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S*t2004-08-13 07:08

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"再举一例，假如我申请读PhD的学校，盼星星盼月亮，四月十五日得到莱思（Rice）的Of
fer，喜不自禁，大宴宾客，结果第二天哈佛突然来了Offer，已经接受莱思Offer的我心
情马上一落千丈，因为去莱思的成本凭空陡增。"
****** This is a sunk cost, no long an opportunity cost!***************
"为什么蓝领工资低？因为他的劳动技能在其它工厂或职业挣得更少，他没有更好的选择
。为什么白领工资高？因为他有别的差不不多的机会，此处不留人，自有留人处。"
****** If there's only one word I can say, I would say [it is] "stupid"
*******

观
但
的
何
，
其实quaint已经回答你了。回报高的地方风险也高，如果一个人足够risk-averse
，
样

t*e2004-08-13 07:08

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这当然是机会成本。理论上仍然可以背信弃义，接受哈佛。去哈佛就是执行合同的机会成
本。
for a scientist or a would-be scientist, if you have only one word to
say，don't say it. keeping it in mind would be much wiser.

Of
心
择
客
道
本
任
会
。

【在 S********t 的大作中提到】

: "再举一例，假如我申请读PhD的学校，盼星星盼月亮，四月十五日得到莱思（Rice）的Of
: fer，喜不自禁，大宴宾客，结果第二天哈佛突然来了Offer，已经接受莱思Offer的我心
: 情马上一落千丈，因为去莱思的成本凭空陡增。"
: ****** This is a sunk cost, no long an opportunity cost!***************
: "为什么蓝领工资低？因为他的劳动技能在其它工厂或职业挣得更少，他没有更好的选择
: 。为什么白领工资高？因为他有别的差不不多的机会，此处不留人，自有留人处。"
: ****** If there's only one word I can say, I would say [it is] "stupid"
: *******
:
: 观

S*t2004-08-13 07:08

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I REALLY don't understand your logic: If you can 背信弃义，接受哈佛, why your
心情马上一落千丈 and think 去莱思的成本凭空陡增? You should be very happy and
accept Harvard's offer. You choose Rice instead of Harvard because you think
Rice is a better choice. Then, study in Harvard is no longer an opportunity
cost to you.
The reason I said that word is because from your reasoning I can see how you
regard blue-collar workers as lower-level human beings. On the other hand,
your reasoning on the wage difference between blue-co

【在 t*****e 的大作中提到】

: 这当然是机会成本。理论上仍然可以背信弃义，接受哈佛。去哈佛就是执行合同的机会成
: 本。
: for a scientist or a would-be scientist, if you have only one word to
: say，don't say it. keeping it in mind would be much wiser.
:
: Of
: 心
: 择
: 客
: 道

t*e2004-08-13 07:08

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once you accept an offer, you enter a contract. of coz i should have assumed
the person is highly moral and value the contract. with the late-coming
harvard offer, the cost of enforcing the contract suddenly increases.
wage depends on the labor cost. what i've said is almost textbook explaination
of labor cost. no, i don't see blue-collar workers as lower-level human
beings, but they ARE low-cost workers. it is purely normative opinion that
low-cost
workers are lower-level human beings. i don't

【在 S********t 的大作中提到】

: I REALLY don't understand your logic: If you can 背信弃义，接受哈佛, why your
: 心情马上一落千丈 and think 去莱思的成本凭空陡增? You should be very happy and
: accept Harvard's offer. You choose Rice instead of Harvard because you think
: Rice is a better choice. Then, study in Harvard is no longer an opportunity
: cost to you.
: The reason I said that word is because from your reasoning I can see how you
: regard blue-collar workers as lower-level human beings. On the other hand,
: your reasoning on the wage difference between blue-co

S*t2004-08-13 07:08

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Why do you think blue-collar workers must earn less anywhere else while
white-collar workers can earn more money somewhere else?

explaination
think
opportunity
you
机
fer，喜不自禁，大宴宾客，结果第二天哈佛突然来了Offer，已经接受莱思Offer
cost!***************
好

【在 t*****e 的大作中提到】

: once you accept an offer, you enter a contract. of coz i should have assumed
: the person is highly moral and value the contract. with the late-coming
: harvard offer, the cost of enforcing the contract suddenly increases.
: wage depends on the labor cost. what i've said is almost textbook explaination
: of labor cost. no, i don't see blue-collar workers as lower-level human
: beings, but they ARE low-cost workers. it is purely normative opinion that
: low-cost
: workers are lower-level human beings. i don't

S*t2004-08-13 07:08

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Let me make it clear:
If you accept an offer and don't want to break it and later you receive a
better offer and feel sad. Accepting previous offer is then a sunk cost. the
latter offer is no longer an opportunity cost. Because you don't have an
opportunity to take the latter offer (You will not break the previous offer).
If you accept an offer and don't want to break it. At the time you sign the
offer you know you will receive a better offer later. Later you really receive
a better offer and yo

【在 t*****e 的大作中提到】

s*z2004-08-13 07:08

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1。我觉得我们应该先把“机会”做一个定义。个人认为，在经济学上，“机会”实质是
指“替代”，无论你是否能够把握住，机会是客观存在的，所以去harvard是去rice的机
会成本我认为是成立的。
2。我觉得“沉没成本”和“机会成本”不是于同一个范畴，不是说非彼即此的。“沉没
成本”更多地用于成本计量和价格制定等领域中，而“机会成本”是经济学家用于解释各
种经济现象的（例如，资源总是向价值最大化的方向流动），这也许就是问什么我们根本
不用费神去计算经济学中的“机会成本”。
3，各位都是经济学专业出身的么？我觉得即使“机会成本”在各个行业中的定义也是有
一定偏差的。

offer).
receive
OPPORTUNITY
assumed
happy
hand,
white-collar
的

【在 S********t 的大作中提到】

: Let me make it clear:
: If you accept an offer and don't want to break it and later you receive a
: better offer and feel sad. Accepting previous offer is then a sunk cost. the
: latter offer is no longer an opportunity cost. Because you don't have an
: opportunity to take the latter offer (You will not break the previous offer).
: If you accept an offer and don't want to break it. At the time you sign the
: offer you know you will receive a better offer later. Later you really receive
: a better offer and yo

S*t2004-08-13 07:08

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Quoted from"http://www.economist.com/research/Economics/searchactionterms.cfm"
SUNK COSTS (relevance 100%)
When what is done cannot be undone. Sunk costs are costs that have been
incurred and cannot be reversed, for example, spending on ADVERTISING or
researching a product idea. They can be a barrier to entry. If potential
entrants would have to incur similar costs, which would not be recoverable if
the entry failed, they may be scared off.
OPPORTUNITY COST (relevance 100%)
The true cost of some

【在 s*******z 的大作中提到】

: 1。我觉得我们应该先把“机会”做一个定义。个人认为，在经济学上，“机会”实质是
: 指“替代”，无论你是否能够把握住，机会是客观存在的，所以去harvard是去rice的机
: 会成本我认为是成立的。
: 2。我觉得“沉没成本”和“机会成本”不是于同一个范畴，不是说非彼即此的。“沉没
: 成本”更多地用于成本计量和价格制定等领域中，而“机会成本”是经济学家用于解释各
: 种经济现象的（例如，资源总是向价值最大化的方向流动），这也许就是问什么我们根本
: 不用费神去计算经济学中的“机会成本”。
: 3，各位都是经济学专业出身的么？我觉得即使“机会成本”在各个行业中的定义也是有
: 一定偏差的。
:

T*x2004-08-13 07:08

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这样基本清楚了。
我前面的帖子先引用Travele的话“越是穷人越找不到比存款回报更高的
投资机会，所以存款的成本几乎为零”，然后我引申了一下“富人能找到
比存款回报更高的投资机会，所以存款的成本不为零”。他应该马上反驳
说“富人也找不到比存款回报更高的投资机会，但他们能找到比存款回报
稍差一些的投资机会，这个机会就是他存款的成本”，这才是正确的反应，
而不是继续说什么“高回报也有高风险”之类的。
我还关心另一个问题：机会成本到底怎么计算？
下面对机会成本概念的描述我看了。Travele网站上机会成本的文章我也
看了。都没有解决我的问题。就说下面这里的例子吧：你去法学院的成本
是多少？包含学费，书本费等等，还包含你没选择上班损失的工资，或者
没去当球员损失的xx。那到底你的成本是多少呢？或者这么问吧，你到底
损失了什么？这能被确定地回答吗？我认为不能。应该说我不确定。谁要
知道谁请告诉我。因为对这个问题的回答不容易取得统一的意见。比如
以你自己的视野，你的损失是A,B,C，其中最大的是A，所以你的成本为A。
可是在其他人看来很明显你的损失是A,B,C,D，其中最大的是D，他认为
你的成

【在 S********t 的大作中提到】

: Quoted from"http://www.economist.com/research/Economics/searchactionterms.cfm"
: SUNK COSTS (relevance 100%)
: When what is done cannot be undone. Sunk costs are costs that have been
: incurred and cannot be reversed, for example, spending on ADVERTISING or
: researching a product idea. They can be a barrier to entry. If potential
: entrants would have to incur similar costs, which would not be recoverable if
: the entry failed, they may be scared off.
: OPPORTUNITY COST (relevance 100%)
: The true cost of some

w*g2004-08-13 07:08

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it is not a problem, generally. as long as subjective (dis-)utility is not
consistent with objective one, or not everybody has the same subjective
(dis-)utility, then just use the subjective one in estimating overall value,
or in optimizing alternative options, whatever that subjective utility may
be. why should we require everybody agree on the same value?

【在 T*******x 的大作中提到】

: 这样基本清楚了。
: 我前面的帖子先引用Travele的话“越是穷人越找不到比存款回报更高的
: 投资机会，所以存款的成本几乎为零”，然后我引申了一下“富人能找到
: 比存款回报更高的投资机会，所以存款的成本不为零”。他应该马上反驳
: 说“富人也找不到比存款回报更高的投资机会，但他们能找到比存款回报
: 稍差一些的投资机会，这个机会就是他存款的成本”，这才是正确的反应，
: 而不是继续说什么“高回报也有高风险”之类的。
: 我还关心另一个问题：机会成本到底怎么计算？
: 下面对机会成本概念的描述我看了。Travele网站上机会成本的文章我也
: 看了。都没有解决我的问题。就说下面这里的例子吧：你去法学院的成本

S*t2004-08-13 07:08

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I googled and quoted some definitions as follows from
http://www.amosweb.com/cgi-bin/gls.pl?fcd=dsp&key=economic+cost:
Those are just definitions. I strongly suggest you ask MBA students and read
their accounting textbooks. Most of modern accounting books have chapters
talking about how to calculate the accounting profits as well as economic
profits. Of course, there are always many different theories and methods to
calculate the accouting profits, not to mention the economic profits. You can
al

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