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一个postdoc因为质疑老板的数据而被迫辞职# Biology - 生物学

w*22011-06-08 07:06

1 楼

重视产品和重视用户
去讨花街的欢心算个屁。
苹果有绝对优势么？法律专利官司上已经开始收缩，也就意味着给竞争对手更加宽松的
环境，更多可能的竞争会相继而来。
手机上android 已经占领了更加优势的市场份额，internet 服务上苹果ping 已经歇菜
了，广告似乎也没什么消息了
唯一出彩的是siri和icloud，要和google 竞争需要烧钱，需要投入，google的youtube
虽然现在都是军医小广告能break even，
当年也是烧了不少银子收购和维持的。怎么这就开始觉得钱多的没地方用了，注意力放
怎么配合花街了？
苹果股价跌倒90的时候jobs 都不鸟，知道对公司最好的是专注产品，推出出创新的产
品，
jobs走了，苹果就从不鸟规矩的嬉皮士变成四处讨好的WSN了么？

G*P2011-06-08 07:06

2 楼

不过第一段英语写得真差，之前如果完全不知道此事的话，这段话可以让你云里雾里，
而且混淆当事人
http://www.nature.com/news/2011/110608/full/474140a.html
Whistle-blower claims his accusations cost him his job
University denies it retaliated against researcher who questioned supervisor
's data.
Eugenie Samuel Reich
Zebrafish embryos are at the centre of a dispute over research integrity.
Zebrafish embryos are at the centre of a dispute over research integrity.R.
KESSEL/VISUALS UNLIMITED/CORBIS
After months of friction that culminated in his openly questioning the
reproducibility of data published by his supervisor, a postdoc at the
University of Wisconsin–Madison's zoology department was presented with
three options. The department's chairman said he could wait to be fired,
resign voluntarily or accept a "gracious exit strategy" that would give him
time to prepare a paper for publication, if he dropped his "scientific
misconduct issues".
When geneticist Aaron Taylor objected that the third option sounded like a "
plea bargain" meant to discourage him from pressing his concerns about the
lab's data, the chairman, Jeffrey Hardin disagreed. But Hardin also said: "I
think you'd have to decide which is more important to you." He later added:
"You have to decide whether you want to kind of engage in whistle-blowing."
Taylor recorded the November 2009 exchange without Hardin's knowledge —
something permitted under Wisconsin law. Although Taylor declined to make a
decision in the meeting, he resigned a few days later, minutes before a
disciplinary meeting at which he would have been fired. He says he lost his
job because he voiced doubts about data published by the lab of Yevgenya
Grinblat, the faculty member who employed him. Grinblat, whose scientific
conduct has been upheld by the university and who is not under investigation
, says that Taylor lost his job because of a "disrespectful attitude".
The story illustrates a problem that can arise when a junior researcher
comes into conflict with a senior colleague over research integrity. Whistle
-blowers are supposed to be protected from retaliation, even if they are
wrong, as long as they are acting in good faith. Yet, when personality
clashes enter the mix — a likely scenario when accusations begin to fly —
the outcome can be much less clear cut.
In Taylor's case, Hardin strongly denies any retaliation, and says that a
move was made to terminate Taylor's contract for "serious personnel issues".
E-mails provided by Grinblat show that she had mentioned and sought advice
about what she said was Taylor's negative attitude to colleagues inside and
outside the university before he questioned her data. Even so, an e-mail
from Hardin to Eric Wilcots, an associate dean for mathematical and natural
sciences at the university, seems to imply that Taylor's accusations played
a part in his departure. The e-mail said that Taylor had engaged in "
seemingly inappropriate correspondence" — referring to a caustic e-mail to
Grinblat in which Taylor alleged that she acted improperly as a researcher
and a lab supervisor.
C. K. Gunsalus, a lawyer and expert on research misconduct at the University
of Illinois in Urbana–Champaign, who read documents provided by the
university at Nature 's request, says: "On the face of it, the university's
actions at least raise a question as to whether there was retaliation for
speaking out."
“You have to decide whether you want to kind of engage in whistle-
blowing.”
Reprisal against whistle-blowers is banned by the US federal policy on
research misconduct, which guides how allegations should be handled by
institutions that receive grant money from the government, which Grinblat's
lab does. The University of Wisconsin also has a policy that explicitly
protects whistleblowers from retaliation. Taylor says that his experience
therefore holds a lesson for those who wish to question a supervisor's work:
being explicit about suspicions and citing relevant statutes when making
allegations might help to prevent reprisals.
Taylor was studying zebrafish development in Grinblat's lab when he became
concerned about work the lab was submitting for publication. In one paper (
Development 136, 3791–3800; 2009), on which he was listed as a co-author,
Taylor felt that images of zebrafish embryos that were being used to
illustrate changes in the expression of particular proteins had been chosen
without quantitative support. E-mail records show that he queried the data
with Grinblat, but they were nevertheless submitted for publication.
Grinblat responds that the use of the images followed standard methods and
is based on repeatable experiments. She adds that the quantification method
Taylor may have wanted to use was not sensitive enough to detect the changes
in gene expression they were observing.
Taylor says that he now cannot prove that the images amounted to
falsification because he does not have access to the raw data. He requested
access under Wisconsin's public-records laws, but the university declined to
release them, in part because it determined that releasing a faculty member
's data would violate academic freedom.
Some months after they disagreed on the images, matters came to a head when
Grinblat asked Taylor to provide a detailed protocol for a lab technique.
Taylor accused her of repeatedly pressuring him to publish data that he
considered unreliable, and threatened to bring a case against her to the
dean. Soon after, he wrote to Hardin saying that he had doubts about the
reproducibility and reliability of work published by the lab.
When asked about Taylor's charges of being pressured, Grinblat says she gave
him a deadline because she felt that was the only way to get him to publish
his good data. Grinblat comments that, in general, Taylor was
extraordinarily reluctant to publish his work.
Difference of opinions
Taylor's former PhD supervisor, neuroscientist Justin Fallon at Brown
University in Providence, Rhode Island, says that Taylor is a smart and
original thinker who worked independently in his lab and published his work
expeditiously. "He worked in a professional and efficient manner," Fallon
says, adding that he doesn't agree with the suggestion that Taylor is
difficult in the lab.
A letter to Taylor provided by the university says that Wilcots reviewed the
evidence that Taylor submitted and talked with him and others before
deciding that his complaints did not meet the university's criteria for
research misconduct. "What he was presenting was a difference of opinion
with his co-author on the significance of results," Wilcots says. However,
Wilcots says that he did not look at the raw data from the zebrafish
experiments before making that decision. Nor did the university hold an
investigation into the matter.
Gunsalus says that her interpretation of the documentation is that Taylor's
concerns included allegations of misconduct, and would warrant an inquiry.
Because the university asserted that he was not fired, Taylor was not
entitled to unemployment benefits in Wisconsin. He therefore filed a
complaint with the state's Department of Workforce Development, which ruled
that, counter to the university's statements, his departure was not
voluntary. In 2010, he also filed a complaint of whistle-blower retaliation
with the department, but dropped the case after he took a job at an
institution in another state.
Taylor subsequently forwarded his charges and concerns to the Office of
Research Integrity (ORI), which oversees allegations of misconduct in
research funded by the National Institutes of Health. The ORI told Taylor in
2010 that it was looking into whether the university had investigated
adequately, but would not pursue the allegation of retaliation because
Taylor had filed a case at the Department of Workforce Development, even
though the case was not longer active.
Wisconsin's associate dean for research policy, William Mellon, says that he
did receive a phone call from the ORI about the case, but no further
inquiry has been made.
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The timing of Taylor's termination and the clash of personalities suggest
that extra care was needed to avoid an ambiguous outcome. But Mellon
expresses surprise at the suggestion that the university did not act
appropriately. He says that the university does take a firm stance on
misconduct when it is warranted. "But when it doesn't meet the standard,
there are no actions for us to take," he says. Taylor says he has been able
to put the situation behind him and is happy at his new institution, which
Nature agreed not to name, but he remains disillusioned with the way his
situation was handled by his former employer.
"It is critical for the integrity of science that universities are not
allowed to retaliate against whistle-blowers," he says.
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#23702
Well i think this is not an isolated episode. This may be the case in
many places. The only thing is it does not get reported as the students are
anxious about their research carriers and they know their exsistence in
their respective fields can be strongly influenced by their peers!!!!!. This
is a great show of courage !!!!!!! i appreciate a lot.
Report this comment
2011-06-08 12:56:47 PM
Posted by: Rajdeep Roy
#23704
It sounds like a begining rather than an ending of a big problem. Stay
tuned and see what will happen next.
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2011-06-08 01:51:29 PM
Posted by: Dick Baltimore

k*02011-06-08 07:06

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等着看今年的iphone5吧。现在ipad3的显像度给我的感觉就是out done itself.

youtube

【在 w********2 的大作中提到】

: 重视产品和重视用户
: 去讨花街的欢心算个屁。
: 苹果有绝对优势么？法律专利官司上已经开始收缩，也就意味着给竞争对手更加宽松的
: 环境，更多可能的竞争会相继而来。
: 手机上android 已经占领了更加优势的市场份额，internet 服务上苹果ping 已经歇菜
: 了，广告似乎也没什么消息了
: 唯一出彩的是siri和icloud，要和google 竞争需要烧钱，需要投入，google的youtube
: 虽然现在都是军医小广告能break even，
: 当年也是烧了不少银子收购和维持的。怎么这就开始觉得钱多的没地方用了，注意力放
: 怎么配合花街了？

a*y2011-06-08 07:06

4 楼

我也觉得蛮失望的。
有钱不如多花点把网络服务做好点。

youtube

【在 w********2 的大作中提到】

: 重视产品和重视用户
: 去讨花街的欢心算个屁。
: 苹果有绝对优势么？法律专利官司上已经开始收缩，也就意味着给竞争对手更加宽松的
: 环境，更多可能的竞争会相继而来。
: 手机上android 已经占领了更加优势的市场份额，internet 服务上苹果ping 已经歇菜
: 了，广告似乎也没什么消息了
: 唯一出彩的是siri和icloud，要和google 竞争需要烧钱，需要投入，google的youtube
: 虽然现在都是军医小广告能break even，
: 当年也是烧了不少银子收购和维持的。怎么这就开始觉得钱多的没地方用了，注意力放
: 怎么配合花街了？

c*o2011-06-08 07:06

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I think this time Cook might have been pressed really hard by Obama to
release their cash hoard and help pump up the economy. Already people are
lining up other companies with cash piles, such as Google, Dell, etc., to
come out and follow suit. The pressure is on. Obama will spare no efforts to
make the numbers look good this election year.

a*g2011-06-08 07:06

6 楼

这个同意
砸它一笔钱出来，起码能把那些dropbox在线存储之流干翻
apple到现在连泥马个在线相册都么有，成何体统
还不如当年的MobileMe

youtube

【在 w********2 的大作中提到】

: 重视产品和重视用户
: 去讨花街的欢心算个屁。
: 苹果有绝对优势么？法律专利官司上已经开始收缩，也就意味着给竞争对手更加宽松的
: 环境，更多可能的竞争会相继而来。
: 手机上android 已经占领了更加优势的市场份额，internet 服务上苹果ping 已经歇菜
: 了，广告似乎也没什么消息了
: 唯一出彩的是siri和icloud，要和google 竞争需要烧钱，需要投入，google的youtube
: 虽然现在都是军医小广告能break even，
: 当年也是烧了不少银子收购和维持的。怎么这就开始觉得钱多的没地方用了，注意力放
: 怎么配合花街了？

s*s2011-06-08 07:06

7 楼

其实这个很脑残。因为苹果的现金其实也放在银行或者其他security里面，
分红了，其实银行可以贷的款就少了，或者要别人接手那些security了。另外，
苹果股票大多数不是散户手里，不过是给那些funding分红而已，左手倒右手

to

【在 c****o 的大作中提到】

: I think this time Cook might have been pressed really hard by Obama to
: release their cash hoard and help pump up the economy. Already people are
: lining up other companies with cash piles, such as Google, Dell, etc., to
: come out and follow suit. The pressure is on. Obama will spare no efforts to
: make the numbers look good this election year.

a*g2011-06-08 07:06

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苹果的在线服务方面群众基础这么好，就不下功夫弄
那么多流量就送给Facebook，tweet, youtube
google都知道弄个google＋烧
iphone拍了照片，拍了视频，顺便上传到个在线空间共享，多方便。一人送5G仿照片也
行，那个photo stream哪怕可以设置个album共享也行啊
现成的apple id，现成的iMessage，现成的用户群，搞个ping，还黄了

a*y2011-06-08 07:06

9 楼

Ping黄了是因为定位不对
Facebook， Twitter等就可以共享音乐social，为什么一定要去ping？而且Ping没有浏
览器界面，必须在iTunes里搞。
iMessage还是很有潜力的，苹果应该下点功夫

【在 a*********g 的大作中提到】

: 苹果的在线服务方面群众基础这么好，就不下功夫弄
: 那么多流量就送给Facebook，tweet, youtube
: google都知道弄个google＋烧
: iphone拍了照片，拍了视频，顺便上传到个在线空间共享，多方便。一人送5G仿照片也
: 行，那个photo stream哪怕可以设置个album共享也行啊
: 现成的apple id，现成的iMessage，现成的用户群，搞个ping，还黄了

i*o2011-06-08 07:06

10 楼

这个太同意了，泥马这么多钱不花在用户身上，个icloud才5G，给个20g不就完了？

【在 a*********g 的大作中提到】

: 苹果的在线服务方面群众基础这么好，就不下功夫弄
: 那么多流量就送给Facebook，tweet, youtube
: google都知道弄个google＋烧
: iphone拍了照片，拍了视频，顺便上传到个在线空间共享，多方便。一人送5G仿照片也
: 行，那个photo stream哪怕可以设置个album共享也行啊
: 现成的apple id，现成的iMessage，现成的用户群，搞个ping，还黄了

a*y2011-06-08 07:06

11 楼

同意，iCloud存储空间太小气

【在 i*****o 的大作中提到】

: 这个太同意了，泥马这么多钱不花在用户身上，个icloud才5G，给个20g不就完了？

D*a2011-06-08 07:06

12 楼

you got it
jobs is a hippie and cook is a nice guy.

youtube

【在 w********2 的大作中提到】

: 重视产品和重视用户
: 去讨花街的欢心算个屁。
: 苹果有绝对优势么？法律专利官司上已经开始收缩，也就意味着给竞争对手更加宽松的
: 环境，更多可能的竞争会相继而来。
: 手机上android 已经占领了更加优势的市场份额，internet 服务上苹果ping 已经歇菜
: 了，广告似乎也没什么消息了
: 唯一出彩的是siri和icloud，要和google 竞争需要烧钱，需要投入，google的youtube
: 虽然现在都是军医小广告能break even，
: 当年也是烧了不少银子收购和维持的。怎么这就开始觉得钱多的没地方用了，注意力放
: 怎么配合花街了？

g*x2011-06-08 07:06

13 楼

应该把ARM买下来
直接给别的手机厂商做绝育手术

youtube

【在 w********2 的大作中提到】

: 重视产品和重视用户
: 去讨花街的欢心算个屁。
: 苹果有绝对优势么？法律专利官司上已经开始收缩，也就意味着给竞争对手更加宽松的
: 环境，更多可能的竞争会相继而来。
: 手机上android 已经占领了更加优势的市场份额，internet 服务上苹果ping 已经歇菜
: 了，广告似乎也没什么消息了
: 唯一出彩的是siri和icloud，要和google 竞争需要烧钱，需要投入，google的youtube
: 虽然现在都是军医小广告能break even，
: 当年也是烧了不少银子收购和维持的。怎么这就开始觉得钱多的没地方用了，注意力放
: 怎么配合花街了？

j*h2011-06-08 07:06

14 楼

Look back what Apple has done in the last 10 years, you can see their
pattern:
secretly developing a product for several years, release a highly polished
version that creates a new market, then improve it consistently.
That's probably what their TV product will be. The difference is TV set is
not a new market. But they could introduce new business models and still
expand the demand dramatically. And they were really good at business
models.
The problem with your post is that their secret project is by definition not
known to people. iCloud is doing fine, and it's very important
strategically.
As for android's rise in market share, it's an inevitable consequence of
carrier's power in the ecosystem. Apple probably benefits more from the
system - just look at their margins from iPhone. The same thing cannot be
said to tablet market, because (a) tablets are primarily used in places
where wifi is available such as home or office. (b) people don't have a
habit of buying it from carriers like the phone.

youtube

【在 w********2 的大作中提到】

: 重视产品和重视用户
: 去讨花街的欢心算个屁。
: 苹果有绝对优势么？法律专利官司上已经开始收缩，也就意味着给竞争对手更加宽松的
: 环境，更多可能的竞争会相继而来。
: 手机上android 已经占领了更加优势的市场份额，internet 服务上苹果ping 已经歇菜
: 了，广告似乎也没什么消息了
: 唯一出彩的是siri和icloud，要和google 竞争需要烧钱，需要投入，google的youtube
: 虽然现在都是军医小广告能break even，
: 当年也是烧了不少银子收购和维持的。怎么这就开始觉得钱多的没地方用了，注意力放
: 怎么配合花街了？

j*h2011-06-08 07:06

15 楼

And here is code horror's take on iPad (he used to be PC guy):
http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/2012/03/welcome-to-the-post-pc
"iPad 3 reviews that complain "all they did was improve the display" are
clueless bordering on stupidity. Tablets are pretty much by definition all
display; nothing is more fundamental to the tablet experience than the
quality of the display. "

w*g2011-06-08 07:06

16 楼

泥马, COOK就是隐藏在果果中央里的温家宝!

【在 D*******a 的大作中提到】

: you got it
: jobs is a hippie and cook is a nice guy.
:
: youtube

s*a2011-06-08 07:06

17 楼

～～～～～～～～
不知道他们有没有重视这个，现在看来做得还不如微信。

【在 a***y 的大作中提到】

: Ping黄了是因为定位不对
: Facebook， Twitter等就可以共享音乐social，为什么一定要去ping？而且Ping没有浏
: 览器界面，必须在iTunes里搞。
: iMessage还是很有潜力的，苹果应该下点功夫

a*y2011-06-08 07:06

18 楼

iMessage is supposed to be simple, not filled with features.

★ 发自iPhone App: ChineseWeb - 中文网站浏览器

【在 s******a 的大作中提到】

:
: ～～～～～～～～
: 不知道他们有没有重视这个，现在看来做得还不如微信。

r*t2011-06-08 07:06

19 楼

昨天看了一个英文论坛的帖子，我深有感触。
ios从3.xx以来这几年，基本上没什么动静了。
期待软件上有大突破！

l*t2011-06-08 07:06

20 楼

怎么都这么糊涂啊？？
按Apple的计划，2013-2016财年三年分红+回购一共花掉$45b，这还不到2013财年的
free cash flow。也就是说，到2016财年末，苹果的现金会从2012财年末的水平起码
double，也就是起码达到两千亿美元，甚至三千亿美元。
这个回馈股东计划，只不过是稍稍减慢苹果的cash accumulation。我看还是太保守了
。由此还可以看出，苹果可能在考虑超大规模的收购，比如买Facebook。否则什么样的
投资需要千亿美元一级的cash？
Jobs在世的时候不分红，那是因为cash还不够夸张。到现在这个level，尤其是利率这
么低，再不分红除非是management疯掉了。

g*x2011-06-08 07:06

21 楼

苹果要是花1k亿买fb这种公司，那才是真的脑袋进水

【在 l**t 的大作中提到】

: 怎么都这么糊涂啊？？
: 按Apple的计划，2013-2016财年三年分红+回购一共花掉$45b，这还不到2013财年的
: free cash flow。也就是说，到2016财年末，苹果的现金会从2012财年末的水平起码
: double，也就是起码达到两千亿美元，甚至三千亿美元。
: 这个回馈股东计划，只不过是稍稍减慢苹果的cash accumulation。我看还是太保守了
: 。由此还可以看出，苹果可能在考虑超大规模的收购，比如买Facebook。否则什么样的
: 投资需要千亿美元一级的cash？
: Jobs在世的时候不分红，那是因为cash还不够夸张。到现在这个level，尤其是利率这
: 么低，再不分红除非是management疯掉了。

a*g2011-06-08 07:06

22 楼

苹果用心的话，找点人，弄个和Facebook，google＋差不多的服务
就凭苹果的群众基础，也能搞得风生水起
关键苹果不弄啊，网络服务这方面太短腿了
那个iCloud实在是不算啥

【在 g*******x 的大作中提到】

: 苹果要是花1k亿买fb这种公司，那才是真的脑袋进水

q*52011-06-08 07:06

23 楼

教主走后再无苹果

h*x2011-06-08 07:06

24 楼

教主应该是给了大厨三个锦囊，下面5年应该产品还是能保证的，再往下锦囊没用了，
估计就得打会原型了。

【在 q******5 的大作中提到】

: 教主走后再无苹果

a*y2011-06-08 07:06

25 楼

专注啊
功能简单明了的网络服务，难做啊
以前Facebook多简洁，现在搞得多复杂！

【在 a*********g 的大作中提到】

: 苹果用心的话，找点人，弄个和Facebook，google＋差不多的服务
: 就凭苹果的群众基础，也能搞得风生水起
: 关键苹果不弄啊，网络服务这方面太短腿了
: 那个iCloud实在是不算啥

r*y2011-06-08 07:06

26 楼

基本从iphone开始，苹果赚钱的地方不在于把别人能做的事做得更好，而在于做别人没
做过的事。

【在 a*********g 的大作中提到】

: 这个同意
: 砸它一笔钱出来，起码能把那些dropbox在线存储之流干翻
: apple到现在连泥马个在线相册都么有，成何体统
: 还不如当年的MobileMe
:
: youtube

r*y2011-06-08 07:06

27 楼

你见尤怜了？

【在 w*****g 的大作中提到】

: 泥马, COOK就是隐藏在果果中央里的温家宝!

b*z2011-06-08 07:06

28 楼

分红，回购，公司的高层得利，不死一死，就分财产了，败家的迹象

a*x2011-06-08 07:06

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这个我不同意。我觉得正好相反。iphone之前也有smartphone,可iphone出来后
redefined smartphone, tablet, mp3也早就有了。

【在 r****y 的大作中提到】

: 基本从iphone开始，苹果赚钱的地方不在于把别人能做的事做得更好，而在于做别人没
: 做过的事。

c*n2011-06-08 07:06

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那件是别人没有做过的事？

【在 r****y 的大作中提到】

: 基本从iphone开始，苹果赚钱的地方不在于把别人能做的事做得更好，而在于做别人没
: 做过的事。