到】
: 网上还是注意自我保护为好，毕竟这里不是可以同城聚会的地方版
J*s
44 楼
re this sentence!!!
【在 d******e 的大作中提到】
: 我考虑不周了,灌得忘乎所以了,
: 不过,我相信,
: 路遥知马力,日久见人心.
【在 d******e 的大作中提到】
: 我考虑不周了,灌得忘乎所以了,
: 不过,我相信,
: 路遥知马力,日久见人心.
N*n
45 楼
佛性从禅修的体验上来讲,其实很简单.佛性就是我们的awareness. 我们每个人生来都
有awareness, 所以是本来俱足的. 大多数作过禅修的人,应该都会知道awareness是禅
修的核心. Meditation, 就是"keep your awareness present".
【在 T*******y 的大作中提到】
: I see. I am only at about 1/5th of it.
: Is this wiki explanation on tathagatagarbha that's what you meant?
: 佛性（梵文：sk. Tathāgatagarbha, Buddhatva），佛教术语，也叫觉性、自性、真
: 如、实相、如来藏、圆觉等。
: 佛性一词在不同的情况下可有不同的内涵。《涅槃经》说“佛性有种种名，于一佛性，
: 亦名法性、涅槃，亦名般若、一乘，亦名首楞严三昧、狮子吼三昧”。大乘佛教的一些
: 经典认为一切众生皆有佛性，一切众生都有觉悟成佛的可能性。但众生因迷妄的深浅，
: 而有贤愚、明昧的不同。
: 在早期結集的佛教經典中並無相關記載，此為公元一世紀後，後般若經時期及唯識初期
: 所出現之用詞，已經引入印度奧義書和其他教派思想的觀念，為大乘佛教"有宗"的核心
有awareness, 所以是本来俱足的. 大多数作过禅修的人,应该都会知道awareness是禅
修的核心. Meditation, 就是"keep your awareness present".
【在 T*******y 的大作中提到】
: I see. I am only at about 1/5th of it.
: Is this wiki explanation on tathagatagarbha that's what you meant?
: 佛性（梵文：sk. Tathāgatagarbha, Buddhatva），佛教术语，也叫觉性、自性、真
: 如、实相、如来藏、圆觉等。
: 佛性一词在不同的情况下可有不同的内涵。《涅槃经》说“佛性有种种名，于一佛性，
: 亦名法性、涅槃，亦名般若、一乘，亦名首楞严三昧、狮子吼三昧”。大乘佛教的一些
: 经典认为一切众生皆有佛性，一切众生都有觉悟成佛的可能性。但众生因迷妄的深浅，
: 而有贤愚、明昧的不同。
: 在早期結集的佛教經典中並無相關記載，此為公元一世紀後，後般若經時期及唯識初期
: 所出現之用詞，已經引入印度奧義書和其他教派思想的觀念，為大乘佛教"有宗"的核心
J*s
46 楼
chapter 7 and 8 are quite nice!
thanks for your recommendation
【在 N*******n 的大作中提到】
: 佛性从禅修的体验上来讲,其实很简单.佛性就是我们的awareness. 我们每个人生来都
: 有awareness, 所以是本来俱足的. 大多数作过禅修的人,应该都会知道awareness是禅
: 修的核心. Meditation, 就是"keep your awareness present".
thanks for your recommendation
【在 N*******n 的大作中提到】
: 佛性从禅修的体验上来讲,其实很简单.佛性就是我们的awareness. 我们每个人生来都
: 有awareness, 所以是本来俱足的. 大多数作过禅修的人,应该都会知道awareness是禅
: 修的核心. Meditation, 就是"keep your awareness present".
T*y
47 楼
"有人怕SEEU当,好象SEEU当,天就会塌了一样"
I don't know who you are talking about. Not me at least.
I don't mind who is the BM, and I don't want to be a BM.
SeeU could use this chance to really think how he evaluates the past,
especially his relationship with Yisu. Is it due to different opinions on
different sects in Buddhism, or what? I don't know the history enough, and I
was often reminded of the history on this board here.
【在 d******e 的大作中提到】
: 我当然记得你来这里和我的对话,
: 我感觉你是个比较强硬的人.我可能缺乏你那种强硬,
: 我如果有那个品质,我今天就不会是这样了....
: 我不反对你当班主,我对谁当都不太在乎,
: 但是,有人怕SEEU当,好象SEEU当,天就会塌了一样,
: 这么强烈的一种想控制版面的愿望,我很好奇是为什么?
: 我对你没什么,只是觉得你来的时间还少,SEEU比你久,
: 我们大概知道他的经历,性别,甚至收入,工作性质,
: 如果你有诚意的话,你不妨介绍一下你自己好吗?
: 这样大家对你有所了解,也增加信任感.
I don't know who you are talking about. Not me at least.
I don't mind who is the BM, and I don't want to be a BM.
SeeU could use this chance to really think how he evaluates the past,
especially his relationship with Yisu. Is it due to different opinions on
different sects in Buddhism, or what? I don't know the history enough, and I
was often reminded of the history on this board here.
【在 d******e 的大作中提到】
: 我当然记得你来这里和我的对话,
: 我感觉你是个比较强硬的人.我可能缺乏你那种强硬,
: 我如果有那个品质,我今天就不会是这样了....
: 我不反对你当班主,我对谁当都不太在乎,
: 但是,有人怕SEEU当,好象SEEU当,天就会塌了一样,
: 这么强烈的一种想控制版面的愿望,我很好奇是为什么?
: 我对你没什么,只是觉得你来的时间还少,SEEU比你久,
: 我们大概知道他的经历,性别,甚至收入,工作性质,
: 如果你有诚意的话,你不妨介绍一下你自己好吗?
: 这样大家对你有所了解,也增加信任感.
T*y
48 楼
en, that's what I thought.
I listened a bit more yesterday onto the second disc, about witnessing the thoughts and emotions coming and going, not as the absolute, etc, that's exactly what I have been doing, and what I had learned from The Work by Byron Katie.
A notion in this book is that emptyness shows the unlimited possibilities, including thoughts, and that's how The Work could help people assimilate the turn-around thoughts as an entry-point into this physical world after checking the original thoughts, which were believed to be true, but not true, or not the only thought to be true.
I'm looking forward to the later part of this book.
【在 N*******n 的大作中提到】
: 佛性从禅修的体验上来讲,其实很简单.佛性就是我们的awareness. 我们每个人生来都
: 有awareness, 所以是本来俱足的. 大多数作过禅修的人,应该都会知道awareness是禅
: 修的核心. Meditation, 就是"keep your awareness present".
I listened a bit more yesterday onto the second disc, about witnessing the thoughts and emotions coming and going, not as the absolute, etc, that's exactly what I have been doing, and what I had learned from The Work by Byron Katie.
A notion in this book is that emptyness shows the unlimited possibilities, including thoughts, and that's how The Work could help people assimilate the turn-around thoughts as an entry-point into this physical world after checking the original thoughts, which were believed to be true, but not true, or not the only thought to be true.
I'm looking forward to the later part of this book.
【在 N*******n 的大作中提到】
: 佛性从禅修的体验上来讲,其实很简单.佛性就是我们的awareness. 我们每个人生来都
: 有awareness, 所以是本来俱足的. 大多数作过禅修的人,应该都会知道awareness是禅
: 修的核心. Meditation, 就是"keep your awareness present".
d*e
49 楼
无所谓,我就是想看天塌下来什么样.
这里有人想证明什么给我看,给大家看,我知道,就是看怎么玩.
我不愿意被人控制逻辑思维的自由度.
I
【在 T*******y 的大作中提到】
: "有人怕SEEU当,好象SEEU当,天就会塌了一样"
: I don't know who you are talking about. Not me at least.
: I don't mind who is the BM, and I don't want to be a BM.
: SeeU could use this chance to really think how he evaluates the past,
: especially his relationship with Yisu. Is it due to different opinions on
: different sects in Buddhism, or what? I don't know the history enough, and I
: was often reminded of the history on this board here.
这里有人想证明什么给我看,给大家看,我知道,就是看怎么玩.
我不愿意被人控制逻辑思维的自由度.
I
【在 T*******y 的大作中提到】
: "有人怕SEEU当,好象SEEU当,天就会塌了一样"
: I don't know who you are talking about. Not me at least.
: I don't mind who is the BM, and I don't want to be a BM.
: SeeU could use this chance to really think how he evaluates the past,
: especially his relationship with Yisu. Is it due to different opinions on
: different sects in Buddhism, or what? I don't know the history enough, and I
: was often reminded of the history on this board here.
T*y
50 楼
hehe.天 will never 塌下来. Don't 杞人忧天 le. :-)
【在 d******e 的大作中提到】
: 无所谓,我就是想看天塌下来什么样.
: 这里有人想证明什么给我看,给大家看,我知道,就是看怎么玩.
: 我不愿意被人控制逻辑思维的自由度.
:
: I
【在 d******e 的大作中提到】
: 无所谓,我就是想看天塌下来什么样.
: 这里有人想证明什么给我看,给大家看,我知道,就是看怎么玩.
: 我不愿意被人控制逻辑思维的自由度.
:
: I
d*e
51 楼
天快塌下来了,这里塌比较好,更多的人意识到,
真的天塌了,人死了,我还不至于坏到无动于衷的!!!
【在 T*******y 的大作中提到】
: hehe.天 will never 塌下来. Don't 杞人忧天 le. :-)
真的天塌了,人死了,我还不至于坏到无动于衷的!!!
【在 T*******y 的大作中提到】
: hehe.天 will never 塌下来. Don't 杞人忧天 le. :-)
N*n
52 楼
Glad you like the book!
【在 J******s 的大作中提到】
: chapter 7 and 8 are quite nice!
: thanks for your recommendation
【在 J******s 的大作中提到】
: chapter 7 and 8 are quite nice!
: thanks for your recommendation
N*n
53 楼
Glad you find similarity between The Work and this book. Wish you benefit
from both of the books.
thoughts and emotions coming and going, not as the absolute, etc, that's
exactly what I have been doing, and what I had learned from The Work by
Byron Katie.
including thoughts, and that's how The Work could help people assimilate
the turn-around thoughts as an entry-point into this physical world after
checking the original thoughts, which were believed to be true, but not true
, or not the only thought to be true.
【在 T*******y 的大作中提到】
: en, that's what I thought.
: I listened a bit more yesterday onto the second disc, about witnessing the thoughts and emotions coming and going, not as the absolute, etc, that's exactly what I have been doing, and what I had learned from The Work by Byron Katie.
: A notion in this book is that emptyness shows the unlimited possibilities, including thoughts, and that's how The Work could help people assimilate the turn-around thoughts as an entry-point into this physical world after checking the original thoughts, which were believed to be true, but not true, or not the only thought to be true.
: I'm looking forward to the later part of this book.
from both of the books.
thoughts and emotions coming and going, not as the absolute, etc, that's
exactly what I have been doing, and what I had learned from The Work by
Byron Katie.
including thoughts, and that's how The Work could help people assimilate
the turn-around thoughts as an entry-point into this physical world after
checking the original thoughts, which were believed to be true, but not true
, or not the only thought to be true.
【在 T*******y 的大作中提到】
: en, that's what I thought.
: I listened a bit more yesterday onto the second disc, about witnessing the thoughts and emotions coming and going, not as the absolute, etc, that's exactly what I have been doing, and what I had learned from The Work by Byron Katie.
: A notion in this book is that emptyness shows the unlimited possibilities, including thoughts, and that's how The Work could help people assimilate the turn-around thoughts as an entry-point into this physical world after checking the original thoughts, which were believed to be true, but not true, or not the only thought to be true.
: I'm looking forward to the later part of this book.
b*d
54 楼
这段话，基本属于驴唇不对马嘴，整个的和我的帖不相干。 说明，一，你看不懂中文
，二，你英文很差，表达也有问题。 既然如此，我就不算你造谣，你自己回去反省吧
。 这种垃圾帖，我就不回啦。
time
those
myself,
【在 T*******y 的大作中提到】
: Am I true or not? Time can tell.
: "没瞧出她对佛法有兴趣。" I have never said that I am a Buddhist, what I am
: interested in is the explanation of this Universe, the wisdom, not just
: Buddhism. I still have many doubts about Buddhism. I have asked some
: questions here, and I reserve my opinions.
: "她把我们当什么？精神病？还是什么？" What is that "我们"? I spent long time
: talking to you (you alone, not others) on your fear of death, and your
: misjudging my intention as either cursing you or challenging you, but those
: were not my intentions. If you want to avoid death, that's fine. For myself,
: I see death as part of the cycle in life, and I accept death, my own and
，二，你英文很差，表达也有问题。 既然如此，我就不算你造谣，你自己回去反省吧
。 这种垃圾帖，我就不回啦。
time
those
myself,
【在 T*******y 的大作中提到】
: Am I true or not? Time can tell.
: "没瞧出她对佛法有兴趣。" I have never said that I am a Buddhist, what I am
: interested in is the explanation of this Universe, the wisdom, not just
: Buddhism. I still have many doubts about Buddhism. I have asked some
: questions here, and I reserve my opinions.
: "她把我们当什么？精神病？还是什么？" What is that "我们"? I spent long time
: talking to you (you alone, not others) on your fear of death, and your
: misjudging my intention as either cursing you or challenging you, but those
: were not my intentions. If you want to avoid death, that's fine. For myself,
: I see death as part of the cycle in life, and I accept death, my own and
f*8
55 楼
it
我是接着bdbd的那个话说得，我说这个版要读书也要读心，看书也要看心，
这本来的意思是，学佛当然就是认识自己，认识自己当然就是了解自心--读心。
她接过话头，变成了她不喜欢别人读她的心。我就解释说：不是读你的心，
是自读自心---你可以把自己的心捂得严严的。
呵呵
不过另一方面，我相信，人要是能看自己的心，别人的心也就能看了，
佛如果不知众生心，怎么能教导人。
CWG里那个话，你们以为自己躲在家里做什么，上帝不知道么？
---------------
发信人: bdbd (kakali), 信区: Wisdom
标 题: Re: 空 emptyness is not nothingness.
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Tue Dec 20 20:43:18 2011, 美东)
她最喜欢背self help books啦。 我觉得她对评价别人，研究别人很感兴趣，没瞧出她
对佛法有兴趣。你是真有耐心，而且很宽容。 俺不大喜欢被别人研究。 她把我们当什
么？精神病？还是什么？她对你的客气和尊重，我个人认为是装出来的。 不好意思。
这么无聊加无礼的人，我觉得还是离远点好。
【在 T*******y 的大作中提到】
: sigh, you know why I don't read much of the old Sutra? I can't understand it
: . It's so much easier to read English books.
: What do you mean here ah? Or, is it "读心不是读别人的心，不是读你的心，而是
: 了解“自心”"?
J*s
56 楼
我们其实都不喜欢别人读自己，尤其是读出些不够好的东西，很多时候和我们自己的
self-image不附和。
我们又很不喜欢读自己，虽然佛法强调的就是这个。
但是我们很倾向去读别人，并且以自己的经验做判断。
哈哈
【在 f*******8 的大作中提到】
:
: it
: 我是接着bdbd的那个话说得，我说这个版要读书也要读心，看书也要看心，
: 这本来的意思是，学佛当然就是认识自己，认识自己当然就是了解自心--读心。
: 她接过话头，变成了她不喜欢别人读她的心。我就解释说：不是读你的心，
: 是自读自心---你可以把自己的心捂得严严的。
: 呵呵
: 不过另一方面，我相信，人要是能看自己的心，别人的心也就能看了，
: 佛如果不知众生心，怎么能教导人。
: CWG里那个话，你们以为自己躲在家里做什么，上帝不知道么？
self-image不附和。
我们又很不喜欢读自己，虽然佛法强调的就是这个。
但是我们很倾向去读别人，并且以自己的经验做判断。
哈哈
【在 f*******8 的大作中提到】
:
: it
: 我是接着bdbd的那个话说得，我说这个版要读书也要读心，看书也要看心，
: 这本来的意思是，学佛当然就是认识自己，认识自己当然就是了解自心--读心。
: 她接过话头，变成了她不喜欢别人读她的心。我就解释说：不是读你的心，
: 是自读自心---你可以把自己的心捂得严严的。
: 呵呵
: 不过另一方面，我相信，人要是能看自己的心，别人的心也就能看了，
: 佛如果不知众生心，怎么能教导人。
: CWG里那个话，你们以为自己躲在家里做什么，上帝不知道么？
f*8
57 楼
所以我觉得，打架是物理反应，恋爱是化学反应，宗教就是核子反应，
真要是核心问题被触及了，那反应就大了，很难hold住啊。
【在 J******s 的大作中提到】
: 我们其实都不喜欢别人读自己，尤其是读出些不够好的东西，很多时候和我们自己的
: self-image不附和。
: 我们又很不喜欢读自己，虽然佛法强调的就是这个。
: 但是我们很倾向去读别人，并且以自己的经验做判断。
: 哈哈
真要是核心问题被触及了，那反应就大了，很难hold住啊。
【在 J******s 的大作中提到】
: 我们其实都不喜欢别人读自己，尤其是读出些不够好的东西，很多时候和我们自己的
: self-image不附和。
: 我们又很不喜欢读自己，虽然佛法强调的就是这个。
: 但是我们很倾向去读别人，并且以自己的经验做判断。
: 哈哈
b*d
58 楼
有些道理。但是更大的问题是，这些人都没有他心通，基本属于把自己乱猜的别人的心
当真的在班上讲，这个是妄语吧。
问题更大的是，有些人读自己的心，拼命的美化，读得还是错的。
读人家，读自己都是瞎读。
而且俺个人认为，过去的事情，let it go。live in now. 但是这个true story,一方
面要说live in now, 一方面又问一大堆问题让这个去反省，让那个去反省，自己又忽
然跑出来要clarify什么process. 导致大家误入歧途。
Move on. It is over. Practise, practise practise. 呼吸观alone can lead to
wakening. 没听过研究他人的想法，导致自己解脱的。。。。。。。。。Do not 浪费
时间。
【在 J******s 的大作中提到】
: 我们其实都不喜欢别人读自己，尤其是读出些不够好的东西，很多时候和我们自己的
: self-image不附和。
: 我们又很不喜欢读自己，虽然佛法强调的就是这个。
: 但是我们很倾向去读别人，并且以自己的经验做判断。
: 哈哈
当真的在班上讲，这个是妄语吧。
问题更大的是，有些人读自己的心，拼命的美化，读得还是错的。
读人家，读自己都是瞎读。
而且俺个人认为，过去的事情，let it go。live in now. 但是这个true story,一方
面要说live in now, 一方面又问一大堆问题让这个去反省，让那个去反省，自己又忽
然跑出来要clarify什么process. 导致大家误入歧途。
Move on. It is over. Practise, practise practise. 呼吸观alone can lead to
wakening. 没听过研究他人的想法，导致自己解脱的。。。。。。。。。Do not 浪费
时间。
【在 J******s 的大作中提到】
: 我们其实都不喜欢别人读自己，尤其是读出些不够好的东西，很多时候和我们自己的
: self-image不附和。
: 我们又很不喜欢读自己，虽然佛法强调的就是这个。
: 但是我们很倾向去读别人，并且以自己的经验做判断。
: 哈哈
J*s
59 楼
其实佛法所说，妄念对于我们这些没有解脱的普通人，几乎无时无刻不在发生。
：-）
【在 b**d 的大作中提到】
: 有些道理。但是更大的问题是，这些人都没有他心通，基本属于把自己乱猜的别人的心
: 当真的在班上讲，这个是妄语吧。
: 问题更大的是，有些人读自己的心，拼命的美化，读得还是错的。
: 读人家，读自己都是瞎读。
: 而且俺个人认为，过去的事情，let it go。live in now. 但是这个true story,一方
: 面要说live in now, 一方面又问一大堆问题让这个去反省，让那个去反省，自己又忽
: 然跑出来要clarify什么process. 导致大家误入歧途。
: Move on. It is over. Practise, practise practise. 呼吸观alone can lead to
: wakening. 没听过研究他人的想法，导致自己解脱的。。。。。。。。。Do not 浪费
: 时间。
：-）
【在 b**d 的大作中提到】
: 有些道理。但是更大的问题是，这些人都没有他心通，基本属于把自己乱猜的别人的心
: 当真的在班上讲，这个是妄语吧。
: 问题更大的是，有些人读自己的心，拼命的美化，读得还是错的。
: 读人家，读自己都是瞎读。
: 而且俺个人认为，过去的事情，let it go。live in now. 但是这个true story,一方
: 面要说live in now, 一方面又问一大堆问题让这个去反省，让那个去反省，自己又忽
: 然跑出来要clarify什么process. 导致大家误入歧途。
: Move on. It is over. Practise, practise practise. 呼吸观alone can lead to
: wakening. 没听过研究他人的想法，导致自己解脱的。。。。。。。。。Do not 浪费
: 时间。
T*y
60 楼
" 这种垃圾帖，我就不回啦。" :-)
基本属于驴唇不对马嘴
【在 b**d 的大作中提到】
: 这段话，基本属于驴唇不对马嘴，整个的和我的帖不相干。 说明，一，你看不懂中文
: ，二，你英文很差，表达也有问题。 既然如此，我就不算你造谣，你自己回去反省吧
: 。 这种垃圾帖，我就不回啦。
:
: time
: those
: myself,
基本属于驴唇不对马嘴
【在 b**d 的大作中提到】
: 这段话，基本属于驴唇不对马嘴，整个的和我的帖不相干。 说明，一，你看不懂中文
: ，二，你英文很差，表达也有问题。 既然如此，我就不算你造谣，你自己回去反省吧
: 。 这种垃圾帖，我就不回啦。
:
: time
: those
: myself,
T*y
61 楼
"这些人都没有他心通"
Empathy and compassion is not some mystery, such as the "他心通", that only
Buddhists can do. Everyone is capable of it.
You probably understand my words on face value for about 80%, but you
understand my meaning for about 50%.
"俺个人认为，过去的事情，let it go。live in now" You say this as if I am
talking about a different thing. I mean exactly this. Think about it.
心当真的在班上讲，这个是妄语吧。
【在 b**d 的大作中提到】
: 有些道理。但是更大的问题是，这些人都没有他心通，基本属于把自己乱猜的别人的心
: 当真的在班上讲，这个是妄语吧。
: 问题更大的是，有些人读自己的心，拼命的美化，读得还是错的。
: 读人家，读自己都是瞎读。
: 而且俺个人认为，过去的事情，let it go。live in now. 但是这个true story,一方
: 面要说live in now, 一方面又问一大堆问题让这个去反省，让那个去反省，自己又忽
: 然跑出来要clarify什么process. 导致大家误入歧途。
: Move on. It is over. Practise, practise practise. 呼吸观alone can lead to
: wakening. 没听过研究他人的想法，导致自己解脱的。。。。。。。。。Do not 浪费
: 时间。
Empathy and compassion is not some mystery, such as the "他心通", that only
Buddhists can do. Everyone is capable of it.
You probably understand my words on face value for about 80%, but you
understand my meaning for about 50%.
"俺个人认为，过去的事情，let it go。live in now" You say this as if I am
talking about a different thing. I mean exactly this. Think about it.
心当真的在班上讲，这个是妄语吧。
【在 b**d 的大作中提到】
: 有些道理。但是更大的问题是，这些人都没有他心通，基本属于把自己乱猜的别人的心
: 当真的在班上讲，这个是妄语吧。
: 问题更大的是，有些人读自己的心，拼命的美化，读得还是错的。
: 读人家，读自己都是瞎读。
: 而且俺个人认为，过去的事情，let it go。live in now. 但是这个true story,一方
: 面要说live in now, 一方面又问一大堆问题让这个去反省，让那个去反省，自己又忽
: 然跑出来要clarify什么process. 导致大家误入歧途。
: Move on. It is over. Practise, practise practise. 呼吸观alone can lead to
: wakening. 没听过研究他人的想法，导致自己解脱的。。。。。。。。。Do not 浪费
: 时间。
T*y
62 楼
okay, I see. Thanks for the explanation.
"不是读你的心，是自读自心"
This is true, as what we see is through our own projections.
"你可以把自己的心捂得严严的。"
en, for this I have some objection. It's not only hard, if not impossible,
but also unnecessary for one to hide.
I am for radical honesty and non-violent communications, and speaking our
minds are much easier to all parties involved. Once the thoughts are taken
out (typed down here or spoken in our daily life), they are subject to the
light (the Love), and if they are not true, they vanish automatically. Un-
investigated thoughts, especially the stressful or hurtful ones, are
powerful in their damage.
I once shared a video that you commented on, "The power of vulnerability",
that's what it's about.
【在 f*******8 的大作中提到】
: 所以我觉得，打架是物理反应，恋爱是化学反应，宗教就是核子反应，
: 真要是核心问题被触及了，那反应就大了，很难hold住啊。
"不是读你的心，是自读自心"
This is true, as what we see is through our own projections.
"你可以把自己的心捂得严严的。"
en, for this I have some objection. It's not only hard, if not impossible,
but also unnecessary for one to hide.
I am for radical honesty and non-violent communications, and speaking our
minds are much easier to all parties involved. Once the thoughts are taken
out (typed down here or spoken in our daily life), they are subject to the
light (the Love), and if they are not true, they vanish automatically. Un-
investigated thoughts, especially the stressful or hurtful ones, are
powerful in their damage.
I once shared a video that you commented on, "The power of vulnerability",
that's what it's about.
【在 f*******8 的大作中提到】
: 所以我觉得，打架是物理反应，恋爱是化学反应，宗教就是核子反应，
: 真要是核心问题被触及了，那反应就大了，很难hold住啊。
f*8
63 楼
我当时是为了让她释怀，不要担心别人读她的心。no worry。
呵呵，不过这在修行人看来，不让人读你的心，是没法修的，也根本不是修。
人要找个师父，他(她)连你肚里转什么心眼都看不清、看不见，还怎么当师父啊。
光天化日的，地球上人的心，在佛看来，根本就是透明，怎么可能捂得住。
所有的笨事蠢事，可以说都是掩耳盗铃。怎么可能没人知道。
无非是在佛的眼皮底下，自己捂着耳朵叮铃当啷跑来跑去，还以为别人看不见。
只是世界上这类事太多了，人家有必要一看再看么？
我同意。
我这些年一直在习惯这个，现在已经好很多了。
我已经完全习惯有些高人对我的心思看得一清二楚，不管好的不好的。
只是还不太习惯普通人这样，当然也没完全必要（这个事情的各方面还要再检视）。
现在体会，要keep radical honesty, 唯一的办法确实是love,
最少也是不害心。否则没法Open啊。
这点你比我做的好。
【在 T*******y 的大作中提到】
: okay, I see. Thanks for the explanation.
: "不是读你的心，是自读自心"
: This is true, as what we see is through our own projections.
: "你可以把自己的心捂得严严的。"
: en, for this I have some objection. It's not only hard, if not impossible,
: but also unnecessary for one to hide.
: I am for radical honesty and non-violent communications, and speaking our
: minds are much easier to all parties involved. Once the thoughts are taken
: out (typed down here or spoken in our daily life), they are subject to the
: light (the Love), and if they are not true, they vanish automatically. Un-
J*s
64 楼
When you were saying SeeU was hurt, you made your judgement based on your
understanding. When you were asking him to check himself with the questions
you adapted from Byron Katie,you also thought about him from your
projections.
bdbd was talking about different thing with you.
only
【在 T*******y 的大作中提到】
: "这些人都没有他心通"
: Empathy and compassion is not some mystery, such as the "他心通", that only
: Buddhists can do. Everyone is capable of it.
: You probably understand my words on face value for about 80%, but you
: understand my meaning for about 50%.
: "俺个人认为，过去的事情，let it go。live in now" You say this as if I am
: talking about a different thing. I mean exactly this. Think about it.
:
: 心当真的在班上讲，这个是妄语吧。
understanding. When you were asking him to check himself with the questions
you adapted from Byron Katie,you also thought about him from your
projections.
bdbd was talking about different thing with you.
only
【在 T*******y 的大作中提到】
: "这些人都没有他心通"
: Empathy and compassion is not some mystery, such as the "他心通", that only
: Buddhists can do. Everyone is capable of it.
: You probably understand my words on face value for about 80%, but you
: understand my meaning for about 50%.
: "俺个人认为，过去的事情，let it go。live in now" You say this as if I am
: talking about a different thing. I mean exactly this. Think about it.
:
: 心当真的在班上讲，这个是妄语吧。
T*y
65 楼
Thank you for commenting on this.
I have one more thing to say. Maybe it's automatic for you to compare
yourself with others, or maybe you want to be nice to me, to say that "这点
你比我做的好。" Well, we are all perfect as what we are right now, and there
's no need to compare.
【在 f*******8 的大作中提到】
:
: 我当时是为了让她释怀，不要担心别人读她的心。no worry。
: 呵呵，不过这在修行人看来，不让人读你的心，是没法修的，也根本不是修。
: 人要找个师父，他(她)连你肚里转什么心眼都看不清、看不见，还怎么当师父啊。
: 光天化日的，地球上人的心，在佛看来，根本就是透明，怎么可能捂得住。
: 所有的笨事蠢事，可以说都是掩耳盗铃。怎么可能没人知道。
: 无非是在佛的眼皮底下，自己捂着耳朵叮铃当啷跑来跑去，还以为别人看不见。
: 只是世界上这类事太多了，人家有必要一看再看么？
: 我同意。
: 我这些年一直在习惯这个，现在已经好很多了。
I have one more thing to say. Maybe it's automatic for you to compare
yourself with others, or maybe you want to be nice to me, to say that "这点
你比我做的好。" Well, we are all perfect as what we are right now, and there
's no need to compare.
【在 f*******8 的大作中提到】
:
: 我当时是为了让她释怀，不要担心别人读她的心。no worry。
: 呵呵，不过这在修行人看来，不让人读你的心，是没法修的，也根本不是修。
: 人要找个师父，他(她)连你肚里转什么心眼都看不清、看不见，还怎么当师父啊。
: 光天化日的，地球上人的心，在佛看来，根本就是透明，怎么可能捂得住。
: 所有的笨事蠢事，可以说都是掩耳盗铃。怎么可能没人知道。
: 无非是在佛的眼皮底下，自己捂着耳朵叮铃当啷跑来跑去，还以为别人看不见。
: 只是世界上这类事太多了，人家有必要一看再看么？
: 我同意。
: 我这些年一直在习惯这个，现在已经好很多了。
r*n
66 楼
嗯。见识过waichi后，我就不怕别人读心了，反正也拦不住！
【在 f*******8 的大作中提到】
:
: 我当时是为了让她释怀，不要担心别人读她的心。no worry。
: 呵呵，不过这在修行人看来，不让人读你的心，是没法修的，也根本不是修。
: 人要找个师父，他(她)连你肚里转什么心眼都看不清、看不见，还怎么当师父啊。
: 光天化日的，地球上人的心，在佛看来，根本就是透明，怎么可能捂得住。
: 所有的笨事蠢事，可以说都是掩耳盗铃。怎么可能没人知道。
: 无非是在佛的眼皮底下，自己捂着耳朵叮铃当啷跑来跑去，还以为别人看不见。
: 只是世界上这类事太多了，人家有必要一看再看么？
: 我同意。
: 我这些年一直在习惯这个，现在已经好很多了。
f*8
67 楼
这是两个层面的事情啊，这点我看得比较清。
一个层面是perfect层面，从来不增不减不垢不净，
另一层面是个人的特质，高低胖瘦，和个人习惯。
习惯是需要培养的，这一点，其实我看得越来越清楚了。
实际上这和我的打坐经历有关，
其实当时能将这两个层面的东西彻底分开。
只是需要很多年理解去理解和适应这两个层面之间的关系和作用。
【在 T*******y 的大作中提到】
: Thank you for commenting on this.
: I have one more thing to say. Maybe it's automatic for you to compare
: yourself with others, or maybe you want to be nice to me, to say that "这点
: 你比我做的好。" Well, we are all perfect as what we are right now, and there
: 's no need to compare.
T*y
68 楼
Yes, I was asking SeeU those questions based on my judgements, that's the best I could do, as a human being.
Yesterday I felt that SeeU was very defensive, and I was trying to break his shell.
This morning, however, in the posts I read from SeeU, he seemed to open up a bit, and I want to know what it was that I felt about him.
bdbd is a different story. She had assumed many things about me, and I am waiting to see whether she'll ever change her opinions about me.
【在 J******s 的大作中提到】
: When you were saying SeeU was hurt, you made your judgement based on your
: understanding. When you were asking him to check himself with the questions
: you adapted from Byron Katie,you also thought about him from your
: projections.
: bdbd was talking about different thing with you.
:
: only
Yesterday I felt that SeeU was very defensive, and I was trying to break his shell.
This morning, however, in the posts I read from SeeU, he seemed to open up a bit, and I want to know what it was that I felt about him.
bdbd is a different story. She had assumed many things about me, and I am waiting to see whether she'll ever change her opinions about me.
【在 J******s 的大作中提到】
: When you were saying SeeU was hurt, you made your judgement based on your
: understanding. When you were asking him to check himself with the questions
: you adapted from Byron Katie,you also thought about him from your
: projections.
: bdbd was talking about different thing with you.
:
: only
J*s
69 楼
I can tell you I had quite different feelings with you yesterday. I did not
see he was defensive. So judgements are quite personal.
his
a
questions
【在 T*******y 的大作中提到】
: Yes, I was asking SeeU those questions based on my judgements, that's the best I could do, as a human being.
: Yesterday I felt that SeeU was very defensive, and I was trying to break his shell.
: This morning, however, in the posts I read from SeeU, he seemed to open up a bit, and I want to know what it was that I felt about him.
: bdbd is a different story. She had assumed many things about me, and I am waiting to see whether she'll ever change her opinions about me.
see he was defensive. So judgements are quite personal.
his
a
questions
【在 T*******y 的大作中提到】
: Yes, I was asking SeeU those questions based on my judgements, that's the best I could do, as a human being.
: Yesterday I felt that SeeU was very defensive, and I was trying to break his shell.
: This morning, however, in the posts I read from SeeU, he seemed to open up a bit, and I want to know what it was that I felt about him.
: bdbd is a different story. She had assumed many things about me, and I am waiting to see whether she'll ever change her opinions about me.
f*8
70 楼
而且，开始还怕别人看，
后来才理解，人家有什么必要看啊，不就是那么些事儿么。
我想这就好像地球上的政府，保守很多外星人机密，在发达的世界来看，
这都是小孩藏东西，别人只是不能push你进步而已。
【在 r****n 的大作中提到】
:
: 嗯。见识过waichi后，我就不怕别人读心了，反正也拦不住！
f*8
71 楼
我觉得他有躲。
not
the
up
am
【在 J******s 的大作中提到】
: I can tell you I had quite different feelings with you yesterday. I did not
: see he was defensive. So judgements are quite personal.
:
: his
: a
: questions
not
the
up
am
【在 J******s 的大作中提到】
: I can tell you I had quite different feelings with you yesterday. I did not
: see he was defensive. So judgements are quite personal.
:
: his
: a
: questions
J*s
72 楼
Same as what I said here yesterday, we are all making illusions. lol
【在 f*******8 的大作中提到】
: 我觉得他有躲。
:
: not
: the
: up
: am
【在 f*******8 的大作中提到】
: 我觉得他有躲。
:
: not
: the
: up
: am
T*y
73 楼
Let SeeU explain himself more ba. If he answers my question, then I'll know
more.
【在 J******s 的大作中提到】
: Same as what I said here yesterday, we are all making illusions. lol
more.
【在 J******s 的大作中提到】
: Same as what I said here yesterday, we are all making illusions. lol
J*s
74 楼
haha
Now understand you want to know more. That is fine.
know
【在 T*******y 的大作中提到】
: Let SeeU explain himself more ba. If he answers my question, then I'll know
: more.
Now understand you want to know more. That is fine.
know
【在 T*******y 的大作中提到】
: Let SeeU explain himself more ba. If he answers my question, then I'll know
: more.
T*y
75 楼
I want to know more about whether my feelings were accurate about him.
You seemed to imply more leakage on the past events or something? Did you?
That's not what I cared about. If you want to say something, just say it.
Don't hint at it.
【在 J******s 的大作中提到】
: haha
: Now understand you want to know more. That is fine.
:
: know
You seemed to imply more leakage on the past events or something? Did you?
That's not what I cared about. If you want to say something, just say it.
Don't hint at it.
【在 J******s 的大作中提到】
: haha
: Now understand you want to know more. That is fine.
:
: know
J*s
76 楼
haha
you are always extending the topic.
【在 T*******y 的大作中提到】
: I want to know more about whether my feelings were accurate about him.
: You seemed to imply more leakage on the past events or something? Did you?
: That's not what I cared about. If you want to say something, just say it.
: Don't hint at it.
you are always extending the topic.
【在 T*******y 的大作中提到】
: I want to know more about whether my feelings were accurate about him.
: You seemed to imply more leakage on the past events or something? Did you?
: That's not what I cared about. If you want to say something, just say it.
: Don't hint at it.
T*y
77 楼
"Always"? lol
If you didn't mean that this time, that's good.
【在 J******s 的大作中提到】
: haha
: you are always extending the topic.
If you didn't mean that this time, that's good.
【在 J******s 的大作中提到】
: haha
: you are always extending the topic.
Y*u
78 楼
It's neither nothingness nor something invisible..
【在 T*******y 的大作中提到】
: from "The joy of living".
: It's so refreshing to know, and it makes so much more sense.
【在 T*******y 的大作中提到】
: from "The joy of living".
: It's so refreshing to know, and it makes so much more sense.
T*y
79 楼
en. I see. I didn't notice this earlier.
I know what you mean.
【在 f*******8 的大作中提到】
: 我觉得他有躲。
:
: not
: the
: up
: am
I know what you mean.
【在 f*******8 的大作中提到】
: 我觉得他有躲。
:
: not
: the
: up
: am
T*y
80 楼
That book used an analogy as the enormous space, out of which things appear
and vanish. It makes sense to me, although I am still far away from knowing
this concept of emptyness.
【在 Y**u 的大作中提到】
: It's neither nothingness nor something invisible..
and vanish. It makes sense to me, although I am still far away from knowing
this concept of emptyness.
【在 Y**u 的大作中提到】
: It's neither nothingness nor something invisible..
T*y
81 楼
Thank you for recommending the book. I am now on the part of "path", and I
am looking forward to the later part.
from both of the books.
【在 N*******n 的大作中提到】
: Glad you find similarity between The Work and this book. Wish you benefit
: from both of the books.
:
: thoughts and emotions coming and going, not as the absolute, etc, that's
: exactly what I have been doing, and what I had learned from The Work by
: Byron Katie.
: including thoughts, and that's how The Work could help people assimilate
: the turn-around thoughts as an entry-point into this physical world after
: checking the original thoughts, which were believed to be true, but not true
: , or not the only thought to be true.
am looking forward to the later part.
from both of the books.
【在 N*******n 的大作中提到】
: Glad you find similarity between The Work and this book. Wish you benefit
: from both of the books.
:
: thoughts and emotions coming and going, not as the absolute, etc, that's
: exactly what I have been doing, and what I had learned from The Work by
: Byron Katie.
: including thoughts, and that's how The Work could help people assimilate
: the turn-around thoughts as an entry-point into this physical world after
: checking the original thoughts, which were believed to be true, but not true
: , or not the only thought to be true.
r*n
82 楼
这是不可能地。
freeman有修行体会。你只是口谈而已。
【在 T*******y 的大作中提到】
: en. I see. I didn't notice this earlier.
: I know what you mean.
b*d
83 楼
我老人家问了你那么多问题，你都没回答，视而不见。你在躲什么？你很defensive呀
。
你的whole world constructed on 什么呀？ 你弄清楚你是Seeu肚子里面的蛔虫没有？
你凭什么认为你对别人的想法是正确的？ 你摆正自己的位置没有？
YOu did not answer any single question I asked. Instead, you avoided them.
是什么样的一种uncomfortable，让你不回答这些问题呢？ Think about it. Like I
told you again and again, 你很自相矛盾。不仅自相矛盾，而且非常不愿意承认自己
的错误。 错误时neutral的呀。 认个错有那么难吗？
I hope you can learn something.
best I could do, as a human being.
his shell.
a bit, and I want to know what it was that I felt about him.
waiting to see whether she'll ever change her opinions about me.
【在 T*******y 的大作中提到】
: Yes, I was asking SeeU those questions based on my judgements, that's the best I could do, as a human being.
: Yesterday I felt that SeeU was very defensive, and I was trying to break his shell.
: This morning, however, in the posts I read from SeeU, he seemed to open up a bit, and I want to know what it was that I felt about him.
: bdbd is a different story. She had assumed many things about me, and I am waiting to see whether she'll ever change her opinions about me.
。
你的whole world constructed on 什么呀？ 你弄清楚你是Seeu肚子里面的蛔虫没有？
你凭什么认为你对别人的想法是正确的？ 你摆正自己的位置没有？
YOu did not answer any single question I asked. Instead, you avoided them.
是什么样的一种uncomfortable，让你不回答这些问题呢？ Think about it. Like I
told you again and again, 你很自相矛盾。不仅自相矛盾，而且非常不愿意承认自己
的错误。 错误时neutral的呀。 认个错有那么难吗？
I hope you can learn something.
best I could do, as a human being.
his shell.
a bit, and I want to know what it was that I felt about him.
waiting to see whether she'll ever change her opinions about me.
【在 T*******y 的大作中提到】
: Yes, I was asking SeeU those questions based on my judgements, that's the best I could do, as a human being.
: Yesterday I felt that SeeU was very defensive, and I was trying to break his shell.
: This morning, however, in the posts I read from SeeU, he seemed to open up a bit, and I want to know what it was that I felt about him.
: bdbd is a different story. She had assumed many things about me, and I am waiting to see whether she'll ever change her opinions about me.
b*d
84 楼
很对。 好在我还知道我是在灌水，浪费时间。有些人好像不知道呀。
【在 J******s 的大作中提到】
: Same as what I said here yesterday, we are all making illusions. lol
【在 J******s 的大作中提到】
: Same as what I said here yesterday, we are all making illusions. lol
b*d
85 楼
你还是先explain yourself more吧。
How do you feel? When SeeU told you he was not hurt? disappointed? Why do
you avoid my questions?
know
【在 T*******y 的大作中提到】
: Let SeeU explain himself more ba. If he answers my question, then I'll know
: more.
How do you feel? When SeeU told you he was not hurt? disappointed? Why do
you avoid my questions?
know
【在 T*******y 的大作中提到】
: Let SeeU explain himself more ba. If he answers my question, then I'll know
: more.
T*y
86 楼
You said that you would not answer my post, but that same post was exactly
that you were replying my post, and many more. I enjoyed your show.
【在 b**d 的大作中提到】
: 你还是先explain yourself more吧。
: How do you feel? When SeeU told you he was not hurt? disappointed? Why do
: you avoid my questions?
:
: know
that you were replying my post, and many more. I enjoyed your show.
【在 b**d 的大作中提到】
: 你还是先explain yourself more吧。
: How do you feel? When SeeU told you he was not hurt? disappointed? Why do
: you avoid my questions?
:
: know
T*y
87 楼
I understand his words, not 空, and I said it clearly that I am not there
yet. You are misunderstanding my words.
【在 r****n 的大作中提到】
:
: 这是不可能地。
: freeman有修行体会。你只是口谈而已。
yet. You are misunderstanding my words.
【在 r****n 的大作中提到】
:
: 这是不可能地。
: freeman有修行体会。你只是口谈而已。
r*n
88 楼
你不说汉语，就别怪我误读或漏读或读不出你的情绪或给你捣乱。
【在 T*******y 的大作中提到】
: I understand his words, not 空, and I said it clearly that I am not there
: yet. You are misunderstanding my words.
b*d
89 楼
哪里，哪里，你表演得比我好多啦。。。。。。。况且我根本没有表演。如果你一定要
说是show,说明你的心态有问题。
别跑。我问你的问题呢？ 怎么？就准你研究别人的feeling,别人不能研究你呀？ 哈哈
哈。
【在 T*******y 的大作中提到】
: You said that you would not answer my post, but that same post was exactly
: that you were replying my post, and many more. I enjoyed your show.
说是show,说明你的心态有问题。
别跑。我问你的问题呢？ 怎么？就准你研究别人的feeling,别人不能研究你呀？ 哈哈
哈。
【在 T*******y 的大作中提到】
: You said that you would not answer my post, but that same post was exactly
: that you were replying my post, and many more. I enjoyed your show.
b*d
90 楼
的确说得非常差。我没功夫啦，如果我要翻译一段给你看，You will see 那整个的就
是乱七八糟。。。。
【在 r****n 的大作中提到】
:
: 你不说汉语，就别怪我误读或漏读或读不出你的情绪或给你捣乱。
是乱七八糟。。。。
【在 r****n 的大作中提到】
:
: 你不说汉语，就别怪我误读或漏读或读不出你的情绪或给你捣乱。
L*s
91 楼
前段时间，我也“听”了这本书，很喜欢。这几天在读A New Earth，醍醐灌顶得很
【在 T*******y 的大作中提到】
: from "The joy of living".
: It's so refreshing to know, and it makes so much more sense.
【在 T*******y 的大作中提到】
: from "The joy of living".
: It's so refreshing to know, and it makes so much more sense.
J*s
92 楼
Nice to see you again here jiejie, and Merry Christmas!
【在 L**********s 的大作中提到】
: 前段时间，我也“听”了这本书，很喜欢。这几天在读A New Earth，醍醐灌顶得很
【在 L**********s 的大作中提到】
: 前段时间，我也“听”了这本书，很喜欢。这几天在读A New Earth，醍醐灌顶得很
T*y
93 楼
Thanks for the comment. It's good to know that we loved the same books.
Holiday has slowed down my reading, and I hope to know more of your comments
after I finish reading this book. I enjoyed Eckhart Tolle's books, too.
【在 L**********s 的大作中提到】
: 前段时间，我也“听”了这本书，很喜欢。这几天在读A New Earth，醍醐灌顶得很
Holiday has slowed down my reading, and I hope to know more of your comments
after I finish reading this book. I enjoyed Eckhart Tolle's books, too.
【在 L**********s 的大作中提到】
: 前段时间，我也“听”了这本书，很喜欢。这几天在读A New Earth，醍醐灌顶得很
L*s
94 楼
Thanks! Merry merry everyday, my friend!
Nice to see you again here jiejie, and Merry Christmas!
【在 J******s 的大作中提到】
: Nice to see you again here jiejie, and Merry Christmas!
Nice to see you again here jiejie, and Merry Christmas!
【在 J******s 的大作中提到】
: Nice to see you again here jiejie, and Merry Christmas!
L*s
95 楼
I am afraid that I might let you down if you do have expectations for my
comments, my dear.
最近是，随性地读，随时地想，每时每刻地活着，experience。唯独就是说的益发地少
了。总觉得，话一出口，就已经不是那个意思了，不如不说。尤其是一写下来，就更不
一样了。
Thanks for the comment. It's good to know that we loved the same books.
Holiday has slowed down my reading, and I hope to know more of your comments
after I finish reading this book. I enjoyed Eckhart Tolle's books, too.
【在 T*******y 的大作中提到】
: Thanks for the comment. It's good to know that we loved the same books.
: Holiday has slowed down my reading, and I hope to know more of your comments
: after I finish reading this book. I enjoyed Eckhart Tolle's books, too.
comments, my dear.
最近是，随性地读，随时地想，每时每刻地活着，experience。唯独就是说的益发地少
了。总觉得，话一出口，就已经不是那个意思了，不如不说。尤其是一写下来，就更不
一样了。
Thanks for the comment. It's good to know that we loved the same books.
Holiday has slowed down my reading, and I hope to know more of your comments
after I finish reading this book. I enjoyed Eckhart Tolle's books, too.
【在 T*******y 的大作中提到】
: Thanks for the comment. It's good to know that we loved the same books.
: Holiday has slowed down my reading, and I hope to know more of your comments
: after I finish reading this book. I enjoyed Eckhart Tolle's books, too.
v*e
96 楼
then use a better word to discribe it,
empty means nothing,
if not nothing, give it a better name. such as : illusion.
【在 T*******y 的大作中提到】
: from "The joy of living".
: It's so refreshing to know, and it makes so much more sense.
empty means nothing,
if not nothing, give it a better name. such as : illusion.
【在 T*******y 的大作中提到】
: from "The joy of living".
: It's so refreshing to know, and it makes so much more sense.
T*y
97 楼
Hey, you must be the J that freeman08 and robbin mentioned. Thanks for your
comment.
Illusion is what I heard earlier but I couldn't understand. To put it this
way, I understand that all my perceptions are based on the biological
transmissions of the signals and my mind's making up the meanings, and there
's my own projection involved. Also, if we can go down to the molecular
level, the scenes we see and also the rule to apply, such as Quantum
Mechanics, would be different from our current level. Or if we go up to the
galaxy level, the rules are yet different.
However, the existence of the different levels do not mean that the rules at
each level are meaningless, they are all true, in my opinions.
Illusion, to me, on the other hand, sounds untrue.
Can you explain more on this? Thanks in advance!
【在 v*******e 的大作中提到】
: then use a better word to discribe it,
: empty means nothing,
: if not nothing, give it a better name. such as : illusion.
comment.
Illusion is what I heard earlier but I couldn't understand. To put it this
way, I understand that all my perceptions are based on the biological
transmissions of the signals and my mind's making up the meanings, and there
's my own projection involved. Also, if we can go down to the molecular
level, the scenes we see and also the rule to apply, such as Quantum
Mechanics, would be different from our current level. Or if we go up to the
galaxy level, the rules are yet different.
However, the existence of the different levels do not mean that the rules at
each level are meaningless, they are all true, in my opinions.
Illusion, to me, on the other hand, sounds untrue.
Can you explain more on this? Thanks in advance!
【在 v*******e 的大作中提到】
: then use a better word to discribe it,
: empty means nothing,
: if not nothing, give it a better name. such as : illusion.
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