T*s
2 楼
AAA说在20F的时候 Tesla Model 3 和 Chevrolet Bolt 里程将下降12%。
觉得没有下降多少对不对？
AAA又说，如果你打开climate control，里程将下降41%。
AAA提请电车司机注意剩余里程，不要老是死在雪地里麻烦AAA。拖车师傅也要回家过年。
AAA confirms what Tesla, BMW, Nissan electric car owners suspected — cold
weather saps EV range. Even turning on the car drains power
The AAA study appears to be the first to have used standard, repeatable
methodology to confirm the problem.
AAA tested the BMW i3s, the Chevrolet Bolt EV, the Nissan Leaf, the Tesla
Model S and the Volkswagen e-Golf.
Paul A. Eisenstein | @DetroitBureau
Published 9 Hours Ago Updated 1 Hour Ago
觉得没有下降多少对不对？
AAA又说，如果你打开climate control，里程将下降41%。
AAA提请电车司机注意剩余里程，不要老是死在雪地里麻烦AAA。拖车师傅也要回家过年。
AAA confirms what Tesla, BMW, Nissan electric car owners suspected — cold
weather saps EV range. Even turning on the car drains power
The AAA study appears to be the first to have used standard, repeatable
methodology to confirm the problem.
AAA tested the BMW i3s, the Chevrolet Bolt EV, the Nissan Leaf, the Tesla
Model S and the Volkswagen e-Golf.
Paul A. Eisenstein | @DetroitBureau
Published 9 Hours Ago Updated 1 Hour Ago
c*t
3 楼
sp500 应该是0吧
g*t
4 楼
常识也要提醒？
年。
【在 T*********s 的大作中提到】
: AAA说在20F的时候 Tesla Model 3 和 Chevrolet Bolt 里程将下降12%。
: 觉得没有下降多少对不对？
: AAA又说，如果你打开climate control，里程将下降41%。
: AAA提请电车司机注意剩余里程，不要老是死在雪地里麻烦AAA。拖车师傅也要回家过年。
: AAA confirms what Tesla, BMW, Nissan electric car owners suspected — cold
: weather saps EV range. Even turning on the car drains power
: The AAA study appears to be the first to have used standard, repeatable
: methodology to confirm the problem.
: AAA tested the BMW i3s, the Chevrolet Bolt EV, the Nissan Leaf, the Tesla
: Model S and the Volkswagen e-Golf.
年。
【在 T*********s 的大作中提到】
: AAA说在20F的时候 Tesla Model 3 和 Chevrolet Bolt 里程将下降12%。
: 觉得没有下降多少对不对？
: AAA又说，如果你打开climate control，里程将下降41%。
: AAA提请电车司机注意剩余里程，不要老是死在雪地里麻烦AAA。拖车师傅也要回家过年。
: AAA confirms what Tesla, BMW, Nissan electric car owners suspected — cold
: weather saps EV range. Even turning on the car drains power
: The AAA study appears to be the first to have used standard, repeatable
: methodology to confirm the problem.
: AAA tested the BMW i3s, the Chevrolet Bolt EV, the Nissan Leaf, the Tesla
: Model S and the Volkswagen e-Golf.
t*l
5 楼
其实如果今天清仓，这个2015年的目标我已经达到了，可是不可能啊。我一定还要再操作
搞不好，2015年底，说不定还不如10%. 贪婪是魔鬼啊
【在 W***n 的大作中提到】
: on par with SP500
搞不好，2015年底，说不定还不如10%. 贪婪是魔鬼啊
【在 W***n 的大作中提到】
: on par with SP500
T*s
6 楼
你说电车司机没常识？
【在 g******t 的大作中提到】
: 常识也要提醒？
:
: 年。
【在 g******t 的大作中提到】
: 常识也要提醒？
:
: 年。
x*9
7 楼
哈哈，一样。一月能有10%，谁会不再进来。
其实如果今天清仓，这个2015年的目标我已经达到了，可是不可能啊。我一定还要再操
作搞不好，2015年底，说不定还不如10%. 贪婪是魔鬼啊
【在 t*******l 的大作中提到】
: 其实如果今天清仓，这个2015年的目标我已经达到了，可是不可能啊。我一定还要再操作
: 搞不好，2015年底，说不定还不如10%. 贪婪是魔鬼啊
其实如果今天清仓，这个2015年的目标我已经达到了，可是不可能啊。我一定还要再操
作搞不好，2015年底，说不定还不如10%. 贪婪是魔鬼啊
【在 t*******l 的大作中提到】
: 其实如果今天清仓，这个2015年的目标我已经达到了，可是不可能啊。我一定还要再操作
: 搞不好，2015年底，说不定还不如10%. 贪婪是魔鬼啊
d*f
8 楼
12%绝对乐观了，我的经验model3还太新，笔记本电池最大的特点就是老化以后对环境
影响特别敏感，我用的hp,toshiba,dell,lenovo无一例外在3年之后，冬天开机时间比
平时下降50%以上，甚至出现室外无法开机
年。
【在 T*********s 的大作中提到】
: AAA说在20F的时候 Tesla Model 3 和 Chevrolet Bolt 里程将下降12%。
: 觉得没有下降多少对不对？
: AAA又说，如果你打开climate control，里程将下降41%。
: AAA提请电车司机注意剩余里程，不要老是死在雪地里麻烦AAA。拖车师傅也要回家过年。
: AAA confirms what Tesla, BMW, Nissan electric car owners suspected — cold
: weather saps EV range. Even turning on the car drains power
: The AAA study appears to be the first to have used standard, repeatable
: methodology to confirm the problem.
: AAA tested the BMW i3s, the Chevrolet Bolt EV, the Nissan Leaf, the Tesla
: Model S and the Volkswagen e-Golf.
影响特别敏感，我用的hp,toshiba,dell,lenovo无一例外在3年之后，冬天开机时间比
平时下降50%以上，甚至出现室外无法开机
年。
【在 T*********s 的大作中提到】
: AAA说在20F的时候 Tesla Model 3 和 Chevrolet Bolt 里程将下降12%。
: 觉得没有下降多少对不对？
: AAA又说，如果你打开climate control，里程将下降41%。
: AAA提请电车司机注意剩余里程，不要老是死在雪地里麻烦AAA。拖车师傅也要回家过年。
: AAA confirms what Tesla, BMW, Nissan electric car owners suspected — cold
: weather saps EV range. Even turning on the car drains power
: The AAA study appears to be the first to have used standard, repeatable
: methodology to confirm the problem.
: AAA tested the BMW i3s, the Chevrolet Bolt EV, the Nissan Leaf, the Tesla
: Model S and the Volkswagen e-Golf.
W*n
9 楼
操作
10% in 8 days, u r very very very good
I'm just a frog. Looking for only
10/12 = 0.83333333333333 % per month
average gain..
【在 t*******l 的大作中提到】
: 其实如果今天清仓，这个2015年的目标我已经达到了，可是不可能啊。我一定还要再操作
: 搞不好，2015年底，说不定还不如10%. 贪婪是魔鬼啊
S*g
10 楼
我喜欢有惊喜。
出去旅游，快没电了。
到处找电桩，找不到。
最后一刻，
电池着火了，
不需要找电桩了。
还可以取暖。
开心。
年。
出去旅游，快没电了。
到处找电桩，找不到。
最后一刻，
电池着火了，
不需要找电桩了。
还可以取暖。
开心。
年。
c*9
11 楼
what?
f*h
12 楼
说到底 太冷的地方不适合电车
：AAA说在20F的时候 Tesla Model 3 和 Chevrolet Bolt 里程将下降12%。
：
：AAA说在20F的时候 Tesla Model 3 和 Chevrolet Bolt 里程将下降12%。
：
c*9
13 楼
china is the best, this is china's century. us need to hold shoe for china
w*g
14 楼
特粉不是说冬季没什么变化，挪威人最爱特斯拉吗？
c*9
15 楼
胸弟在美国呆久了， 在中国10%得撞墙啊。
c*a
16 楼
if your daily trip is <200 miles, these things have zero impact on your trip
. you can do whatever you like. Despite the discounted range, it is still
cheaper than gas carsFor me, this only means I go from charging once every 4
-5 days to once every 3 days. big deal? I think not. And btw I do not charge
at the workplace, so thank you
. you can do whatever you like. Despite the discounted range, it is still
cheaper than gas carsFor me, this only means I go from charging once every 4
-5 days to once every 3 days. big deal? I think not. And btw I do not charge
at the workplace, so thank you
r*a
17 楼
哈哈
【在 c*******9 的大作中提到】
: 胸弟在美国呆久了， 在中国10%得撞墙啊。
【在 c*******9 的大作中提到】
: 胸弟在美国呆久了， 在中国10%得撞墙啊。
d*1
18 楼
If mileage is halved, it will be more expensive to run than many gas powered
cars.
: if your daily trip is
: . you can do whatever you like. Despite
the discounted range, it is still
: cheaper than gas carsFor me, this only means I go from charging once
every 4
: -5 days to once every 3 days. big deal? I think not. And btw I do not
charge
: at the workplace, so thank you
【在 c******a 的大作中提到】
: if your daily trip is <200 miles, these things have zero impact on your trip
: . you can do whatever you like. Despite the discounted range, it is still
: cheaper than gas carsFor me, this only means I go from charging once every 4
: -5 days to once every 3 days. big deal? I think not. And btw I do not charge
: at the workplace, so thank you
cars.
: if your daily trip is
: . you can do whatever you like. Despite
the discounted range, it is still
: cheaper than gas carsFor me, this only means I go from charging once
every 4
: -5 days to once every 3 days. big deal? I think not. And btw I do not
charge
: at the workplace, so thank you
【在 c******a 的大作中提到】
: if your daily trip is <200 miles, these things have zero impact on your trip
: . you can do whatever you like. Despite the discounted range, it is still
: cheaper than gas carsFor me, this only means I go from charging once every 4
: -5 days to once every 3 days. big deal? I think not. And btw I do not charge
: at the workplace, so thank you
b*6
19 楼
蹭公司的免费电，影响不大
[在 davidlee1 (davidlee) 的大作中提到：]
:If mileage is halved, it will be more expensive to run than many gas
powered cars.
:<br>: if your daily trip is <br>: . you can do whatever you
like. Despite
:the discounted range, it is still
:<br>: cheaper than gas carsFor me, this only means I go from
charging once
:every 4
:<br>: -5 days to once every 3 days. big deal? I think not. And btw
I do not charge
:<br>: at the workplace, so thank you
:<br>
[在 davidlee1 (davidlee) 的大作中提到：]
:If mileage is halved, it will be more expensive to run than many gas
powered cars.
:<br>: if your daily trip is <br>: . you can do whatever you
like. Despite
:the discounted range, it is still
:<br>: cheaper than gas carsFor me, this only means I go from
charging once
:every 4
:<br>: -5 days to once every 3 days. big deal? I think not. And btw
I do not charge
:<br>: at the workplace, so thank you
:<br>
c*a
20 楼
A full 310 charge of 75kwh is ~$8 for me.
Even if we apply a 60% discount, that means 310*0.6/8=23 mile per $1.
With 30 MPG, which is a very generous assumption for ICE cars, and $2.5 per
gallon, you are looking at 12 mile per $1. For in-town driving, how many
cars achieve 30 MPG?
So for me, it changed from 1/3 of ICE cost to 1/2 of ICE cost.
40% is the worst case scenario for very cold winter weather, gasoline price
is very low today, and a lot of cars don't get 30 MPG.
powered
not
【在 d*******1 的大作中提到】
: If mileage is halved, it will be more expensive to run than many gas powered
: cars.
:
:
: if your daily trip is
: . you can do whatever you like. Despite
: the discounted range, it is still
:
: cheaper than gas carsFor me, this only means I go from charging once
: every 4
:
: -5 days to once every 3 days. big deal? I think not. And btw I do not
: charge
:
: at the workplace, so thank you
Even if we apply a 60% discount, that means 310*0.6/8=23 mile per $1.
With 30 MPG, which is a very generous assumption for ICE cars, and $2.5 per
gallon, you are looking at 12 mile per $1. For in-town driving, how many
cars achieve 30 MPG?
So for me, it changed from 1/3 of ICE cost to 1/2 of ICE cost.
40% is the worst case scenario for very cold winter weather, gasoline price
is very low today, and a lot of cars don't get 30 MPG.
powered
not
【在 d*******1 的大作中提到】
: If mileage is halved, it will be more expensive to run than many gas powered
: cars.
:
:
: if your daily trip is
: . you can do whatever you like. Despite
: the discounted range, it is still
:
: cheaper than gas carsFor me, this only means I go from charging once
: every 4
:
: -5 days to once every 3 days. big deal? I think not. And btw I do not
: charge
:
: at the workplace, so thank you
a*t
21 楼
丰田混动轻松超过30
per
price
【在 c******a 的大作中提到】
: A full 310 charge of 75kwh is ~$8 for me.
: Even if we apply a 60% discount, that means 310*0.6/8=23 mile per $1.
: With 30 MPG, which is a very generous assumption for ICE cars, and $2.5 per
: gallon, you are looking at 12 mile per $1. For in-town driving, how many
: cars achieve 30 MPG?
: So for me, it changed from 1/3 of ICE cost to 1/2 of ICE cost.
: 40% is the worst case scenario for very cold winter weather, gasoline price
: is very low today, and a lot of cars don't get 30 MPG.
:
: powered
per
price
【在 c******a 的大作中提到】
: A full 310 charge of 75kwh is ~$8 for me.
: Even if we apply a 60% discount, that means 310*0.6/8=23 mile per $1.
: With 30 MPG, which is a very generous assumption for ICE cars, and $2.5 per
: gallon, you are looking at 12 mile per $1. For in-town driving, how many
: cars achieve 30 MPG?
: So for me, it changed from 1/3 of ICE cost to 1/2 of ICE cost.
: 40% is the worst case scenario for very cold winter weather, gasoline price
: is very low today, and a lot of cars don't get 30 MPG.
:
: powered
I*s
22 楼
Fuel economy tests show that, in short-trip city driving, a conventional
gasoline car's gas mileage is about 12% lower at 20°F than it would be at
77°F. It can drop as much as 22% for very short trips (3 to 4 miles). The
effect on hybrids is worse. Their fuel economy can drop about 31% to 34%
under these conditions.
gasoline car's gas mileage is about 12% lower at 20°F than it would be at
77°F. It can drop as much as 22% for very short trips (3 to 4 miles). The
effect on hybrids is worse. Their fuel economy can drop about 31% to 34%
under these conditions.
p*q
23 楼
My SUV (RAV4 hybrid) easily get beyond 33-36 mpg... ...even with floor gas
frequently......
per
price
【在 c******a 的大作中提到】
: A full 310 charge of 75kwh is ~$8 for me.
: Even if we apply a 60% discount, that means 310*0.6/8=23 mile per $1.
: With 30 MPG, which is a very generous assumption for ICE cars, and $2.5 per
: gallon, you are looking at 12 mile per $1. For in-town driving, how many
: cars achieve 30 MPG?
: So for me, it changed from 1/3 of ICE cost to 1/2 of ICE cost.
: 40% is the worst case scenario for very cold winter weather, gasoline price
: is very low today, and a lot of cars don't get 30 MPG.
:
: powered
frequently......
per
price
【在 c******a 的大作中提到】
: A full 310 charge of 75kwh is ~$8 for me.
: Even if we apply a 60% discount, that means 310*0.6/8=23 mile per $1.
: With 30 MPG, which is a very generous assumption for ICE cars, and $2.5 per
: gallon, you are looking at 12 mile per $1. For in-town driving, how many
: cars achieve 30 MPG?
: So for me, it changed from 1/3 of ICE cost to 1/2 of ICE cost.
: 40% is the worst case scenario for very cold winter weather, gasoline price
: is very low today, and a lot of cars don't get 30 MPG.
:
: powered
p*q
24 楼
EV should double AAA annual fee
c*a
25 楼
See, you have a hybrid, good for you! Thank you for reducing fossil fuel use
! But that's still more expensive than a full BEV like Tesla, right?
You need to be at almost 60 mph to match my winter driving price. I get to
100 MPGe in the summer. And this is to assume winter does not influence your
mpg... Which it clearly does according to the post above
: My SUV (RAV4 hybrid) easily get beyond 33-36 mpg... ...even with floor
gas
: frequently......
: per
: price
【在 p*******q 的大作中提到】
: EV should double AAA annual fee
! But that's still more expensive than a full BEV like Tesla, right?
You need to be at almost 60 mph to match my winter driving price. I get to
100 MPGe in the summer. And this is to assume winter does not influence your
mpg... Which it clearly does according to the post above
: My SUV (RAV4 hybrid) easily get beyond 33-36 mpg... ...even with floor
gas
: frequently......
: per
: price
【在 p*******q 的大作中提到】
: EV should double AAA annual fee
b*6
26 楼
Yes, civic can
[在 cloveara (不帅拿) 的大作中提到：]
:A full 310 charge of 75kwh is ~$8 for me.
:Even if we apply a 60% discount, that means 310*0.6/8=23 mile per $1.
:With 30 MPG, which is a very generous assumption for ICE cars, and $2.5 per
gallon, you are looking at 12 mile per $1. For in-town driving, how many
:cars achieve 30 MPG?
:So for me, it changed from 1/3 of ICE cost to 1/2 of ICE cost.
:powered
:not
[在 cloveara (不帅拿) 的大作中提到：]
:A full 310 charge of 75kwh is ~$8 for me.
:Even if we apply a 60% discount, that means 310*0.6/8=23 mile per $1.
:With 30 MPG, which is a very generous assumption for ICE cars, and $2.5 per
gallon, you are looking at 12 mile per $1. For in-town driving, how many
:cars achieve 30 MPG?
:So for me, it changed from 1/3 of ICE cost to 1/2 of ICE cost.
:powered
:not
d*1
27 楼
think about the opportunity cost as well.
wasted time to charge. Unable to move before being charged.
spend at least $25000 more than a similar vehicle. If you invest the money
instead, you may be surprised how much ahead you will be in 10 years.
Therefore the choice may not be as clear as you might have thought it would
be for everyone.
https://www.corporatemonkeycpa.com/2017/12/09/how-to-calculate-your-ev-cost-
per-mile/
wasted time to charge. Unable to move before being charged.
spend at least $25000 more than a similar vehicle. If you invest the money
instead, you may be surprised how much ahead you will be in 10 years.
Therefore the choice may not be as clear as you might have thought it would
be for everyone.
https://www.corporatemonkeycpa.com/2017/12/09/how-to-calculate-your-ev-cost-
per-mile/
g*1
28 楼
我觉得更应该思考的是人的life,和二十年前比，房子大一些，手里的钱多一些,周围环
境有什么大的变化? 前几天天看一个旧电影，不见不散，里面的各种场景依稀就在昨日
，一辈子就这么交代了？有新的东西，我选择去尝试，选择变化。选择tesla也是一样
，之所以对tesla有好感，是因为它带给了我与以往不同的生活感受,尤其是OTA,让我感
觉到他在长大，我可以容忍他的缺点，而不是把一个靓妻娶到家等待人老珠黄。
: think about the opportunity cost as well.
: wasted time to charge. Unable to move before being charged.
: spend at least $25000 more than a similar vehicle. If you
invest the
money
: instead, you may be surprised how much ahead you will be in 10
years.
: Therefore the choice may not be as clear as you might have
thought it
would
: be for everyone.
【在 d*******1 的大作中提到】
: think about the opportunity cost as well.
: wasted time to charge. Unable to move before being charged.
: spend at least $25000 more than a similar vehicle. If you invest the money
: instead, you may be surprised how much ahead you will be in 10 years.
: Therefore the choice may not be as clear as you might have thought it would
: be for everyone.
: https://www.corporatemonkeycpa.com/2017/12/09/how-to-calculate-your-ev-cost-
: per-mile/
境有什么大的变化? 前几天天看一个旧电影，不见不散，里面的各种场景依稀就在昨日
，一辈子就这么交代了？有新的东西，我选择去尝试，选择变化。选择tesla也是一样
，之所以对tesla有好感，是因为它带给了我与以往不同的生活感受,尤其是OTA,让我感
觉到他在长大，我可以容忍他的缺点，而不是把一个靓妻娶到家等待人老珠黄。
: think about the opportunity cost as well.
: wasted time to charge. Unable to move before being charged.
: spend at least $25000 more than a similar vehicle. If you
invest the
money
: instead, you may be surprised how much ahead you will be in 10
years.
: Therefore the choice may not be as clear as you might have
thought it
would
: be for everyone.
【在 d*******1 的大作中提到】
: think about the opportunity cost as well.
: wasted time to charge. Unable to move before being charged.
: spend at least $25000 more than a similar vehicle. If you invest the money
: instead, you may be surprised how much ahead you will be in 10 years.
: Therefore the choice may not be as clear as you might have thought it would
: be for everyone.
: https://www.corporatemonkeycpa.com/2017/12/09/how-to-calculate-your-ev-cost-
: per-mile/
I*a
29 楼
通勤的车，进家里就开进车库插上车头，从来不用去加油站，哪来的时间成本？
money
would
cost-
【在 d*******1 的大作中提到】
: think about the opportunity cost as well.
: wasted time to charge. Unable to move before being charged.
: spend at least $25000 more than a similar vehicle. If you invest the money
: instead, you may be surprised how much ahead you will be in 10 years.
: Therefore the choice may not be as clear as you might have thought it would
: be for everyone.
: https://www.corporatemonkeycpa.com/2017/12/09/how-to-calculate-your-ev-cost-
: per-mile/
money
would
cost-
【在 d*******1 的大作中提到】
: think about the opportunity cost as well.
: wasted time to charge. Unable to move before being charged.
: spend at least $25000 more than a similar vehicle. If you invest the money
: instead, you may be surprised how much ahead you will be in 10 years.
: Therefore the choice may not be as clear as you might have thought it would
: be for everyone.
: https://www.corporatemonkeycpa.com/2017/12/09/how-to-calculate-your-ev-cost-
: per-mile/
I*a
30 楼
道理大家其实都懂，包括特黑们，他们只是有任务，嘴硬罢了。
【在 g**********1 的大作中提到】
: 我觉得更应该思考的是人的life,和二十年前比，房子大一些，手里的钱多一些,周围环
: 境有什么大的变化? 前几天天看一个旧电影，不见不散，里面的各种场景依稀就在昨日
: ，一辈子就这么交代了？有新的东西，我选择去尝试，选择变化。选择tesla也是一样
: ，之所以对tesla有好感，是因为它带给了我与以往不同的生活感受,尤其是OTA,让我感
: 觉到他在长大，我可以容忍他的缺点，而不是把一个靓妻娶到家等待人老珠黄。
:
:
: think about the opportunity cost as well.
:
: wasted time to charge. Unable to move before being charged.
:
: spend at least $25000 more than a similar vehicle. If you
: invest the
【在 g**********1 的大作中提到】
: 我觉得更应该思考的是人的life,和二十年前比，房子大一些，手里的钱多一些,周围环
: 境有什么大的变化? 前几天天看一个旧电影，不见不散，里面的各种场景依稀就在昨日
: ，一辈子就这么交代了？有新的东西，我选择去尝试，选择变化。选择tesla也是一样
: ，之所以对tesla有好感，是因为它带给了我与以往不同的生活感受,尤其是OTA,让我感
: 觉到他在长大，我可以容忍他的缺点，而不是把一个靓妻娶到家等待人老珠黄。
:
:
: think about the opportunity cost as well.
:
: wasted time to charge. Unable to move before being charged.
:
: spend at least $25000 more than a similar vehicle. If you
: invest the
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