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关于建立新华人组织的两点建议

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it2013-11-11 08:11

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感觉华人组织还是散得太厉害了，攥不起一个有力的拳头。（我在LA发个帖问问当地华
人组织，半天都没回音。是不是因为当地没特别突出的组织？）
这个问题恐怕不能靠现有组织（如果他们有当领导的意愿，早该跳出来了）。而要成立
新组织就得趁热打铁。建议以下两点。
1. 这次各地游行的组织者应该开个网络或者电话会，讨论下一步，同时成立一个非正
式组织（以后再慢慢折腾正规化的事），在感恩节前公之于众。
2. 各地开始搜集此次活动参与者（不管以何形式，包括游行，捐款等等）的联系信息
，建立数据库。这些参与者已经展现了他们的热情，在将来的活动中就是基层骨干。
用来搜集信息的网页也已经做好了
http://www.asianrights.org/index.php/cn/zhuce
不过因为我是新丁一枚，没人会愿意理睬。要有领导愿意采用，振臂一呼，那就行了。
反正网页会一直放着，随时可用。

h*02013-11-11 08:11

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刚才我给onetiemyshoe也说了, 兄弟你们的思维还在一个依靠现有的华人组织,走形式
联合的思路上. 这是不现实的,也是没有前途的. 我的浅见.
其他你做的很多事情很有意义.

【在 it 的大作中提到】

: 感觉华人组织还是散得太厉害了，攥不起一个有力的拳头。（我在LA发个帖问问当地华
: 人组织，半天都没回音。是不是因为当地没特别突出的组织？）
: 这个问题恐怕不能靠现有组织（如果他们有当领导的意愿，早该跳出来了）。而要成立
: 新组织就得趁热打铁。建议以下两点。
: 1. 这次各地游行的组织者应该开个网络或者电话会，讨论下一步，同时成立一个非正
: 式组织（以后再慢慢折腾正规化的事），在感恩节前公之于众。
: 2. 各地开始搜集此次活动参与者（不管以何形式，包括游行，捐款等等）的联系信息
: ，建立数据库。这些参与者已经展现了他们的热情，在将来的活动中就是基层骨干。
: 用来搜集信息的网页也已经做好了
: http://www.asianrights.org/index.php/cn/zhuce

it2013-11-11 08:11

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做好了用来搜集信息的网页
http://www.asianrights.org/index.php/cn/zhuce

v*e2013-11-11 08:11

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我觉得关键是建立个501C的组织，这样华人捐款有地方去，还能有match。不少单位动
员员工捐款到united ways，如果你已经捐了华人民权组织他们也就不好意思再说服你
捐别的。

it2013-11-11 08:11

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趁着大家的热乎劲，先建立个非正式组织，可以维持大伙的热情。
501C组织最终是要成立的，但要走程序，那就得花时间。一等黄花菜就凉了。
如果先有了非正式组织，那就有了坚实的基础，程序走长点也没关系。关键因素是人，
而不是组织的名份。

【在 v*******e 的大作中提到】

: 我觉得关键是建立个501C的组织，这样华人捐款有地方去，还能有match。不少单位动
: 员员工捐款到united ways，如果你已经捐了华人民权组织他们也就不好意思再说服你
: 捐别的。

h*o2013-11-11 08:11

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“非正式”组织这个说法不好。还是要正式注册的组织，但是，501(c)(3)的组织会需
要较长时间批准，所以可以从其它类型的组织开始。
另外，以政治为目的组织，不可能成为501(c)(3)的组织。

【在 it 的大作中提到】

: 趁着大家的热乎劲，先建立个非正式组织，可以维持大伙的热情。
: 501C组织最终是要成立的，但要走程序，那就得花时间。一等黄花菜就凉了。
: 如果先有了非正式组织，那就有了坚实的基础，程序走长点也没关系。关键因素是人，
: 而不是组织的名份。

o*e2013-11-11 08:11

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我的感觉是：
组织有很多。 darwin evolution over 20+ years should tell us which ones are
specialized for what purpose. Some are good with economical dev, some good
at lobbying, some good at PR, some are good at education, some are good at
grassroots getting-out-the-votes in local areas, some are good at raising
money. It's like a zoo, the animal that found its niche survive, the animal
that fails to find its niche, goes under. We are seeing some of the
fitter animals around.
I don't see anyone who could start from scratch and build a national
grassroots organization doing all these important things without the help
from the existing organizations. So why wait for it? Let's
explore the Chinese-American nonprofits without posing as a competitor or
leader, just as a potential partner, and propose something mutually
beneficial and advance our common goals. Our offering could be a
passionate organized membership savvy with social media and technical
experts.
For example, every year 200k Chinese international students come to US to
study. Yet when they graduate, very few will stay because of lack of work,
lack of work visas and minimal slots of green cards. How could we get
laws passed to increase technical green cards?
This kind of challenge is different from the get-the-votes-out challenge,
and different from the PR challenges of selling China-US friendship. We
need partners and we need old hands' mentoring.
SF版的z00 传了这条新闻：
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-06-24/features/sns-mct
很多可以学习的地方。

it2013-11-11 08:11

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非正式只是一开始的形式，宣传的时候谁也不会说这个组织是非正式的。农民起义开始
不都是锄头镰刀，后来才成了正规军的？－－也许不是太恰当，有点相似性吧。

【在 h**o 的大作中提到】

: “非正式”组织这个说法不好。还是要正式注册的组织，但是，501(c)(3)的组织会需
: 要较长时间批准，所以可以从其它类型的组织开始。
: 另外，以政治为目的组织，不可能成为501(c)(3)的组织。

it2013-11-11 08:11

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How long have these organization around? Many of them over 20 years probably.
If we want to approach them as a partner, we should be an organization as
well, or at least have a large group of people. Do we have that yet?

are
good
at
animal

【在 o**********e 的大作中提到】

: 我的感觉是：
: 组织有很多。 darwin evolution over 20+ years should tell us which ones are
: specialized for what purpose. Some are good with economical dev, some good
: at lobbying, some good at PR, some are good at education, some are good at
: grassroots getting-out-the-votes in local areas, some are good at raising
: money. It's like a zoo, the animal that found its niche survive, the animal
: that fails to find its niche, goes under. We are seeing some of the
: fitter animals around.
: I don't see anyone who could start from scratch and build a national
: grassroots organization doing all these important things without the help

b*j2013-11-11 08:11

10 楼

i think it's ok to have a new group that consists largely of (but not limite
d to) chinese from mainland. with all the mainland chinese students coming h
ere (200k+ every year), it could potentially become the largest such organiz
ation in the states.
now, it's easy to have an organization, differences within would be very har
d to manage. :(

probably.

【在 it 的大作中提到】

: How long have these organization around? Many of them over 20 years probably.
: If we want to approach them as a partner, we should be an organization as
: well, or at least have a large group of people. Do we have that yet?
:
: are
: good
: at
: animal

o*e2013-11-11 08:11

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I created a signup sheet and please use "boycottDisney" as the accesscode:
http://www.signupgenius.com/index.cfm?go=s.SignupLogin&urlid=10
I want to gather a couple thousand volunteers, mainly each on their own and
start building social network and grassroot information presence, and talk
to the existing organizations and seek cooperation.
I'm not against creating/joining a new organization. Personally I don't
like money and an administrative layer early on (before we've delivered any
real work). Let's see if we could
have people working for passion and on their own money to help each other
and learn from each other. Then someday, we figure out whether we need
money and an administration.
空手套组织，哈哈．．．

it2013-11-11 08:11

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Wanted to take a look at your signup site but it just brought me to the
front page ...
Your idea and mine are similar in the sense that we want to gather "
grassroots". The difference is, though, in your idea, the people would act
on their own ideas; in my idea, they would act on one single idea passed on
by the leader (obviously on a voluntary basis).
My idea is based on what just happened in the 11.9 march. Some proposed the
march and offered to organize, many people followed. We have the potential
for people to act together on ideas that most agree on. The right ideas are
like magnet. Therefore, what we need now is to find a way to easily pass
such ideas to these people, exposing more people to the magnet. (Online
forums help but there are better ways.)
Money does not need to be collected at this point. Admin is required because
contact information needs to be collected and ideas need to be propagated.
However, that is minimum.

and
any

【在 o**********e 的大作中提到】

: I created a signup sheet and please use "boycottDisney" as the accesscode:
: http://www.signupgenius.com/index.cfm?go=s.SignupLogin&urlid=10
: I want to gather a couple thousand volunteers, mainly each on their own and
: start building social network and grassroot information presence, and talk
: to the existing organizations and seek cooperation.
: I'm not against creating/joining a new organization. Personally I don't
: like money and an administrative layer early on (before we've delivered any
: real work). Let's see if we could
: have people working for passion and on their own money to help each other
: and learn from each other. Then someday, we figure out whether we need

o*e2013-11-11 08:11

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Even contacts could be distributed. As long as we make sure contacts are
massively redundant and there are no points of failure, we are like peer-to-
peer networks. Also, I like the apapa organization who seemed to have done
some good work in this protest organization.
So I'm ok with just joining apapa and tell them we are ready to help out.

it2013-11-11 08:11

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> Even contacts could be distributed
What does it mean?
P2P network is scalable, but it much harder to manage. For example, making
sure contacts are massively redundant is not really that simple.
The efficiency is also an issue. To distribute a message, the delay could be
a lot.
In reality, probably what we end up having is some kind of hybrid system, i.
e. centralized + P2P.
I will send messages to a few leaders of the 11.9 march. If no words come
back in a couple days, I guess I will have to try something myself.

to-
done

【在 o**********e 的大作中提到】

: Even contacts could be distributed. As long as we make sure contacts are
: massively redundant and there are no points of failure, we are like peer-to-
: peer networks. Also, I like the apapa organization who seemed to have done
: some good work in this protest organization.
: So I'm ok with just joining apapa and tell them we are ready to help out.

o*e2013-11-11 08:11

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I think the organizers are working on response to ABC's 3rd apology.
Probably good idea to either do your own thing or check out this
organization apapa.org.
Its goal seems to fit our goals reasonably well. I don't have personal
experience with them. So we should check it out and share information.