c*g
2 楼
刀板是木头的，用了有些年头了，最近有些菌长出来， 那些菌呈现淡棕色，还有一些
是根黑木耳一样的颜色，我每次都是用刀 挂掉，可是还是长，请问这些东西有毒吗？
怎么处理掉？
多谢，
是根黑木耳一样的颜色，我每次都是用刀 挂掉，可是还是长，请问这些东西有毒吗？
怎么处理掉？
多谢，
h*n
3 楼
【 以下文字转载自 Military 讨论区 】
发信人: hutuxian (糊涂仙), 信区: Military
标 题: 我某型主力战机坠毁，损失惨重 飞行员用iphone呼救
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sat Nov 15 09:00:59 2014, 美东)
飞行员用iphone 手机呼叫总部
今天14时许，成都郫县三道堰青杠树村，一架飞机意外坠毁，飞行员已提前跳伞逃生。
目前，相关救援人员已赶赴现场救援。从现场照片来看，疑似为我国某型号主力战机
。逃生时爆炸螺栓将座舱盖炸开，座舱降落伞先打开，离飞机后另一伞包再开。
发信人: hutuxian (糊涂仙), 信区: Military
标 题: 我某型主力战机坠毁，损失惨重 飞行员用iphone呼救
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sat Nov 15 09:00:59 2014, 美东)
飞行员用iphone 手机呼叫总部
今天14时许，成都郫县三道堰青杠树村，一架飞机意外坠毁，飞行员已提前跳伞逃生。
目前，相关救援人员已赶赴现场救援。从现场照片来看，疑似为我国某型号主力战机
。逃生时爆炸螺栓将座舱盖炸开，座舱降落伞先打开，离飞机后另一伞包再开。
b*n
4 楼
Francis Collins和Shirley Tilghman总算为广大wsn谋了点福利。
1. NIH will increase yearly stipends for the 35,000 postdocs it supports
from $39,000 to $42,000
2. NIH will spend an average of US$50 million a year for 10 years on a grant
programme designed to provide financial support and mentoring to
undergraduates at less-research-intensive institutions, which tend to have
more diverse student populations.
3. Another set of up to 50 grants, each worth about $250,000, will entice
institutions to launch innovative training programmes that prepare students
for careers outside academia, in everything from science policy to industry
and research administration.
4. NIH will also encourage universities and other institutions to limit NIH-
supported doctoral studies to five years.
NIH tackles major workforce issues
US agency aims to expand training options for graduate students and to
increase demographic diversity.
Meredith Wadman
12 December 2012
Francis Collins: “These proposed initiatives are designed to effect real
change.”
The world’s largest biomedical research funding agency last week announced
a programme of nudges, incentives and requirements intended to respond to
two thorny workforce-related problems: the oversupply of young scientists
who face diminishing prospects of landing academic jobs, and the lack of
demographic diversity in the US biomedical workforce.
Two reports issued in June challenged the US National Institutes of Health (
NIH) to better prepare young biologists for an evolving and increasingly
competitive job market, and to boost diversity (see Nature 486, 304; 2012).
In response, the agency, based in Bethesda, Maryland, will spend an average
of US$50 million a year for 10 years on a grant programme designed to
provide financial support and mentoring to undergraduates at less-research-
intensive institutions, which tend to have more diverse student populations.
Another set of up to 50 grants, each worth about $250,000, will entice
institutions to launch innovative training programmes that prepare students
for careers outside academia, in everything from science policy to industry
and research administration. The agency will also encourage universities and
other institutions to limit NIH-supported doctoral studies to five years.
To measure the success of the new initiatives, the NIH will require
universities and academic medical centres to track the careers of all of
their NIH-funded graduate students and postdocs for 15 years after they are
trained. “The challenges facing the biomedical workforce are complex and
these proposed initiatives are designed to effect real change,” says
Francis Collins, director of the NIH. “I’m optimistic that the entire
scientific-research community will come together to help implement them.”
More related stories
The National Medical Association (NMA) in Silver Spring, Maryland, the main
group representing black medical scientists, praised the agency’s diversity
plans, which also include a nationwide mentoring consortium, training on
diversity issues for NIH review staff and members of peer-review panels, and
a pilot scheme to assess anonymized grant applications. These initiatives
were spurred by a study showing that, when other factors such as education
are controlled for, black applicants are 10% less likely than whites to win
NIH grant funding (D. K. Ginther et al. Science 333, 1015–1019; 2011). Rahn
Bailey, president of the NMA, called the plans “a move in the right
direction”.
But Shirley Tilghman, who co-chaired the working group that wrote the June
workforce report, said that simply encouraging institutions to limit the
length of doctoral studies isn’t enough. Tilghman, a molecular biologist
and the president of Princeton University in New Jersey, told Collins’s
advisory committee on 6 December that “unless you get a stick, this won’t
happen”. Her group’s report noted that the number of US PhD biomedical
graduates who secure tenure-track or tenured jobs has fallen from 34% in
1993 to 26% today. She said that unless the NIH takes tougher steps, “we
will be looking at data that look just like this ten more years from now”.
Neither the June report nor the NIH response answer one key question — how
many biomedical PhDs the United States should be training — because the
necessary data and workforce-modelling expertise were not available either
to the report’s authors or to NIH staff. Indeed, the NIH also plans to hire
at least one labour economist, to work as part of a new unit devoted to
modelling biomedical-workforce needs.
As part of its workforce initiative, the NIH will increase yearly stipends
for the 35,000 postdocs it supports from $39,000 to $42,000, a 7.7% rise, in
an effort to reflect postdocs’ extensive training and to discourage lab
heads from prolonging the postdoctoral training period. The National
Postdoctoral Association in Washington DC applauded the NIH’s plans. “The
NIH has really stepped up to the plate in regard to early-career scientists,
” says Cathee Johnson Phillips, the group’s executive director. The last
time NIH-funded postdocs got a significant pay rise was in 2003.
Nature492,167(13 December 2012)doi:10.1038/492167a
1. NIH will increase yearly stipends for the 35,000 postdocs it supports
from $39,000 to $42,000
2. NIH will spend an average of US$50 million a year for 10 years on a grant
programme designed to provide financial support and mentoring to
undergraduates at less-research-intensive institutions, which tend to have
more diverse student populations.
3. Another set of up to 50 grants, each worth about $250,000, will entice
institutions to launch innovative training programmes that prepare students
for careers outside academia, in everything from science policy to industry
and research administration.
4. NIH will also encourage universities and other institutions to limit NIH-
supported doctoral studies to five years.
NIH tackles major workforce issues
US agency aims to expand training options for graduate students and to
increase demographic diversity.
Meredith Wadman
12 December 2012
Francis Collins: “These proposed initiatives are designed to effect real
change.”
The world’s largest biomedical research funding agency last week announced
a programme of nudges, incentives and requirements intended to respond to
two thorny workforce-related problems: the oversupply of young scientists
who face diminishing prospects of landing academic jobs, and the lack of
demographic diversity in the US biomedical workforce.
Two reports issued in June challenged the US National Institutes of Health (
NIH) to better prepare young biologists for an evolving and increasingly
competitive job market, and to boost diversity (see Nature 486, 304; 2012).
In response, the agency, based in Bethesda, Maryland, will spend an average
of US$50 million a year for 10 years on a grant programme designed to
provide financial support and mentoring to undergraduates at less-research-
intensive institutions, which tend to have more diverse student populations.
Another set of up to 50 grants, each worth about $250,000, will entice
institutions to launch innovative training programmes that prepare students
for careers outside academia, in everything from science policy to industry
and research administration. The agency will also encourage universities and
other institutions to limit NIH-supported doctoral studies to five years.
To measure the success of the new initiatives, the NIH will require
universities and academic medical centres to track the careers of all of
their NIH-funded graduate students and postdocs for 15 years after they are
trained. “The challenges facing the biomedical workforce are complex and
these proposed initiatives are designed to effect real change,” says
Francis Collins, director of the NIH. “I’m optimistic that the entire
scientific-research community will come together to help implement them.”
More related stories
The National Medical Association (NMA) in Silver Spring, Maryland, the main
group representing black medical scientists, praised the agency’s diversity
plans, which also include a nationwide mentoring consortium, training on
diversity issues for NIH review staff and members of peer-review panels, and
a pilot scheme to assess anonymized grant applications. These initiatives
were spurred by a study showing that, when other factors such as education
are controlled for, black applicants are 10% less likely than whites to win
NIH grant funding (D. K. Ginther et al. Science 333, 1015–1019; 2011). Rahn
Bailey, president of the NMA, called the plans “a move in the right
direction”.
But Shirley Tilghman, who co-chaired the working group that wrote the June
workforce report, said that simply encouraging institutions to limit the
length of doctoral studies isn’t enough. Tilghman, a molecular biologist
and the president of Princeton University in New Jersey, told Collins’s
advisory committee on 6 December that “unless you get a stick, this won’t
happen”. Her group’s report noted that the number of US PhD biomedical
graduates who secure tenure-track or tenured jobs has fallen from 34% in
1993 to 26% today. She said that unless the NIH takes tougher steps, “we
will be looking at data that look just like this ten more years from now”.
Neither the June report nor the NIH response answer one key question — how
many biomedical PhDs the United States should be training — because the
necessary data and workforce-modelling expertise were not available either
to the report’s authors or to NIH staff. Indeed, the NIH also plans to hire
at least one labour economist, to work as part of a new unit devoted to
modelling biomedical-workforce needs.
As part of its workforce initiative, the NIH will increase yearly stipends
for the 35,000 postdocs it supports from $39,000 to $42,000, a 7.7% rise, in
an effort to reflect postdocs’ extensive training and to discourage lab
heads from prolonging the postdoctoral training period. The National
Postdoctoral Association in Washington DC applauded the NIH’s plans. “The
NIH has really stepped up to the plate in regard to early-career scientists,
” says Cathee Johnson Phillips, the group’s executive director. The last
time NIH-funded postdocs got a significant pay rise was in 2003.
Nature492,167(13 December 2012)doi:10.1038/492167a
k*a
5 楼
啥叫a letter of interest？
【在 t*****u 的大作中提到】
: 有人写过吗？ 有格式可循吗？
【在 t*****u 的大作中提到】
: 有人写过吗？ 有格式可循吗？
c*s
6 楼
吃。干脆在刀板上挖个洞，种香菇，随吃随取，方便。
【在 c****g 的大作中提到】
: 刀板是木头的，用了有些年头了，最近有些菌长出来， 那些菌呈现淡棕色，还有一些
: 是根黑木耳一样的颜色，我每次都是用刀 挂掉，可是还是长，请问这些东西有毒吗？
: 怎么处理掉？
: 多谢，
【在 c****g 的大作中提到】
: 刀板是木头的，用了有些年头了，最近有些菌长出来， 那些菌呈现淡棕色，还有一些
: 是根黑木耳一样的颜色，我每次都是用刀 挂掉，可是还是长，请问这些东西有毒吗？
: 怎么处理掉？
: 多谢，
L*y
7 楼
开飞机的时候打电话了吧
【 以下文字转载自 Military 讨论区 】
发信人: hutuxian (糊涂仙), 信区: Military
标 题: 我某型主力战机坠毁，损失惨重 飞行员用iphone呼救
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sat Nov 15 09:00:59 2014, 美东)
飞行员用iphone 手机呼叫总部
今天14时许，成都郫县三道堰青杠树村，一架飞机意外坠毁，飞行员已提前跳伞逃生。
目前，相关救援人员已赶赴现场救援。从现场照片来看，疑似为我国某型号主力战机
。逃生时爆炸螺栓将座舱盖炸开，座舱降落伞先打开，离飞机后另一伞包再开。
【在 h******n 的大作中提到】
: 【 以下文字转载自 Military 讨论区 】
: 发信人: hutuxian (糊涂仙), 信区: Military
: 标 题: 我某型主力战机坠毁，损失惨重 飞行员用iphone呼救
: 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sat Nov 15 09:00:59 2014, 美东)
: 飞行员用iphone 手机呼叫总部
: 今天14时许，成都郫县三道堰青杠树村，一架飞机意外坠毁，飞行员已提前跳伞逃生。
: 目前，相关救援人员已赶赴现场救援。从现场照片来看，疑似为我国某型号主力战机
: 。逃生时爆炸螺栓将座舱盖炸开，座舱降落伞先打开，离飞机后另一伞包再开。
【 以下文字转载自 Military 讨论区 】
发信人: hutuxian (糊涂仙), 信区: Military
标 题: 我某型主力战机坠毁，损失惨重 飞行员用iphone呼救
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sat Nov 15 09:00:59 2014, 美东)
飞行员用iphone 手机呼叫总部
今天14时许，成都郫县三道堰青杠树村，一架飞机意外坠毁，飞行员已提前跳伞逃生。
目前，相关救援人员已赶赴现场救援。从现场照片来看，疑似为我国某型号主力战机
。逃生时爆炸螺栓将座舱盖炸开，座舱降落伞先打开，离飞机后另一伞包再开。
【在 h******n 的大作中提到】
: 【 以下文字转载自 Military 讨论区 】
: 发信人: hutuxian (糊涂仙), 信区: Military
: 标 题: 我某型主力战机坠毁，损失惨重 飞行员用iphone呼救
: 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sat Nov 15 09:00:59 2014, 美东)
: 飞行员用iphone 手机呼叫总部
: 今天14时许，成都郫县三道堰青杠树村，一架飞机意外坠毁，飞行员已提前跳伞逃生。
: 目前，相关救援人员已赶赴现场救援。从现场照片来看，疑似为我国某型号主力战机
: 。逃生时爆炸螺栓将座舱盖炸开，座舱降落伞先打开，离飞机后另一伞包再开。
y*8
8 楼
This would be a big waste of money.
2. NIH will spend an average of US$50 million a year for 10 years on a grant
programme designed to provide financial support and mentoring to
undergraduates at less-research-intensive institutions, which tend to have
more diverse student populations.
grant
students
industry
【在 b*****n 的大作中提到】
: Francis Collins和Shirley Tilghman总算为广大wsn谋了点福利。
: 1. NIH will increase yearly stipends for the 35,000 postdocs it supports
: from $39,000 to $42,000
: 2. NIH will spend an average of US$50 million a year for 10 years on a grant
: programme designed to provide financial support and mentoring to
: undergraduates at less-research-intensive institutions, which tend to have
: more diverse student populations.
: 3. Another set of up to 50 grants, each worth about $250,000, will entice
: institutions to launch innovative training programmes that prepare students
: for careers outside academia, in everything from science policy to industry
2. NIH will spend an average of US$50 million a year for 10 years on a grant
programme designed to provide financial support and mentoring to
undergraduates at less-research-intensive institutions, which tend to have
more diverse student populations.
grant
students
industry
【在 b*****n 的大作中提到】
: Francis Collins和Shirley Tilghman总算为广大wsn谋了点福利。
: 1. NIH will increase yearly stipends for the 35,000 postdocs it supports
: from $39,000 to $42,000
: 2. NIH will spend an average of US$50 million a year for 10 years on a grant
: programme designed to provide financial support and mentoring to
: undergraduates at less-research-intensive institutions, which tend to have
: more diverse student populations.
: 3. Another set of up to 50 grants, each worth about $250,000, will entice
: institutions to launch innovative training programmes that prepare students
: for careers outside academia, in everything from science policy to industry
d*n
9 楼
就是COVER LETTER.
http://www.amazon.com/Knock-Dead-Cover-Letters-Information/dp/1
去图书馆找这本书.
http://www.amazon.com/Knock-Dead-Cover-Letters-Information/dp/1
去图书馆找这本书.
f*i
10 楼
换吧
o*n
11 楼
并不是所有智能手机都叫iphone。
c*o
12 楼
what is not waste of money? many top-tier institue folks do photoshop
sponsored by NIH too.....
grant
【在 y******8 的大作中提到】
: This would be a big waste of money.
: 2. NIH will spend an average of US$50 million a year for 10 years on a grant
: programme designed to provide financial support and mentoring to
: undergraduates at less-research-intensive institutions, which tend to have
: more diverse student populations.
:
: grant
: students
: industry
sponsored by NIH too.....
grant
【在 y******8 的大作中提到】
: This would be a big waste of money.
: 2. NIH will spend an average of US$50 million a year for 10 years on a grant
: programme designed to provide financial support and mentoring to
: undergraduates at less-research-intensive institutions, which tend to have
: more diverse student populations.
:
: grant
: students
: industry
b*l
13 楼
刀板是指案板么？那个最多两年就要换了。我的木头的一年一换，竹子的两年一换。
【在 c****g 的大作中提到】
: 刀板是木头的，用了有些年头了，最近有些菌长出来， 那些菌呈现淡棕色，还有一些
: 是根黑木耳一样的颜色，我每次都是用刀 挂掉，可是还是长，请问这些东西有毒吗？
: 怎么处理掉？
: 多谢，
【在 c****g 的大作中提到】
: 刀板是木头的，用了有些年头了，最近有些菌长出来， 那些菌呈现淡棕色，还有一些
: 是根黑木耳一样的颜色，我每次都是用刀 挂掉，可是还是长，请问这些东西有毒吗？
: 怎么处理掉？
: 多谢，
j*u
14 楼
国内的军队早就禁止使用国外手机了。
【在 h******n 的大作中提到】
: 【 以下文字转载自 Military 讨论区 】
: 发信人: hutuxian (糊涂仙), 信区: Military
: 标 题: 我某型主力战机坠毁，损失惨重 飞行员用iphone呼救
: 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sat Nov 15 09:00:59 2014, 美东)
: 飞行员用iphone 手机呼叫总部
: 今天14时许，成都郫县三道堰青杠树村，一架飞机意外坠毁，飞行员已提前跳伞逃生。
: 目前，相关救援人员已赶赴现场救援。从现场照片来看，疑似为我国某型号主力战机
: 。逃生时爆炸螺栓将座舱盖炸开，座舱降落伞先打开，离飞机后另一伞包再开。
【在 h******n 的大作中提到】
: 【 以下文字转载自 Military 讨论区 】
: 发信人: hutuxian (糊涂仙), 信区: Military
: 标 题: 我某型主力战机坠毁，损失惨重 飞行员用iphone呼救
: 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sat Nov 15 09:00:59 2014, 美东)
: 飞行员用iphone 手机呼叫总部
: 今天14时许，成都郫县三道堰青杠树村，一架飞机意外坠毁，飞行员已提前跳伞逃生。
: 目前，相关救援人员已赶赴现场救援。从现场照片来看，疑似为我国某型号主力战机
: 。逃生时爆炸螺栓将座舱盖炸开，座舱降落伞先打开，离飞机后另一伞包再开。
b*k
15 楼
这个算是政治正确吧 老实说这里面哪条不是浪费钱？
grant
【在 y******8 的大作中提到】
: This would be a big waste of money.
: 2. NIH will spend an average of US$50 million a year for 10 years on a grant
: programme designed to provide financial support and mentoring to
: undergraduates at less-research-intensive institutions, which tend to have
: more diverse student populations.
:
: grant
: students
: industry
grant
【在 y******8 的大作中提到】
: This would be a big waste of money.
: 2. NIH will spend an average of US$50 million a year for 10 years on a grant
: programme designed to provide financial support and mentoring to
: undergraduates at less-research-intensive institutions, which tend to have
: more diverse student populations.
:
: grant
: students
: industry
w*l
16 楼
软毛眼里是瘟疯,狗腿子眼里是安疯,果轮眼里是爱疯
K*S
17 楼
exactly, another form of AA
【在 b******k 的大作中提到】
: 这个算是政治正确吧 老实说这里面哪条不是浪费钱？
:
: grant
【在 b******k 的大作中提到】
: 这个算是政治正确吧 老实说这里面哪条不是浪费钱？
:
: grant
a*2
18 楼
It's good. Less chinese will jump to bio black hole.
s*e
19 楼
薄厚周期长没出路的根本原因在于1）严重结构性供大于求（美国自身的过度培养加上
大量外国高忍耐力低期望值博士的加入）2）科研投入的萎缩3）工业界的长期不景气。
期望通过给博士后长点工资来解决供求失衡正如隔靴搔痒。
在无法拓展需求的情况下，只有用“立法”的形式来控制“供应量”。比如对从事生物
研究的外国人的H1B采用限额，每个大学研究所研究生招生采用配额制。在此施行后，
很大一批弱势实验室会因人员枯竭而倒闭。然后全行业才有望回归根本的平衡。
注：这种事就是在我天朝实施起来也将是非常困难的，在一个视调控为虎的美国，基本
没戏。关键是who really care you postdoc can't find job?
grant
students
industry
【在 b*****n 的大作中提到】
: Francis Collins和Shirley Tilghman总算为广大wsn谋了点福利。
: 1. NIH will increase yearly stipends for the 35,000 postdocs it supports
: from $39,000 to $42,000
: 2. NIH will spend an average of US$50 million a year for 10 years on a grant
: programme designed to provide financial support and mentoring to
: undergraduates at less-research-intensive institutions, which tend to have
: more diverse student populations.
: 3. Another set of up to 50 grants, each worth about $250,000, will entice
: institutions to launch innovative training programmes that prepare students
: for careers outside academia, in everything from science policy to industry
大量外国高忍耐力低期望值博士的加入）2）科研投入的萎缩3）工业界的长期不景气。
期望通过给博士后长点工资来解决供求失衡正如隔靴搔痒。
在无法拓展需求的情况下，只有用“立法”的形式来控制“供应量”。比如对从事生物
研究的外国人的H1B采用限额，每个大学研究所研究生招生采用配额制。在此施行后，
很大一批弱势实验室会因人员枯竭而倒闭。然后全行业才有望回归根本的平衡。
注：这种事就是在我天朝实施起来也将是非常困难的，在一个视调控为虎的美国，基本
没戏。关键是who really care you postdoc can't find job?
grant
students
industry
【在 b*****n 的大作中提到】
: Francis Collins和Shirley Tilghman总算为广大wsn谋了点福利。
: 1. NIH will increase yearly stipends for the 35,000 postdocs it supports
: from $39,000 to $42,000
: 2. NIH will spend an average of US$50 million a year for 10 years on a grant
: programme designed to provide financial support and mentoring to
: undergraduates at less-research-intensive institutions, which tend to have
: more diverse student populations.
: 3. Another set of up to 50 grants, each worth about $250,000, will entice
: institutions to launch innovative training programmes that prepare students
: for careers outside academia, in everything from science policy to industry
y*8
20 楼
NIH的调控意图非常明显，所有拿NIH钱的研究人员也都被迫跟着走。Francis Collins
上任后搞的所有调控，都对生物基础研究非常不利；对临床医疗研究也有很多揠苗助长
的行为。
【在 s*******e 的大作中提到】
: 薄厚周期长没出路的根本原因在于1）严重结构性供大于求（美国自身的过度培养加上
: 大量外国高忍耐力低期望值博士的加入）2）科研投入的萎缩3）工业界的长期不景气。
: 期望通过给博士后长点工资来解决供求失衡正如隔靴搔痒。
: 在无法拓展需求的情况下，只有用“立法”的形式来控制“供应量”。比如对从事生物
: 研究的外国人的H1B采用限额，每个大学研究所研究生招生采用配额制。在此施行后，
: 很大一批弱势实验室会因人员枯竭而倒闭。然后全行业才有望回归根本的平衡。
: 注：这种事就是在我天朝实施起来也将是非常困难的，在一个视调控为虎的美国，基本
: 没戏。关键是who really care you postdoc can't find job?
:
: grant
上任后搞的所有调控，都对生物基础研究非常不利；对临床医疗研究也有很多揠苗助长
的行为。
【在 s*******e 的大作中提到】
: 薄厚周期长没出路的根本原因在于1）严重结构性供大于求（美国自身的过度培养加上
: 大量外国高忍耐力低期望值博士的加入）2）科研投入的萎缩3）工业界的长期不景气。
: 期望通过给博士后长点工资来解决供求失衡正如隔靴搔痒。
: 在无法拓展需求的情况下，只有用“立法”的形式来控制“供应量”。比如对从事生物
: 研究的外国人的H1B采用限额，每个大学研究所研究生招生采用配额制。在此施行后，
: 很大一批弱势实验室会因人员枯竭而倒闭。然后全行业才有望回归根本的平衡。
: 注：这种事就是在我天朝实施起来也将是非常困难的，在一个视调控为虎的美国，基本
: 没戏。关键是who really care you postdoc can't find job?
:
: grant
S*e
21 楼
NIH都是说鼓励建议，没说一定要求。这种跟没说一样。science有一篇文章评论这事，
题目叫大希望，小变化。里面也提到了如果nih不是强制执行，那就基本没有用。比如
涨工资这事，有多少学校根据nih标准发工资？从3万9涨到4万2，还不是一大堆博后拿3
万5。还是楼上说得对，关键是没人真正care博后的前途。廉价的博后是教授，大学，
nih最好的劳动力。把奴隶们都解放了，受害的是奴隶主。
反正教授和nih头头们的孩子不会有几个学生物的。
Collins
【在 y******8 的大作中提到】
: NIH的调控意图非常明显，所有拿NIH钱的研究人员也都被迫跟着走。Francis Collins
: 上任后搞的所有调控，都对生物基础研究非常不利；对临床医疗研究也有很多揠苗助长
: 的行为。
题目叫大希望，小变化。里面也提到了如果nih不是强制执行，那就基本没有用。比如
涨工资这事，有多少学校根据nih标准发工资？从3万9涨到4万2，还不是一大堆博后拿3
万5。还是楼上说得对，关键是没人真正care博后的前途。廉价的博后是教授，大学，
nih最好的劳动力。把奴隶们都解放了，受害的是奴隶主。
反正教授和nih头头们的孩子不会有几个学生物的。
Collins
【在 y******8 的大作中提到】
: NIH的调控意图非常明显，所有拿NIH钱的研究人员也都被迫跟着走。Francis Collins
: 上任后搞的所有调控，都对生物基础研究非常不利；对临床医疗研究也有很多揠苗助长
: 的行为。
y*8
22 楼
Postdoc salary is just a tiny part of his agenda.
Just look at the four items, how significant is the salary part?
拿3
【在 S**********e 的大作中提到】
: NIH都是说鼓励建议，没说一定要求。这种跟没说一样。science有一篇文章评论这事，
: 题目叫大希望，小变化。里面也提到了如果nih不是强制执行，那就基本没有用。比如
: 涨工资这事，有多少学校根据nih标准发工资？从3万9涨到4万2，还不是一大堆博后拿3
: 万5。还是楼上说得对，关键是没人真正care博后的前途。廉价的博后是教授，大学，
: nih最好的劳动力。把奴隶们都解放了，受害的是奴隶主。
: 反正教授和nih头头们的孩子不会有几个学生物的。
:
: Collins
Just look at the four items, how significant is the salary part?
拿3
【在 S**********e 的大作中提到】
: NIH都是说鼓励建议，没说一定要求。这种跟没说一样。science有一篇文章评论这事，
: 题目叫大希望，小变化。里面也提到了如果nih不是强制执行，那就基本没有用。比如
: 涨工资这事，有多少学校根据nih标准发工资？从3万9涨到4万2，还不是一大堆博后拿3
: 万5。还是楼上说得对，关键是没人真正care博后的前途。廉价的博后是教授，大学，
: nih最好的劳动力。把奴隶们都解放了，受害的是奴隶主。
: 反正教授和nih头头们的孩子不会有几个学生物的。
:
: Collins
S*e
23 楼
一共4条
1。涨工资3000块-----有几个学校会听他们的
2。本科生-----不知道这具体是干什么
3。培训适用于工业界的技能------技能可以训练，但生物目前还不能大规模工业化，
让那些做虫子，果蝇，酵母的去学习啥？老板们干嘛？
4。鼓励5年毕业-----可以有例外，跟没说一样
生物的关键问题是供需失衡，如果像医学院一样严格控制入行人数，博后也可以像香饽
饽一样。
不过nih总算意识到了问题，态度值得赞赏，不过实际效果估计不大。至少10年内很难
看到成效
http://www.sciencemag.org/content/338/6113/1405.full.pdf
看看这篇文章， 有人认为训练了过多人员，有人竟然认为不存在供给过量的问题。
这次改革，nih也无意降低甚至稳定目前研究人员的数量， 只打算改善训练。不控制数
量，根本不能解决问题。
【在 y******8 的大作中提到】
: Postdoc salary is just a tiny part of his agenda.
: Just look at the four items, how significant is the salary part?
:
: 拿3
1。涨工资3000块-----有几个学校会听他们的
2。本科生-----不知道这具体是干什么
3。培训适用于工业界的技能------技能可以训练，但生物目前还不能大规模工业化，
让那些做虫子，果蝇，酵母的去学习啥？老板们干嘛？
4。鼓励5年毕业-----可以有例外，跟没说一样
生物的关键问题是供需失衡，如果像医学院一样严格控制入行人数，博后也可以像香饽
饽一样。
不过nih总算意识到了问题，态度值得赞赏，不过实际效果估计不大。至少10年内很难
看到成效
http://www.sciencemag.org/content/338/6113/1405.full.pdf
看看这篇文章， 有人认为训练了过多人员，有人竟然认为不存在供给过量的问题。
这次改革，nih也无意降低甚至稳定目前研究人员的数量， 只打算改善训练。不控制数
量，根本不能解决问题。
【在 y******8 的大作中提到】
: Postdoc salary is just a tiny part of his agenda.
: Just look at the four items, how significant is the salary part?
:
: 拿3
b*n
24 楼
不光是解决工资待遇，还要解决行业里老黑太少的问题
第二条就是说要给research不那么intensive的学校多发点钱，因为这种学校“学生更
多元化”
【在 S**********e 的大作中提到】
: 一共4条
: 1。涨工资3000块-----有几个学校会听他们的
: 2。本科生-----不知道这具体是干什么
: 3。培训适用于工业界的技能------技能可以训练，但生物目前还不能大规模工业化，
: 让那些做虫子，果蝇，酵母的去学习啥？老板们干嘛？
: 4。鼓励5年毕业-----可以有例外，跟没说一样
: 生物的关键问题是供需失衡，如果像医学院一样严格控制入行人数，博后也可以像香饽
: 饽一样。
: 不过nih总算意识到了问题，态度值得赞赏，不过实际效果估计不大。至少10年内很难
: 看到成效
第二条就是说要给research不那么intensive的学校多发点钱，因为这种学校“学生更
多元化”
【在 S**********e 的大作中提到】
: 一共4条
: 1。涨工资3000块-----有几个学校会听他们的
: 2。本科生-----不知道这具体是干什么
: 3。培训适用于工业界的技能------技能可以训练，但生物目前还不能大规模工业化，
: 让那些做虫子，果蝇，酵母的去学习啥？老板们干嘛？
: 4。鼓励5年毕业-----可以有例外，跟没说一样
: 生物的关键问题是供需失衡，如果像医学院一样严格控制入行人数，博后也可以像香饽
: 饽一样。
: 不过nih总算意识到了问题，态度值得赞赏，不过实际效果估计不大。至少10年内很难
: 看到成效
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