面对明目张胆作假的老板，该怎么办？# Biology - 生物学
x*2
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别等更大的西红柿出现再买哈，他们通常都是最后一刻才亮出来的。
花版一年就一次！凭你的感觉押宝吧。我并不希望大家买很多，全当小赌怡情一把。胜
负不要看的重，重要的是你支持了本届活动。
谢谢大家！！
花版一年就一次！凭你的感觉押宝吧。我并不希望大家买很多，全当小赌怡情一把。胜
负不要看的重，重要的是你支持了本届活动。
谢谢大家！！
F*I
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生存？ 还是死亡？ 这是个问题！
莎士比亚早就替你回答了。
每个人在这个世界上忙忙碌碌，就是为了生存。
每个人都有难处。
你有你的难处。
你老板有你老板的难处。
你的难处，你自己想办法解决。
你老板的难处，他自己在努力解决，包括有些个方法你可能不认同，不赞成。
什么事情，都没有比生存更见急迫的。
你如果举报，就是杀人。
不但杀了你的老板，还杀了你老板的家人。
同时，还杀了你的同事们！
同时，很大可能，你也自杀了。
想一想，邓小平同志造假，是邓小平理论。
江泽民同志造假，是三个代表。
胡景涛同志造假，是科学发展观。
现在习近平同志造假，被吹嘘为习近平同志伟大的治国理念！
他们都说是为社会主义奋斗！
哈哈哈，都是他妈的放狗屁！
你老板可怜人一个，还给你发工资！
你好好想一想。
莎士比亚早就替你回答了。
每个人在这个世界上忙忙碌碌，就是为了生存。
每个人都有难处。
你有你的难处。
你老板有你老板的难处。
你的难处，你自己想办法解决。
你老板的难处，他自己在努力解决，包括有些个方法你可能不认同，不赞成。
什么事情，都没有比生存更见急迫的。
你如果举报，就是杀人。
不但杀了你的老板，还杀了你老板的家人。
同时，还杀了你的同事们！
同时，很大可能，你也自杀了。
想一想，邓小平同志造假，是邓小平理论。
江泽民同志造假，是三个代表。
胡景涛同志造假，是科学发展观。
现在习近平同志造假，被吹嘘为习近平同志伟大的治国理念！
他们都说是为社会主义奋斗！
哈哈哈，都是他妈的放狗屁！
你老板可怜人一个，还给你发工资！
你好好想一想。
x*2
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UP!
a*n
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要不要脸？要不要脸？要不要脸？
T*m
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压了，压了！
【在 x******2 的大作中提到】
: 别等更大的西红柿出现再买哈，他们通常都是最后一刻才亮出来的。
: 花版一年就一次！凭你的感觉押宝吧。我并不希望大家买很多，全当小赌怡情一把。胜
: 负不要看的重，重要的是你支持了本届活动。
: 谢谢大家！！
【在 x******2 的大作中提到】
: 别等更大的西红柿出现再买哈，他们通常都是最后一刻才亮出来的。
: 花版一年就一次！凭你的感觉押宝吧。我并不希望大家买很多，全当小赌怡情一把。胜
: 负不要看的重，重要的是你支持了本届活动。
: 谢谢大家！！
F*I
6 楼
当然要脸了！
要脸是必须的。
所以，为了要脸，我们必须得先要命。
没有命，肯定没有脸了。
【在 a*********n 的大作中提到】
: 要不要脸？要不要脸？要不要脸？
要脸是必须的。
所以，为了要脸，我们必须得先要命。
没有命，肯定没有脸了。
【在 a*********n 的大作中提到】
: 要不要脸？要不要脸？要不要脸？
x*2
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对不起啊，我都忘记，前2天就该封盘的。
还有几个小时，大家赶紧哈。
还有几个小时，大家赶紧哈。
c*2
8 楼
现在有人不作假么 呵呵
: 当然要脸了！
: 要脸是必须的。
: 所以，为了要脸，我们必须得先要命。
: 没有命，肯定没有脸了。
【在 F*******I 的大作中提到】
: 当然要脸了！
: 要脸是必须的。
: 所以，为了要脸，我们必须得先要命。
: 没有命，肯定没有脸了。
: 当然要脸了！
: 要脸是必须的。
: 所以，为了要脸，我们必须得先要命。
: 没有命，肯定没有脸了。
【在 F*******I 的大作中提到】
: 当然要脸了！
: 要脸是必须的。
: 所以，为了要脸，我们必须得先要命。
: 没有命，肯定没有脸了。
x*2
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再顶一下
l*6
10 楼
做假都做得这么理直气壮的，呵呵。
【在 c*********2 的大作中提到】
: 现在有人不作假么 呵呵
:
:
: 当然要脸了！
:
: 要脸是必须的。
:
: 所以，为了要脸，我们必须得先要命。
:
: 没有命，肯定没有脸了。
:
【在 c*********2 的大作中提到】
: 现在有人不作假么 呵呵
:
:
: 当然要脸了！
:
: 要脸是必须的。
:
: 所以，为了要脸，我们必须得先要命。
:
: 没有命，肯定没有脸了。
:
x*2
11 楼
彩票封盘。
F*I
12 楼
与你共享一个真理：
“做假都做得这么理直气壮的，呵呵。”
以你这种口气说话的，不但造假，而且是造假高手，甚至都不认为造假是造假。
像我这样替造假的人找理由的，特别同情所谓“造假”者，却从来都不造假。
【在 l********6 的大作中提到】
: 做假都做得这么理直气壮的，呵呵。
“做假都做得这么理直气壮的，呵呵。”
以你这种口气说话的，不但造假，而且是造假高手，甚至都不认为造假是造假。
像我这样替造假的人找理由的，特别同情所谓“造假”者，却从来都不造假。
【在 l********6 的大作中提到】
: 做假都做得这么理直气壮的，呵呵。
h*c
13 楼
无所谓，本来给科研经费的时候也没指望能做出什么来
C*n
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你的说法我不赞同。现在在这个领域造假也不是啥罕见的事儿，但是造假造的很大很拙
劣让人一眼就看出来那就少见了。人家都说了他老板造假造的又大又拙劣，一眼就看出
来，可能很快就事发，整个实验室就被一锅端。还说什么杀不杀人的？他老板这样弄不
仅是自杀也是把实验室里的人放火山上烤。被揭发之前闪人他实验室的同事和学生还可
以吃科研这碗饭，如果跟着这个老板被一锅端才是自己砸自己的饭碗，才是自杀！我还
是坚持我的看法：赶快彻底切割闪人，和老板没有恩怨不要举报，让他自己解决自己的
问题。
【在 F*******I 的大作中提到】
: 生存？ 还是死亡？ 这是个问题！
: 莎士比亚早就替你回答了。
: 每个人在这个世界上忙忙碌碌，就是为了生存。
: 每个人都有难处。
: 你有你的难处。
: 你老板有你老板的难处。
: 你的难处，你自己想办法解决。
: 你老板的难处，他自己在努力解决，包括有些个方法你可能不认同，不赞成。
: 什么事情，都没有比生存更见急迫的。
: 你如果举报，就是杀人。
劣让人一眼就看出来那就少见了。人家都说了他老板造假造的又大又拙劣，一眼就看出
来，可能很快就事发，整个实验室就被一锅端。还说什么杀不杀人的？他老板这样弄不
仅是自杀也是把实验室里的人放火山上烤。被揭发之前闪人他实验室的同事和学生还可
以吃科研这碗饭，如果跟着这个老板被一锅端才是自己砸自己的饭碗，才是自杀！我还
是坚持我的看法：赶快彻底切割闪人，和老板没有恩怨不要举报，让他自己解决自己的
问题。
【在 F*******I 的大作中提到】
: 生存？ 还是死亡？ 这是个问题！
: 莎士比亚早就替你回答了。
: 每个人在这个世界上忙忙碌碌，就是为了生存。
: 每个人都有难处。
: 你有你的难处。
: 你老板有你老板的难处。
: 你的难处，你自己想办法解决。
: 你老板的难处，他自己在努力解决，包括有些个方法你可能不认同，不赞成。
: 什么事情，都没有比生存更见急迫的。
: 你如果举报，就是杀人。
l*6
15 楼
谁在说你造假，此地无银三百两。同时，告诉你一个真理，造没造假不是自己说了算。
是你做的东西说了算。有基本integrity的人是根本不会认同造假的，更别说所谓的“
同情”了。
【在 F*******I 的大作中提到】
: 与你共享一个真理：
: “做假都做得这么理直气壮的，呵呵。”
: 以你这种口气说话的，不但造假，而且是造假高手，甚至都不认为造假是造假。
: 像我这样替造假的人找理由的，特别同情所谓“造假”者，却从来都不造假。
是你做的东西说了算。有基本integrity的人是根本不会认同造假的，更别说所谓的“
同情”了。
【在 F*******I 的大作中提到】
: 与你共享一个真理：
: “做假都做得这么理直气壮的，呵呵。”
: 以你这种口气说话的，不但造假，而且是造假高手，甚至都不认为造假是造假。
: 像我这样替造假的人找理由的，特别同情所谓“造假”者，却从来都不造假。
l*6
16 楼
如果被实验室内部的人，这么轻而易举地就发现造假，可以肯定，绝对不止被一个人发
现。举报应该不至于，确实应该以各种理由划清界限。有可能的话，转实验室。
都是听说过，有PI对手下的人说，这个实验应该是这个结果，你怎么做不出来。逼人造
假，事发的话，最后PI还可以金蝉脱壳，亲自动手造假的PI，还真少见。
【在 C*********n 的大作中提到】
: 你的说法我不赞同。现在在这个领域造假也不是啥罕见的事儿，但是造假造的很大很拙
: 劣让人一眼就看出来那就少见了。人家都说了他老板造假造的又大又拙劣，一眼就看出
: 来，可能很快就事发，整个实验室就被一锅端。还说什么杀不杀人的？他老板这样弄不
: 仅是自杀也是把实验室里的人放火山上烤。被揭发之前闪人他实验室的同事和学生还可
: 以吃科研这碗饭，如果跟着这个老板被一锅端才是自己砸自己的饭碗，才是自杀！我还
: 是坚持我的看法：赶快彻底切割闪人，和老板没有恩怨不要举报，让他自己解决自己的
: 问题。
现。举报应该不至于，确实应该以各种理由划清界限。有可能的话，转实验室。
都是听说过，有PI对手下的人说，这个实验应该是这个结果，你怎么做不出来。逼人造
假，事发的话，最后PI还可以金蝉脱壳，亲自动手造假的PI，还真少见。
【在 C*********n 的大作中提到】
: 你的说法我不赞同。现在在这个领域造假也不是啥罕见的事儿，但是造假造的很大很拙
: 劣让人一眼就看出来那就少见了。人家都说了他老板造假造的又大又拙劣，一眼就看出
: 来，可能很快就事发，整个实验室就被一锅端。还说什么杀不杀人的？他老板这样弄不
: 仅是自杀也是把实验室里的人放火山上烤。被揭发之前闪人他实验室的同事和学生还可
: 以吃科研这碗饭，如果跟着这个老板被一锅端才是自己砸自己的饭碗，才是自杀！我还
: 是坚持我的看法：赶快彻底切割闪人，和老板没有恩怨不要举报，让他自己解决自己的
: 问题。
F*I
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如果你有时间，请你读一读下面的文章，你就知道你是怎么样的一个人了！
我把最重要的两段摘在前面供你参考.
这两段里面最重要的一句话，我再摘出来放在最前面：
“Don’t forget that the liar lacks empathy: As hard as it is to believe, it
is true.”
empathy[`emp[Wi]
移情：对他人思想、感情和行为(甚至那些悲痛和纷乱的感情和行为)的理智性和感情上
的认识和理解。移情(empathy)强调理解而同情(sympathy)强调分担他人的感情和体验。
翻译： 一个说谎者（这里指病态的）缺乏同情心。虽然难以置信，但这是一个事实。
Don’t forget that the liar lacks empathy: As hard as it is to believe, it
is true. The liar does not have any moral consciousness of how the lying
behavior may make you feel. The liar does not think before he lies: “oh, I
better not say that or I could hurt that person or mislead them.” The liar
does not care anything about your feelings and never will. A question many
parents of my former clients have asked their child who lies is: “Why don’
t you just tell me the truth? Why is that so hard!?” As difficult as it is
to believe, it is not that easy for the liar to divulge the truth. The liar
lacks the ability to consider what you might feel in response to their lie (
which is empathy).
Normal people feel guilty and are relieved when you change the topic or
stop asking questions: This was an interesting point that I learned about as
I studied forensic psychology as a graduate student some years ago. While
working with juvenile delinquents, I found that the pathological liar shows
no emotion when lying which makes them believable. A person who is lying and
has normal levels of empathy and concern for others, will often show relief
when the topic being discussed is changed. For example, if someone told you
that they grew up in a concentration camp and experienced a lot of trauma
as a result, you would ask questions about it to further understand. If you
changed the topic at the point when you observed stress or anxiety in
response to your questions, you would see the person relax because they are
aware of the consequences of their lying. Most of us will relax when others
cease from asking too many questions about a topic we are lying about. A
pathological liar is not fazed. You will rarely if ever see emotion.
6 Subtle Characteristics of The Pathological Liar
By Támara Hill, MS, LPC
~ 6 min read
liar
Brian Lary
Have you ever communicated with a person who seemed to live in a fantasy
world where everything said felt false or exaggerated? Have you ever had an
experience with a person who always seems mysterious and nothing they say
ever comes to fusion? Well…if so, you might have been dealing with a
sociopath, narcissist, or even a pathological liar. This article will
discuss 6 important characteristics we should all be aware of with the
pathological liar.
Pathological lying (PL) has been defined by the Psychiatric Times as a “
long history (maybe lifelong history) of frequent and repeated lying for
which no apparent psychological motive or external benefit can be discerned.
” There is no real consensus on what pathological lying is and many people
have developed their own definition. Pathological lying is something that
has negatively affected many people, even professionals, who are often
unaware of the psychiatric instability or personality disorder of the liar.
For example, in one of my previous articles I focused on Judge Patrick
Couwenberg, a Superior Court Judge of California, who lied repeatedly while
serving the public. The former Judge maintained the lie that he was a
Caltech graduate, a wounded war veteran, and a CIA operative in the 1960s.
All of these statements were easily identified by his peers as unreliable
and inconsistent, but Couwenberg continued to attempt to evade others. He
was later removed for “willful and prejudicial misconduct” for lying about
attending Caltech. This education was critical to his Judicial position.
The sad part about this story is not so much that the former Judge lost his
job in the end, but that he lacked insight into the fact that his steps
could be traced and that many people would ultimately find him out. An
appropriate level of consciousness was missing from Couwenberg and is
missing in so many other people who are compulsive liars. The very fact that
a lie could be found out does not affect the pathological liar. They have
an inability to consider the consequences or even fear being found out. It’
s as if the pathological liar believes they are smarter than everyone and
will never be found out. The very fact that the pathological liars’ work-
life, home-life, or reputation could be in jeopardy as a result of the lies,
does not phase the liar. Guilt, shame, or regret does not affect the liar.
Consequences also do not seem to affect the liar. So then why does the liar
engage in such behaviors?
Multiple research studies have attempted to find an answer to this question
to no avail. Trying to understand the mind, behaviors, and intention of the
pathological liar is not an exact science. It is very much an inexact
science and entails years of study. Humans are complex and trying to
understand the reasons for why they do all the things they do takes more
than a graduate school degree in psychology and years of work experience.
For many mental health professionals and psychiatrists, trying to understand
the pathological liar (or sociopath and narcissist who engages in this
behavior) will entail a combination of intuition and science. Science alone
cannot answer the many questions we have about pathological liars, but
experience can offer some clues. We now know that pathological lying is
spontaneous and unplanned. Impulsivity is often the culprit. We also know
that pathological lying is more likely to occur in certain disorders or
among individuals who have certain personality traits. Some diagnoses that
might include pathological lying includes but is not limited to:
Personality Disorders:
Antisocial Personality Disorder (better known as sociopathy)
Borderline Personality Disorder
Narcissism or narcissistic personality disorder
Behavioral disorders:
Conduct disorder (often diagnosed in children and teens who have
criminal-like behaviors or who demonstrate sociopathic traits such as animal
cruelty, fire setting, and oppositional behaviors toward authority)
Oppositional Defiant Disorder (ODD) and CD (conduct disorder)
Attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD) often combined with
ODD or CD
Certain personality traits where pathological lying may occur include:
Narcissism or self-centered behaviors and thought patterns
Selfishness
Abusive attitude
Obsessive, controlling, and compulsive behaviors
Impulsivity
Aggressiveness
Jealous behavior
Manipulative behaviors
Deceptiveness
Socially awkward, uncomfortable, or isolated
Low self-esteem
Tempermentalness
Anger
It is important to keep in mind that there are pathological liars who quite
frankly just cannot help telling so many lies. It is almost like an
automatic thing for the liar. Their world is much different from our world.
But there are also liars who are gratified by telling lies, are good at it,
and do not regret anything they have ever said. These individuals are “
skillful” liars who attempt to evade and harm everyone they come across in
their lives. In fact, these liars would meet diagnostic criteria for
antisocial personality disorder (or sociopathy). They also tell truths in
ways that give incorrect perspectives. In other words, they tell the truth
in a misleading way to cause people to view things in an incorrect fashion.
Such individuals enjoy and get much gratification from keeping you confused
and believing their stories. It is the experience of watching a “victim”
run through the maze of confusion that gives gratification to most liars.
Based on my clinical experience and general research of the profession, I
encourage you to keep 6 things in mind as you deal with the pathological
liar:
Know that a pathological liar will study you: The goal of the liar may
be hidden, but you can count on the fact that the they don’t want you to
know the truth. In order to evade someone, you certainly need to study the
person and examine what that person might or might not believe. Liars, often
sociopaths, are known to “study” the person they hope to take advantage
of. In other words, they look for weaknesses.
Don’t forget that the liar lacks empathy: As hard as it is to believe,
it is true. The liar does not have any moral consciousness of how the lying
behavior may make you feel. The liar does not think before he lies: “oh, I
better not say that or I could hurt that person or mislead them.” The liar
does not care anything about your feelings and never will. A question many
parents of my former clients have asked their child who lies is: “Why don’
t you just tell me the truth? Why is that so hard!?” As difficult as it is
to believe, it is not that easy for the liar to divulge the truth. The liar
lacks the ability to consider what you might feel in response to their lie (
which is empathy).
Normal people feel guilty and are relieved when you change the topic or
stop asking questions: This was an interesting point that I learned about as
I studied forensic psychology as a graduate student some years ago. While
working with juvenile delinquents, I found that the pathological liar shows
no emotion when lying which makes them believable. A person who is lying and
has normal levels of empathy and concern for others, will often show relief
when the topic being discussed is changed. For example, if someone told you
that they grew up in a concentration camp and experienced a lot of trauma
as a result, you would ask questions about it to further understand. If you
changed the topic at the point when you observed stress or anxiety in
response to your questions, you would see the person relax because they are
aware of the consequences of their lying. Most of us will relax when others
cease from asking too many questions about a topic we are lying about. A
pathological liar is not fazed. You will rarely if ever see emotion.
All liars do not do the common things you think liars do: Believe it or
not, liars do not always touch their nose, shift in their seats or from one
foot to the next, or even look sneaky when lying. Some really experienced
liars are good at giving you direct eye contact, seeming relaxed or “laid
back,” and may appear very sociable. The thing to look for is eye contact
that feels piercing. Some sociopaths have learned how to evade people with
direct eye contact, sociable smiles, and humor. Trust your instincts and
discernment. What do their eyes tell you? What does their behavior or
laughter tell you?
The most sneaky liars are manipulative: I once heard someone say “we
all manipulate.” While this might be true to a certain degree, the liar
tends to manipulate more than anyone else and has learned how to become a “
pro” at doing it. There is nothing impressive about the dangerous or evil
manipulator. They know everything to say and do, they know what you want and
don’t want, and again, they will “study” you. In fact, many pathological
liars (and sociopaths) use sexual or emotional arousal to distract you from
the truth. Proceed with caution when dealing with someone who seems to be
directing their attention to you in such a way as to stimulate your arousal
to distract you. That arousal could be psychological (peaking your interest)
, emotional (causing you to feel connected to them), or sexual.
Pathological liars exhibit strange behaviors: Can you remember how you
felt, perhaps as a child or teen, after you were caught lying to a teacher,
a parent, or friend? Did you feel guilty, sad, or afraid that the other
person would no longer accept you? Some research suggests that pathological
liars show no discomfort when caught lying, while other studies suggest that
liars may become aggressive and angry when caught. The bottom line is that
no pathological liar is the same.
As you can see, trying to understand the liar is as difficult as trying to
understand how the world began. It’s something that requires a lot of study
, patience, intuition or discernment, and wisdom. Research continues in
trying to understand the mind and behavior of the pathological liar.
Psychiatrists and mental health professionals continue to research the liar
in order to understand why they do what they do and how we can protect their
victims.
【在 l********6 的大作中提到】
: 如果被实验室内部的人，这么轻而易举地就发现造假，可以肯定，绝对不止被一个人发
: 现。举报应该不至于，确实应该以各种理由划清界限。有可能的话，转实验室。
: 都是听说过，有PI对手下的人说，这个实验应该是这个结果，你怎么做不出来。逼人造
: 假，事发的话，最后PI还可以金蝉脱壳，亲自动手造假的PI，还真少见。
我把最重要的两段摘在前面供你参考.
这两段里面最重要的一句话，我再摘出来放在最前面：
“Don’t forget that the liar lacks empathy: As hard as it is to believe, it
is true.”
empathy[`emp[Wi]
移情：对他人思想、感情和行为(甚至那些悲痛和纷乱的感情和行为)的理智性和感情上
的认识和理解。移情(empathy)强调理解而同情(sympathy)强调分担他人的感情和体验。
翻译： 一个说谎者（这里指病态的）缺乏同情心。虽然难以置信，但这是一个事实。
Don’t forget that the liar lacks empathy: As hard as it is to believe, it
is true. The liar does not have any moral consciousness of how the lying
behavior may make you feel. The liar does not think before he lies: “oh, I
better not say that or I could hurt that person or mislead them.” The liar
does not care anything about your feelings and never will. A question many
parents of my former clients have asked their child who lies is: “Why don’
t you just tell me the truth? Why is that so hard!?” As difficult as it is
to believe, it is not that easy for the liar to divulge the truth. The liar
lacks the ability to consider what you might feel in response to their lie (
which is empathy).
Normal people feel guilty and are relieved when you change the topic or
stop asking questions: This was an interesting point that I learned about as
I studied forensic psychology as a graduate student some years ago. While
working with juvenile delinquents, I found that the pathological liar shows
no emotion when lying which makes them believable. A person who is lying and
has normal levels of empathy and concern for others, will often show relief
when the topic being discussed is changed. For example, if someone told you
that they grew up in a concentration camp and experienced a lot of trauma
as a result, you would ask questions about it to further understand. If you
changed the topic at the point when you observed stress or anxiety in
response to your questions, you would see the person relax because they are
aware of the consequences of their lying. Most of us will relax when others
cease from asking too many questions about a topic we are lying about. A
pathological liar is not fazed. You will rarely if ever see emotion.
6 Subtle Characteristics of The Pathological Liar
By Támara Hill, MS, LPC
~ 6 min read
liar
Brian Lary
Have you ever communicated with a person who seemed to live in a fantasy
world where everything said felt false or exaggerated? Have you ever had an
experience with a person who always seems mysterious and nothing they say
ever comes to fusion? Well…if so, you might have been dealing with a
sociopath, narcissist, or even a pathological liar. This article will
discuss 6 important characteristics we should all be aware of with the
pathological liar.
Pathological lying (PL) has been defined by the Psychiatric Times as a “
long history (maybe lifelong history) of frequent and repeated lying for
which no apparent psychological motive or external benefit can be discerned.
” There is no real consensus on what pathological lying is and many people
have developed their own definition. Pathological lying is something that
has negatively affected many people, even professionals, who are often
unaware of the psychiatric instability or personality disorder of the liar.
For example, in one of my previous articles I focused on Judge Patrick
Couwenberg, a Superior Court Judge of California, who lied repeatedly while
serving the public. The former Judge maintained the lie that he was a
Caltech graduate, a wounded war veteran, and a CIA operative in the 1960s.
All of these statements were easily identified by his peers as unreliable
and inconsistent, but Couwenberg continued to attempt to evade others. He
was later removed for “willful and prejudicial misconduct” for lying about
attending Caltech. This education was critical to his Judicial position.
The sad part about this story is not so much that the former Judge lost his
job in the end, but that he lacked insight into the fact that his steps
could be traced and that many people would ultimately find him out. An
appropriate level of consciousness was missing from Couwenberg and is
missing in so many other people who are compulsive liars. The very fact that
a lie could be found out does not affect the pathological liar. They have
an inability to consider the consequences or even fear being found out. It’
s as if the pathological liar believes they are smarter than everyone and
will never be found out. The very fact that the pathological liars’ work-
life, home-life, or reputation could be in jeopardy as a result of the lies,
does not phase the liar. Guilt, shame, or regret does not affect the liar.
Consequences also do not seem to affect the liar. So then why does the liar
engage in such behaviors?
Multiple research studies have attempted to find an answer to this question
to no avail. Trying to understand the mind, behaviors, and intention of the
pathological liar is not an exact science. It is very much an inexact
science and entails years of study. Humans are complex and trying to
understand the reasons for why they do all the things they do takes more
than a graduate school degree in psychology and years of work experience.
For many mental health professionals and psychiatrists, trying to understand
the pathological liar (or sociopath and narcissist who engages in this
behavior) will entail a combination of intuition and science. Science alone
cannot answer the many questions we have about pathological liars, but
experience can offer some clues. We now know that pathological lying is
spontaneous and unplanned. Impulsivity is often the culprit. We also know
that pathological lying is more likely to occur in certain disorders or
among individuals who have certain personality traits. Some diagnoses that
might include pathological lying includes but is not limited to:
Personality Disorders:
Antisocial Personality Disorder (better known as sociopathy)
Borderline Personality Disorder
Narcissism or narcissistic personality disorder
Behavioral disorders:
Conduct disorder (often diagnosed in children and teens who have
criminal-like behaviors or who demonstrate sociopathic traits such as animal
cruelty, fire setting, and oppositional behaviors toward authority)
Oppositional Defiant Disorder (ODD) and CD (conduct disorder)
Attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD) often combined with
ODD or CD
Certain personality traits where pathological lying may occur include:
Narcissism or self-centered behaviors and thought patterns
Selfishness
Abusive attitude
Obsessive, controlling, and compulsive behaviors
Impulsivity
Aggressiveness
Jealous behavior
Manipulative behaviors
Deceptiveness
Socially awkward, uncomfortable, or isolated
Low self-esteem
Tempermentalness
Anger
It is important to keep in mind that there are pathological liars who quite
frankly just cannot help telling so many lies. It is almost like an
automatic thing for the liar. Their world is much different from our world.
But there are also liars who are gratified by telling lies, are good at it,
and do not regret anything they have ever said. These individuals are “
skillful” liars who attempt to evade and harm everyone they come across in
their lives. In fact, these liars would meet diagnostic criteria for
antisocial personality disorder (or sociopathy). They also tell truths in
ways that give incorrect perspectives. In other words, they tell the truth
in a misleading way to cause people to view things in an incorrect fashion.
Such individuals enjoy and get much gratification from keeping you confused
and believing their stories. It is the experience of watching a “victim”
run through the maze of confusion that gives gratification to most liars.
Based on my clinical experience and general research of the profession, I
encourage you to keep 6 things in mind as you deal with the pathological
liar:
Know that a pathological liar will study you: The goal of the liar may
be hidden, but you can count on the fact that the they don’t want you to
know the truth. In order to evade someone, you certainly need to study the
person and examine what that person might or might not believe. Liars, often
sociopaths, are known to “study” the person they hope to take advantage
of. In other words, they look for weaknesses.
Don’t forget that the liar lacks empathy: As hard as it is to believe,
it is true. The liar does not have any moral consciousness of how the lying
behavior may make you feel. The liar does not think before he lies: “oh, I
better not say that or I could hurt that person or mislead them.” The liar
does not care anything about your feelings and never will. A question many
parents of my former clients have asked their child who lies is: “Why don’
t you just tell me the truth? Why is that so hard!?” As difficult as it is
to believe, it is not that easy for the liar to divulge the truth. The liar
lacks the ability to consider what you might feel in response to their lie (
which is empathy).
Normal people feel guilty and are relieved when you change the topic or
stop asking questions: This was an interesting point that I learned about as
I studied forensic psychology as a graduate student some years ago. While
working with juvenile delinquents, I found that the pathological liar shows
no emotion when lying which makes them believable. A person who is lying and
has normal levels of empathy and concern for others, will often show relief
when the topic being discussed is changed. For example, if someone told you
that they grew up in a concentration camp and experienced a lot of trauma
as a result, you would ask questions about it to further understand. If you
changed the topic at the point when you observed stress or anxiety in
response to your questions, you would see the person relax because they are
aware of the consequences of their lying. Most of us will relax when others
cease from asking too many questions about a topic we are lying about. A
pathological liar is not fazed. You will rarely if ever see emotion.
All liars do not do the common things you think liars do: Believe it or
not, liars do not always touch their nose, shift in their seats or from one
foot to the next, or even look sneaky when lying. Some really experienced
liars are good at giving you direct eye contact, seeming relaxed or “laid
back,” and may appear very sociable. The thing to look for is eye contact
that feels piercing. Some sociopaths have learned how to evade people with
direct eye contact, sociable smiles, and humor. Trust your instincts and
discernment. What do their eyes tell you? What does their behavior or
laughter tell you?
The most sneaky liars are manipulative: I once heard someone say “we
all manipulate.” While this might be true to a certain degree, the liar
tends to manipulate more than anyone else and has learned how to become a “
pro” at doing it. There is nothing impressive about the dangerous or evil
manipulator. They know everything to say and do, they know what you want and
don’t want, and again, they will “study” you. In fact, many pathological
liars (and sociopaths) use sexual or emotional arousal to distract you from
the truth. Proceed with caution when dealing with someone who seems to be
directing their attention to you in such a way as to stimulate your arousal
to distract you. That arousal could be psychological (peaking your interest)
, emotional (causing you to feel connected to them), or sexual.
Pathological liars exhibit strange behaviors: Can you remember how you
felt, perhaps as a child or teen, after you were caught lying to a teacher,
a parent, or friend? Did you feel guilty, sad, or afraid that the other
person would no longer accept you? Some research suggests that pathological
liars show no discomfort when caught lying, while other studies suggest that
liars may become aggressive and angry when caught. The bottom line is that
no pathological liar is the same.
As you can see, trying to understand the liar is as difficult as trying to
understand how the world began. It’s something that requires a lot of study
, patience, intuition or discernment, and wisdom. Research continues in
trying to understand the mind and behavior of the pathological liar.
Psychiatrists and mental health professionals continue to research the liar
in order to understand why they do what they do and how we can protect their
victims.
【在 l********6 的大作中提到】
: 如果被实验室内部的人，这么轻而易举地就发现造假，可以肯定，绝对不止被一个人发
: 现。举报应该不至于，确实应该以各种理由划清界限。有可能的话，转实验室。
: 都是听说过，有PI对手下的人说，这个实验应该是这个结果，你怎么做不出来。逼人造
: 假，事发的话，最后PI还可以金蝉脱壳，亲自动手造假的PI，还真少见。
F*I
18 楼
如果你有时间，请你读一读下面的文章，你就知道你是怎么样的一个人了！
我把最重要的两段摘在前面供你参考.
这两段里面最重要的一句话，我再摘出来放在最前面：
“Don’t forget that the liar lacks empathy: As hard as it is to believe, it
is true.”
empathy[`emp[Wi]
移情：对他人思想、感情和行为(甚至那些悲痛和纷乱的感情和行为)的理智性和感情上
的认识和理解。移情(empathy)强调理解而同情(sympathy)强调分担他人的感情和体验。
翻译： 一个说谎者缺乏同情心。虽然难以置信，但这是一个事实。
Don’t forget that the liar lacks empathy: As hard as it is to believe, it
is true. The liar does not have any moral consciousness of how the lying
behavior may make you feel. The liar does not think before he lies: “oh, I
better not say that or I could hurt that person or mislead them.” The liar
does not care anything about your feelings and never will. A question many
parents of my former clients have asked their child who lies is: “Why don’
t you just tell me the truth? Why is that so hard!?” As difficult as it is
to believe, it is not that easy for the liar to divulge the truth. The liar
lacks the ability to consider what you might feel in response to their lie (
which is empathy).
Normal people feel guilty and are relieved when you change the topic or
stop asking questions: This was an interesting point that I learned about as
I studied forensic psychology as a graduate student some years ago. While
working with juvenile delinquents, I found that the pathological liar shows
no emotion when lying which makes them believable. A person who is lying and
has normal levels of empathy and concern for others, will often show relief
when the topic being discussed is changed. For example, if someone told you
that they grew up in a concentration camp and experienced a lot of trauma
as a result, you would ask questions about it to further understand. If you
changed the topic at the point when you observed stress or anxiety in
response to your questions, you would see the person relax because they are
aware of the consequences of their lying. Most of us will relax when others
cease from asking too many questions about a topic we are lying about. A
pathological liar is not fazed. You will rarely if ever see emotion.
6 Subtle Characteristics of The Pathological Liar
By Támara Hill, MS, LPC
~ 6 min read
liar
Brian Lary
Have you ever communicated with a person who seemed to live in a fantasy
world where everything said felt false or exaggerated? Have you ever had an
experience with a person who always seems mysterious and nothing they say
ever comes to fusion? Well…if so, you might have been dealing with a
sociopath, narcissist, or even a pathological liar. This article will
discuss 6 important characteristics we should all be aware of with the
pathological liar.
Pathological lying (PL) has been defined by the Psychiatric Times as a “
long history (maybe lifelong history) of frequent and repeated lying for
which no apparent psychological motive or external benefit can be discerned.
” There is no real consensus on what pathological lying is and many people
have developed their own definition. Pathological lying is something that
has negatively affected many people, even professionals, who are often
unaware of the psychiatric instability or personality disorder of the liar.
For example, in one of my previous articles I focused on Judge Patrick
Couwenberg, a Superior Court Judge of California, who lied repeatedly while
serving the public. The former Judge maintained the lie that he was a
Caltech graduate, a wounded war veteran, and a CIA operative in the 1960s.
All of these statements were easily identified by his peers as unreliable
and inconsistent, but Couwenberg continued to attempt to evade others. He
was later removed for “willful and prejudicial misconduct” for lying about
attending Caltech. This education was critical to his Judicial position.
The sad part about this story is not so much that the former Judge lost his
job in the end, but that he lacked insight into the fact that his steps
could be traced and that many people would ultimately find him out. An
appropriate level of consciousness was missing from Couwenberg and is
missing in so many other people who are compulsive liars. The very fact that
a lie could be found out does not affect the pathological liar. They have
an inability to consider the consequences or even fear being found out. It’
s as if the pathological liar believes they are smarter than everyone and
will never be found out. The very fact that the pathological liars’ work-
life, home-life, or reputation could be in jeopardy as a result of the lies,
does not phase the liar. Guilt, shame, or regret does not affect the liar.
Consequences also do not seem to affect the liar. So then why does the liar
engage in such behaviors?
Multiple research studies have attempted to find an answer to this question
to no avail. Trying to understand the mind, behaviors, and intention of the
pathological liar is not an exact science. It is very much an inexact
science and entails years of study. Humans are complex and trying to
understand the reasons for why they do all the things they do takes more
than a graduate school degree in psychology and years of work experience.
For many mental health professionals and psychiatrists, trying to understand
the pathological liar (or sociopath and narcissist who engages in this
behavior) will entail a combination of intuition and science. Science alone
cannot answer the many questions we have about pathological liars, but
experience can offer some clues. We now know that pathological lying is
spontaneous and unplanned. Impulsivity is often the culprit. We also know
that pathological lying is more likely to occur in certain disorders or
among individuals who have certain personality traits. Some diagnoses that
might include pathological lying includes but is not limited to:
Personality Disorders:
Antisocial Personality Disorder (better known as sociopathy)
Borderline Personality Disorder
Narcissism or narcissistic personality disorder
Behavioral disorders:
Conduct disorder (often diagnosed in children and teens who have
criminal-like behaviors or who demonstrate sociopathic traits such as animal
cruelty, fire setting, and oppositional behaviors toward authority)
Oppositional Defiant Disorder (ODD) and CD (conduct disorder)
Attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD) often combined with
ODD or CD
Certain personality traits where pathological lying may occur include:
Narcissism or self-centered behaviors and thought patterns
Selfishness
Abusive attitude
Obsessive, controlling, and compulsive behaviors
Impulsivity
Aggressiveness
Jealous behavior
Manipulative behaviors
Deceptiveness
Socially awkward, uncomfortable, or isolated
Low self-esteem
Tempermentalness
Anger
【在 l********6 的大作中提到】
: 谁在说你造假，此地无银三百两。同时，告诉你一个真理，造没造假不是自己说了算。
: 是你做的东西说了算。有基本integrity的人是根本不会认同造假的，更别说所谓的“
: 同情”了。
l*6
19 楼
这段文字就可以justify你的观点了么？尽信书，不如无书。我可以用书呆子来形容你
么？
it
验。
it
【在 F*******I 的大作中提到】
: 如果你有时间，请你读一读下面的文章，你就知道你是怎么样的一个人了！
: 我把最重要的两段摘在前面供你参考.
: 这两段里面最重要的一句话，我再摘出来放在最前面：
: “Don’t forget that the liar lacks empathy: As hard as it is to believe, it
: is true.”
: empathy[`emp[Wi]
: 移情：对他人思想、感情和行为(甚至那些悲痛和纷乱的感情和行为)的理智性和感情上
: 的认识和理解。移情(empathy)强调理解而同情(sympathy)强调分担他人的感情和体验。
: 翻译： 一个说谎者（这里指病态的）缺乏同情心。虽然难以置信，但这是一个事实。
: Don’t forget that the liar lacks empathy: As hard as it is to believe, it
么？
it
验。
it
【在 F*******I 的大作中提到】
: 如果你有时间，请你读一读下面的文章，你就知道你是怎么样的一个人了！
: 我把最重要的两段摘在前面供你参考.
: 这两段里面最重要的一句话，我再摘出来放在最前面：
: “Don’t forget that the liar lacks empathy: As hard as it is to believe, it
: is true.”
: empathy[`emp[Wi]
: 移情：对他人思想、感情和行为(甚至那些悲痛和纷乱的感情和行为)的理智性和感情上
: 的认识和理解。移情(empathy)强调理解而同情(sympathy)强调分担他人的感情和体验。
: 翻译： 一个说谎者（这里指病态的）缺乏同情心。虽然难以置信，但这是一个事实。
: Don’t forget that the liar lacks empathy: As hard as it is to believe, it
F*I
20 楼
不管怎么样，这段文字特别地适合描述你。
无论如何，这段文字非常传神地描述了你。
【在 l********6 的大作中提到】
: 这段文字就可以justify你的观点了么？尽信书，不如无书。我可以用书呆子来形容你
: 么？
:
: it
: 验。
: it
无论如何，这段文字非常传神地描述了你。
【在 l********6 的大作中提到】
: 这段文字就可以justify你的观点了么？尽信书，不如无书。我可以用书呆子来形容你
: 么？
:
: it
: 验。
: it
l*6
21 楼
如我所说，那是你的想法，什么都不是，离事实远着呢。如此喜欢judge人的nerd，我
都不知道你怎么在美国活下来的。识人术值得你好好学，不过你活在你的书本里，远离
现实，period。顺便就你的一文不值的同情心，我高度怀疑你是造假惯犯。“猩猩”相
惜。
【在 F*******I 的大作中提到】
: 不管怎么样，这段文字特别地适合描述你。
: 无论如何，这段文字非常传神地描述了你。
都不知道你怎么在美国活下来的。识人术值得你好好学，不过你活在你的书本里，远离
现实，period。顺便就你的一文不值的同情心，我高度怀疑你是造假惯犯。“猩猩”相
惜。
【在 F*******I 的大作中提到】
: 不管怎么样，这段文字特别地适合描述你。
: 无论如何，这段文字非常传神地描述了你。
F*I
22 楼
前面是你的最新帖子。
我把你的所有对我的主帖的跟帖再重新贴一下，请你过目：
第一个跟帖：
发信人: lecroc2016 (lecroc), 信区: Biology
标 题: Re: 面对明目张胆作假的老板，该怎么办？
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu May 18 13:59:40 2017, 美东)
做假都做得这么理直气壮的，呵呵。
第二个跟帖：
发信人: lecroc2016 (lecroc), 信区: Biology
标 题: Re: 面对明目张胆作假的老板，该怎么办？
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu May 18 16:58:17 2017, 美东)
谁在说你造假，此地无银三百两。同时，告诉你一个真理，造没造假不是自己说了算。
是你做的东西说了算。有基本integrity的人是根本不会认同造假的，更别说所谓的“
同情”了。
第三个跟帖：
发信人: lecroc2016 (lecroc), 信区: Biology
标 题: Re: 面对明目张胆作假的老板，该怎么办？
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu May 18 17:06:00 2017, 美东)
如果被实验室内部的人，这么轻而易举地就发现造假，可以肯定，绝对不止被一个人发
现。举报应该不至于，确实应该以各种理由划清界限。有可能的话，转实验室。
都是听说过，有PI对手下的人说，这个实验应该是这个结果，你怎么做不出来。逼人造
假，事发的话，最后PI还可以金蝉脱壳，亲自动手造假的PI，还真少见。
第四个跟帖：
发信人: lecroc2016 (lecroc), 信区: Biology
标 题: Re: 面对明目张胆作假的老板，该怎么办？
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu May 18 17:19:52 2017, 美东)
这段文字就可以justify你的观点了么？尽信书，不如无书。我可以用书呆子来形容你
么？
第五个跟帖：
发信人: lecroc2016 (lecroc), 信区: Biology
标 题: Re: 面对明目张胆作假的老板，该怎么办？
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu May 18 17:37:13 2017, 美东)
如我所说，那是你的想法，什么都不是，离事实远着呢。如此喜欢judge人的nerd，我
都不知道你怎么在美国活下来的。识人术值得你好好学，不过你活在你的书本里，远离
现实，period。顺便就你的一文不值的同情心，我高度怀疑你是造假惯犯。“猩猩”相
惜。
你过目以后，有何想法？
我不需要做任何判断。
【在 l********6 的大作中提到】
: 如我所说，那是你的想法，什么都不是，离事实远着呢。如此喜欢judge人的nerd，我
: 都不知道你怎么在美国活下来的。识人术值得你好好学，不过你活在你的书本里，远离
: 现实，period。顺便就你的一文不值的同情心，我高度怀疑你是造假惯犯。“猩猩”相
: 惜。
l*6
23 楼
我这些帖子充分说明了一个事实，就是，你对造假者的心心相惜，和对持有integrity
的人的恶意judge，初步可以推断出你喜欢造假。 Period。不会再回你的无聊帖子了。
【在 F*******I 的大作中提到】
:
: 前面是你的最新帖子。
: 我把你的所有对我的主帖的跟帖再重新贴一下，请你过目：
: 第一个跟帖：
: 发信人: lecroc2016 (lecroc), 信区: Biology
: 标 题: Re: 面对明目张胆作假的老板，该怎么办？
: 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu May 18 13:59:40 2017, 美东)
: 做假都做得这么理直气壮的，呵呵。
: 第二个跟帖：
: 发信人: lecroc2016 (lecroc), 信区: Biology
的人的恶意judge，初步可以推断出你喜欢造假。 Period。不会再回你的无聊帖子了。
【在 F*******I 的大作中提到】
:
: 前面是你的最新帖子。
: 我把你的所有对我的主帖的跟帖再重新贴一下，请你过目：
: 第一个跟帖：
: 发信人: lecroc2016 (lecroc), 信区: Biology
: 标 题: Re: 面对明目张胆作假的老板，该怎么办？
: 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu May 18 13:59:40 2017, 美东)
: 做假都做得这么理直气壮的，呵呵。
: 第二个跟帖：
: 发信人: lecroc2016 (lecroc), 信区: Biology
F*I
24 楼
integrity
前面是你的最新帖子。
我把你的所有对我的主帖的跟帖再重新贴一下，请你过目：
第一个跟帖：
发信人: lecroc2016 (lecroc), 信区: Biology
标 题: Re: 面对明目张胆作假的老板，该怎么办？
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu May 18 13:59:40 2017, 美东)
做假都做得这么理直气壮的，呵呵。
第二个跟帖：
发信人: lecroc2016 (lecroc), 信区: Biology
标 题: Re: 面对明目张胆作假的老板，该怎么办？
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu May 18 16:58:17 2017, 美东)
谁在说你造假，此地无银三百两。同时，告诉你一个真理，造没造假不是自己说了算。
是你做的东西说了算。有基本integrity的人是根本不会认同造假的，更别说所谓的“
同情”了。
第三个跟帖：
发信人: lecroc2016 (lecroc), 信区: Biology
标 题: Re: 面对明目张胆作假的老板，该怎么办？
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu May 18 17:06:00 2017, 美东)
如果被实验室内部的人，这么轻而易举地就发现造假，可以肯定，绝对不止被一个人发
现。举报应该不至于，确实应该以各种理由划清界限。有可能的话，转实验室。
都是听说过，有PI对手下的人说，这个实验应该是这个结果，你怎么做不出来。逼人造
假，事发的话，最后PI还可以金蝉脱壳，亲自动手造假的PI，还真少见。
第四个跟帖：
发信人: lecroc2016 (lecroc), 信区: Biology
标 题: Re: 面对明目张胆作假的老板，该怎么办？
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu May 18 17:19:52 2017, 美东)
这段文字就可以justify你的观点了么？尽信书，不如无书。我可以用书呆子来形容你
么？
第五个跟帖：
发信人: lecroc2016 (lecroc), 信区: Biology
标 题: Re: 面对明目张胆作假的老板，该怎么办？
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu May 18 17:37:13 2017, 美东)
如我所说，那是你的想法，什么都不是，离事实远着呢。如此喜欢judge人的nerd，我
都不知道你怎么在美国活下来的。识人术值得你好好学，不过你活在你的书本里，远离
现实，period。顺便就你的一文不值的同情心，我高度怀疑你是造假惯犯。“猩猩”相
惜。
第六个跟帖：
发信人: lecroc2016 (lecroc), 信区: Biology
标 题: Re: 面对明目张胆作假的老板，该怎么办？
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu May 18 18:00:08 2017, 美东)
我这些帖子充分说明了一个事实，就是，你对造假者的心心相惜，和对持有integrity
的人的恶意judge，初步可以推断出你喜欢造假。 Period。不会再回你的无聊帖子了。
你过目以后，有何想法？
我不需要做任何判断。
【在 l********6 的大作中提到】
: 我这些帖子充分说明了一个事实，就是，你对造假者的心心相惜，和对持有integrity
: 的人的恶意judge，初步可以推断出你喜欢造假。 Period。不会再回你的无聊帖子了。
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