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各位有没有想回到学术道路的？

各位有没有想回到学术道路的？# Environmental - 环境科学与工程

g*p2008-01-29 08:01

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【以下文字转载自 CS 讨论区】
发信人: GrowUp (GrowUp), 信区: CS
标题: 高手请进
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri Sep 5 12:28:41 2008), 转信
想把一些PDF的文件放在服务器上，这样就可以随时随地看。
但是又希望能够对PDF作记号，设置书签什么的，方便将来继续阅读。
不知道有什么方法可以做到这一点，多谢！

b*b2008-01-29 08:01

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刚刚发现还有个教育版，真好。想请教大家点问题，查过精华版了也打电话给本州(我
住在康州CT)的教育局了，还是想请教这里的朋友。
我工程毕业的，毕业后就去中学教了四年的数学。来美国后拿了个数学专业的硕士。考
了两级的精算师证书，可是因为h1b的问题，找工作挺难，又因为我也确实喜欢教书，
所以琢磨着考个教师证。
请问我这样的情况，还用的着再去读个教育学的学位吗? 还是直接考试就可以了，要取
得教师证要考几个考试啊。看了我们州的alternative route to teacher
certification program ,还真的听麻烦。如果无论如何都要考praxis 1 and 2的话，
那我去那个program 有什么意义呢?
真的希望大家给指点一下迷津，特别是在康州的朋友。
thanks a millon.

a*n2008-01-29 08:01

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一直犹豫到底走哪条路比较适合自己。。
面临postdoc和consulting的选择中。。
好像大家都挺喜欢现在的consulting 工作的。。

l*n2008-01-29 08:01

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Are you sure? Actuary makes so much more than a teacher... And maybe same
workload too.
Teaching American kids is very different than teaching Math in China. In
China teachers automatically demand respect. Here a teacher has to earn
respect from the kids the hard way.
But welcome aboard if your heart is really in education...
BTW, you can't just take exams and become a teacher. You have to have
student teaching, and combine that with Praxis II to get a real teaching
license. So I think the alter

m*l2008-01-29 08:01

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象我这样的没什么理想的，哪个钱多我干哪个。
：）
这东西关键看兴趣。我身边那些死读书，乐在其中的朋友最后工作都找得不错，本事在
那里摆着呢，到处都抢着要。

b*b2008-01-29 08:01

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Really? Is it possiable to trade the license that way?
Thank you so much, I will look it over and see what i can find .

a*a2008-01-29 08:01

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If you feel confident on your communication skills, the consulting firm
could be a better option. The core of consulting business is to sell its
service or to persuade clients to buy its design, recommendations and
concepts.

【在 a********n 的大作中提到】

: 一直犹豫到底走哪条路比较适合自己。。
: 面临postdoc和consulting的选择中。。
: 好像大家都挺喜欢现在的consulting 工作的。。

b*b2008-01-29 08:01

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能谈谈具体怎么查吗? 查了半天，没有找到相关的话题，很郁闷。
谢谢。

h*k2008-01-29 08:01

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做faculty也需要很强的交流能力,或者说,交流能力对于做教授更重要吧: 教课,申请
funding (其实就是sell your idea),做presentation,合作研究....

【在 a*****a 的大作中提到】

: If you feel confident on your communication skills, the consulting firm
: could be a better option. The core of consulting business is to sell its
: service or to persuade clients to buy its design, recommendations and
: concepts.

a*a2008-01-29 08:01

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Well, you will find the client officer from consulting firm requires
different type of communication skills from the professors..
Generally speaking, professors sell innovative or creative ideas to NSF or
other association. Client officers are selling the company, their
personalities and trustworthy from clients.

【在 h*****k 的大作中提到】

: 做faculty也需要很强的交流能力,或者说,交流能力对于做教授更重要吧: 教课,申请
: funding (其实就是sell your idea),做presentation,合作研究....

f*02008-01-29 08:01

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"好像大家都挺喜欢现在的consulting 工作的。。"
in academia, once you are tenured, you are pretty much your own boss and you
can do a lot of things of interest to you. the quality of life is a lot
better.
in consulting and the private sector in general, you will be working a lot
harder and likely make a little bit more money but your quality of life isn'
t nearly as good as in the private sector.

a*n2008-01-29 08:01

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I agree with that, coz you got to use your brain anyway. But an engineer may
only need to think about work 8 hrs/day, while a faculty have to think
about that 24/7 most of his/her life. That's the thing I don't like.

you
isn'

【在 f*****0 的大作中提到】

: "好像大家都挺喜欢现在的consulting 工作的。。"
: in academia, once you are tenured, you are pretty much your own boss and you
: can do a lot of things of interest to you. the quality of life is a lot
: better.
: in consulting and the private sector in general, you will be working a lot
: harder and likely make a little bit more money but your quality of life isn'
: t nearly as good as in the private sector.

t*y2008-01-29 08:01

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makes sense

may

【在 a********n 的大作中提到】

: I agree with that, coz you got to use your brain anyway. But an engineer may
: only need to think about work 8 hrs/day, while a faculty have to think
: about that 24/7 most of his/her life. That's the thing I don't like.
:
: you
: isn'

h*k2008-01-29 08:01

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Facutly的生活没那么恐怖.tenured的教授咱不说了,即使是AP,也不至于那么紧张. 俺
算是经历了俺以前博士老板的"成长",周末基本不来学校(系里的另一个AP周末常来),
该旅游就去旅游. 房子买了,孩子生了,最近又被一所Ivy League的学校挖走直接tenure
了.以前俺抱怨教授生活的时候, 他就对俺说, 你看我, 日子过的很轻松呀.

may

【在 a********n 的大作中提到】

f*02008-01-29 08:01

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"以前俺抱怨教授生活的时候, 他就对俺说, 你看我, 日子过的很轻松呀."
if you want high quality and stressless life, school is a great way to go.
if you want money, go into the private sector.

p*h2008-01-29 08:01

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你老板不是一般人，很牛也很会生活
不过中国faculty好像基本没有这样的，大部分人整天愁的不行

tenure

【在 h*****k 的大作中提到】

: Facutly的生活没那么恐怖.tenured的教授咱不说了,即使是AP,也不至于那么紧张. 俺
: 算是经历了俺以前博士老板的"成长",周末基本不来学校(系里的另一个AP周末常来),
: 该旅游就去旅游. 房子买了,孩子生了,最近又被一所Ivy League的学校挖走直接tenure
: 了.以前俺抱怨教授生活的时候, 他就对俺说, 你看我, 日子过的很轻松呀.
:
: may

h*k2008-01-29 08:01

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他不属于绝顶聪明的人(当然了, 能找到faculty的肯定也不是太差的人),也不是什么牛
人(AP也牛不到哪儿去).看看他的日子, 让俺觉得facutly的生活也没那么恐怖. 不过俺
确实也听说过一些过得相当紧张的中国faculty.

【在 p*****h 的大作中提到】

: 你老板不是一般人，很牛也很会生活
: 不过中国faculty好像基本没有这样的，大部分人整天愁的不行
:
: tenure

h*k2008-01-29 08:01

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呵呵,money是永远也挣不完的,所以如果以money为目标的话,太累了.这是俺的想法.

【在 f*****0 的大作中提到】

: "以前俺抱怨教授生活的时候, 他就对俺说, 你看我, 日子过的很轻松呀."
: if you want high quality and stressless life, school is a great way to go.
: if you want money, go into the private sector.

z*o2008-01-29 08:01

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Follow your heart. No job is perfect. In my personal experience,
consulting is boring~~~ The only thing interesting is that the world is real
. Not sure about the academic side.

【在 a********n 的大作中提到】

: 一直犹豫到底走哪条路比较适合自己。。
: 面临postdoc和consulting的选择中。。
: 好像大家都挺喜欢现在的consulting 工作的。。

a*l2008-01-29 08:01

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I like to do consulting, but few firms would like to hire fresh PhD. Can
anyone give some suggestions?

l*u2008-01-29 08:01

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我家领导在严肃考虑回学术界的事情。不过，我们讨论来讨论去的结论是，会学术界跟
呆工业界真是没啥本质区别，除了项目本身的性质。而且，做一个PI，跟创业似的，开
头给些 start up，类似angel fund，还有人给你工资，养着你，也算 angel fund，然
后你就要自己折腾了，考虑的也无外是技术，成本，营销，市场等等。

【在 a********n 的大作中提到】

: 一直犹豫到底走哪条路比较适合自己。。
: 面临postdoc和consulting的选择中。。
: 好像大家都挺喜欢现在的consulting 工作的。。

o*e2008-01-29 08:01

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这个分析的精辟！
“我家领导在严肃考虑回学术界的事情。不过，我们讨论来讨论去的结论是，会学术界跟
呆工业界真是没啥本质区别，除了项目本身的性质。而且，做一个PI，跟创业似的，开
头给些 start up，类似angel fund，还有人给你工资，养着你，也算 angel fund，然
后你就要自己折腾了，考虑的也无外是技术，成本，营销，市场等等。”

e*n2008-01-29 08:01

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I am not sure what kind of environmental consulting work you guys are
talking about. And I don't know others' experience, but to me, selling
services to clients are mostly the responsibility of client service managers
(CSM), project managers, and more senior technical people. I haven't seen
fresh graduates (even americans) work as CSM or PM. Effective communication
(I believe most people here can do) would be enough for technical people for
daily basis work.
Excellent communication skills are g

【在 a*****a 的大作中提到】

l*u2008-01-29 08:01

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problem is, few of us can predict how things will look like in even 6
months. at least, i cannot see further than 2 months.

your
industry,

e*n2008-01-29 08:01

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这个说起来可能有些玄虚，不过我的朋友中间，铁了心做faculty和进industry混的的
都如愿了。
I think it is a long-hual decision, should not impacted in a 2-month ups and
downs.

【在 l********u 的大作中提到】

: problem is, few of us can predict how things will look like in even 6
: months. at least, i cannot see further than 2 months.
:
: your
: industry,