各位在Search Committee做过的faculty们 (转载)# Biology - 生物学
s*1
1 楼
最好不用direct deposit的，因为没啥包子，所以$150 no dd的paypal $3, $200 no
dd的paypal $8, or your best offer. 发我coupon前最好跟我说下开户需要满足的条
件。
dd的paypal $8, or your best offer. 发我coupon前最好跟我说下开户需要满足的条
件。
z*i
2 楼
发现如果我用其他的银行转帐,他们要收我的钱,不多,3元.
所以考虑开个BOA的ACCOUNT,不知现在开他们的帐户有BONUS吗?
还有更好的办法吗?
所以考虑开个BOA的ACCOUNT,不知现在开他们的帐户有BONUS吗?
还有更好的办法吗?
p*c
3 楼
【 以下文字转载自 Faculty 讨论区 】
发信人: pacific (hh), 信区: Faculty
标 题: 各位在Search Committee做过的faculty们
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Wed Nov 28 21:54:59 2012, 美东)
你们在评估申请时，最看重什么？
1. publications: CNS
2. funding history: K99, LSF...
3. amazing ideas in proposal: wow~
4. PhD/postdoc labs: HHMI...
5. reference letters
6. ...
我知道各方面都强的当然毫无疑义，但是如果只有1～2方面强，你们最看重哪个/些，
以决定进入shortlist？可不可以rank以上这些选项？
谢谢
发信人: pacific (hh), 信区: Faculty
标 题: 各位在Search Committee做过的faculty们
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Wed Nov 28 21:54:59 2012, 美东)
你们在评估申请时，最看重什么？
1. publications: CNS
2. funding history: K99, LSF...
3. amazing ideas in proposal: wow~
4. PhD/postdoc labs: HHMI...
5. reference letters
6. ...
我知道各方面都强的当然毫无疑义，但是如果只有1～2方面强，你们最看重哪个/些，
以决定进入shortlist？可不可以rank以上这些选项？
谢谢
l*e
4 楼
我用Wachovia付BOA mortgage, 没有手续费呀。
【在 z**********i 的大作中提到】
: 发现如果我用其他的银行转帐,他们要收我的钱,不多,3元.
: 所以考虑开个BOA的ACCOUNT,不知现在开他们的帐户有BONUS吗?
: 还有更好的办法吗?
【在 z**********i 的大作中提到】
: 发现如果我用其他的银行转帐,他们要收我的钱,不多,3元.
: 所以考虑开个BOA的ACCOUNT,不知现在开他们的帐户有BONUS吗?
: 还有更好的办法吗?
d*m
5 楼
有了4，还愁其它的？
z*i
6 楼
我用US BANK,除了交MORTGAGE,又交了5000到pricipal,是不是跟这个有关系?
【在 l********e 的大作中提到】
: 我用Wachovia付BOA mortgage, 没有手续费呀。
【在 l********e 的大作中提到】
: 我用Wachovia付BOA mortgage, 没有手续费呀。
A*y
7 楼
#2!!! Not all people from HHMI or NAS labs have K99. Two years ago we
interviewed five candidates, all have CNS but only the ones with K99 is
asked back for 2nd interview. Our newest hire has no CNS but a K99. He
also has an offer from Columbia Univ., our offer is better because we have a
open spot on a additional P grant for him and more.
interviewed five candidates, all have CNS but only the ones with K99 is
asked back for 2nd interview. Our newest hire has no CNS but a K99. He
also has an offer from Columbia Univ., our offer is better because we have a
open spot on a additional P grant for him and more.
w*g
8 楼
why do you pay principal?
【在 z**********i 的大作中提到】
: 我用US BANK,除了交MORTGAGE,又交了5000到pricipal,是不是跟这个有关系?
【在 z**********i 的大作中提到】
: 我用US BANK,除了交MORTGAGE,又交了5000到pricipal,是不是跟这个有关系?
p*g
9 楼
可能要看学校。反正像我们这种一般的学校，funding最重要。
z*i
10 楼
手里还有点闲钱,与其放在那里,不如放到principal.
【在 w*******g 的大作中提到】
: why do you pay principal?
【在 w*******g 的大作中提到】
: why do you pay principal?
s*c
11 楼
这种问题根本没有意义，所有这些都是plus，但是不同学校，不同search committee的
标准差别很大，你所能做的就是扬长避短，尽量表现自己的长处，除非你只申一个学校
的一个系，然后他们的committee的意见还有参考价值。
很不能理解为啥总有人问这种根本不会有明确答案的问题，难道是为了bso自己从1到5
都有？
【在 p*****c 的大作中提到】
: 【 以下文字转载自 Faculty 讨论区 】
: 发信人: pacific (hh), 信区: Faculty
: 标 题: 各位在Search Committee做过的faculty们
: 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Wed Nov 28 21:54:59 2012, 美东)
: 你们在评估申请时，最看重什么？
: 1. publications: CNS
: 2. funding history: K99, LSF...
: 3. amazing ideas in proposal: wow~
: 4. PhD/postdoc labs: HHMI...
: 5. reference letters
标准差别很大，你所能做的就是扬长避短，尽量表现自己的长处，除非你只申一个学校
的一个系，然后他们的committee的意见还有参考价值。
很不能理解为啥总有人问这种根本不会有明确答案的问题，难道是为了bso自己从1到5
都有？
【在 p*****c 的大作中提到】
: 【 以下文字转载自 Faculty 讨论区 】
: 发信人: pacific (hh), 信区: Faculty
: 标 题: 各位在Search Committee做过的faculty们
: 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Wed Nov 28 21:54:59 2012, 美东)
: 你们在评估申请时，最看重什么？
: 1. publications: CNS
: 2. funding history: K99, LSF...
: 3. amazing ideas in proposal: wow~
: 4. PhD/postdoc labs: HHMI...
: 5. reference letters
w*g
12 楼
ft. What good does it do by paying the bank? You still pay the same amount
of
interests. You could have put it in a savings account and wait until you are
ready to pay off the loan. This way, you get some interests at least.
【在 z**********i 的大作中提到】
: 手里还有点闲钱,与其放在那里,不如放到principal.
of
interests. You could have put it in a savings account and wait until you are
ready to pay off the loan. This way, you get some interests at least.
【在 z**********i 的大作中提到】
: 手里还有点闲钱,与其放在那里,不如放到principal.
j*d
13 楼
hehe. good spot for him/her.
is your campus in midwest?
Columbia offer is terrific too.
a
【在 A******y 的大作中提到】
: #2!!! Not all people from HHMI or NAS labs have K99. Two years ago we
: interviewed five candidates, all have CNS but only the ones with K99 is
: asked back for 2nd interview. Our newest hire has no CNS but a K99. He
: also has an offer from Columbia Univ., our offer is better because we have a
: open spot on a additional P grant for him and more.
is your campus in midwest?
Columbia offer is terrific too.
a
【在 A******y 的大作中提到】
: #2!!! Not all people from HHMI or NAS labs have K99. Two years ago we
: interviewed five candidates, all have CNS but only the ones with K99 is
: asked back for 2nd interview. Our newest hire has no CNS but a K99. He
: also has an offer from Columbia Univ., our offer is better because we have a
: open spot on a additional P grant for him and more.
p*r
14 楼
That's your misunderstanding. Of course the interest is reduced when you
reduce the principle. However, the after tax benefit mortgage rate is really
low right now. One may easily find higher returns elsewhere.
are
【在 w*******g 的大作中提到】
: ft. What good does it do by paying the bank? You still pay the same amount
: of
: interests. You could have put it in a savings account and wait until you are
: ready to pay off the loan. This way, you get some interests at least.
reduce the principle. However, the after tax benefit mortgage rate is really
low right now. One may easily find higher returns elsewhere.
are
【在 w*******g 的大作中提到】
: ft. What good does it do by paying the bank? You still pay the same amount
: of
: interests. You could have put it in a savings account and wait until you are
: ready to pay off the loan. This way, you get some interests at least.
t*l
15 楼
我们学校的新AP的特点是。
每个人在博后或者博士期间，至少有一篇CNS，有的人强悍的，2篇-3篇都有可能。不过
感觉博后期间的PAPER的IF更高一点。
funding,近2-3年内的一些AP，并没有NIH的grant,可能学校内部的grant。
idea:这个就不清楚了。
lab history: 有诺奖LAB出来的，HHMI/NAS出来的也有，harvard,mit,ucsf,名校博后
出来的也有。一个特点就是，有些AP PHD出身就是UC IRVINE水平，但博后也是在
harvard做的。总之感觉的博后出身LAB都挺有名的。
ref letter:不清楚了。
统计一下，发现和哈佛和哈佛医学院的有关的AP特别多。
每个人在博后或者博士期间，至少有一篇CNS，有的人强悍的，2篇-3篇都有可能。不过
感觉博后期间的PAPER的IF更高一点。
funding,近2-3年内的一些AP，并没有NIH的grant,可能学校内部的grant。
idea:这个就不清楚了。
lab history: 有诺奖LAB出来的，HHMI/NAS出来的也有，harvard,mit,ucsf,名校博后
出来的也有。一个特点就是，有些AP PHD出身就是UC IRVINE水平，但博后也是在
harvard做的。总之感觉的博后出身LAB都挺有名的。
ref letter:不清楚了。
统计一下，发现和哈佛和哈佛医学院的有关的AP特别多。
p*r
16 楼
有钱人.
【在 z**********i 的大作中提到】
: 我用US BANK,除了交MORTGAGE,又交了5000到pricipal,是不是跟这个有关系?
【在 z**********i 的大作中提到】
: 我用US BANK,除了交MORTGAGE,又交了5000到pricipal,是不是跟这个有关系?
H*e
17 楼
1. publications: CNS
Help your application being carefully read.
2. funding history: K99, LSF...
A big plus for getting offer. An active one!
3. amazing ideas in proposal: wow~
A fundable story is a key for getting offer.
4. PhD/postdoc labs: HHMI...
Help you get interview.
5. reference letters
I only read who wrote but not detail if above 4 are positive. If not, I do
not have time to read it (Sorry, because there are about ~100 applications
and 300-400 letters!).
6. ...
During phone and interview, the personal skills!
Help your application being carefully read.
2. funding history: K99, LSF...
A big plus for getting offer. An active one!
3. amazing ideas in proposal: wow~
A fundable story is a key for getting offer.
4. PhD/postdoc labs: HHMI...
Help you get interview.
5. reference letters
I only read who wrote but not detail if above 4 are positive. If not, I do
not have time to read it (Sorry, because there are about ~100 applications
and 300-400 letters!).
6. ...
During phone and interview, the personal skills!
w*g
18 楼
that is not my misunderstanding.
Do you get to less interests each month if you pay off some principal now?
Of course not. You are paying the same amount of mortgage each month still.
So what is the point of paying the principal now instead of when you are
ready
to pay off the whole thing in the end.
really
【在 p********r 的大作中提到】
: That's your misunderstanding. Of course the interest is reduced when you
: reduce the principle. However, the after tax benefit mortgage rate is really
: low right now. One may easily find higher returns elsewhere.
:
: are
Do you get to less interests each month if you pay off some principal now?
Of course not. You are paying the same amount of mortgage each month still.
So what is the point of paying the principal now instead of when you are
ready
to pay off the whole thing in the end.
really
【在 p********r 的大作中提到】
: That's your misunderstanding. Of course the interest is reduced when you
: reduce the principle. However, the after tax benefit mortgage rate is really
: low right now. One may easily find higher returns elsewhere.
:
: are
H*e
19 楼
Missed an important one:
We often got calls from their PIs. It often secures an interview
opportunity if we know each other well. BUT, it does not change the
decision on final offer!
We often got calls from their PIs. It often secures an interview
opportunity if we know each other well. BUT, it does not change the
decision on final offer!
l*o
20 楼
提前把本金还掉的话，利息应该是不一样的吧？
are
【在 w*******g 的大作中提到】
: ft. What good does it do by paying the bank? You still pay the same amount
: of
: interests. You could have put it in a savings account and wait until you are
: ready to pay off the loan. This way, you get some interests at least.
are
【在 w*******g 的大作中提到】
: ft. What good does it do by paying the bank? You still pay the same amount
: of
: interests. You could have put it in a savings account and wait until you are
: ready to pay off the loan. This way, you get some interests at least.
l*g
21 楼
...
The reference letters are among the most important factors. Or not the
letters, but the names...
do
【在 H*****e 的大作中提到】
: 1. publications: CNS
: Help your application being carefully read.
: 2. funding history: K99, LSF...
: A big plus for getting offer. An active one!
: 3. amazing ideas in proposal: wow~
: A fundable story is a key for getting offer.
: 4. PhD/postdoc labs: HHMI...
: Help you get interview.
: 5. reference letters
: I only read who wrote but not detail if above 4 are positive. If not, I do
The reference letters are among the most important factors. Or not the
letters, but the names...
do
【在 H*****e 的大作中提到】
: 1. publications: CNS
: Help your application being carefully read.
: 2. funding history: K99, LSF...
: A big plus for getting offer. An active one!
: 3. amazing ideas in proposal: wow~
: A fundable story is a key for getting offer.
: 4. PhD/postdoc labs: HHMI...
: Help you get interview.
: 5. reference letters
: I only read who wrote but not detail if above 4 are positive. If not, I do
p*r
22 楼
Your mortgage payment won't be reduced. But your interest portion will be
reduced when you have less principle. Unless your saving account has better
yields than the mortgage rate, it does not make sense to put money into
saving accounts (unless for a small amount of emergency funds for instant
liquidity).
【在 w*******g 的大作中提到】
: that is not my misunderstanding.
: Do you get to less interests each month if you pay off some principal now?
: Of course not. You are paying the same amount of mortgage each month still.
: So what is the point of paying the principal now instead of when you are
: ready
: to pay off the whole thing in the end.
:
: really
reduced when you have less principle. Unless your saving account has better
yields than the mortgage rate, it does not make sense to put money into
saving accounts (unless for a small amount of emergency funds for instant
liquidity).
【在 w*******g 的大作中提到】
: that is not my misunderstanding.
: Do you get to less interests each month if you pay off some principal now?
: Of course not. You are paying the same amount of mortgage each month still.
: So what is the point of paying the principal now instead of when you are
: ready
: to pay off the whole thing in the end.
:
: really
n*g
23 楼
Match is super imporatant
【在 p*****c 的大作中提到】
: 【 以下文字转载自 Faculty 讨论区 】
: 发信人: pacific (hh), 信区: Faculty
: 标 题: 各位在Search Committee做过的faculty们
: 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Wed Nov 28 21:54:59 2012, 美东)
: 你们在评估申请时，最看重什么？
: 1. publications: CNS
: 2. funding history: K99, LSF...
: 3. amazing ideas in proposal: wow~
: 4. PhD/postdoc labs: HHMI...
: 5. reference letters
【在 p*****c 的大作中提到】
: 【 以下文字转载自 Faculty 讨论区 】
: 发信人: pacific (hh), 信区: Faculty
: 标 题: 各位在Search Committee做过的faculty们
: 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Wed Nov 28 21:54:59 2012, 美东)
: 你们在评估申请时，最看重什么？
: 1. publications: CNS
: 2. funding history: K99, LSF...
: 3. amazing ideas in proposal: wow~
: 4. PhD/postdoc labs: HHMI...
: 5. reference letters
w*g
24 楼
that is true. :)
better
【在 p********r 的大作中提到】
: Your mortgage payment won't be reduced. But your interest portion will be
: reduced when you have less principle. Unless your saving account has better
: yields than the mortgage rate, it does not make sense to put money into
: saving accounts (unless for a small amount of emergency funds for instant
: liquidity).
better
【在 p********r 的大作中提到】
: Your mortgage payment won't be reduced. But your interest portion will be
: reduced when you have less principle. Unless your saving account has better
: yields than the mortgage rate, it does not make sense to put money into
: saving accounts (unless for a small amount of emergency funds for instant
: liquidity).
f*g
25 楼
2， 1， 4， 5， 3。
钱最重要，其他都是为2服务的。要拿到钱，有好的文章和名师之徒都很重要。 当然，
谁也不想要一个刺头。
钱最重要，其他都是为2服务的。要拿到钱，有好的文章和名师之徒都很重要。 当然，
谁也不想要一个刺头。
a*m
26 楼
This is your misunderstanding.
If you pay extra principal, you will pay less interest next month, though
the total monthly payment is still the same.
【在 w*******g 的大作中提到】
: that is not my misunderstanding.
: Do you get to less interests each month if you pay off some principal now?
: Of course not. You are paying the same amount of mortgage each month still.
: So what is the point of paying the principal now instead of when you are
: ready
: to pay off the whole thing in the end.
:
: really
If you pay extra principal, you will pay less interest next month, though
the total monthly payment is still the same.
【在 w*******g 的大作中提到】
: that is not my misunderstanding.
: Do you get to less interests each month if you pay off some principal now?
: Of course not. You are paying the same amount of mortgage each month still.
: So what is the point of paying the principal now instead of when you are
: ready
: to pay off the whole thing in the end.
:
: really
p*c
27 楼
very helpful, thanks
do
【在 H*****e 的大作中提到】
: 1. publications: CNS
: Help your application being carefully read.
: 2. funding history: K99, LSF...
: A big plus for getting offer. An active one!
: 3. amazing ideas in proposal: wow~
: A fundable story is a key for getting offer.
: 4. PhD/postdoc labs: HHMI...
: Help you get interview.
: 5. reference letters
: I only read who wrote but not detail if above 4 are positive. If not, I do
do
【在 H*****e 的大作中提到】
: 1. publications: CNS
: Help your application being carefully read.
: 2. funding history: K99, LSF...
: A big plus for getting offer. An active one!
: 3. amazing ideas in proposal: wow~
: A fundable story is a key for getting offer.
: 4. PhD/postdoc labs: HHMI...
: Help you get interview.
: 5. reference letters
: I only read who wrote but not detail if above 4 are positive. If not, I do
z*i
28 楼
放到principal里,利息的部分会减少,虽然,每个月的PAYMENT并没有减少,但贷款的时间
缩短.
对于我们目前还没有找到更高回报的投资方式,就放到里面比简单存银行强,并且,钱存
到银行里很容易被花掉.放到PRINCIPAL里就拿不出来了.
better
【在 p********r 的大作中提到】
: Your mortgage payment won't be reduced. But your interest portion will be
: reduced when you have less principle. Unless your saving account has better
: yields than the mortgage rate, it does not make sense to put money into
: saving accounts (unless for a small amount of emergency funds for instant
: liquidity).
缩短.
对于我们目前还没有找到更高回报的投资方式,就放到里面比简单存银行强,并且,钱存
到银行里很容易被花掉.放到PRINCIPAL里就拿不出来了.
better
【在 p********r 的大作中提到】
: Your mortgage payment won't be reduced. But your interest portion will be
: reduced when you have less principle. Unless your saving account has better
: yields than the mortgage rate, it does not make sense to put money into
: saving accounts (unless for a small amount of emergency funds for instant
: liquidity).
b*8
29 楼
要是回国的话，只看1吧！
【在 p*****c 的大作中提到】
: very helpful, thanks
:
: do
【在 p*****c 的大作中提到】
: very helpful, thanks
:
: do
g*r
30 楼
绝对是2啦
有k99的证明你这个人会搞钱
对于学校来说 没有比搞钱更重要的事情了
在很多学校评甜妞，R01是唯一的硬性标准
【在 p*****c 的大作中提到】
: 【 以下文字转载自 Faculty 讨论区 】
: 发信人: pacific (hh), 信区: Faculty
: 标 题: 各位在Search Committee做过的faculty们
: 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Wed Nov 28 21:54:59 2012, 美东)
: 你们在评估申请时，最看重什么？
: 1. publications: CNS
: 2. funding history: K99, LSF...
: 3. amazing ideas in proposal: wow~
: 4. PhD/postdoc labs: HHMI...
: 5. reference letters
有k99的证明你这个人会搞钱
对于学校来说 没有比搞钱更重要的事情了
在很多学校评甜妞，R01是唯一的硬性标准
【在 p*****c 的大作中提到】
: 【 以下文字转载自 Faculty 讨论区 】
: 发信人: pacific (hh), 信区: Faculty
: 标 题: 各位在Search Committee做过的faculty们
: 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Wed Nov 28 21:54:59 2012, 美东)
: 你们在评估申请时，最看重什么？
: 1. publications: CNS
: 2. funding history: K99, LSF...
: 3. amazing ideas in proposal: wow~
: 4. PhD/postdoc labs: HHMI...
: 5. reference letters
H*e
31 楼
To clarify more about my comments rather than misunderstanding, here are
some details based on my experience:
Matching is important! But what is the exactly meaning? My guess that one
can match in many ways or one need to match multiple standards, science,
personality, direction, and the situation of the specific institute.
Grant is the key. But how to identify the right one who has the potential
if he does not have active yet?
Our college recruited 3 faculty members last 2 year. We rank between 40-50
in some list (Please do not waster time to dig further! We not top and not
bottom.) These are just for people who are interested in applying these
kinds of jobs. Also depending on department political situation, you may
see different ones. I always say that Harvard is looking for talent and we
are looking for money because school do not have fund to support young
faculty; here, they have to run with start fund. So different is different
in many ways. Here are some details for your reference:
1.A young postdoctoral form HMS level and PhD from similar level. Both PhD
and postdoct advisors are not the top PI but recognized in the field. No
CNS paper. No active grant. He had some inside information (I am not sure
who was helping him). But the real decision to offer him rather than 4
other who had >2 CNS paper and 1 who had 2 CNS and K99 is based on two
things after 2nd interview: personality (everyone liked him! and even now!)
and story! He is not the perfect match. His work is on genome but he
twisted to cancer stem cell genome to fit stem cell that Department's ad.
His personality convinced people. He prepared extremely well on his plan
and the plan for the first R01 (a few key experiments are under preparation)
. The weakness is that he is using cell line not mouse model. In his
future plan, he had clear aim and details for using mouse model. So it is
believable. For this, I told my student to learn the personality and to
read more to make better story beyond bench.
2.A young non-tenured scientist but already got R01. No CNS. PhD from
bottom place. Postdoctoral from so-so lab in OK school. PI is recognized
by old generation but not us. We beg her to join us. In the process, we
rejected a lot >2 CNS and a funded AP who had a 4th year R01 but we do not
believe that he can renew. This is a painful process. She was interviewed
earlier than others but she did not say yes. So we kept searching. We
hoped that if we keep our eyes open and we may find the one fit better. But
almost none have the story to convince all members. We continued for 8
month until she agreed to join us. So, active grant and strong potential to
be productive and renewed in the future are the factors. In this case, I
was a little sick because I believe that the committee is looking for
superman. However, she set a high bar for the rest.
In this process, we almost offered one who from HHMI lab from Y with 2
CNS. However, he is a little shy and I did not see I can make friend with
him (from my view, I cannot vote yes!). Frankly, I wanted to see an easy
going person not a potential foe in the department. Interestingly, a few
seniors felt the same way. After interview, we never contacted him and
neither him. I guess that he could see the answer from my attitude after 30
min talk. We also experienced one with 2 1st author CNS and many non-1st
author CNS. But it seemed that his advisor played big role and he does not
have clear goal. My guess that he stay in bench side too long.
3.A young fellow with non-US PhD and postdoctoral from a famous New York
institute. PI is a MD recognized in the field but not really in research.
But he was very productive. Published >15 papers in 7 year postdoctoral but
only 2 Cell XXX papers (1st author+co-1st). We did not have big hope but
he somehow in the top list (I remember that his advisor called us but maybe
wrong). It turned out that he had a lot of experience to help his PI apply
grants. He knows the system and he is determined what he wants to do so
strong. Although we all believe that he is not the best but he convinced
department chair and some seniors. So chair made the final call. It turns
out that it was a right decision. He got his R01 in his first submission in
his 7th month here! So I tell my fellow that, when one is ready, he is
ready. I saw too many who had CNS but not ready! Especially in this search
, there are over 30 applications being seriously reviewed and, on paper, he
barely made into the list.
From above examples, you may see that CNS can get you an interview
opportunity but has little role after that. Personality and potential are
the keys from there!
Again, these are just for your reference.
some details based on my experience:
Matching is important! But what is the exactly meaning? My guess that one
can match in many ways or one need to match multiple standards, science,
personality, direction, and the situation of the specific institute.
Grant is the key. But how to identify the right one who has the potential
if he does not have active yet?
Our college recruited 3 faculty members last 2 year. We rank between 40-50
in some list (Please do not waster time to dig further! We not top and not
bottom.) These are just for people who are interested in applying these
kinds of jobs. Also depending on department political situation, you may
see different ones. I always say that Harvard is looking for talent and we
are looking for money because school do not have fund to support young
faculty; here, they have to run with start fund. So different is different
in many ways. Here are some details for your reference:
1.A young postdoctoral form HMS level and PhD from similar level. Both PhD
and postdoct advisors are not the top PI but recognized in the field. No
CNS paper. No active grant. He had some inside information (I am not sure
who was helping him). But the real decision to offer him rather than 4
other who had >2 CNS paper and 1 who had 2 CNS and K99 is based on two
things after 2nd interview: personality (everyone liked him! and even now!)
and story! He is not the perfect match. His work is on genome but he
twisted to cancer stem cell genome to fit stem cell that Department's ad.
His personality convinced people. He prepared extremely well on his plan
and the plan for the first R01 (a few key experiments are under preparation)
. The weakness is that he is using cell line not mouse model. In his
future plan, he had clear aim and details for using mouse model. So it is
believable. For this, I told my student to learn the personality and to
read more to make better story beyond bench.
2.A young non-tenured scientist but already got R01. No CNS. PhD from
bottom place. Postdoctoral from so-so lab in OK school. PI is recognized
by old generation but not us. We beg her to join us. In the process, we
rejected a lot >2 CNS and a funded AP who had a 4th year R01 but we do not
believe that he can renew. This is a painful process. She was interviewed
earlier than others but she did not say yes. So we kept searching. We
hoped that if we keep our eyes open and we may find the one fit better. But
almost none have the story to convince all members. We continued for 8
month until she agreed to join us. So, active grant and strong potential to
be productive and renewed in the future are the factors. In this case, I
was a little sick because I believe that the committee is looking for
superman. However, she set a high bar for the rest.
In this process, we almost offered one who from HHMI lab from Y with 2
CNS. However, he is a little shy and I did not see I can make friend with
him (from my view, I cannot vote yes!). Frankly, I wanted to see an easy
going person not a potential foe in the department. Interestingly, a few
seniors felt the same way. After interview, we never contacted him and
neither him. I guess that he could see the answer from my attitude after 30
min talk. We also experienced one with 2 1st author CNS and many non-1st
author CNS. But it seemed that his advisor played big role and he does not
have clear goal. My guess that he stay in bench side too long.
3.A young fellow with non-US PhD and postdoctoral from a famous New York
institute. PI is a MD recognized in the field but not really in research.
But he was very productive. Published >15 papers in 7 year postdoctoral but
only 2 Cell XXX papers (1st author+co-1st). We did not have big hope but
he somehow in the top list (I remember that his advisor called us but maybe
wrong). It turned out that he had a lot of experience to help his PI apply
grants. He knows the system and he is determined what he wants to do so
strong. Although we all believe that he is not the best but he convinced
department chair and some seniors. So chair made the final call. It turns
out that it was a right decision. He got his R01 in his first submission in
his 7th month here! So I tell my fellow that, when one is ready, he is
ready. I saw too many who had CNS but not ready! Especially in this search
, there are over 30 applications being seriously reviewed and, on paper, he
barely made into the list.
From above examples, you may see that CNS can get you an interview
opportunity but has little role after that. Personality and potential are
the keys from there!
Again, these are just for your reference.
s*c
32 楼
That's very helpful and very useful! I think that is the most informative
post I've seen here.
This is exactly how things work in academia. You can get a job, get a grant
or get a reward not just based on how many CNS you published. There are so
many things that are not less important than your publications for your
career.
For job hunting, I think one common misunderstanding about if you are ready
is that if you have many significant papers. I think that is not enough. One
thing that matters a lot and often gets missed by people is your actual
ability of doing independent work. DO YOU feel that you are ready? No matter
how many papers you have, can you write a nice manuscript and tell a story
in a logic way all by yourself? Do you have a clear idea about what you want
to do in future, how you are gonna achieve that and what kind of impacts
your work will have in your field? Can you write a 10-page grant with clear
and precise description of the current research of your field, your research
plans, the potential obstacles and potential collaborations? Can you
explain or have you explained your work very clearly to a student? If the
answer is yes, and you have papers (not necessarily NCS papers) and your
boss's support, even if you are not from a big lab or you don't have
fellowships like K99 or you didn't graduate from a top university, I say you
will have a great chance of getting a job.
one
50
【在 H*****e 的大作中提到】
: To clarify more about my comments rather than misunderstanding, here are
: some details based on my experience:
: Matching is important! But what is the exactly meaning? My guess that one
: can match in many ways or one need to match multiple standards, science,
: personality, direction, and the situation of the specific institute.
: Grant is the key. But how to identify the right one who has the potential
: if he does not have active yet?
: Our college recruited 3 faculty members last 2 year. We rank between 40-50
: in some list (Please do not waster time to dig further! We not top and not
: bottom.) These are just for people who are interested in applying these
post I've seen here.
This is exactly how things work in academia. You can get a job, get a grant
or get a reward not just based on how many CNS you published. There are so
many things that are not less important than your publications for your
career.
For job hunting, I think one common misunderstanding about if you are ready
is that if you have many significant papers. I think that is not enough. One
thing that matters a lot and often gets missed by people is your actual
ability of doing independent work. DO YOU feel that you are ready? No matter
how many papers you have, can you write a nice manuscript and tell a story
in a logic way all by yourself? Do you have a clear idea about what you want
to do in future, how you are gonna achieve that and what kind of impacts
your work will have in your field? Can you write a 10-page grant with clear
and precise description of the current research of your field, your research
plans, the potential obstacles and potential collaborations? Can you
explain or have you explained your work very clearly to a student? If the
answer is yes, and you have papers (not necessarily NCS papers) and your
boss's support, even if you are not from a big lab or you don't have
fellowships like K99 or you didn't graduate from a top university, I say you
will have a great chance of getting a job.
one
50
【在 H*****e 的大作中提到】
: To clarify more about my comments rather than misunderstanding, here are
: some details based on my experience:
: Matching is important! But what is the exactly meaning? My guess that one
: can match in many ways or one need to match multiple standards, science,
: personality, direction, and the situation of the specific institute.
: Grant is the key. But how to identify the right one who has the potential
: if he does not have active yet?
: Our college recruited 3 faculty members last 2 year. We rank between 40-50
: in some list (Please do not waster time to dig further! We not top and not
: bottom.) These are just for people who are interested in applying these
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